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Its competitively-priced, high-end phones have brought success

It seems like the mighty have fallen in the Chinese smartphone market as Xiaomi surpassed both Samsung and Lenovo in shipments for the first time.
 
According to The Wall Street Journal, Xiaomi was No. 1 in Chinese smartphone shipments for the second quarter with 14 percent market share, representing the first time it had passed up big players like Samsung
 
Samsung, Lenovo and Yulong each tied for second place with 12 percent market share in Q2 2014. 
 
Chinese smartphone maker Xiaomi has certainly come a long way, as its first quarter market share stood at 10.7 percent (compared to Samsung's 18.3 percent and Lenovo's 11 percent) and had only 5 percent a year ago. 
 
Many attribute Xiaomi's success to its aggressive price points and high quality smartphones. Xiaomi’s devices -- including the Mi flagship series products and the Redmi series products -- are priced much more aggressively than Samsung’s high-end Galaxy smartphones, which usually cost more than $500 USD. 


Even with lower prices, Xiaomi smartphones still feature high-end chipsets, displays and cameras.
 
Samsung's fall to second place in the Chinese smartphone market isn't all too surprising. Last month, it was reported that Samsung's shipments for Q2 2014 actually declined year-over-year (YoY) from 77.3 million units to 74.3 million units despite the release of the Galaxy S5.
 
In addition, Samsung’s share of the global smartphone market fell from 32.3 percent in Q2 2013 to 25.2 percent in Q2 2014.
 
As far as Q2 earnings, Samsung made $6.07 billion USD in net profit on total revenue of $50.86 billion USD. Operating profit came in at $6.98 billion USD, which represented a 15 percent decrease from Q1 2014. 
 
This represents a 25 percent decrease from the same period last year ($9.27 billion USD). 

Source: The Wall Street Journal



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Not so good for Samsung in India either
By tonyswash on 8/5/2014 2:32:18 PM , Rating: 1
Indian budget smartphone maker Micromax has ousted Samsung Electronics Co Ltd as the leading brand in all types of mobile phones in the April-June quarter, grabbing a 16.6 percent market share.

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKBN0G50C7...




RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 2:46:21 PM , Rating: 2
They still sell more than anyone else by a huge margin.

It's easy to see why things are shifting... Samsung is kind of stagnating IMO. In a world where other phone makers are pushing boundaries and coming up with great features and products, Samsung is in "same ol same ol" mode. I like hte Galaxy Alpha, at least it's something different.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 3:18:19 PM , Rating: 1
kind of continuing on what we started in the other article.

Samsung is most likely a parts supplier to a lot of them and if not Samsung is a powerhouse to manufacturing much in the way that Intel is in the fabrication world giving them an advantage of supplying themselves with parts at no markup. These one offs most likely have to pay a markup because they aren't manufacturers of the internal contents limiting their pricing and revenue options.

Samsung should be able to sell devices at the same if not lower than their competition making them the better deal but just not able to make the kind of profit margins they did before. This is what makes Apple's profit lines so valuable owning the hardware to their eco system however I think Apple runs out of tricks after the larger format arrives. iPhone 6 will be the last trick up their sleeve. After that we should see a low cost iPhone its the only trick not played by Apple but they just aren't like that. iPhone 7 will be the decline of Apple unless it includes a low cost option.

I think this is why Samsung wants its own OS like Tizen. People are loyal to an OS eco system. Much like Im loyal to Windows Phone and Apple fans loyal to Apple and Droid users to Android. The larger screens and functionality Apple didn't have at the time Android did is why so many jumped to Android but new hardware features are becoming moot making the OS the only difference in the near future. If Samsung can carve out a niche with Tizen they can charge a possible premium for it or make money on the eco system not just the device.

While its neat to see I think if you cant mass produce your own internal parts and are relying on parts from external sources like those you compete against your domination will be short lived or only kept on life support to keep from being seen as a monopoly. This is much the way AMD has trouble competing with Intel because Intel is a silicon manufacturing powerhouse ahead of any manufacturing facility AMD can leverage for any real world advantage.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 3:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't you know?

Samsung has delayed the launch of their Tizen phone "indefinitely".

Tizen is dead on arrival. You can give up any hopes of Samsung divorcing Google, it's not going to happen.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 3:59:54 PM , Rating: 3
I think Samsung would be stupid to not go forward with Tizen. Even if it fails they are close to the finish line you finish the race. In reality they only need the top 50 apps to make most people happy with the eco system. Im not even sure most apps are necessary as a well developed mobile website could replace most of these apps that are basically portals to a companies website. NewEgg app and Banking apps offer little to no functionality that can be found in going to a mobile version of their website.

With all this fear mongering esp from China surrounding US based companies OS's like Microsoft, Apple and most likely Google soon and their so called close ties to US government spying there is a market for Tizen even on a government level for an Asian based OS alternative.

Hardware is becoming a moot point and making a profit in this sector is going to be harder going forward. There is money to be made in the selling of apps but you have to own the eco system to do that.

Android has its place and will be around a long time I think its biggest issue is Google isn't good at playing the patent game and thus Android/Droid will have a difficult time overcoming patent infringement payments long term. They need to learn to play the game not just complain about it. I don't think you will find anyone who will disagree the patent system is broken but its not going away anytime soon so they need to learn to work with it and not against it or fight to change it.

If Android is going to survive long term they need to assemble a large group of companies and force the patent systems into changing. Thats the real battle. China most likely will turn a blind eye or change patents its probably why Samsung is challenging Microsoft but all the players and stiffled innovators need to get on board before anything will change. I dont think changing the US system will happen as much as changing it somewhere like China.

If you cant fix the patent system you cant fix innovation and you've lose before you begun you just don't realize it yet. I hope you realize what I mean when I say Microsoft has already won even when Android appears to be winning. You can hate Microsoft for it but you should realize its not them. Microsoft knows how to play the game. Google doesn't. They only way to win is to not play or fix the system. Otherwise all your base belong to Microsoft.

To give an example I used to have SunRocket for phone service and they were phenomenal everything worked perfectly even DirectTV and Faxing over VOIP never a problem but they lost because of Patents.

Sorry I got way off base but learn how to win and fight the right battles.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:15:08 PM , Rating: 1
I think you're vastly overstating the patent problem with Android. And, of course, you found a way to work a Microsoft domination scenario into a seemingly well-founded post.

Years into Apple's holy-war against Android/Samsung, they haven't collected a nickle.

Samsung is straight-up refusing to play Microsoft's extortion scheme any longer for obvious and trivial software patents. We'll see how this turns up, but I wouldn't be surprised if that game plays out the same as it did with Apple.

Yes the software patent system sucks, but even it's not broken enough to allow products that literally tens of millions of people use on a daily basis to just disappear. You are smoking industrial-grade crack if you actually see that happening.

The lobbying power alone of Samsung and Google will ensure it never happens.

As far as Tizen goes...well you seem to have a lot more need for it than Samsung does. As of now, it's completely dead.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 6:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
I believe your looking way into the fan aspect of it all and need to look at it from the business perspective and you take it all too personally (Holy War, Extorsion, etc)

These are 3 business models here for making Billions.

Google is successful and making billions from nickles and dollars (Webclicks and App Store)

Apple is very successful at making Billions from Dollars and Benjamins (App store and high priced ticket items like iPhones and MacBooks)

Microsoft is very successful at making Billions from Businesses and Consumers. (Server OS, Client OS, Apps, and Tools)

Samsung is a big player and can play with the big boys so why not take a shot at an OS of its own? Samsung has a cool factor to it why not ride that into the OS arena? If they can carve our a niche they can make money on devices and apps. If anything Google proved you can make billions from Pennies and Nickles if you can carve up something of your own.


By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 8:18:01 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Samsung is a big player and can play with the big boys so why not take a shot at an OS of its own?


Because it's too late.

Hello look at Microsoft? After years of pouring billions into a mobile platform, they're LOSING market share. And the only profits they've ever made have come from cross-licensing agreements with Android OEM's. Not their own phones/tablets.

Android and iOS are reaching critical-mass. This is the absolute WORST time to be trying to make a competing OS. It's just too late, there's not enough unclaimed land left to do it in.

The only one to even halfway be successful at it is Amazon. And all they did was fork Android, it's not even their own OS.

quote:
If they can carve our a niche they can make money on devices and apps.


You mean like Microsoft is doing? Ooops, never mind. We've already established that's failing.

Samsung saved themselves a LOT of embarrassment and lost profits by shelving the Tizen project. There's zero developer and consumer interest in it. It would have been the biggest flop EVER. I know you Microsoft guys were eagerly proclaiming Tizen was the beginning of the end of Google, but reality check time.

quote:
I believe your looking way into the fan aspect of it all


Coming from the guy who just said "All your base are belong to Microsoft"....this is rich.


By mondo1234 on 8/6/2014 9:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung will fork Android just like Xiaomi did. They dont have to reinvent the wheel, they can heavily customize it and it is compatible with an existing app base.

There are estimates floating around that 20% of android is or will be forked in the near future.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 4:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
"Even if it fails they are close to the finish line you finish the race. In reality they only need the top 50 apps to make most people happy with the eco system."

They only need the top 50 apps? IT's that kind of thinking that is limiting WP's growth... The latest #'s are out and WP actually shrank by over a full percent.

Why do you think that is? Inferior OS? No, WP is quite good. You have to have the apps today...


By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 4:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 5:55:32 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is people associate number of apps as if there were that many categories of needed applications. There isn't a category I don't have a good app for on a Windows Phone. Having an additional million apps will only cloud the ability to finding the good ones worth using.

For Instance do I need 5000 versions of a spreadsheet application or just one good one? Even if its just the top 3 spreadsheets that's plenty the category is solid. Outside of Office and Open office is there a need for even looking further?

IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, Fandango, and Flickster and your movie/showtimes/ratings need is covered. These are items too that could be replace with a good mobile web experience.

How many facebook apps do we need? Having 5000 is nice but it just clouds the good from bad.

If you take the top apps in each category you only wind up with about 50-100 items. Games would be the exception. Ive narrowed my apps down to about 12 needed and most phones today ship with the most common ones like Maps/Navigation.

I really think the number of apps is overblown just a couple dozen of the highest quality is all that's needed.

Windows Phone just gets a bad rap because its Microsoft. Microsoft has cool factor issues its never the fun or cool kid on the block but I got to say they got it right and continue to improve it. It works for me and my wife.

My kids are getting iPhones because that's the age they are at and its what kids their age get. For them its identity for us its the camera and capturing the event.

Between the 3 major players I dont think you can go wrong unless you got a blackberry then you got it wrong.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By sprockkets on 8/5/2014 6:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
No Spotify, though mix radio is great. No candy crush but I don't need it; my wife does though. No banking app means no check scanning. No flac or vorbis media player that works with an SD card, though maybe vlc can fill that gap someday.

At least there are alternatives. I think what is very annoying though is all the built in Nokia apps have updates that require location access or else.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 6:20:11 PM , Rating: 2
For me and this is me to each their own.

No candy crush = you actually use the pooper for pooping. :)

MP3 works for me I have no intention of ever doing FLAC or VORBIS or even Microsoft WMA. MP3 its everywhere and plenty good enough. Most peoples headphones would probably negate the positives of lossless anyhow. Sandisk Sansa for me was just pricing a Sport Clip I love me some drag and drop and cheap earbuds.

Call me oldschool but Direct Deposit have no use for banking app besides if I need cash I have to go to the bank anyway so might as well deposit in the ATM.

Im no drug lord and well Maps needs to know where I am so I can get to where I'm going and I'm fine with Movie apps knowing where I'm at so I can find local movie times. Ill use the excuse there are no free rides for using various apps. I worry about all the serial killers who are having a hard time with their smartphone tracking their movements. Just not paranoid about my current location.


By sprockkets on 8/5/2014 7:01:49 PM , Rating: 3
I'm self employed. Direct deposit for me means scanning checks.


By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 6:42:48 PM , Rating: 2
That is sort of the thing... I agree, you dont need 1000 of any type of app, just one good one, but alot of good apps don't exist at all on WP. Strangely enough WP's marketshare is shrinking, not growing, so it's not looking like the bulk of devs are going to be jumping on board.

I couldn't post the link, but hte Q2 #'s are in and WP fell from 3.8 to 2.7% market share. Not a good sign. Android climbed from 80.2% to 84.6% in that same period.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Sonicmerlin on 8/6/2014 3:44:31 AM , Rating: 1
WP lost market share because of its abominable UI.


By ritualm on 8/6/2014 4:15:11 PM , Rating: 2
The WP UI is awesome, what the hell are you talking about? It has never lost market share - instead, it entered the market way after both iOS and Android established their footholds.

No, sir, you are wrong.


By melgross on 8/5/2014 8:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
The top 50 apps? What is it with some people? You know that there are about 1.5 billion people around the world with smartphones? You think the top 50 apps will satisfy them?

I go to London at least two times a year, and I have several apps for that. Are they on your top 50 list, because if they aren't, they better be! There are hundreds of apps that hundreds of millions use every day, maybe thousands. Choice is always better.

This is a major reason why Palm failed, and why Nokia failed, and why Win Mobile failed, and why RIM/Blackberry is failing, and why Win Phone is doing so poorly, losing major marketshare the last 6 months.

One major thing in common was small, and not very effective app stores.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By sprockkets on 8/5/2014 3:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
Making an ecosystem is difficult. Samsung can't even make a compelling store that runs on Android.

Microsoft should have focused on making great software. Their efforts on WP and the consumer space are pathetic. After using the new 8.1 ms has ways to go before their competition should worry.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Mitch101 on 8/5/2014 6:29:24 PM , Rating: 2
Window Phone is really good its just not cool. Its the only product I think Microsoft got right the first time. Cortana is cool so I take that back. To this day of 4 years Ive only had Windows Phone hang once and once the good application didn't work but everything else did and I had to reboot to make Good work which I personally hate good its too limited.

Lets not go down that road you don't like it that's fine to each their own. Im not going to bother posting why you should like it that would be useless banter.

Samsung should try. Whats the point of being billion dollar company unless you take some risk. Well unless your HP then you should not take any risk because they would find a way to screw up.


By ven1ger on 8/5/2014 8:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
This is not MS's first phone in the arena. They didn't get it right the first time, it took many years of stumbling before they got it correct where they have a phone that can compete but it may be a bit late out of the gate but time will tell.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By melgross on 8/5/2014 9:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
It may be cool, but we've seen that something that's that different also has to be much better, not equal, not a little better.

Remember that Win Phone took its UI from the Zune HD. That wasn't exactly a hit. Microsoft should have learned a lesson from that, but they didn't.


By nikon133 on 8/6/2014 6:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
I think that WP with GUI based on iOS/Android would do even worst. There would be no differentiation, just smaller user and apps base.

The reason why I have chosen WP over Android, after 4 years of iOS, was that I wanted something different, yet functional in that difference - not just different for the sake of it. So far, I haven't regretted; I love tiles on phone. I love information they offer right away, without hurting order and geometry. And I really like effort MS is putting behind - updates are frequent and spot on. Cortana is great fun to use, folders in Update 1 are the best folders solution so far, IMHO. Yes, they are late, but they are done right. And my 2 years old phone is as smooth with WP8.1 Update 1 as it ever was.

Yes, MS took some time to release competition-worthy WP8, but since then they are putting great effort and they haven't made wrong move so far, everything about WP8 development was spot on. I'm not brand loyalist, my world will not end if WP does not survive - I will look back at iPhone or give Android a chance - but I do believe that what they are doing deserves support, so I'll be offering it.

Even if freakin' IMDB app wasn't updated for a year now :)


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By melgross on 8/5/2014 8:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
You're making predictions that everyone has made that has been shown to be wrong. You have to remember that Apple's phone sales are still crowing. Last quarter it was by 13%. Samsung's high end phone sales have been shrinking. Perhaps their phablets are their last gimmick.

While Apple's overall worldwide marketshare has fallen, they don''t compete in the lower cost phone lines. But even with those "tiny" screens anti Apple commentators refer to them as, Apple has been handily selling more of those high end phones than all other handset manufacturers together have been selling with their high end lines.. That's an accomplishment. The new bigger phones will just add to that lead in high end, and profitable sales.

What can Samsung do to counter that?

It's understandable that Samsung wants its own phone OS, but Tizen is a failure so far. Every time they've announced a launch, beginning almost two years ago, they pull it back because of lack of developers, and interest overall. It just happened in Russia. What was that, the third time, or the forth?


By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 2:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung doesn't just make phones. They're still a multibillion dollar company without ANY phone sales.

Samsung brought in $51 billion last quarter, and that was a DOWN quarter! Hello? You people talk as if they're about to go bankrupt.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 3:18:49 PM , Rating: 1
Uhhh I don't think that's what is happening here at all.

So a Chinese smartphone maker takes the lead in China, and an Indian smartphone maker took the lead in India...

Can we say "protectionism"? Especially China who seems to have taken an extremely hostile stance toward non-Chinese tech firms.

Samsung might be "stagnating", but I don't own a phone made by Xiaomi, I know you don't, and I don't know ANYONE who does. I wonder why...


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 3:34:34 PM , Rating: 2
No, but I was also referring to the other major OEM's rising while Samsung isnt. Samsung got really conservative and left the door open for other vendors to start catching up. That is what we are seeing.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 3:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's what you WANT to be "seeing". I don't claim to know what's in the hearts and minds of the average Chinese consumer.

They're probably just getting beat on price, nothing deeper than that. No surprise there, as China is infamous for knock-off one-off brands and copycats sold on the cheap.

Samsung only "lost" to Xiaome by ~two million units, meanwhile Xiamoe's sales outside of China barely topped 100k units. Let's not make a bigger deal of this than it actually is.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 4:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
"I think that's what you WANT to be "seeing". I don't claim to know what's in the hearts and minds of the average Chinese consumer."

I am not talking about Xiaomi or China, I am talking about all other global OEM's. Samsung got really conservative and their one huge lead is not as big - they left the door open for others to climb in. That is all, not a huge deal, not something to ruffle your Sammy feathers about.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:18:17 PM , Rating: 1
Did Samsung get conservative or did everyone else finally catch up?

I feel it's the latter.

And weren't you the one telling me that their new Octa SoC blew away the Snapdragon 801? How many phone OEM's are doing that, making chips that compete with Qualcoms?

I guess that's being conservative lol...


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 4:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
The Exynos 5433 looks like a good chip, but it's just ARM's design. It's not like a new invention... The previous 5410 and 5420 had issues, the 5433 is just the finally there A15 design.

Anyhow, that is SOC, not overall smartphones. Yes, they got conservative.

Look at it this way... You and I are both Android users and have had Samsung Android phones in the recent past. After my S3, I got a G2, then a G3. I think
I recall you had and S2... What did you get after your S2? What do you have now today?


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:35:24 PM , Rating: 1
When I think "conservative", I think Apple. Take no risks, do nothing new, just iterative designs of the same thing.

Same thing with Nokia, they've yet to release a phone to this date that's had any "wow factor" at all.

I honestly don't see Samsung as doing that. I don't know how you see them as being "conservative". I don't even know what that means, and you've given ZERO suggestions for what they should have done.

Aside from the QHD screen, which I totally give them props for being first with, all LG did was take a Samsung smartphone and put the buttons on the back. They even went with removable batteries and an SD slot, a staple of Samsung phones. And it's working for them, finally other Android OEM's are getting a clue and giving us the features we want!

Everyone else just stepped their game up, Samsung is every bit the market leader they ever were. Even Anandtech, those Apple homers, called the Galaxy S5 "nearly perfect". That doesn't sound conservative to me.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 4:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
"When I think "conservative", I think Apple. Take no risks, do nothing new, just iterative designs of the same thing. Same thing with Nokia, they've yet to release a phone to this date that's had any "wow factor" at all."

Yeah... Apple, Nokia, and Samsung all got conservative. Nothing new, just re-iterations. The Alpha is at least different, I give them credit for that. I almost wish it was 5.5 or bigger so I could get one.

"Aside from the QHD screen, which I totally give them props for being first with, all LG did was take a Samsung smartphone and put the buttons on the back."

That isn't really all they did. They did that, plus knock on (I cant stress how highly awesome it is in real world usage), put in the GRAM caching to help battery life, stacked battery (and the G2 was the best battery life of all 2013 phones) uber small bezels, and put in a removable backplate with better build quality, proving it CAN be done... Nothing singularly amazing, but all totaled it's alot. It makes some great phones (the G2 and G3) Something that Sammy doesnt make anymore IMO.

"Even Anandtech, those Apple homers, called the Galaxy S5 "nearly perfect". That doesn't sound conservative to me."

Yeah, I no longer understand AT when evaluating smartphones. Then the iPhone 5 came out, 14 articles day one. When others come out, 1 article if any. Them calling the S5 perfect is meaningless to me. I do like that it's waterproof and the screen color cal is great. Those are certainly pluses.

Anyhow in the post above, what I was getting at is that even you, the most die hard Samsung fan I have ever seen or heard of... You had an S2, and I am pretty sure you don't have a Samsung phone after that did you? You bought something else, correct?"


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By tonyswash on 8/5/2014 7:08:18 PM , Rating: 1
Isn't the problem for OEMs like Samsung, that are members of the Open Handset Alliance, that their ability to differentiate their offerings through significant service stack and ecosystem innovation is heavily constrained and so innovation is narrowed to just the hardware. Once that happens, and the hardware gets powerful enough and cheap enough as it always does, the point is quickly reached where the lowest price combined with the best sales distribution system is what wins.

The inevitable result if that either those OEMs that can live on the thinnest margins or those that can break with the one size fits all Google service stack and ecosystem are the ones that sell more.

Currently the only large market where selling Android devices outside the Open Handset Alliance, and hence minus the Google service stack, is viable is China and the OEMs that can do that are mostly Chinese ones. Samsung would find it hard playing that game because the moment it starts selling Android devices with no Google services (once it were to fork Android) it will risk breaking with Google services across all it's markets (for Google you are either in or out, it's all or nothing).

So Samsung finds it hard to compete in emerging markets where other OEMs can differentiate their products by stepping outside the Google service package and that means Samsung is overly dependent on markets dominated by essentially generic Google service stacks and which are as a result the scene of a race to the bottom in terms of price and margins.

Clearly Samsung are still has a massive presence in the global device markets but charting it's future strategy, one that can maintain sales and even grow them, whilst also maintaining margins, is pretty tricky. It will be interesting to see if Samsung can pull it off.


By tonyswash on 8/5/2014 7:52:56 PM , Rating: 1
By tonyswash on 8/5/2014 8:01:47 PM , Rating: 1
Xiaomi is outdoing Samsung in almost everything :)

A slide from the Xiaomi Mi4 launch event

https://twitter.com/sascha_p/statuses/491499901390...

I think the IP issues are sorted though - the sweat shirt is a different shade of black.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 11:08:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
the most die hard Samsung fan I have ever seen or heard of...


Okay to hell with this, if I wanted to be spoken to like that I would strike up a convo with Mitch or Ritualim, not someone who I respect.

Without Samsung you wouldn't even have your LG G3, you would have an iPhone or a Blackberry. So would everyone else. Samsung paved the way for all Android OEM's when nobody else showed it was possible. Samsung made the components that allow other OEM's to even make phones in the first place.

Do I respect Samsung? Yeah. Do I happen to disagree with your constant claims that everything they make it garbage? Yeah. Do I defend them against brain dead Appletards and WinPhone fanbois? Yeah.

I guess that makes me a "die hard" fan lol. Whatever.

quote:
Them calling the S5 perfect is meaningless to me.


Translation: Ignore all that conflicts with my world view.

You own an LG, so of course they make the best phones. Nope, that's not a case of confirmation bias at all.


By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 11:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
Take a pill man, my comment was derived from you getting all bent any time anyone says anything negative about them. This thread is just another example of that. If you can't at least own up to that, then there is nothing else to to discuss on the matter. As for the rest of your post if you reread what I said it wasn't that I don't respect them for what they have accomplished or that they haven't accomplished a lot, clearly they have.. . What I am saying is they have been taking their foot off the pedal lately.

and again I ask after your s2 what phone did you get? How about now what is your latest phone? I think not Samsung is that correct? Why?


By ritualm on 8/6/2014 4:33:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Okay to hell with this, if I wanted to be spoken to like that...

So all the arguments have to go one way only - from you to everyone else - and not the other way around, eh?

What retro said was true; you really are "the most die hard Samsung fan I have ever seen or heard of". And you take that snippet as a personal attack.

Grow some balls and have thicker skin, kiddo.
quote:
Without Samsung you wouldn't even have your LG G3

That should have clued you into who really are the biggest competitive threats to Samsung.

It's not Apple - it never is.

Nokia? Sony? HTC? None of the above.

It's the other Korean phonemakers - LG and Pantech, amongst others within that peninsula - that pose the gravest threats to Samsung's market share. These guys constantly try to outdo each other - whether the target market is white goods or large TV sets.

Similarly, LG isn't really concerned about Apple, either. They have a lot more to worry from Samsung than they would from Cupertino, CA.
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Samsung made the components that allow other OEM's to even make phones in the first place.

So you're in effect saying Samsung - not LG Chemical - makes the batteries in the LG G2/3? Huuuuuuuge stretch of logic, kiddo.
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Do I respect Samsung? Yeah. Do I happen to disagree with your constant claims that everything they make it garbage? Yeah. Do I defend them against brain dead Appletards and WinPhone fanbois? Yeah.

In summation:
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Do I take everything that's said against Google / Android / Samsung as a personal attack against me? Yeah.

Too easy, testerguy3.


By KoolAidMan1 on 8/6/2014 6:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
By ritualm on 8/6/2014 4:51:12 PM , Rating: 2
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Did Samsung get conservative or did everyone else finally catch up?

I feel it's the latter.

Yep, you didn't get the memo at all.

The entire point of being an innovator is the willingness to take risks - uncertainties that noone else wants to deal with. Big example being its upsized Note line when most of the market thought it's just going to flop.

Then it stopped taking risks and started playing it safe with the cash cows it created. Not everyone knows why the company did that. All we know is Samsung stopped taking risks - e.g. get conservative - allowing others like LG, one of its biggest primary competitors, to innovate in its place.

That is why Samsung's profits in its mobile division is on a downward trend. Its competitors didn't catch up, that's a symptom of the real problem at hand: Samsung not innovating and taking risks.

Everything you said is wrong.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Vertigo2000 on 8/5/2014 4:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to come at this from a different perspective... devil's advocate.

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In a world where other phone makers are pushing boundaries and coming up with great features and products, Samsung is in "same ol same ol" mode.

I find it interesting someone would say this because Blackberry came out with the square Passport phone (which may not be a great feature, but it certainly pushes boundaries) and people $hit all over it. Saying the ecosystem is dead. Then this guys says...

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In reality they only need the top 50 apps to make most people happy with the eco system.

Which Blackberry has, so WTF? Why can't BB have more than 1% market share?

These 2 quotes, apparently, are the reasons Blackberry continues on continuing on. Hope. Maybe people don't want new features or for their phone to push boundaries.

For the record, I have a Windows Phone and couldn't care less if BB goes under.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 5:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
"I find it interesting someone would say this because Blackberry came out with the square Passport phone (which may not be a great feature, but it certainly pushes boundaries)"

You have to do something that people want... Being merely different isn't enough. Someone could so a round screen smartphone that is 7 inches circular, but it wont sell much.

"In reality they only need the top 50 apps to make most people happy with the eco system."

Dont ask me, that was just a nutty comment.

BB stagnated many many years too long after the iPhone came out and when they did finally make the choice to act, they acted WAY too slow, and that alone is why they are about done for.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By Vertigo2000 on 8/5/2014 5:45:32 PM , Rating: 2
Are you implying that people don't want larger screens or that they don't want square screens. In the smart phone market, I think most companies find it very difficult to KNOW what people want.

We've got Amazon producing a phone with 4 front facing cameras, BB with a large square screen, biometrically enabled phones, phones with super hi-res cameras, phones capable of being controlled with gestures, phones with styluses (styli?) and curved phones. Anything to separate themselves from the competition in hopes of selling more phones.

And in the end, what do most people do with them? Make calls, take pictures, play games and text. (Disclaimer: Your Usage May Vary)


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By retrospooty on 8/5/2014 6:11:22 PM , Rating: 2
"Are you implying that people don't want larger screens or that they don't want square screens."

Hey, if you like it, by all means, go buy it... I am just saying I dont think people want a big wide device like, with a built in keyboard (partly)... But mostly they just don't want Blackberry OS.


By ritualm on 8/6/2014 4:38:43 PM , Rating: 1
RIM/Blackberry's hardware keyboards were good enough to die for. All the other non-enterprise-facing bits... meh.


RE: Not so good for Samsung in India either
By drycrust3 on 8/5/2014 4:38:07 PM , Rating: 2
The point that Micromax and Xiaomi make is that all those expensive patent litigations and exorbitant licencing regimes in America haven't killed Android, all they did was make selling a smartphone in America more expensive than what it is worth. Why should a manufacturer even bother trying to sell in America? The appearance is doing so only increases the price of their product in the market where they are strongest.


By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
Because in America, the carrier model rules. And in that model, the consumer isn't going to notice that 10 or 20 dollar increase due to patent licencing spread out over two years.

China is a big market, sure. But the real profit is in the American market. Just ask Apple.


Profits?
By melgross on 8/5/2014 8:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
What I've read elsewhere is that they are selling handsets at break even prices. This is typical of Chinese companies. The big government banks lend money with no intent to get paid back. This provides cheap capital. The Japanese government used to do that as well.

But Samsung is also losing major marketshare in India. Their phone empire is beginning to crumble. The question is whether they can do something about it or not.

While on the high end, Apple outsells them by almost three to one, which is why we see those frantic Samsung Ads targeting Apple so viciously. Samsung makes most of their profits from handset sales, and most of the profits in handsets come from high end models. Those sales are down as well.

Samsung has missed their targets in sales and profits for three quarters now.




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