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Microsoft wants users to finally leave Windows 7

Microsoft is hoping it can win the faith of desktop users once again with its next Windows operating system, Threshold.
 
According to a new report from ZDNet, Microsoft's Windows Threshold will cater to all kinds of devices. In other words, it won't make the same mistake again as it did with Windows 8, where desktop users were forced to work with Live Tiles and a lack of a Start button -- features seen as more mobile-friendly. 
 
Instead, Threshold will look and act differently depending on the device. For instance, users running Threshold on a desktop/laptop will get a version that boots to the Windows Desktop and makes those features top priorities. It's expected to have the Mini-Start menu, which is a new version of the traditional Microsoft Start menu (it's completely customizable as well). 
 
For two-in-one devices, Threshold will switch between the Metro-Style mode and the Windows Desktop mode based on whether or not keyboards are connected.
 

The phone/tablet version of Threshold won't have a Desktop environment, but rather the "Threshold Mobile" version for ARM-based Windows Phones, ARM-based Windows tablets and Intel-Atom-based tablets.
 
Microsoft hopes that desktop users holding onto Windows 7 will want to make the switch to Windows Threshold. Many have held off on leaving Windows 7 because Windows 8 and 8.1 have changed the UI completely, putting the Metro-style theme front-and-center. This was hard for many users to swallow, since Metro seemed more fitting for mobile users. 
 
Back in February, Jacob Miller -- a UI designer who helped designed Windows 8's "Metro UI" -- said that Metro is the antithesis of a power user
 
Threshold is scheduled for a Spring 2015 release, with a public preview slated for later this year. 
 
Until then, Windows 8.1 Update 2 is expected in the coming months. It's not expected to offer any huge updates other than some UI adjustments. 

Source: ZDNet



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That stinks the ARM version has no desktop
By Wolfpup on 7/1/2014 2:22:33 PM , Rating: 3
One of the really cool things about Windows RT 8.1 is that it DOES have a desktop...in fact it's surprisingly VERY useable even as a tablet, but obviously that means it can replace even a desktop for many things. VERY disappointed that they're removing it for the next Windows...I'd much sooner read that RT was gaining x86 emulation ability and/or becoming a full version of Windows. Or that Windows Phone was becoming a full version of RT...this seems backwards.

As for the rest, doesn't sound like a big deal, but people who freaked out that the start menu is full screen might finally figure out that 8 is good LOL




By karimtemple on 7/2/2014 8:23:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
VERY disappointed that they're removing it for the next Windows
It does seem strange that they would completely remove an entire UI on whatever 'version,' especially considering how serious they've been about pushing convertibles. In fact, I'm sure that isn't what they meant to say.
quote:
I'd much sooner read that RT was gaining x86 emulation ability and/or becoming a full version of Windows.
There's already a full version of Windows with win32 runtime lmao, it's called Windows 8. RT was supposed to help them get rid of win32, or at least reduce the use of it.


By Flunk on 7/2/2014 12:57:38 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, this article does say that phones will be getting Windows Threshold. It basically sounds like they're going to deploy the same OS to everything but have 2 different interfaces, with convertibles switching between the two.

1 OS, 3 different interfaces based on device class. That's interesting.


Windows 9.8SE
By villageidiotintern on 7/1/2014 9:55:09 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Microsoft hopes that desktop users holding onto Windows 7 will want to make the switch to Windows Threshold.

I am not going anywhere until 2020.




RE: Windows 9.8SE
By BaronMatrix on 7/3/2014 4:36:54 PM , Rating: 2
No AERO, No DEAL... I have a 6970 and no battery.. I want ADVANCED DESKTOP GRAPHICS...

Hell, at this point the desktop should be TRULY 3D...

I mean with depth so you can really hide things... All they would need to do a attach CTRL so you move INTO the desktop and ALT so you can move out...

Wake up MS... GPUs have TERAFLOPS...


And just like that - My win9 hopes are dashed
By TheJian on 7/2/2014 1:19:34 AM , Rating: 2
I'll be on win7 to 2020 also...LOL. Any OS aimed at both will probably suffer. I do not ever intend on touching my squeaky clean monitor EVER. So no point in putting that crap or anything related to it in my OS for desktops. What is so wrong about having two platforms? As long as they integrate well together, who cares? They just have to play nice together, not be THE SAME. MS please get the message, you're killing progress by trying to force one size fits all. Win8 should have taught this, but you learned nothing it seems.

I can't wait for Google/Valve to team up on a multi-OS full PC like ARM box (linux, steamos, and android? 500w psu, 16-32GB, SSD/HD, discrete NV, Denver soc amped up or M1 20nm etc etc) that does some games and apps well enough for me to maybe just forgo the next MS box I'd plan to build. Though my IT job may force me to stay longer than I'd like. I fully expect steamos to be ported to ARM either by NV or valve or both at some point. They could sell a completely NON-WINTEL box then that games pretty well (all android/steam/linux games) and function for most browsing/email/etc uses for casual pc users.

Having said that, it appears MS won't get another dime from me until 2020. DX12 won't get me to move either, as I think OpenGL will start to take over now since NV outed the fact that it already does most of what dx12 can offer if used correctly right NOW (dx12 what a year off?). Valve pushing it and hating windows helps OpenGL even more, and of course Google is doing the same and devs will move just for easy portability. They follow the path of least resistance and the OpenGL NV speech had a full audience when even they expected people to be next door in the VR speech (nope)...LOL. With mobile gaming exploding, devs have to look seriously at OpenGL and valve is pushing it on the PC side. How can you not look at OpenGL to see if it's doable for your project before even pondering directx right now?




By BaronMatrix on 7/3/2014 4:42:14 PM , Rating: 2
They just don't seem to realize the Modern is a DOWNGRADE from Aero...

I didn't hate W8 but I hate the Modern Chrome... I'll never use it on my 3LCD main machine...

Like you I have no desire to have a touch monitor... I compared a laptop I have side by side and Modern looks like someone added the UI from Win98... Only suckier...


By flyingpants1 on 7/5/2014 2:06:51 PM , Rating: 2
Please stop. Aero had exactly one feature that nobody ever used.


finally
By ignatius pugnax on 7/1/2014 12:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
this is what windows 8 should have been from the start. i will probably upgrade to get the performance and security benefits




No AERO, No DEAL
By BaronMatrix on 7/3/2014 3:20:27 PM , Rating: 2
I like having the transparency vs the horrible flat Modern Chrome... I went in to try and tweak the colors and it's like we went back to Win95 on my HD6970 soon to be an R9 290...

I again can understand the low power necessities of mobile, but by the next IGP for phones we should have no issues doing simple alpha-blending...

So no AERO, no DEAL... EVER...




By ZorkZork on 7/6/2014 3:51:58 PM , Rating: 2
... but I suppose they will still try to force developers into their monopolistic app store. While it may work for Apple with their walled garden, windows were built on some level of openness. Microsoft delivered the OS and then everyone was free to built on top of that.

Part of the Metro/Modern/whatever story was that the only way to distribute such apps were through the store (were Microsoft would of course take their cut and enforce their rules).

In truly hope that goes away with Windows 9 (but I'm not optimistic). I for one will never support "the store".




lolwut
By Motoman on 6/30/14, Rating: -1
RE: lolwut
By amanojaku on 6/30/2014 9:13:23 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
quote:
Microsoft hopes that desktop users holding onto Windows 7 will want to make the switch to Windows Threshold.

Why would they want to? Inquiring minds want to know.
To take advantage of the improvements in Windows 8 without having to deal with the unpopular interface? There's more to Windows 8 than the Metro UI and Start Screen...


RE: lolwut
By Motoman on 6/30/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By Spuke on 6/30/2014 11:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
Most regular users only upgrade to a new Windows OS when they buy a new computer so as long as they can get around in it, they're fine with it. Most users don't even use a 1/4 of the features of Windows. Most of those features are for power users and corporate users.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By peterrushkin on 7/1/14, Rating: -1
RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 2:00:37 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I was at an expo today and wasn't surprised in the least when everyone brought out a macbook retina.

A lot of people have moved on and really don't care about Windows 7, 8 or up-coming 9.
I'm sure a lot of people have moved on, and I guess that's why Windows 8 has sold more licenses than all iMacs, MacBook Pro's, MacBook Air's, and Mac Pro's combined.


RE: lolwut
By nikon133 on 7/1/2014 5:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
My friend just moved on to Melbourne.


RE: lolwut
By TheJian on 7/2/2014 1:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
Selling a lic and it actually being on the PC a week or two later are two different things. They count sales to business but many just roll out a copy of win7 seconds after the pc gets in the door. I don't know any business using win8 on desktops/notebooks and they aren't planning to either not with win7 going to 2020 for ENT.

I've done many downgrades myself for home users. I be shocked if this isn't happening in many places as I don't know any HAPPY win8 users who came from win7/xp. The only mildly happy are the ones who never saw either previous OS (1st time pc owners), so have no way of knowing what they are dealing with vs. the old versions. And even those spend most time on a tablet or phone anyway...ROFL. Those 1st timers aren't hardcore PC users from day one (maybe one day), and mobile is big for them since they HAVE had those for years and are familiar with any new rev.

Microsofts problem was, as the guy that made the UI said, they built an OS for NON-power users. We tell everyone else what sucks or doesn't (IT, Power users, Power gamers etc), and the casual people listen today and even seek IT etc out for advice if they don't read reviews themselves already. You can't completely ignore your hardcore users as they did here. Look at the UI guy's comment. What the heck did they expect us to say or advice people after making an OS that hates us and how we get things done?


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 2:11:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
They're ALREADY planning to make it obsolete with a new OS...
The average release cycle of a new Windows OS is every 3 years. It has been the case of the last 2 OS releases, so what's different here?

Furthermore, how does it become obsolete with the next release of Windows? Does it suddenly stop working? Will you stop receiving patches and updates? Will applications suddenly stop working? No. It will continue to work, applications will continue to be compatible, and you will still receive updates.

Does Android 4.4 become obsolete with the upcoming release of Android L? No. The only difference here is that you feel obliged to paint MS in a negative light. You're so transparent.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By Jacerie on 7/1/2014 10:04:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
There's nothing in this that justifies an entirely new OS!


Aside from rewriting the APIs for easier development and that one little fact that Windows 9 will be the same OS across any device you throw it on. That's freakin HUGE!

If MS plays this right they could corner a massive section of the market. It won't matter if you have a PC, tablet, xbox, or phone, everything will work together.

Don't need the full power of a nice PC? Buy an Xbox and just install office and whatever other apps you need to use.

Already have a win9 PC but really want to play that new Xbox game? Install the Xbox software and rock it out without having to drop more cash on another device.


RE: lolwut
By HardwareDufus on 7/1/2014 11:31:10 AM , Rating: 2
lolwut,

i like your summarization. that is the big thing... a truly homogenous ecosystem across platforms.

they are starting from behind in the mobile sector, but with the reléase of win9 in the early spring, they will have a truly homongenous ecosystem accross all devices. they will need to:

1. Truly enable it.. so that the scenario you described is real.

2. Communicate it to the public.... and not with good looking folks in suits clicking their tablets and heals in a board room (who permitted those initial Surface commercials?)

3. Allow real content / configuration syncronization accross devices and cloud. If I buy an álbum from my Lumia phone with WinPhone 9.. I should have the ability to stick it on the cloud and cache it on every Windows9 device I have (I don't care what Mettalica thinks) that logs in with my Username!

4. Unified App Store: Allow one license for all devices that login with my username. I buy Office for my Windows9 Desktop.... I get prompted to download Office for WinPhone on my Lumia with Windows Phone 9. I got prompted!! Microsoft lets me know it.. proactively. This would give Microsoft more App Sales. They could build in distribution options for other 3rd party App creators too, if they wanted to follow the same license model as Microsoft.

5. Unified App Store that takes into account Family Plans.... This one is a bit trickier, but there are ways to do it... It would serve the purpose to lock in the entire family to the Windows ecosystem.... the wife denies Apple an Ipad purchase.. because when she buys a Surface or other WinTable she gets all of this software that the family already bought for the home PC or that her Husband bought for his Smartphone. the kids deny Apple an IPhone purchase... because their content gets sync'd everywhere around the house (songs on Xbox/ their laptop, etc..)... even with their siblings, etc... (all legally)..

Windows 9 doesn't have to kill Android or iOS... However, Microsoft needs to make sure this sea change creates a Microsoft ecosystem (os & apps) that makes it the clear choice. That will help them take sales from Android or iOS.


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 11:05:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But this is the OS Windows 8 should have been. And logically could be. There's nothing in this that justifies an entirely new OS!
How do you know that? Do you have some sort of inside information that no-one else has in order to make such a claim?

quote:
Expect Microsoft to end support for "old" OS's MUCH faster from here on out.
I don't think so:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecyc...

The Windows 8 support lifecycle ends 10th January 2023. Is 10 years of OS support not enough for you?

quote:
Only to have them announce an entirely new OS almost immediately, WITH the UI mechanics that Windows 8 SHOULD have had from the start?
Yes, we should simply halt progress of anything until Reclaimer is ready. If you had even a modicum of sense, you would have done your research and known that the new Windows OS was due to be released next year. Perhaps then you could have halted your purchase. Instead you prefer to piss and moan about it as you always do.

It is fair to claim that you are portraying MS in a negative light, because that is all you ever do.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: -1
RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 12:33:52 PM , Rating: 2
Again, what inside information do you have that you can divulge which states that Windows 9 will only be UI changes?

If you feel that way, why did you purchase Windows 8.1 in the first place? Anyone with even an iota of logic would not purchase something that they don't like.


RE: lolwut
By Spuke on 7/1/2014 1:40:41 PM , Rating: 2
For the record, I have 8.1 and have been one of the few here that actually likes it and have been running it for a while now and I'll most definitely be on the 9 train. Maybe I'll wait for 9 before I get another tablet too if it's really going to be a unified architecture.


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/1/2014 11:17:03 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
But this is the OS Windows 8 should have been. And logically could be. There's nothing in this that justifies an entirely new OS!

Come on, this is a service pack at best. And you know it.

Please, enlighten us. What is the full list of changes to the unreleased, unannounced, not-even-in-beta product that allows you to define it as "a service pack at best?"

Thanks in advance.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: -1
RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/1/2014 12:54:02 PM , Rating: 3
What? Motoman did not claim to have magical knowledge about Win9 and how it will only be a couple of UI changes that will make up "a service pack at best." Those are your words.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/2014 2:08:29 PM , Rating: 2
Wow...do you seriously think that's the crux of my whole argument? Way to zero in on some pedantic little thing and ignore the big picture.


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/1/2014 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
I never said it was... I wanted a reply only to the part I quoted.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/1/2014 6:04:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We can still do that, right master??

Not if you're going to make such strong assertions based off of literally nothing at all. The comment I quoted had literally no indication of what changes were coming to Windows 9, yet your conclusion takes a very strong stance:
"Come on, this is a service pack at best. And you know it."
Because no, I don't "know it" and neither do you, so how can you make such a statement?

quote:
So I'm sorry but this OS would have to be pretty goddamned amazing to justify replacing Windows 8 already.

Windows 8 is already two years old, and by the time 9 ships, it'll be three. Here is the Windows release schedule for consumer versions of the OS since Windows 1.0:
Win1.0 - 1985
Win2.0 - 1987
Win2.1 - 1988
Win3.0 - 1990
Win3.1 - 1992
Win95 - 1995
Win98 - 1998
WinME - 2000
WinXP - 2001
Vista - 2007
Win7 - 2009
Win8 - 2012
Win9 - 2015 (targeted)

Minus the hiccup with Vista that extended the development cycle to 6 years, every OS release has been 2-3 years apart.

While I have no issue arguing that Windows 8 was a pretty big flop, I'd hardly call the 9 release as "already."


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/1/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/2/2014 2:04:16 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Do you know who the fuck you're talking to? Nobody tells me what I can and can't say. I can take a bad position, and hold it and keep pushing it until I'm the last one standing, and NOBODY can tell me otherwise! And you know I'll do it too :)
Yes, and that's your problem. You're completely irrational, hate-filled, and biased. You cling onto assumptions and target those as facts. You're unable to take other opinions on board, and when people contend your statements, you cherry pick their posts to find something to divert from the statements you've blatantly been proven to be wrong on.

quote:
Well I just did. Deal with it! I know!
I know that this is why your comments are often relegated to -1. You're proven to be wrong, yet you are unable to open your mind and deal with the truth. That's not logical debate, that's just idiocy. You've obviously made your mind up about it all, regardless of the facts, so what is the point?

quote:
So saying it's "already" two years old (since when is two years old for a Microsoft OS?), is just kind of silly as a defense.
How is it a silly defense? Because it's not up to YOUR standards? Why did you buy it in the first place then? What defense do you have for purchasing a product you clearly feel is not up to standard?

Windows 9 hasn't even been released yet. We've shown you the release cycle of Windows OS's, yet you still can't get it through to your skull that this is nothing new. Microsoft are not in the wrong for moving on to the next release. You're in the wrong for purchasing something that you clearly don't like, and then complaining when Microsoft discuss Windows 9. If you had done even 5 minutes of research, you would have known Threshold was due to be released next year.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 8:55:15 AM , Rating: 2
There's no right or wrong here, it's a matter of opinion. You get that, right?

You can't tell me I'm "wrong" about Threshold because it's a matter of opinion. If you refuse to even acknowledge the other persons point of view, you become just as biased and irrational as you claim I am.


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/2/2014 11:34:47 AM , Rating: 2
An opinion is different from an educated guess. Nobody is denying you your opinion. An educated guess is something backed by information, though. Something you had none of when you allegedly made it.

I didn't say you were wrong, or even "not right." I simply believe that you cannot make an "educated guess" about something without any facts if you are going to make such an assertive conclusion.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 12:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
An educated guess is something backed by information, though.


I was using information. Microsoft's track record and patterns I've observed for over 20 years!! How is that not valid?

quote:
I simply believe that you cannot make an "educated guess" about something without any facts


I believe I can. I'm not sure I like your pro-censorship tone either.

Also there's this thing called human intuition, ever heard of it? We act out on feelings, and a LOT of the time they're right. I have a feeling here about this OS, and based on prior information and historic trends, made an educated assumption.

I stand by that.


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/2/2014 1:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I was using information. Microsoft's track record and patterns I've observed for over 20 years!! How is that not valid?

Because a track record is not a valid fact to use in a concrete statement. I will quote it again just for easy reference:

"But this is the OS Windows 8 should have been. And logically could be. There's nothing in this that justifies an entirely new OS !

Come on, this is a service pack at best. And you know it ."

You have stated, with certainty, that the changes in Windows 9 are "a service pack at best." This implies you have factual evidence about the changes that will be in the OS. Such a statement cannot be backed by "track record" nor "educational guesses."

quote:
I believe I can. I'm not sure I like your pro-censorship tone either.

I'm not trying to censor you. I meant "cannot" to mean unable to, not that you are not allowed. Please don't twist words to make me sound like a bad guy.

quote:
Also there's this thing called human intuition, ever heard of it? We act out on feelings, and a LOT of the time they're right.

So when all else fails, fall back from a logical debate based on facts and back up your concrete assertion with "I can feel it to be true" ???

I won't sit here and tell you aren't allowed to have an opinion or that you can say your gut is telling you X or Y based on what you know, but you absolutely cannot use instinct or intuition as the foundation of your statement. When it comes down to it, your statement simply has absolutely NO factual basis, and that's what I'm arguing about here. It's not that you cannot speak your mind, have an opinion, or feel a certain way - it's that your statement is completely illogical. It is not an opinion, it is made as a factual statement, but has no factual proof.

quote:
I stand by that.

That's fine, I respect your opinion. If you want to run around that your opinion is that Win9 will just be small UI changes, that's great. You just can't make the statement you did (which is not an opinion, it stated as a factual statement) and be logically sound without actually having any factual evidence.

Now if you came out and said "I have insider knowledge from a MS employee who leaked me the details, and I can tell you it will be a service pack at best," then we have another story.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 1:49:54 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't aware that you were the arbiter of what can and can't be said here, or what terms are valid, or any of the sort. Sorry mein fuhrer!

Dude, you know we're not writing term papers or white papers here, right? You need to allow for a little leeway on internet forum discussions.

And why pick on me? There's HUNDREDS of instances of hyperbole used here from others. Why must you always single mine out? If your going to edit and censor posts, fine, but to it to EVERYONE!

You're just trying to be way too literal and nitpicky. WOW, I made an imperfect statement. Holy crap, that REALLY deserved that TLDR mountain you just dropped on us?

quote:
Please don't twist words to make me sound like a bad guy.


HA! Really? Pot meet kettle, to infinity!!!


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/2/2014 3:27:44 PM , Rating: 1
I don't understand, I explicitly stated I wasn't trying to restrict your rights or anything...

And I didn't say any of your terms were invalid either. I said your statement is invalid. You did not express it as an opinion, you stated it as fact.

And why pick on you? I don't I say these kinds of things to other people too, you're usually the only one who lashes back and creates a 100 post back-and-forth where I'm constantly trying to explain the concepts of logic, fact, deduction, etc.

quote:
WOW, I made an imperfect statement

It wasn't imperfect, it just has no factual evidence to back it up. Can you really not see the issue here? I'm not trying to nitpick grammar and wording. You just straight up made an assertion that was just completely invalid.


RE: lolwut
By inighthawki on 7/2/2014 3:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
Also, off topic, but how did my post immediately start at a 1 rating?


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 4:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe there's someone out there who doesn't appreciate bullies.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 9:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
Hey help me out, I'm looking in the Guinness Book here for the most PERFECT PERSON EVER, is that you? I mean you must be to talk to me this way.

I hope when I grow up I can aspire to be like you, but alas, I'll just have to muddle on 'till then.


RE: lolwut
By FITCamaro on 7/1/2014 11:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
Some of us remember XP which lasted us 10 years. I don't mind Service Packs I have to pay for. But I don't want to have to spend $130 every 2-3 years on a new OS. Hence why I'm still running Windows 7. I do plan to go to Windows 9 though.


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 11:40:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
don't mind Service Packs I have to pay for. But I don't want to have to spend $130 every 2-3 years on a new OS.
Why do you have to? Support for both Windows 7 and Windows 8 is 10 years.


RE: lolwut
By FITCamaro on 7/1/2014 12:58:11 PM , Rating: 2
I mean in order to get the latest features in Windows. DX12 for example will likely not be coming to Windows 7 considering DirectX11.2 hasn't. Which will likely be released only 6 years after Windows 7's release.


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/1/2014 3:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
That's the case for anything, not just Windows. If you desire the latest and greatest features, you are continually updating and upgrading your hardware and software.

Furthermore, it's a moot point if you had Windows XP for 10 years as you mentioned in your initial post. XP has not had the latest and greatest features since 2006.


RE: lolwut
By TheJian on 7/2/2014 1:45:16 AM , Rating: 2
Back in February, Jacob Miller -- a UI designer who helped designed Windows 8's "Metro UI" -- said that Metro is the antithesis of a power user."

They asked for us to bash them. They bashed us and all the ways we WORK faster. It is well deserved with them firing the guy in charge of win8, and then further this UI guy saying it was built against everything power users LIKE. We should PRAISE this crap? You must be joking. MS deserves whatever they are getting right now and they deserve any wins android/linux/steamos/ARM can dole out vs. Wintel because of their treatment of their core users.


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/2/2014 2:14:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We should PRAISE this crap? You must be joking.
Where did I ever say Windows 8 should be praised? I've not given any opinion on Windows 8.

I was disputing Reclaimer's post where he somehow knows that Windows 9 will only be UI changes, and that he went ahead and chose to purchase Windows 8, even though he clearly doesn't like it.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/14, Rating: 0
RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/2/2014 1:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't consider a purchase of Windows 7 to be the "cave-man thing". Windows 7 is a perfectly fine OS with years of use left in it. If it serves a purpose for you, and you like it, then no one can begrudge you of that. I would consider it as voting with your wallet.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 1:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
I meant to put cave-man in quotes. Because people used to call people that when they said they would just skip 8 and stay with 7.

But yes, Microsoft stating that they would fix the UI of Windows 8 had a LOT to do with my purchase. Talk about a bait and switch...

I guess they named it "Windows Blue" because that's how they wanted us to feel. Just...sad.


RE: lolwut
By themaster08 on 7/2/2014 4:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But yes, Microsoft stating that they would fix the UI of Windows 8 had a LOT to do with my purchase. Talk about a bait and switch...
The entire point is that we don't know Microsoft's intentions as of yet. For all we know, Windows 9 could be a free upgrade for Windows 8.1 users. That's the current rumour. Windows 8.1 may still receive a Start Menu. We just don't know for sure yet.

Jumping to conclusions this early is just silly. Let's wait and see how this plays out.


RE: lolwut
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2014 4:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
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For all we know, Windows 9 could be a free upgrade for Windows 8.1 users.


While it's true this is a possibility, it would be extremely surprising if this actually happened.

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Jumping to conclusions this early is just silly.


True but...it's a lot more fun :)


RE: lolwut
By piroroadkill on 7/1/2014 5:50:03 AM , Rating: 4
Why would you choose to buy Windows 8 for anything other than the way it is?

You're choosing to support a product with your money as it is right now, not what it might be.


RE: lolwut
By Motoman on 7/1/2014 10:53:12 AM , Rating: 1
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Why would you choose to buy Windows 8 for anything other than the way it is?


Yeah. Because you totally have the option of getting any computer you want with Windows 7 on it instead of 8.

Oh wait...no you don't. New computer = Win8.


RE: lolwut
By Alexvrb on 7/1/2014 8:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
I heard Update 3 was the one targeting a start menu addition to Windows 8.1. They keep improving Win8, and it seems they will continue to do so for some time. Not that it's really hard to navigate Win8 with a couple of settings tweaks (boot to desktop, set start screen to default to all apps view, desktop apps listed first, etc). That doesn't even count third party software.


RE: lolwut
By Bateluer on 7/2/2014 7:17:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well, at least Microsoft recognizes that Windows 8's reputation is irrevocably damaged and fully rejected across the market. Better for them to quickly move on, and, hopefully, learn from their mistakes with future Windows versions.

With both Google and Apple flush with cash and controlling the mobile market, its not really in Microsoft's best interests to completely screw up. There's a lot to be said for the capabilities of a Chromebook and the Macbook hardware is pretty damn good.


RE: lolwut
By inperfectdarkness on 7/1/2014 5:20:20 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. My problem with it is, MS could do most if not all of that to win 8 and call it 8.2/8.3. It's not really enough to warrant a new OS, imho.


RE: lolwut
By marvdmartian on 7/1/2014 8:26:02 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, though, how much that screen is starting to look more like Windows 7, isn't it? The only difference that's immediately evident is that they replaced the right side of the start menu with their little windows 8 buttons, instead of a text listing of common areas.

Maybe they ought to call this one Windows 7.5, instead? ;)


RE: lolwut
By hughlle on 7/1/2014 10:22:38 AM , Rating: 2
The issue being that it's still windows 8. If my father can walk into a shop and tell the assistant that he has heard bad things about 8 and if he would be able to install 7 onto the ultrabook, then that's an issue.

MS are aware of how badly they screwed the pooch this time around, and it would appear they are actively trying to make sure that their "new" OS is seen as a new OS, not as windows 8. Otherwise people will see 8, and average joe who doesn't know what's been fixed, will just associate it to the widely accepted "8 blows"


RE: lolwut
By TheJian on 7/2/2014 1:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
For what boot times? I do that once a week tops and have an SSD that does it in seconds anyway. It sleeps most days if it goes down at all. I don't give a hoot about boot times or any security claims. I have a firewall/av suite+threatfire to deal with all that crap (and a good router on top). Even if win8/8.1 was completely free I'd be asking why I'd want to deal with ANYTHING new as I don't see anything I'm gaining speed wise (slowing me down hiding things deeper actually, more clicks for everything) or feature wise. There is nothing I need in it that makes me say "jeez, I need this now". It also comes with far too much that makes me say "I never want that"...LOL.


RE: lolwut
By puter_geek_00 on 7/2/2014 12:49:27 PM , Rating: 1
Holy cow, it's just a codename. Remember when Vista was Longhorn, and Home Server 2011 was Vail? I know there are more, these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. They will change the name when it gets closer to release.


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