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Self proclaimed anarchist Julian Assange allegedly fought to prevent redacting the names of U.S. informants in Iraq and Afghanistan from Wikileaks' publication of U.S. Military war memos, saying they deserved death.  (Source: Daily Mail)
New details about the Wikileaks story raise serious questions about site's journalistic legitimacy

In a special by the Public Broadcasting Service, entitled WikiSecrets, people close to the drama will open up about what happened in the months leading up to the arrest of Bradley Manning and in the months after.  The special offers a rich picture, with diverse commentary.  Among the recap of previous coverage there's some new developments -- serious questions about Wikileaks' behavior which the site's staunchest supporters will doubtless dismiss the claims as conspiracy.

In this first piece we offer comprehensive analysis of the new revelations.  

In a second, upcoming piece we share an interview with Adrian Lamo, the man who turned in Wikileak's hottest source and chronicle his recent discourse with a long time colleague over his actions.

I. Wikileaks -- Journalism or Espionage?

Wikileaks has long held itself up as a journalistic institution.  Founder Julian Assange preached that his site was launching a new breed of journalism.  He billed the site as a unmatched platform for whistleblowers.

In recent months, the site has certainly been busy.  In July 2010 it published a treasure trove of 92,000 U.S. Military field memos from Afghanistan.  That was followed by an October publication of over 400,000 Iraq field memos.  And in November it began to leak the first of over 250,000 diplomatic cables.  In April, the site leaked documents detailing detainees at Guantánamo Bay.

Throughout these publications, questions have been raised about whether Wikileaks is truly whistleblowing.  After all, some of the documents seemed to indicate wrongdoing or inappropriate behavior by American officials, but many seemed merely embarrassing or leaked secret details about U.S. domestic and foreign operations.  In that light some of the published materials seemed to fall under the umbrella of international espionage, rather than traditional whistleblowing.

Those questions will only get noisier in the face of accusations that Mr. Assange pushed for the publication of potentially deadly secrets.

II. Assange Wished Death Upon American Allies in Iraq, Afghanistan

Mr. Assange has publicly stated that the site was very careful in redacting details that might endanger lives and that it only published when it was sure no one would be endangered.  He dubbed this a "harm-minimization process"

But PBS cites "insiders within the organization" as accusing Mr. Assange of only considering redactions as an afterthought and performing them in haste before publication.  

The special contains an interview with Mr. Assange's former right-hand manand Wikileaks spokesperson, Daniel Domscheit-Berg, who has called out his former ally claiming he behaved negligently.  Mr. Domscheit-Berg claims that Mr. Assange only agreed to redact parts of the 90k logs with four hours left before publication.  The results were sloppy redactions, that may have exposed and harmed U.S. allies.  Mr. Domscheit-Berg recalls being shocked and "horrified" by the media reporting that Wikileaks possibly endangered lives.

David Leigh of England's Guardian newspaper has leveled a shocking accusation against Mr. Assange in the special.

He recalls a meeting he was invited to about the publication of the war memos.  He remembers pleading with Assange to redact the names of tribal elders and U.S. informants who were exposed cooperating with the U.S. and could be the subject of deadly retribution.  He comments, "Julian was very reluctant to delete those names, to redact them. And we said: 'Julian, we’ve got to do something about these redactions. We really have got to.'"

"And he said: 'These people were collaborators, informants. They deserve to die.' And a silence fell around the table."

Mr. Assange seemingly denied the allegation calling it "absolutely false... completely false."

But he qualifies, "We don't want innocent people with a decent chance of being hurt to be hurt."

The possibility is left open that Mr. Assange views U.S. allies (such as cooperating tribal leaders) as culpable accomplices, and is obfuscating the fact that he indeed wishes them ill.

It is unknown whether the publications have caused any deaths, but Newsweek reported last year that the Taliban, a violent Jihadist fundamentalist insurgency in Afghanistan, were using the war memos as a rally cry.  Allegedly they brutally murdered a tribal elder, whom they claimed the leaked documents exposed, and promised more executions.

Documents leaked by Wikileaks also almost tipped off Osama bin Laden and his Pakistani Al Qaeda colleagues that the Americans were on to his whereabouts and were planning a strike.  Had he noted these details, the famed terrorist could have yet again eluded the grasp of America's military.

III. A Vendetta Against America?

The trouble with Mr. Assange's comments, if accurate, is that they raise serious questions about how much his efforts are a quest for the truth and how much they are the manifestation against a personal vendetta against government and its manifestation in the world's most power nation.

In the seminal 1990s book on hacking, Underground: Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier by Suelette Dreyfus, which Mr. Assange edited, researched, and contributed text to, an autobiographical passage by Assange describes:

As he quietly backed out of the system, wiping away his footprints as he tip-toed away, Mendax [Assange] thought about what he had seen. He was deeply disturbed that any hacker would work for the US military.

Hackers, he thought, should be anarchists, not hawks.

Such a statement could be construed as off-the-cuff, but at least one trusted source we've spoken to, who was a member of Mr. Assange's Australian hacking circle and wished not to be named, confirmed that Mr. Assange was extremely vocal in advocating such anarchic ideals.

DailyTech was the first major news publication to point to this passage after the Wikileaks story broke and also was among the first to point out that vast majority of Wikileaks documents -- greater than 95 percent of them -- focus on the U.S., a disproportionate scrutiny considering its population, GDP, military size, and government size.

When you add up these elements, serious questions emerge, questions the site's staunchest advocates may be too uncomfortable to directly answer.

IV. One Million Dollars

According to Mr. Domscheit-Berg, Mr. Assange initially tried to sell journalists the "Collateral Murder" footage, which showed a U.S. helicopter gunship gunning down innocent civilians in Iraq.  This surprised Mr. Domscheit-Berg as he had been told that the goal of Wikileaks was always "just publish".

But Mr. Assange didn't want to publish the information -- not until he received a small ransom.  He demanded a payment of $1M USD for exclusive access to the information.

In the end, nobody bit.  So Mr. Assange was forced to simply post the teaser to YouTube, eventually posting a longer, less edited clip to his website.  In an interview Mr. Assange sounded remorseful about "missed opportunities" financially in the site's early history -- likely alluding to his failure to draw the $1M USD.

V. Manning Before and After Imprisonment

In the special, PBS does a remarkable job in connecting the disconnected coverage with various details of Manning's life leading up to his arrest.  It covers how he was bullied in boot camp, and interviews his father about he was concerned about his son's pro-homosexuality posts to Facebook.  

It details how the young Army enlistee began frequent the Boston University hacking club of David House, and how the club first introduced Manning to Wikileaks.  It details how Manning began leaking materials, but went for much bigger leaks after being demoted and breaking up with his boyfriend Tylor Watkins.

The special then turns to ex-convicted hacker Adrian Lamo, the man who turned in Mr. Manning after the young man confided in him.  Mr. Lamo is quoted in the preview as saying, "I got the sense that Bradley was very depressed."

Still he recalls moments where the young man lit up with vengeance at what he felt was U.S. injustice.  In confirmed text logs Manning was shown to have written, "Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public."

Convinced that Mr. Manning was too great a threat to U.S. safety, Mr. Lamo turned in the young man, as Mr. Lamo recalls in an exclusive interview with DailyTech from last year.

Mr. Manning current resides in an Army brig in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, awaiting his first pretrial hearing this summer.  The young man could face the death penalty for his crime, but sources close to the case have indicated to us that the death penalty will not be pursued, with the most likely outcome being life in prison.

VI. Assange and Others Speak Out

The special will also include diverse accounts analyzing the effects of the leaks.  On the one side, will be U.S. authorities like former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte.

Mr. Negroponte states, "9/11 surfaced the fact that there was less than adequate sharing of information across the government. We went from a need-to-know philosophy to a need-to-share."

Another U.S. government official, former State Department employee Larry Wilkerson comments, "Bradley Manning does not need to know what the secretary of defense said to his counterpart in Paris."

In the middle you have the journalists involved.  For example Wired’s Kim Zetter claims that Mr. Assange was desperate to get the logs of Mr. Lamo's communications with Mr. Manning.  She comments, "He contacted me, and he wanted the chat logs. He said that he needed it in order to prepare Manning’s defense. ... I can only speculate, but I think that he was concerned about what was in the chat logs about himself."

The special alludes that Mr. Assange may have had direct contact with Mr. Manning -- in complete violation with his site's policy not to identify sources.  Mr. Assange firmly denied this allegation.  And at least one person interviewed in the special suggested that Mr. Assange used a go between -- likely someone in David House's circle of friends -- to pass information and limit Wikileaks/Mr. Assange's legal liability.

The special also interviews Mr. Assange's former right-hand man and Wikileaks spokesperson, Daniel Domscheit-Berg, who has called out his former ally claiming he behaved negligently.  Mr. Domscheit-Berg is currently crafting his own leaks site that aims for greater responsibility in publication.

And the special includes an interview with Mr. Assange himself, who currently is under house arrest in northeast London, awaiting extradition to Sweden to face sex crimes charge.  Mr. Assange is quoted as saying, "History is on our side. ... When you expose powerful organizations, there will be ad hominem attacks. Yes, in my personal case, they’ve been rather hard. But it’s not an unusual circumstance. ... WikiLeaks is continuing to step up its publishing speed, ... and it does good. We can see the effects all around us."

The WikiSecrets FRONTLINE special played Tuesday evening on PBS and is being rebroadcast online at:
www.pbs.org/frontline/wikileaks



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"They deserve to die."
By sprockkets on 5/24/2011 9:54:40 PM , Rating: 5
Uh, by his own logic Julian deserves to die too.

What a dumb ass.




RE: "They deserve to die."
By cactusdog on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: "They deserve to die."
By nafhan on 5/25/2011 10:25:55 AM , Rating: 3
There's also the possibility this was taken out of context. Technically speaking, an informant's countrymen (i.e. the people whose information he's giving away) probably would feel that the informant deserved to die.

However, if this is the context within which Assange made this statement, then he would consider the US to be an enemy; thus putting his claims of journalistic integrity into question again.


RE: "They deserve to die."
By AstroCreep on 5/25/2011 11:39:56 AM , Rating: 3
Oh, I do. Assange is a very self-serving person who will do anything to further his opinion and ideals, especially if it further demonizes the US.
What better way to garner further hatred and disgust of the US than to publish information on informants working with the US that would get those informants killed?
"Collateral Murder" indeed.


RE: "They deserve to die."
By kitsu on 6/17/2011 2:08:55 AM , Rating: 2
aren't you Adrian Lamo? He's been outted behind Lulsec, ya know.


RE: "They deserve to die."
By kitsu on 6/17/2011 2:09:32 AM , Rating: 2
RE: "They deserve to die."
By AssBall on 5/25/2011 12:54:01 AM , Rating: 4
I doubt he came to his conclusion using logic. It doesn't seem to be his cup of tea.


RE: "They deserve to die."
By euler007 on 5/25/2011 11:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
If by that you mean "If he thinks their traitors should die, he should die to for betraying the US", you're just forgetting that he's not American, therefore not a traitor.


RE: "They deserve to die."
By StanO360 on 5/30/2011 10:21:58 PM , Rating: 2
It appears that self-aggrandizement is his cup of tea


RE: "They deserve to die."
By BlokeMan on 6/20/2011 4:37:23 AM , Rating: 2
Julian never actually said this - DailyTech is clearly just parrotting David Leigh (Guardian) who seems heartbroken over him for some reason. Before making idiotic statements like this perhaps you should inform yourself of the facts of the matter. Otherwise you'll just look like a half-wit, saying stuff like "Julian deserves to die". How brainless - but sadly typical of those who attack WikiLeaks. They simply have no idea what the actual facts are, and parrot the attacks by mainstream media organisations (like DailyTech, obviously) who feel threatened that WikiLeaks has done more real journalism in four years than they have in 100.


I can feel it
By icanhascpu on 5/24/2011 9:41:10 PM , Rating: 5
Somehow, somewhere, this must be all apples fault.




RE: I can feel it
By vol7ron on 5/24/2011 11:20:16 PM , Rating: 4
I care about WikiLeaks less and less. I think I might pay them more attention if they were able to prove a conspiracy, like the govt. was behind 9/11.

Otherwise, it's just more propaganda. Facts focused in such a way to mislead the ill-informed; the legitimacy of such "facts" left in question.


RE: I can feel it
By SPOOFE on 5/25/2011 12:48:06 AM , Rating: 5
Just look at his behavior; supposedly he's sitting on hundreds of thousands of documents, slowly releasing them so as to constantly keep his name and Wikileaks in the media on a regular basis.

If he was just about information, wanting to be free... why doesn't he actually, y'know, free the information?


RE: I can feel it
By pvalcken on 5/25/2011 3:11:27 AM , Rating: 2
You do not need a conspiracy to trigger 9/11. It suffices to weaken your defenses by rerouting resources (money, people) to other 'priorities' such as befriended industries, and something like 9/11 is bound to happen. It suffices to spend more and more on building up aggressive capabilities (or on paying for support during elections) and increasingly weaken the defensive measures. At some point, the external pressures break through the wall. There is absolutely no need to conspire to organize the attack if you are not picky where and when some kind of attack will take place. But the handling of Lehman indicates that incompetence also should be attributed much of the blame (years earlier the Scandinavian countries handled such a crisis in the financial sector successfully but their recipe was ignored because it did put the pressure on the banks rather than the public).


Oh really?
By MeesterNid on 5/24/2011 9:55:46 PM , Rating: 3
So by Assange's own logic would that mean that Manning too would deserve to die? Seeing how he was a collaborator and an informant.




People need to ignore him
By Dug on 5/25/2011 11:52:27 AM , Rating: 3
"And he said: 'These people were collaborators, informants. They deserve to die.' And a silence fell around the table."

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.

And then to hold information back for 1 million payment?
Typical egotist /narcissist before realizing his own fears.




By ATWindsor on 5/25/2011 12:31:51 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know mister Assange, and I know little about his ideals. But why so much focus on it? Lets say the mans is an asshole, a hypocrite, and he hates the united states. Is that relevant? Does that make the data less truthful? Is there reason to believe the leaked data is not legit? Is the data less true if wikileaks leaks less about other countries? Would it be journalism if mister Assange was a nicer guy, but espionage if not?

I find the leaks interesting, not because I like the leakers, but I think the threat of stuff like this is good for "scaring" the government. We have also seen som really interesting reactions, which is very illuminating (for instance visa and mastercard concerning donations)




By inperfectdarkness on 5/25/2011 8:44:42 PM , Rating: 2
...so does mr. assange. any questions?




Double Standards
By taggarakk on 5/29/2011 7:38:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don´t know if Assange uttered these deplorable words (though I rather doubt it). What we do know, however, is that the US acts according to this principle. They kill people indisciminately in Afghanistan if for instance they happen to live in a village where talibans are supposed to be. They just destroy all the surrounding houses. Obviously the US military thinks that these ordinary persons deserved to die.




By grant2 on 6/12/2011 5:40:47 AM , Rating: 2
That's when you accuse Assange of saying something, which he didn't say, based only on hearsay.

If you want to pretend to be a "news website" you should stick to reporting FACTS. Not unsubstantiated rumours.




THIS ARTICLE IS A LIE
By BlokeMan on 6/20/2011 4:33:29 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry - this article is total crap. Assange did not say that ANYBODY "deserved to die" - this is a libellous lie which Assange has repeatedly denied, and WL are preparing litigation against the source of this false and defamatory statement. That is likely to include idiotic article-writers like this one. TheDailyTech should be ashamed that such poor standards are shown by its writers and it's time that it grew up and started doing some real journalism insead of hack-job smear campaigns.




It's very simple...
By MartyLK on 5/25/2011 12:07:46 PM , Rating: 1
All you need do is ask yourself...do you feel more comfortable...or at ease...with people like Assange and Wikileaks in the world, or less comfortable?

If there is someone in the world who can stand up to the overwhelming power of super governments, and is on the side of humanity, that can't be bad.

As it is, the governments have all the power to do whatever they so wish and desire and can more than easily cover it up. They have the technology and resources to make anything they want happen.

Is that the kind of world you desire to live in...where governments...run by overbearing, egotistical people who are corrupt with power...can do anything they wish to you and you can't defend against it?

I know I feel better when I know the high and almighty cannot just crap on me whenever they choose and not expect to pay the reaper. I've personally been through the horror and misery a government can heap on us. And my experience was actually minimal. People like Assange are a balance. And that comforts me. They provide a small amount of balance against the overwhelming power of governments.

You had better hope that there will always be Assange's in the world. Because the moment there is nobody to defend us against the governments is the moment Hell actually has arrived on Earth.




Why do I have to listen to this...?
By pugster on 5/25/2011 2:02:37 PM , Rating: 1
Seriously, Jason. Isn't Anandtech a website about the latest pc hardware and gadgets? If you want to talk about assaunge, maybe you should think about working for huffingtonpost or setting up your own separate blog or something.




By michael67 on 5/26/2011 5:16:05 AM , Rating: 1
Jason you should read up a little on confirmation bias, imho you are have a chronic case of it when it comes to WikiLeaks.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Con...




What I find amazing
By FauxNews on 5/24/11, Rating: 0
What goes around comes around
By Beenthere on 5/25/11, Rating: 0
bias much?
By cschuele on 5/25/11, Rating: 0
RE: bias much?
By MartyLK on 5/25/11, Rating: 0
dubious claim
By Paj on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: dubious claim
By Strunf on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
Well...
By Xcpus on 5/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Well...
By Xcpus on 5/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Well...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/24/2011 10:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
Al-Qaeda TARGETS civilians. That's a pretty major difference, don't ya think? Collateral damage is terrible, I agree, but it's not intentional and it's a reality of modern warfare.

Also Al-Qaeda's doctrine seems to be intentionally forcing engagements with U.S forces with the express purpose of deliberately putting civilians at risk.


RE: Well...
By nick2000 on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: Well...
By robinthakur on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: Well...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/25/2011 10:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
American politicians clamoured to impeach a President for having sex. However, they and the public allowed Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld and Cheney to escape scot-free with causing an unnecessary conflict that claimed the lives of 151 thousand people (so far, and most of those were civilians too, making it about 50 times as deadly as 9/11), cost 800 Billion dollars and basing it on lies which egregiously insult the intelligence of the world.


Ok, you're an idiot. Clinton was impeached because he lied under sworn oath testimony. NOT because he "had sex". Bush and Cheney perused every legal angle on Iraq, including an up or down vote by Congress, which passed. You make it seem as if they were lone wolfs, an insulting point of view. If anyone is to blame for Iraq, it's the ENTIRE government of the United States, not a President.

quote:
You use those words to describe buildings and infrastructure destroyed, not human lives. This seems to have become American shorthand for 'non-white people we accidentally shoot or blow up on the news' because I can't recall ever hearing the victims in the WTC described in those terms


Racism? You're seriously playing the race card here? The WTC attack was for the express purpose OF killing civilians. NOTHING "collateral" there. Hell was there ANYTHING of military value there? Not to mention that there was NO declared war or announcing of military actions against New York or the American public. Are you an idiot? You're trying to apply some kind of relativism between 9-11 and Iraq when none can possibly exist. One is a sanctioned and legal military action, the other was the act of terrorist. Period, end of discussion.


RE: Well...
By nick2000 on 5/25/2011 10:24:40 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Racism? You're seriously playing the race card here?

Race, religion and "foreignness" DEFINITELY apply here. Simply put, for most Americans (it seems) the life of an afghan civilian is not worse as much as the life of a white christian American. Extremely sad, but apparently true. I have had people actually justify it that way to me.

quote:
You're trying to apply some kind of relativism between 9-11 and Iraq when none can possibly exist. One is a sanctioned and legal military action, the other was the act of terrorist. Period, end of discussion.


Do you think that it makes a difference for the families who lost loved ones?

"Oh, it was an accident, so it makes it OK..."

That's technically called involuntary manslaughter. It is STILL a crime.


RE: Well...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/25/2011 10:31:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Simply put, for most Americans (it seems) the life of an afghan civilian is not worse as much as the life of a white christian American. Extremely sad, but apparently true.


How dare you. That's...that's just so offensive. We're done here.


RE: Well...
By Skywalker123 on 5/25/2011 5:30:36 PM , Rating: 1
You're done because you know its true.


RE: Well...
By wordsworm on 5/27/2011 10:47:08 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be surprised. The truth hurts. America is hurt. Now it's lashing out at the guy who brought the truth to the light of day.


RE: Well...
By hemmy on 5/25/2011 10:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
Stupidity abound...really there are no words to explain how dumb that is.


RE: Well...
By Warwulf on 5/25/2011 10:42:42 AM , Rating: 2
In before Godwin's Law!


RE: Well...
By Paj on 5/25/2011 10:51:25 AM , Rating: 2
You honestly think the Iraq war was sanctioned or legal?
Heard of a little thing called the UN?

Does anyone actually know why the US and Britain are still there? Or why they went there in the first place?


RE: Well...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/25/2011 11:00:44 AM , Rating: 5
Nice try but Iraq wasn't a member of the UN now was it? I think you need to research what you are talking about. The U.S, or any nation for that matter, doesn't need U.N approval or permission to conduct legal military operations. WE decide what is legal or not, not the U.N.

The U.N is mostly a bunch of corrupt fascists thugs posing as civilized men. The fact that you attach such legitimacy to such an organization is mind blowing. The only thing keeping such a group even relevant anymore IS the United States and Britain, not the other way around.

If the U.N had done their goddamn job in the first place, we wouldn't even BE in a Iraq. Saddamn should have never been left in power after the FIRST war.


RE: Well...
By Paj on 5/25/2011 1:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
A large part of America disastrous foreign policy stems from the idea that it can act unilaterally and get away with it. This might have been possible 60 years ago, but globalisation has put a stop to that. Acting without a UN mandate in Iraq has made it harder for states to take the US seriously in matters of foreign policy.

The UN is a union, same as the United States - a union of otherwise disparate entities acting together for the common good. Its what stops people doing stupid things and acting in their own short sighted self interest. I agree its not the best model, but its better than the alternative.

Say North Dakota wanted to invade South Dakota, what would stop them? The USA - the federal union. Just because it was legal under North Dakotan law (lol), does that make it just?


RE: Well...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/26/2011 6:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
Unilateral? Silly me, I thought Canada, Australia, Great Britain and a host of other countries also participated in military actions in Iraq.

But yeah, we're the big ol bad wolf! Watch out!


RE: Well...
By wordsworm on 5/27/2011 10:49:32 PM , Rating: 1
Canada was not in the second Iraq war. Somehow it knew that Bush II was full of shit when he was doing his WMD chant.


RE: Well...
By Zingam on 5/30/2011 11:08:03 AM , Rating: 2
Hitler's Germany and Austria :D Two independent states.


RE: Well...
By foolsgambit11 on 5/25/2011 7:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
Let's see.... Iraq is and has been a member of the United Nations since 1945. However, I'd agree that, while the UN Charter, which we signed onto, prohibits the Iraq War - prohibits all military conflicts without UN approval - it can be superseded by an act of Congress, which was granted. This leaves us in a quandary, where the Iraq War was certainly legal within US law, but there could be a question as to whether is was legal under international law (which is a loose construct to begin with, and certainly doesn't hold the force of 'law' in the traditional sense, since it doesn't really have a proper enforcement mechanism).

For reference:
Chapter I, Article 2, paragraph 3: "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." This prohibits us from engaging in war against other UN members, with a couple of exceptions - one is UN permission or under UN auspices (Chapter VII, Articles 39-50), another is if invaded, until such time as the UN takes action (Chapter VII, Article 51).

Chapter I, Article 2, paragraph 4: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." Notice it prohibits the use of force against 'any state'. As in, charter member of the UN or not. So if you still insist Iraq wasn't a UN member, this would cover the Iraq War, still.

As stated above, though, under US law, treaties and Acts of Congress are given equal priority, so that a later act by Congress (like the AUMF) can supersede the treaty.


RE: Well...
By Skywalker123 on 5/25/2011 5:21:53 PM , Rating: 1
The U.S.S Cole was a military target, The Pentagon and White House was a military target, The twin towers was a military and financial target.


Shocking...
By michal1980 on 5/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Shocking...
By karielash on 5/25/2011 5:40:22 AM , Rating: 3

So we should question the US Government and Assanage then?


RE: Shocking...
By Skywalker123 on 5/25/2011 5:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Always question those that claim they are doing things for the 'greater' good.

Like the U.S. govt?


No credibility, no danger!
By garagetinkerer on 5/25/11, Rating: -1
Entire article based off rumor.
By NullSubroutine on 5/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By wordsworm on 5/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By Reclaimer77 on 5/24/11, Rating: 0
RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By vol7ron on 5/24/2011 11:26:04 PM , Rating: 2
Harry Truman, Doris Day,...


RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By wordsworm on 5/25/11, Rating: 0
RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By mcnabney on 5/25/2011 12:50:37 AM , Rating: 4
Releasing Collateral Murder is whistleblowing.

Releasing a hundred thousand pages of diplomatic backchannels is not. Sure, parts are embarrassing, like providing liquor to the leaders of Muslim nations, but it is just how diplomacy works. Need I remind you that when diplomacy fails the remaining option involves bombs and bullets?


By garagetinkerer on 5/25/2011 2:58:08 AM , Rating: 2
Well, i'm an Indian. Our country has about 800 million plus people barely managing to gather 2 square meals a day.

The government of the day has wasted (poor storage etc.) a fair few metric tonnes of percious food procured at a great cost, and threw it all into the sea (no kidding!) Our Minister for Agriculture had this to say. "We can't give it away for free, can we?" Really, is throwing several thousand metric tonnes of food in sea is better?

Then the Government wrote of corporate taxes to the tune of $1 Trillion. Yep, you read that right... We have no money, no food (wait, we threw it in the SEA), and we didn't take the money owed?
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/sainath/ar...

Then there are scams, where some greedy SOB will compromise public interest... where in last 7 years of this Govt. we have seen atleast thrice as much wiped out.

Let us not forget Bhopal Gas tragedy... only the worst industrial disaster ever. Guilty were let of scot free, there are rumours of money exchanging hands(no proof yet). In 2008, there was this tid-bit sent over by US Ambassador to India, quoting the ruling party officials having trunks of money for charity (read bribing), in order to vote for allowing the US companies to build and commission nuclear reactors with questionable safeguards and guarantees.

All this may not have had come to light... without someone like Assange or others risking their neck. Respect where it is due!


RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By NullSubroutine on 5/24/2011 11:31:50 PM , Rating: 1
It was originally reported before, during, and after the release of the documents that Wikileaks was trying to work with the Pentagon to redact names that would lead to people dying and because the Pentagon had a "zero-tolerance policy" regarding the leaks, they said they wouldn't help redact them only demand they not be released at all.

I don't remember the article link, but it basically showed the government and NY Times lying flat out regarding what actually happened.

I don't see why Assange would be rumored to say such a thing if documentation shows they tried to work with the government/pentagon through their NY Times colleagues.


RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By Reclaimer77 on 5/24/2011 11:35:10 PM , Rating: 3
hahaha

"Hey guys, we have a ton of documents that people illegally leaked to us. Wanna help us edit them??"

I mean, are you serious? The Pentagon is the bad guy in this because they didn't help someone , who's NOT AUTHORIZED to have that information in the first place, redact names?

Why are people on here so stupid!!


By wordsworm on 5/25/2011 12:06:31 AM , Rating: 2
Take a long good look in the mirror. Then you might be able to answer your question.


RE: Entire article based off rumor.
By Dug on 5/25/2011 12:11:55 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct. It would be like a captor asking the U.S. to give medical aid to the hostage before the captor kills them.


By Skywalker123 on 5/25/2011 5:36:55 PM , Rating: 2
because of your genetics?


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/26/2011 6:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
By giving them assistance in "redacting" them we also give them an idea of how valuable the various pieces of information are and what information in them is more important than the usual nonsense. The correct stance is to say nothing and deny everything, let them try and sift through it. I wouldn't be surprised if Assange was simply fishing when he asked the Pentagon to assist with redactions. That way he could figure out what to leak to cause the biggest impact.


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