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RTM on November 30, retail availability on January 30

It looks as though Microsoft is getting its ducks in a row when it comes to final countdown for Windows Vista and Office 2007. According to APC Magazine, Microsoft has earmarked November 30 as the RTM date for both Vista and Office 2007.

For retail customers, the expected launch date is January 30, 2007 for both software releases. This confirms the launch dates leaked by Amazon.com in late August. APC Magazine reports:

For Vista, this will include a build number of 6000, which also matches the 6.0 reference that denotes Microsoft considers this the sixth full version of their beloved OS. Both Windows 95 line and NT 4.0 were officially stamped as Windows version 4 (or variants, such as Windows 98 being 4.1); Windows 2000 was christened as version 5, and XP anointed as Windows version 5.1 (due to its being built on the NT/2000 codebase).

Pricing for Windows Vista will range from $199/$99 (full/upgrade) for Vista Home Basic to $399/$259 for Vista Ultimate. Prices for Office 2007 start at $149 for Office Home and Student 2007 and top out at $499/$329 (full/upgrade) for Office Professional 2007.



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Who's jumping on this on release day
By archcommus on 11/2/2006 1:36:41 AM , Rating: 2
Who here plans to buy this and install it immediately? Given the recent benchmarks from AT of decreased performance virtually across the board in all DX9 titles, I'm not sure if I'll be making the switch right away. Plus the price is kind of scary. However my university does give away free XP Pro/Office Pro 2003/Mac OS X/Office for Mac discs like candy, think they'll get Vista discs right away?




By braytonak on 11/2/2006 1:43:53 AM , Rating: 2
I would love to jump on it right on release day, but it's not worth the price to me. I'll just ask for it as a birthday present...in July. I've used RC2. It's nice, but my current system runs great. Nothing like fixing what isn't broken with unproven parts.

Besides, waiting gives me lots of time to read about the problems that other people are having and how they fixed them.


By Pirks on 11/2/2006 2:15:19 AM , Rating: 3
I'm thinking about getting whatever is leaked to torrents in November and buying a second SATA HDD just to try it out. If I don't like it I'll just kill it and use HDD for backup. There's non-zero probability I'll buy it ASAP in January, if it really runs my DVD recoding apps and games well enough. I tried RC1 at work and I love it so far, just have to test it with my app set and some games like UFO Aftershock and Call of Cthulhu, among others.


RE: Who's jumping on this on release day
By masteraleph on 11/2/2006 8:21:17 AM , Rating: 2
I'm holding back final judgments on DX9 titles, primarily because all of the graphics drivers out there are thoroughly unfinished (we're even talking basic Aero performance and dual monitor issues, and while there's no proof that there's any slowdown due to drivers...)

That said, I won't be picking it up immediately, for two reasons:

1) I'm planning on building a new computer in late summer- figure August or so. No plan to install a copy of Vista on a 4+ year old desktop (P4 2.53, 1GB RD800...you know, top in its day, but certainly not performance now).

2) I'm hoping that Ultimate upgrade (or at least Business upgrade) shows up on MS Student Select during the spring.


RE: Who's jumping on this on release day
By Aikouka on 11/2/2006 8:21:57 AM , Rating: 1
2) If I recall, there is no upgrade to Vista Ultimate.


RE: Who's jumping on this on release day
By masteraleph on 11/2/2006 10:31:01 AM , Rating: 2
There is one (retail $259). What there is not is an Ultimate upgrade program- i.e., one where you buy XP and get a coupon. DT had a poorly titled article regarding this issue, but there is certainly an upgrade version of Ultimate.


By Aikouka on 11/2/2006 12:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh, yeah that's right. Thanks for the fix! Now I feel bad as I've just been posting misinformation today... that'll teach me to post when I'm about ready to pass out from lack of sleep :/.


RE: Who's jumping on this on release day
By PlattTechnologies on 11/2/2006 10:07:44 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, i wont be buying right away. My university also has free copies of Microsofts OS and Office for students in technology related degree programs. I think i will wait until can get it through them. They will probably distribute Vista Ultimate because today they distribute XP Pro.


By thegrimreaper3 on 11/2/2006 10:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
My college has this as well (Penn State) for all tech related majors. So i will wait untill they put it up, which dont beleive will be too long after release.


No more major delays
By NoSoftwarePatents on 11/2/2006 1:31:19 AM , Rating: 3
The United States Coast Guard just finished formal beta testing with Windows Vista last week, so there won't be any sudden shipping delays for corporate customers.

Yes, the USCG is a huge, huge "Microsoft shop" for better or for worse.

I work as a Perot Systems Government Services contractor for the USCG, so that's how I know.




RE: No more major delays
By Pirks on 11/2/2006 2:10:50 AM , Rating: 2
How do you know USCG is the number one beta tester of Vista which can sort of drive RTM date? Maybe there are other larger organizations even more important to MS? You know anything about that? I'm very curious.


RE: No more major delays
By TomZ on 11/2/2006 9:21:57 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see where the OP made those statements. I think you read too much into his/her comments.


RE: No more major delays
By NoSoftwarePatents on 11/2/2006 12:10:42 PM , Rating: 2
The USCG isn't the "number one beta tester of Vista which can sort of drive RTM date", nor did I imply anything as such. With the release date just around the corner, Microsoft already sent us an e-mail thanking us for our beta testing last week, with our "software workstation image 6.0" concerning Vista. If there were any show stoppers halting the actual release date, we'd know by now.

The USCG is important to Microsoft, but only because we are one of many dedicated large customers.


Watch it get pushed back again
By Christopher1 on 11/2/06, Rating: 0
RE: Watch it get pushed back again
By Bonrock on 11/2/2006 12:53:24 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't heard of anyone else having that problem. Did you report it to Microsoft?


RE: Watch it get pushed back again
By TomZ on 11/2/2006 9:20:47 AM , Rating: 2
There was one "showstopper" that caused them to change the code after the RC, and they fixed that (reported here on DT). I don't know if that is the same issue you're describing or not.

And no, I don't think they will delay the schedule at this point. The software is complete now and they just have to push it into their manufacturing process.


98.9% of January rounds up to February.
By braytonak on 11/2/2006 1:40:19 AM , Rating: 2
The release date is so close to February that they may as well just say the date IS February. Fits with the usual psych game they place with prices... $159.99 = $160.00.

The date is also conveniently one week before "Patch Tuesday", which gives people a week to test it and for Microsoft to release the first round of patches.

I doubt the date will get pushed back, since it's been pushed back over the course of how many years?




By TomZ on 11/2/2006 9:23:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there will be updates available before it is released into the retail channel, since it is being released to PC OEMs and some business accounts at the end of this month.


I will wait
By montgom on 11/2/2006 9:19:28 AM , Rating: 2
I am in no hurry. It offers nothing for me that XP does not already do. The licensing agreement and cost of the new OS and hardware will keep me a lurker for awhile.




RE: I will wait
By rushfan2006 on 11/2/2006 9:44:16 AM , Rating: 2
Same here...I'm in no rush. My current pc is pretty well behind the times anyway, Athlon XP 3000+, 1 gig ram, GeForce 6800 GT...I think I'll concentrate my time and money on a new system build with twice the ram, at least a 7th gen gfx card (as I can wait for G80 as well -- plus the whole saving money thing) and I may for the first time in many years go back to an Intel platform as their c2d chips are just too sexy to ignore right now.

Not to mention -- by waiting I let other folks suffer the initial problems of the OS and I wait until MS builds up a lot of hotfixes and addresses a lot of the initial issues.



Clarity
By xFlankerx on 11/2/2006 12:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
Nice to see some things becoming clearer. Some of us can finally start tell others concrete details now.




yay
By Russell on 11/2/2006 12:46:24 AM , Rating: 2
I was hoping for earlier in Jan, though this isn't too bad. Based on RC2 I'd say they can make this date with little problem.




Once MS sends the order to PR
By Shark Tek on 11/2/2006 5:28:57 AM , Rating: 2
I would love to be in the packaging plant (Puerto Rico) once MS sends the order to produce the disks.




Oy, the Conundrum
By Aikouka on 11/2/2006 8:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
Ugh, I was really hoping the RTM would be close to G80's release, so I could pick up an OEM copy of Vista and install it on a new system I was building. Now, I know some people may say, "Aikouka... you an idiot for installing Vista so early! NO tangible benefits, especially since all you do is play games and watch videos!"

Eh, for me it's a time benefit . Since I'm building a new PC to replace my 1.5 year old machine, I'd like to do everything at once. I mean, I could literally buy most of the parts now and just place my old 6800GT in the machine until G80 comes out, but that'd be just starting the chain of reconfiguring drivers after a week or so. So, I wanted to put Vista on and "be done with it." So now I'm not too sure what I'm going to do. I could always use Windows XP for the moment, but then I'd want to upgrade to Vista and then I'd end up having to waste time and money on purchasing and installing another OS. Also, building a PC and not using it for a good 3 weeks (while I wait for Vista) is just a ludicrous idea too. There's no way I could leave a sexy new machine sitting around "dead" for 3 weeks. I'd go crazy wanting to play with it :P.




Why
By gramboh on 11/2/2006 12:14:03 PM , Rating: 2
I won't be buying it on release date, maybe near the end of the 2007 year. Why?

No compelling new/useful features that will impact performance/useability/productivity. The new driver model and network stack might be good, but I doubt they will make an immediate impact.





Home Server
By knipfty on 11/2/2006 12:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm thinking of building a new server in my basement this spring. My current on is about 6 years old. It might be a great way of playing with 64bit Vista.

Then I look at the price and think maybe Ubuntu Linix might be the way to go.

It's realy great to have choices!




RE: Home Server
By michal1980 on 11/2/06, Rating: 0
Vista, the XP we need to relearn.
By HexiumVII on 11/2/2006 4:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
Running the lastest build, i'm quite surpised on how well it runs old software and drivers. There are almost no issues. It even runs my old Tablet (1st gen Toshiba) pretty quickly, even when there are no video drivers install (it actually feels faster than XP). Virtual PC beta runs fine and i'll be testing more software soon. Overall it seems like a much smoother transition than i had expected. However, i haven't really noticed any real improvements over XP, everything can easily be emulated by 3rd party apps at pretty much the same speed other than the 3D task manager, which is actually really useless. They should have stolen Macs expose. The jump will be pretty much 2000->XP, once you make it, you wouldn't want to go back.




why wait??
By leousb on 11/2/06, Rating: -1
RE: why wait??
By TomZ on 11/2/2006 9:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
We're very proud of you. I sure wish I was selfish and greedy enough use the fruit of Microsoft's labor without compensating them at all. All I can hope is that it comes full circle, and that someone else takes your life's work and doesn't pay you for it some day.


RE: why wait??
By Spivonious on 11/2/2006 10:49:37 AM , Rating: 2
Fantastic post TomZ. If there's one thing I can't stand it's the thief who brags about his crimes.


RE: why wait??
By leousb on 11/2/06, Rating: 0
RE: why wait??
By ZmaxDP on 11/2/2006 2:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
Well, you may not be bragging, but you are certainly proclaiming that you are going to be doing something illegal. It would also seem that you are a little proud about it, hence the "bragging." But, perhaps you really are just a "realist."

I don't think anyone here doubt that both product will at some point be hacked, torrented, etc... However, just because it is a reality doesn't mean its right, or even ok. People die, its a reality, that doesn't mean you should kill someone. That kind of logic is pretty shameful.

I don't hope that someone steals your life work, I just hope MS sues your ass once you've pirated their software and you loose everything you've got. That will be justice.


RE: why wait??
By kkwst2 on 11/2/2006 5:57:34 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, that's a little extreme. You hope he loses everything he's got because he steals a $200 piece of software? Or did you really mean loose? Perhaps you just hope his clothes don't fit quite as well.

I guess you'd execute carjackers? Are you from Singapore?


RE: why wait??
By wind79 on 11/2/2006 8:52:38 PM , Rating: 2
Where are you from man? We dont execute people for carjacking. There are still pirates here in Singapore, just that its extremely hard to find one in the open now.


RE: why wait??
By smaddox on 11/2/06, Rating: 0
RE: why wait??
By deeznuts on 11/2/2006 1:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
RE: why wait??
By Hydrofirex on 11/2/2006 1:02:24 PM , Rating: 1
OK, everyone, take a deep breath and take this in: People pirate software. It's a personal moral decision. I have to again say that if he is happy with the software, and has no moral reservations about his actions, then let him be. I do have to say that pirating a product like an OS is not morally justifiable and is pretty much stealing from a lot of hard working programmers who have very little recourse to seek reimbursement for their effort. Of course, on the other hand, I don't exactly see M$ hurting for the sales....

At any rate, M$ has done a good job making sure that people have to deal with a lot of hassle, and don't have access to the updates, when pirating. This is going to be fine and dandy until the critical updates start rolling in for Vista, and this guy is stuck with an OS he can't update. Again, can any of you imagine having to use XP without SP2? Sure, eventually he'll be able to pirate a new 'SP2' out of the box version of Vista, but to use it he'll have to reinstall his entire OS. At this point the rest of us have just sat through a 20 minutes download and install process and are moving on with out lives.

HfX


RE: why wait??
By leousb on 11/2/2006 1:17:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
is pretty much stealing from a lot of hard working programmers
Those hard working programmers actually have a determined income and hardly have "bonuses" over sales (they aren´t Swarzenegger or anything who collects a cut from the box office, etc).
quote:
Of course, on the other hand, I don't exactly see M$ hurting for the sales....
You are completely right here, do you think M$ doesn´t take pirated % of copys into the price of their products??
quote:
At any rate, M$ has done a good job making sure that people have to deal with a lot of hassle, and don't have access to the updates, when pirating. This is going to be fine and dandy until the critical updates start rolling in for Vista, and this guy is stuck with an OS he can't update. Again, can any of you imagine having to use XP without SP2? Sure, eventually he'll be able to pirate a new 'SP2' out of the box version of Vista, but to use it he'll have to reinstall his entire OS. At this point the rest of us have just sat through a 20 minutes download and install process and are moving on with out lives.
Kinda right here, though I wouldn´t mind doing a fresh install of an OS every now and then, it´s even a good way to keep your system "healthy" and even then 100% sure the updates will be pirated too (Not that I do the pirating i Just use it).
Later . . .


RE: why wait??
By ZmaxDP on 11/2/2006 2:41:33 PM , Rating: 3
Wow, more shameful logic. "My stealing isn't hurting the 'little guys'" No, but if a thousand people pirate the software instead of buying it, that is an entire salary for several 'little guys' and regardless of your take on business ethics if MS makes less money it won't employ as many people.

Oh, Oh! You're like the guy that throes trash out his window because "one little plastic bag won't hurt." Yet when 1000 people do it all of a sudden we've got a problem.

Look, justify it to yourself however you may. The fact is that you're doing what is convenient for you, and disregarding the rest of society. You're right that they factor in piracy into their costs. If people didn't pirate I wouldn't have to pay more for my OS so that crooks like you can get theirs for free. Hopefully for your sake one of these days you'll figure it out. If not, you'll eventually end up in jail or have a nice hefty fine to pay. Either way I'll be pleased as punch. - I'm feeling a bit vindictive today can't you tell?


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