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Four bars, gripping the sides of the iPhone 4

One bar with bottom left of iPhone 4 resting in palm
Steve Jobs responds to complaints about iPhone reception issues

Gizmodo has a thread with nearly 2,000 posts, Engadget is pushing 900 posts, and Mac Rumors is nearing 1,000 posts with regards to iPhone 4 reception issues. I have witnessed the same issues with the iPhone 4 that I picked up this morning (yet don't have any such reception issues with an HTC EVO 4G that I am currently testing or a year-old iPhone 3GS). The iPhone 4 starts off having 4 to 5 bars sitting by itself on a table, but if you pick the phone up and “palm it”, you may drop down to 1 bar or even get a “No Service” message.

For those that have just plunked down $200 or $300 on a new iPhone 4 (or more if you are upgrading before your contract is eligible), having your cellular connection drop out while doing something as simple as holding the phone in your hand is unacceptable.

However, according to Apple CEO Steve Jobs, those who are having reception issues are just holding their phone incorrectly. A reader sent an email to Steve Jobs stating that his new iPhone 4 was having receptions issues when holding it his hand. In typical Jobs fashion, his response was short and to the point according to Engadget:

Just avoid holding it that way.

Apple's official stance on the issue is the following:

Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.

So Apple made a phone with an external antenna that has problems with reception when it comes in contact with the human body, then blames the consumer for holding the iPhone 4 in a perfectly reasonable fashion. This seems to be a very puzzling and troubling statement from the boys from Cupertino which sounds more like a hardware design problem than a "you're holding it wrong" problem.

Interestingly enough, a user over at Apple Insider has a photo montage from Apple's iPhone 4 commercials that seems to contradict Jobs' "avoid holding it that way" comment.

And the little notation about using a case to fix what is at the heart a hardware issue also is a bit interesting as well. The bumper case for the iPhone 4 is the first iPhone case direct from Apple that we can recall -- possibly it was made available to mask the reception problems.


Updated 6/27/2010 @ 10:48 am

Steve Jobs has responded to another customer's email; this time with an even more perplexing statement:

There are no reception issues. Stay Tuned. 

First Jobs said that you should try holding the iPhone 4 a different way, then an official statement said that reception can be an problem depending on how you hold the phone and suggested users buy a case, and now Jobs is saying there are no reception issues. 

I guess we may have to wait until sometime this week when Apple is expected to release a software fix for the reception issues.

 



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Really?
By bfdd on 6/24/2010 11:24:27 PM , Rating: 5
So we don't want flash and we don't know how to hold our phones. Thanks Apple for telling me exactly what I need and how to use it. Without you I would have no idea how to live my life.




RE: Really?
By mmntech on 6/24/2010 11:38:29 PM , Rating: 5
Steve Jobs = Douche

Might as well get strait to the point. No sense in a long rant this time.


RE: Really?
By spartan014 on 6/25/2010 12:09:17 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe they can create an app for that.. To tell people how to hold their iPhones. :-)


RE: Really?
By xsilver on 6/25/2010 1:52:35 AM , Rating: 5
I'd rather an app that reminds me that jobs is a douche.


RE: Really?
By messyunkempt on 6/25/2010 6:23:02 AM , Rating: 5
You'd be more likely to find an app that reminds you to breathe first, as it's less obvious...


RE: Really?
By MrBlastman on 6/25/2010 8:47:59 AM , Rating: 6
Steve Jobs on the cusp of his next, great, big prophetic announcement, takes a sip of bottled water (that fish pee'd in), wipes his brow and steps up to the podium, clearing the phlegmn out of the back of his throat in a cool, slick manner before he begins to speak.

"People, friends, fellow acolytes, today, here, I have something I would like you to see."

Steve pauses for a moment, looking far out into the crowds, watching their eyes grow wider than saucers and speckles of saliva form on their lips. Steve smiles calmly.

"You're going to like this, it will change everything. You will never look at things the same again."

The mouths in the audience begin to open, their breathing increases and their pulses began to accelerate, evidenced by the pulsating arteries in their necks. Steve's smile slowly fades to a more serious grin.

"Today, I present to you, the i-Grip. It is a revolutionary way to... hold a phone."

The crowd gasps! Their minds race in a furor, analyzing every single word that just pursed steves lips into their auditory canals. They scrambled to make sense of every vowel, syllable and consonant.

"You see, we've all been doing it wrong. We've been enslaved for far too long." Steve's grin faded to a serious expression. He held out an i-Phone for everyone to see. The people in the crowd leaned forward, their eyes nearly popping out of their sockets, the rhythmic pulsing in their necks now beginning to thunder with voracious unison.

Steve paused again, holding the phone out with his black-sleeved arm, looking smugly outward as his turtleneck comforted his flock. With a wiggle of his pinky finger he then began to shuffle his hand. Within seconds his grip had changed, his grasp was firm, yet delecately embraced the phone, cradling it with his clenched love.

"The i-Grip, try it, you're going to love it." He smiled widely, teeth glinting through his lips as the sides of his mouth cracked open devilishly.

The crowd erupted in euphoria! Jobs had spoken. It had been said, and thus it had been done! So shall it be written that the i-Grip is their salvation from bondage!


RE: Really?
By yxalitis on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: Really?
By paydirt on 6/29/2010 11:09:47 AM , Rating: 2
...Announcing the iLefty, a phone that can be held normally by a left-handed person!


RE: Really?
By bplewis24 on 6/25/2010 10:37:32 AM , Rating: 2
6 him.

Brandon


RE: Really?
By hyvonen on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: Really?
By djkrypplephite on 6/25/2010 10:59:12 AM , Rating: 5
You should write a sensual apple novel and sell it to all those idiots.


RE: Really?
By Mk4ever on 6/27/2010 11:39:12 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
You should write a sensual apple novel and sell it to all those idiots.


Don't you mean: iDiot(s)™ ??


RE: Really?
By geekman1024 on 6/27/2010 10:49:09 PM , Rating: 4
Apple won't approve that app.


RE: Really?
By VooDooAddict on 6/28/2010 1:32:06 AM , Rating: 2
Google or Palm would.


RE: Really?
By geekman1024 on 6/28/2010 11:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
He said "sell to those iDiots", so I guess Android users are excluded. ;)


RE: Really?
By iFX on 6/25/2010 1:21:15 PM , Rating: 3
6


RE: Really?
By Belard on 6/25/2010 6:36:58 PM , Rating: 3
iPooped


RE: Really?
By rubbahbandman on 6/28/2010 5:19:02 PM , Rating: 4
iJizzed


RE: Really?
By messyunkempt on 6/26/2010 1:46:58 PM , Rating: 4
lol seriously dude, its hard to crack a smile when its 6.45pm and im stuck in my office on a saturday night while all my friends are out boozing in the 28 degree heat but i, quite literally, lolled at that post. Sincerest thanks for making my day a little brighter :)


RE: Really?
By MartyLK on 6/27/10, Rating: -1
RE: Really?
By Alexvrb on 6/27/2010 11:54:33 AM , Rating: 5
Tech fanatics? Most of them are sheep who don't know a damned thing about technology. Reading your post made me shake my head in disgust. I don't hate Apple fans, I feel sorry for them - yourself included.


RE: Really?
By retrospooty on 6/27/2010 12:49:44 PM , Rating: 4
The very thought that any Apple fan thinks they are tech savvy is hilarious. Apple's business model is to sell overly expensive tech to the non tech savvy.

Dont get me wrong, its a great business model and Jobs has obviuoly made acompany that is making moey had over fist - kudo's.

We also ALL owe Apple a debt of gratitude for forcing the rest of the industry to step up their games on mobile OS and UI. They really made a change on that front. Thank you Apple.

But to say Apple fans are tech savvy is just retarded. They are almost opposite. They are people "interested" in tech, but not at all educated in it.


RE: Really?
By kkwst2 on 7/1/2010 8:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
That's not completely true. There are certainly very tech savvy Mac people in every sense of the work, and those people tend to gravitate toward the iPhone because it integrates so well. Maybe they're drowned out by the lemmings, but they're out there.


RE: Really?
By pyrosity on 7/1/2010 9:01:18 AM , Rating: 2
Strictly speaking, Anand Lal Shimpi is an "Apple fan," an "appreciator" of the company. I hold that position as well.

Perhaps you are speaking of Apple "fanboys." It is not hard to see that Apple rules over its devices with an iron grip, and can be downright ridiculous when justifying its staunch positions. But for myself and many others, being tech savvy does not have to include a bias against a company which has so thoroughly advanced and developed various technology sectors, as DT user retrospooty has pointed out.

I sense a great deal of generalization and stereotype in this thread. Let us show that being tech savvy need not disallow being savvy in logical argument or in ethical treatment of others.


RE: Really?
By chick0n on 6/27/10, Rating: 0
RE: Really?
By zinfamous on 6/27/2010 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 4
I would support this 6, if only you had maintained proper tense throughout the anecdote. It goes from present, to past, back to present...sometime in the same damn paragraph.

sorry, bro.

:P


RE: Really?
By johnsonx on 6/27/2010 4:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
lol, I noticed that too. It wasn't as good in past tense either.


RE: Really?
By MrBlastman on 6/28/2010 9:16:40 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for pointing that out. :) I wrote it early in the morning and wasn't awake yet so I didn't really proofread it at all.


RE: Really?
By hyvonen on 6/28/2010 2:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
Grammar Hell will welcome you with open arms.


RE: Really?
By nvalhalla on 6/25/2010 9:04:55 AM , Rating: 4
I don't think that would be approved for the App Store, so no dice.


RE: Really?
By xsilver on 6/25/2010 9:25:35 AM , Rating: 3
The app already exists! (spoken alarm clock + rss reader)

BUZZ BUZZ - The time is 8:22 AM, BP oil spill threatens gulf... Steve Jobs is a douche...


RE: Really?
By Luticus on 6/25/2010 10:14:02 AM , Rating: 2
It's called iTunes...


RE: Really?
By Helbore on 6/25/2010 3:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
You need an app to remind you of that?


RE: Really?
By zonkie on 6/25/2010 2:19:42 AM , Rating: 5
If you have to hold the phone to use it, they blew it. If they have a left hand, they blew it.


RE: Really?
By MonkeyPaw on 6/25/2010 7:50:59 AM , Rating: 5
I use my left hand to hold my phone all the time, and I'm not left-handed. This is a huge design oversight, as most righties probably do the same. You see, quite often you use your weaker hand to do easier tasks (like holding a phone to your ear), so you can free up your stronger hand to do more demanding tasks, like writing, or using a mouse. How could then NOT have discovered this in testing? Maybe this phone was designed for Lefties? How sinister. ;)


RE: Really?
By tastyratz on 6/25/2010 8:36:21 AM , Rating: 5
+1 for team devils paw. HAHA suckers. You guys got baseball gloves when we were kids, so its about time we got something.


RE: Really?
By plowak on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: Really?
By erple2 on 6/25/2010 7:24:59 PM , Rating: 3
Those sorts of things are specifically banned on the App store, so I think you're lying..


RE: Really?
By Pitbull0669 on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: Really?
By jbwhite99 on 6/25/2010 1:57:54 PM , Rating: 3
actually, the reason that the phone works for Steve is because of the metal plate in his head. It cut off the part of the brain that requires reasoning, and gives compassion for anything but oneself...

Steve and AT&T, I'll hold my Droid however I want, thank you very much.


RE: Really?
By MartyLK on 6/27/10, Rating: -1
RE: Really?
By Farfignewton on 6/27/2010 5:29:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would rather walk down the street squishing a pile of cat sh*t in my hand than own an Android POS.


Don't bother buying an Android phone, we will send you piles of cat sh*t to squish - no purchase necessary.


RE: Really?
By mcnabney on 6/28/2010 10:20:20 AM , Rating: 3
Now that was some serious trolling.


RE: Really?
By Newspapercrane on 6/29/2010 10:51:59 AM , Rating: 1
I want a phone that runs DOS!


RE: Really?
By wiz220 on 6/25/2010 3:08:20 PM , Rating: 5
Seriously! Only Jobs could get away with being so dismissive directly to customers. Any other CEO would have to publicly apologize for being such a dick and might have to step down. How can any of these fanboys believe that Jobs gives two $h!t$ about them?


RE: Really?
By MartyLK on 6/27/10, Rating: -1
RE: Really?
By B3an on 6/27/2010 9:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
You're a great example of an iSheep. People like you only serve to make more people hate apple even more.

If you really like Apple you should just STFU as you're doing them no favour at all.

And grow up you little prick.


RE: Really?
By damianrobertjones on 6/28/2010 3:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
Are you the brand new troll on this board?

Seriously, apple can and do make good products but PLEEAASSEEE realise that they have faults like all other manufacturers.

Being blind means that you can be taken for a fool.


RE: Really?
By Newspapercrane on 6/29/2010 10:56:46 AM , Rating: 3
Steve, is that you?


RE: Really?
By Newspapercrane on 6/29/2010 10:57:25 AM , Rating: 3
Is that you, Steve?


RE: Really?
By amanojaku on 6/24/2010 11:38:44 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry, but you seem to be a little confused. Where did you get the idea that a hand-held phone was supposed to be held with your hands? ;-)


RE: Really?
By chick0n on 6/24/2010 11:46:10 PM , Rating: 4
People are stupid enough to still think Apple's product is magical/evolutionary.

Its so special that you can't hold a fucking phone's bottom area. you can only hold it by the mid to top section of the phone! Wow

Fuck you Steve Jobs, and yeah of course Fuck you Apple/APPL. and thank you dumb fucks for supporting such ignorant company.


RE: Really?
By lecanard on 6/25/2010 2:13:17 AM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs is just doing a little medieval role-playing. In the middle ages, it is said that people thought left-handed people were possessed or evil or something like that (which is why the latin word "sinestra" (meaning "left") led to today's definition of sinister).

Clearly, Steve Jobs is making his phone unusable by left-handed people in a homage to the beliefs of medieval society.

But seriously, wasn't reception the point of having the metal bad go all the way around the phone? Why then can it be blocked at one point?


RE: Really?
By Dr of crap on 6/25/2010 8:43:45 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry you've missed the point above about right handed people holding their cell in their LEFT hand, thus making the reception problem!
And by the way I've had a number of cell phones and have mostly held them in my left hand, and I have HAD NO RECEPTION ISSUES when holding them like that.
I would have major issues with a cell that did behave that way!
Apple has majorly screwed this one up!!


RE: Really?
By hughlle on 6/25/2010 6:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
this is just priceless :) previously apple vs debates could largely be argued to infinity purely on opinion, now though. bahahaaa, love it.

ironically though i can talk of a similar kind of experience with my htc deire, i seem to have a habbit of hitting the end call button on the screen with my cheek :P


RE: Really?
By FITCamaro on 6/25/2010 6:59:19 AM , Rating: 5
He must've taken that play from Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

They know what we need and how to do things better than we do too.


RE: Really?
By Quadrillity on 6/25/2010 11:45:49 AM , Rating: 2
It's a shame that you got down-rated for making a true statement.


RE: Really?
By mcnabney on 6/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Really?
By bplewis24 on 6/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: Really?
By Gungel on 6/25/2010 7:25:51 AM , Rating: 5
I see a recall in Apples future. I wonder how long it will take Apple to fix over 1 million faulty phones?


RE: Really?
By Camikazi on 6/25/2010 10:14:14 AM , Rating: 5
They won't they knew of this, why else would they make their first iPhone 4 "case" a bumper that just happens to fix this issue when used and sell it for $30? They knew of the problem and instead of delaying iPhone 4 release date they decided to try and make money of their mistake and sell the bumper "case".


RE: Really?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/25/2010 10:15:49 AM , Rating: 5
My thoughts exactly. I was wondering why Apple all of a sudden started making a case for the iPhone -- they never did for the previous generation iPhones.

Now it all makes sense


RE: Really?
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 10:31:57 AM , Rating: 5
It's disgusting.

Apple should at least offer these "bumpers" free with their iPhones. Instead they're cashing in on their own mistake and people will be stupid enough to buy them.

People should boycott Apple. Unfortunately this will never happen.


RE: Really?
By bfdd on 6/25/2010 2:32:28 PM , Rating: 5
There's already a class action law suit against Apple and ATT over the bait and switch which was the iPad 3g unlimited data plan. Won't be long until people form one against Apple on this. It's pretty obvious what they're doing and only someone willfully ignorant would let it slide.


RE: Really?
By TSS on 6/26/2010 10:09:48 AM , Rating: 5
That brings up a good point, Apple's is needed in this world.

Natural selection. Those who pick a tasty apple live and those who take an apple from a strange old man in a turtle neck are going to end up in a glass box.


RE: Really?
By scavio on 6/25/2010 1:32:40 PM , Rating: 3
I guess they needed a way to pay for those raises they gave those poor factory workers.


RE: Really?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/25/2010 8:47:36 AM , Rating: 4
maybe i'm "thinking" too much....

wouldn't it be easier to put the antenna in the TOP of the phone? you know...where people don't tend to grab it?


RE: Really?
By Sazar on 6/27/2010 1:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
That would be one way to go about it. Not sure how the software fix thing will work, if it's even real.

In real world use, my ip4 works great, reception is indeed a LOT better than before (but when you start at rock bottom, you can only go up right?).

The phone IS a conversation starter, people know what it is and for anyone like me who moved from the old 3G, it is indeed a HUGE upgrade.

The camera is still shoddy, but amazingly you can take great pictures even in very low-light situations. The screen is much better than advertised and the speed is brilliant but... the glass on both sides makes it fragile, the lack of widgets is glaring and the various issues like the yellowing screen (which I have not experienced) and the antennae issues is annoying.

As far as why I purchased the phone? It was an upgrade and I get a massive discount through my workplace for AT&T and therefore it makes it worth it. Plus the chica wants one and that sort of over-rides everything else :(


RE: Really?
By mcnabney on 6/28/2010 10:18:19 AM , Rating: 4
A software fix cannot address a short in the antenna.

However, a software fix can cover up the dropping bars.


RE: Really?
By justjc on 6/28/2010 6:17:19 AM , Rating: 2
If you put the antenna in the top the radiation rating(SAR value) will be higher, as it's measured at the ear, which is a reason why most modern mobiles have decided to put their antennas near the bottom.

The problem with the iPhone 4 is rather that Apple forgot to make a backup system, in the case that their antenna was interfered by human presence. If they had a backup antenna or enabled the antennas to take over for each other there would be little to no problems.

I wonder if Apple will blame Gray Powell for this one, after all he was "... an Apple Software Engineer working on the iPhone Baseband Software, the little program that enables the iPhone to make calls." according to Gizmodo.


RE: Really?
By bodar on 6/25/2010 9:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you know?! The iPhone 4 is meant to be held as an aristocrat would: "when in doubt, pinky out." *sneer* ;)


RE: Really?
By bediezel on 6/29/2010 10:13:26 PM , Rating: 3
It's like Toyota giving out a statement saying, "Avoid driving with your foot on the accelerator, it might get stuck"!!!!!


So where is he
By solarrocker on 6/25/2010 7:27:48 AM , Rating: 3
So where is Reader1, with his link about Google for the 100th time, and his usual gospel about Apple? Guess when Apple gets shown to be as usually completely incompetent with their "features" he runs like the other apple fan boys all following Steve in the great conga line of "Lets hold our hands over our ears and go lalalala".

I bet Steve added this as a "feature" so that all Apple fan boys will get the same shaped hands for easy spotting in public. This together with his tracking on the phone he will be able to bring his acolytes into the light of the rotting fruit of his loins, which is most likely why he needs their hands like that to help him beat off his monkey**.

**”I have a great sex life” Steve Jobs




RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By solarrocker on 6/25/2010 9:12:01 AM , Rating: 2
Actually pirks, your posts most of the times are thought out and do have some points. While I may or may not agree on them doesn't mean they might still be valid view points on the subject, which is why they increase discussion value.

While on the other hand reader1 seems more like an Apple Bot just randomly posting garbage that has no value what so ever and he should most likely attempt a home version of Ienema.


RE: So where is he
By Anoxanmore on 6/25/2010 10:18:59 AM , Rating: 3
You are giving Pirks way too much credit.


RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 10:35:37 AM , Rating: 4
Pirks is a godsend compared to reader1


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By solarrocker on 6/25/2010 10:40:12 AM , Rating: 3
Not really, look at his posts, many are not even near negative.

Now look at reader1, he basically can change his name to Reader-1.

The reasons for this is pretty easy to understand. Pirks at least gives his reason for his postings. Reader1 reasons are only known to himself.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/2010 10:57:26 AM , Rating: 2
maybe reader1 is affiliated with RIAA/MPAA/MAFIAA or something 'cause his posts usually promote closed anti-piracy systems, he mourns open systems that will die eventually. either that or he's economist and knows some stuff we don't. I don't think he's just a really dumb freak, he doesn't sound like that, mostly...


RE: So where is he
By B3an on 6/27/2010 9:33:54 PM , Rating: 2
"I don't think he's just a really dumb freak, he doesn't sound like that, mostly..."

What?! My feces has more brain cells than him.

If he had a single brain cell he would realise that his posts just make himself and apple look bad, and would not post at all.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/28/2010 10:32:06 AM , Rating: 2
his thoughts on closed systems prevailing turned out to be 100% true so far, think about it


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By Tony Swash on 6/25/2010 11:01:40 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I wish Tony Swash told us something about iphone 4. Tony, you can show us many other phones like nexus one or nokia 6320 having exact same problems with reception when you hold them wrong, why don't ya do that?


Voila!

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thre...


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 11:14:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Does the truth about other crappy phones like this Nexus One REALLY hurt you, wintrolls?
So you're saying the iPhone 4 is crappy?


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 12:31:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why MS lost this round AGAIN? Apple sells fix, MS does not. Fail?
Huh? I'm sorry, Microsoft failed because they have no simple fix for the Xbox, whilst Apple have one for their iPhone?

I hate to break it to you, my friend, but they're entirely different markets, and both products which I don't own and have no intention of doing so.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 12:55:12 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
always relate to other things, don't do absolutistic statements. Common sense, isn't it?
Well then at least compare it to a product within the same market, such as the Nexus One. Pulling defective products out your ass to make a half baked point is hardly common sense. It just makes you seem as though you're trying to justify the mistakes of the company in question.

My point was Apple failed with their antenna design. What more is there to say?

That's common sense.

What isn't common sense is purchasing a product with known faults. The less people buy, the more the manufacturer is forced to make changes.

Allowing a company (this goes for Apple, Microsoft, and any other company) to successfully sell a defective product couldn't be more senseless. You're left with inferior products whilst the manufacturer is laughing its ass off all the way to the bank with your hard earned money.

The fact that I don't own these products is because of their failures (amongst other things). I'm not going to hand my hard earned money over to companies that can't do their job right.

Satisfied?


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 1:43:55 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I used Nexus One too, to show that iPhone 4 is hardly the only one on the market having this kind of reception problems. Also I shown WAY worse products from Apple competitors (of sorts) like Xbox Slim for instance. So yes, I'm satisfied with these two counterexamples.
Again, it seems you're justifying Apple's failures due to their competitors failures.
quote:
It is common sense if the product compensates its faults by something else, which is the case for iPhone 4.
How can a phone compensate by not being able to make calls? Whilst I agree that some shortcomings can be compensated, this one cannot.
quote:
The difference however is that MS doesn't give a fuck about their customers, while Apple at least provides some cheapo 30 dollar fix. That's better than NOTHING like in MS case, see?
If Apple cared in the least bit they would provide these "bumpers" for free. No company cares less about its customers than Apple. Steve Jobs even had the audacity to blame how his customers hold the damn thing!


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 3:32:42 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Seen any ideal device absolutely without flaws?
No, but I can name plenty that don't have faults that affect the basic and most fundamental functionality of the device.

quote:
If it's easily fixable with a bumper case people won't take it as a huge disadvantage.
Maybe not, but such an accessory should be optional, not required in order for the device to function correctly.

quote:
If they discovered that most people tend to hold their phones by the upper part then this wouldn't make economical sense. Why include free solution for minority? Minority will pay extra $30 and majority will pay 0 'cause they just hold the phone by its upper section naturally, without any special training.
It's natural to hold such a device at the bottom. That's where most of the user interaction lies. Using the virtual keyboard, using the home button, using the dock....

To say that it's natural to hold a mobile phone at the top is just absurd. So this would not be catering to the minority of consumers.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 4:08:00 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I'd agree if iPhone were totally unable to call anyone, ever. But what we have seems to be very, very different case.
I agree that it's a different case, but what we have here is a high-end phone that costs an awful lot of money. For it to have this sort of shortcoming is just unacceptable.

I thought when it came to Apple products, you don't have to change the way you do things in order to adapt to the device. The device adapts to the user. But Jobs is telling people to avoid using the device held at the bottom left(which is of course, the most natural place to hold a phone for those that use their phone left-handed). It just screams hypocrisy.

quote:
If iPhone indeed TOTALLY STOPS working for most consumers they'll just return it, big deal. I don't see any issue here.
Of course it's a big deal. People shouldn't have to retun a device they paid out the rectum for due to a basic design flaw. Or perhaps you have a point.... if consumers are aware of this problem yet still choose to purchase the phone, then it's not so much of a big deal, as they have taken the risk.

But the fact remains....this problem shouldn't exist.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 5:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, lefties will have to pay extra $30 for the phone. Big deal.
Not only left-handed people use their phones in their left hand. I think you'll find that many right-handed people also do. As for me, I use my phone in my right hand but I am left-handed.

The Xbox 360 slim scratches your games when you move it. Just don't move it. Issue fixed. Big deal.
quote:
but noone trolls about them here, ever wondered why?
Because devices like the Nokia 6230 don't have the mass hysteria, price tag and cult following of the iPhone. See the difference?


RE: So where is he
By Riven98 on 6/27/2010 11:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
themaster08's average posting score just went way up.
Pirks'...well, could it have gone lower?


RE: So where is he
By Tony Swash on 6/28/2010 1:22:08 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I agree that it's a different case, but what we have here is a high-end phone that costs an awful lot of money. For it to have this sort of shortcoming is just unacceptable.


Unacceptable to who?

Apparently 1.7 million people don't care and another 10 million plus this coming quarter won't care. All the huffing and puffing can't change the fact that Apple kit is hugely popular.

Saying you don't like Apple kit is just fine, saying everyone else doesn't really like Apple kit whilst Apple sells products as fast as they can make them is just pathetic.

quote:
Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim.
- George Santayana


RE: So where is he
By croc on 6/25/2010 9:31:37 PM , Rating: 4
OK, Pirks.... Against my better judgement, I'll feed the troll.

Say you just bought a new car, and notice that if you do something, the car reacts by turning off the engine. So, you go back to the dealer, complain, only yo be told that the issue you are experiencing was due to how you drive, and X% of people would never see that issue. However, for $XX.XX, they can sell you a 'fix' that will hide the issue. Are you happy? You just spent some serious bikkies on this car, only to be told that you drive wrong...


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: So where is he
By Maiyr on 6/27/2010 1:20:19 PM , Rating: 1
OK, I mean sorry to use this acronym, but this truly deserves an LOL !

"majority will pay 0 'cause they just hold the phone by its upper section naturally, without any special training"

I am confident that you have this backwards. Look around at people holding their cells. Most people hold it toward the bottom; not toward the top. Number one, holding it toward the bottom allows you to grip the phone less tightly therefore making it less taxing to hold for longer periods of time. Number two, holding it at the bottom prevents the phone from accidentally sliping out of your hands like it can when holding it only at the top.

"they just hold the phone by its upper section naturally"

I'll even have to go as far as to give this an actual ROFLMAO. Again, excuse my use of such childish things.


RE: So where is he
By rocky12345 on 6/25/2010 2:30:25 PM , Rating: 3
Cheap drugs I guess huh.

Oh & if you are foolish enough to whip your game console around while it is reading the disk you deserve to have that disk scratched. These disks spin at very high speeds so movement will send them off balance. Not only does this happen to things like the xbox but pretty much any other device that has a high speed drive in it. So get off the glue & stop trying to be such a stupid fool already.

As for the Apple response to their low signals because your holding the phone wrong umm yea whatever maybe they should have made the phone better then this would not have happened. My Nokia uses the same signals as the iPhone to make calls & it never drops calls because I hold it wrong. I guess if a product like the iPhone has cheaper parts inside it we should expect this. Oh & yep they should include the bumper thing in the iPhone 4 kits from now on & send all those that bought the phone already free ones.

Apple knew they had a problem with the phone yet they choose to release it this way the fault is Apples not because people are holding the phone wrong. Yes there are other companies with the same problem & yes they are also at fault not the customer.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 3:36:27 PM , Rating: 3
He said at high speed, not shitslow PS3 Blu Ray that had already loaded the game.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 4:25:02 PM , Rating: 3
The question is....why would you want to move the system whilst it's playing games?

These machines are supposed to be kept stationary.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 5:06:13 PM , Rating: 3
As opposed to the iPhone, which is supposed to be under that category of "decently made product", however has a moumental antenna flaw and yellowing screens.

If regurgitating Microsoft's failures help you to forget the failures of the iPhone 4 then more power to you.

The way I see it, both companies fucked up. However this article is about Apple. End of discussion.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 5:20:57 PM , Rating: 4
Look at this video of a comparison between the HTC EVO 4G vs iPhone 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULv-0xcciFE&feature...

Skip to 1m 54s and you will notice that the reviewer holds the phone at the bottom left for just a few short seconds and it starts dropping signal bars.

That is simply unacceptable. Stop defending Apple. They're in the wrong on this one. That's all there is to it.


RE: So where is he
By Newspapercrane on 6/30/2010 1:18:31 PM , Rating: 1
I think they should put a warning label on the iPhone 4 that says "Don't hold me when I make calls."


RE: So where is he
By rocky12345 on 6/25/2010 9:30:07 PM , Rating: 1
I didn't mention the PS3 because it has a disk drive that spins at a lower rate you can not compare apples to oranges. Any DVD or Cd drive is going to scratch the disk if it is moved while it id spinning at high RPM. They do this because the disks go off balance from the high RPM's they are spinning at.


RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:28:32 PM , Rating: 5
Your stupidity is astounding.

If Apple sold a phone with a 6" nail sticking out of it, such that you would stick the nail in your ear when answering the phone, you'd declare it to be "just fine" if they also sold a knitted "protective cover" for the 6" nail. And then, as always, you'd try to divert attention from the fact that Apple sucks by saying something about some other product from some other company that has nothing to do with the current discussion...

If you were the pope, you'd have a discussion like this:

Reporter: "Pope, what are you doing about all the clergy who are raping young boys?"
PirksPope: "Look, we gave them condoms, so STFU. Besides, Linsey Lohan is doing a porno film, so what's with all the Catholic Church hate?"


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By eskimospy on 6/25/2010 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
Stop being an idiot. First, the new Iphone's crappiness has nothing to do with whether or not the new Xbox is crappy. Second, even if it did the flaw in the new xbox does not occur during normal operation, while the Iphone's flaw is caused by HOLDING IT.

Dude, just take a step back for a second and realize how colossally stupid Apple was in this case. Their phones become unusable when their customers hold it in a normal way, then they blame the customer instead of their own poor design, and THEN say that they'll do them a favor and sell them an additional accessory for $30 to make up for their shitty design to begin with.

It's a huge mistake and you know it. Trying to deflect onto another company so that your beloved Apple doesn't look bad is stupid. Stop it.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 3:02:12 PM , Rating: 5
There's no wrong way to hold a phone. GTFO you indescribable moron.

If there is any possible way that holding a phone would trigger a problem caused by a design flaw, the fault is in the phone - not the holder.

You are such a colossal failure it boggles the mind. Which you don't have...so no fear of boggling.


RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 3:00:28 PM , Rating: 2
The point that you're trying to ignore, because you have no valid ground to stand on with your Appleocrity, is that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT ANY OTHER PRODUCT FROM ANY OTHER COMPANY IS OR IS NOT DOING.

Get this through your braindead head: it wouldn't matter if XBoxes carried the plague, ass-raped your dog, and hacked into your credit cards and bankrupted you. That would have NO BEARING on the fact that Apple products suck.

You are just trying to divert attention from the cockenballs lodged in your throat. Steve Jobs may be providing the only nutrition you ever get, one lovin' spoonful at a time, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to go on that diet too.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 3:48:41 PM , Rating: 2
Predictably enough, fail in the first sentence:

quote:
It’s been revealed that if you hold an iPhone 4 incorrectly while on a phone call, you can interfere with the built in antenna.


There is no wrong way to hold a phone. And if there is, it is due to a horrifically idiotic design flaw in the phone itself.

FAILING APPLE APOLOGISTS FAIL.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 4:08:16 PM , Rating: 2
Nope. Maybe you should try reading my post, and understand that there categorically can not be a "wrong" way to hold a phone. It's a phone - you should be able to hold it any damn way you want to. And if you hold a phone in some certain way and it ceases to function, then there is something terribly wrong with that phone.

No one is surprised that you lack the metal faculties to realize this blindingly obvious truth.

You are catastrophically stupid.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 4:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
...you are demonstrating how you are a total failure as a human being by continuing to try to defend this massive design flaw as being "ok."

You believe that it is OK that "most" users of a phone won't trigger a design flaw that causes them to not be able to use it as a phone? Do you honestly not have any idea how indescribably moronic that position is?

Pick your favorite restaurant. Would it be OK with you if "most" of the food served there didn't make you sick? Would you continue to eat there, granted that only "some" of the people who eat there get sick?


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: So where is he
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 5:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's a lie, you just get case/bumper or move your hand and you can use it. That's IF you are that tiny minority.


Psst...it's not acceptable for the end user to have to fix a major design flaw for the manufacturer. It's not "OK" to tell those people "just STFU and spend another $30 to use your already wildly-overpriced toy."

As for the restaurant, you know what I mean. If a restaurant had a solid reputation for making 20% of its customers sick, you wouldn't eat there. But as always, you try to avoid the issue.


RE: So where is he
By rocky12345 on 6/25/2010 9:23:35 PM , Rating: 2
+10 you hit the nail on the head Motoman but of coarse pirks or reader1 will never admit that Apple made a design flaw in the phone they will just keep saying things like only a few people will notice the problem or buy a bumper for the phone etc etc etc.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/28/2010 10:42:34 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
If a restaurant had a solid reputation for making 20% of its customers sick, you wouldn't eat there. But as always, you try to avoid the issue.
But as always you can't prove that at least 20% of iPhone users are gong to SERIOUSLY suffer from this antenna problem.

And for those who suffer it's going to be MUCH less painful to buy a cheapo case that fixes this for good than to go back to some ugly Android 1.x or that famous EVO 4G that sucks buttery dry in JUST A FEW HOURS or God forbid WinMo or Symbian that they hate passionately.

I told you many times that you should relate that phone and compare it, don't do absolute judgement, see how other phones fare and COMPARE. Sigh... I'm wasting my time on a prejudiced anti-Apple zealot, apparently.


RE: So where is he
By jdmackes on 6/25/2010 10:41:04 PM , Rating: 1
Wait wait wait... maybe I'm not understanding something here and there is some actual problem with the 360 slim, but how is moving the system while the disc is spinning, and then being surprised when it's scratched, a defect?
Unless something has changed in the world of optical drives, there is a laser which sits very close to the disc while it is being read. Obviously if you bump or move the system while the laser head is millimeters away from the disc, there's a good chance it's going to scratch it. To me, that's like getting upset at your discs getting scratched if you use them for a coaster.


RE: So where is he
By Pirks on 6/29/2010 11:42:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
how is moving the system while the disc is spinning, and then being surprised when it's scratched, a defect?
Because PS3 doesn't scratch discs when you move it, I posted a link to video here a while ago.


RE: So where is he
By damianrobertjones on 6/28/2010 3:44:00 AM , Rating: 1
Who on EARTH would move an X-box or ANY device with a spinning DVD inside?


RE: So where is he
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 11:15:56 AM , Rating: 3
Reality distortion field not in force today, Tony?

Perhaps you could borrow reader1's. His seems to be working just fine.


If they're touching the bottom left corner,
By MrDiSante on 6/24/2010 11:25:58 PM , Rating: 4
they blew it.




RE: If they're touching the bottom left corner,
By KeypoX on 6/24/2010 11:29:51 PM , Rating: 4
makes for a cool magic trick.


RE: If they're touching the bottom left corner,
By Trickydicky on 6/24/2010 11:43:12 PM , Rating: 5
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to press the red button to hang up.


By muhahaaha on 6/25/2010 2:51:47 AM , Rating: 3
a large penis shaped antenna would fix the issue, or maybe Luke Wilson's big mouth.


RE: If they're touching the bottom left corner,
By Tony Swash on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 11:35:31 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I guess selling a million phones in one day is really blowing it.
Apple haven't blown it. It's their customers blowing Apple.


By ClownPuncher on 6/25/2010 11:35:51 AM , Rating: 2
There are leaders and there are followers. Followers have always been proven to be idiots. Have fun standing on your left leg while rubbing your taint just to get reception, my collared friend.


By Quadrillity on 6/25/2010 11:38:37 AM , Rating: 4
They can sell a billion phones in one day for all it matters; they still have a huge design flaw. What use is a phone that can't hold phone calls?


By croc on 6/25/2010 10:39:40 PM , Rating: 3
No, Swish, you have it a bit wrong.... Selling 1 million design flaws in a single day will lead to a catastrophic failure. My crystal ball says to me that there may very well be a large lawsuit coming Apples' way.


When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 12:01:20 PM , Rating: 4
...stop pretending that you're not the world's biggest idiot if you ever, EVER, purchase an Apple product?

This is true now, and always has been true - if you purchase Apple products you are doing so 100% because you have been cowed by the marketing and you are incapable of critical thinking.

And yet the fanboys will still defend them - thinking it better to continue to insist that their flaming sack of sh1t isn't a flaming sack of sh1t at all, and hoping somehow that no one notices that they're defending a flaming sack of sh1t.

Buy an Apple product = label yourself as catastrophically stupid.




RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
...what? I haven't been to Anandtech in years.

Either way, if Anand himself chose to pruchase an Apple product, he chose wrong. No matter what excuses he found to support the decision.

And now back to you: you're still the stupidest person on the internet. It's amazing that you haven't suffocated with Job's cockenballs stuffed so firmly down your throat by now...


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:20:24 PM , Rating: 5
I don't need to read every diatribe in the world about astrology to know it doesn't work.


RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:22:30 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, and for the record, oh Great Retard-o-tron, the only company in the world I dislike *almost* as much as Apple is Microsoft.

But you couldn't be bothered to consider that someone who points out how awful Apple is might be doing it, you know, just to point out how awful Apple is...because you're a Macolyte. Case closed.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
I was born like this. With a fully-functioning brain and robust critical thinking skills.

I've read plenty of reviews of Apple products. As noted, there's no reason to read *all* of them to know what the deal is.

The deal is that you're a catastrophic fool if you purchase an Apple product, whether because of piss-poor quality, mind-numbing design flaws, utter lack of software support, horrendously overpricing, etc.

But back on this topic here - and on the topic of mind-numbing design flaws, what exactly would I "need" to know about the new iPhone besides the fact that you can't hold it in your hand if you want it to make phone calls to realize that it sucks?

Oh, and throw some more swear words in there. They're great at covering up the fact that you're trying to argue from a point of no validity. Oh wait...no they don't.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/2010 1:56:47 PM , Rating: 1
Ah, so you do read "astrology", hence you are not such a nut as you pretended initially. You just have prejudice against Apple and your brain auto shuts off when you read about MBP being the only notebooks combining 10 hour battery life with full speed non-ULV i3/i5 CPUs, having best keyboard, touchpad, size, weight, build quality, no malware etc etc, your brain only turns on when you read about Apple's manufacturing defects, but then your brain shuts off again when you read about Dell/Acer/Sony/etc manufacturing defects.

Your diagnosis for now is: selective information retrieval based on your hidden prejudices.


RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 3:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
It's amazing how you continue to be a moron - firstly, no where in my above posts do I say anything about ascribing to astrology...so you have a major reading comprehension failure right there.

...and the fact that you think reading astrology might be a good thing further demonstrates your own fundamental disconnect with reality. As does your further list of lies (or at best, opinions) combined with irrelevant trivia that you are trying to use as a platform for your insanity.

So spare us your "diagnoses" herr doktor - the inmates are running your asylum.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 4:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
...another massive failure in reading comprehension on your part.

That specific comment was to point out that one need not read every single word ever written about a given topic to gain a working knowledge about it. In this case, I picked fairly randomly on astrology, because it is well known to be categorically baseless. And therefore an apt comparison to you.

Nowhere, either in that post or elsewhere, did I say anything that would lead anyone (other than you, because you are a failure) to believe that I was endorsing astrology, or that I believed in it myself. Indeed, the whole point of me using it as an analogy was to point out how utterly moronic it is.

Someday you really should go back and finish junior high school English.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 4:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
Ha!

You dismiss your own stupidity with an "anyway" and then declare that you've won!

I think I've figured out your true identity. You're the asshat that was in the middle of Baghdad declaring to the assembled press that Iraq was winning the war and the US was suffering massive casualties and was being pushed out of the country even as the barrage on that same city continued unabated.

Here's a hint, Pirks: you can deny reality all you want to. But your denial of said reality doesn't actually change reality itself. It just points out that you're stupid.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: When do we get to...
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 5:51:12 PM , Rating: 3
In this case, only one "counterargument" is needed. Because you are not actually providing a coherent argument.

It is fundamentally unacceptable in every way, on every level, for a product to be offered to customers that has such a glaring design fault that the customer then has to purchase something else to fix it in order to use the product as originally intended.

Period.

For other Apple topics, I've provided all the arguments ever needed in the history of DT, and you have always chosen to ignore them too. You don't get to demand that they are brought back up again every time. You lost years ago.


RE: When do we get to...
By Pirks on 6/28/2010 10:46:51 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
It is fundamentally unacceptable in every way, on every level, for a product to be offered to customers that has such a glaring design fault that the customer then has to purchase something else to fix it in order to use the product as originally intended.
But you never say this about other manufacturer's minor product problems, you only say it about Apple. Why? Is this because you're a typical prejudiced anti-Apple fanatic, huh?


RE: When do we get to...
By rocky12345 on 6/25/2010 9:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I read pretty much all reviews that I find including those products made by Apple. I just tend to not find anything Apple makes worth my time or money end of story.


The really amusing thing about all this is....
By Tony Swash on 6/25/2010 10:11:44 AM , Rating: 1
The really amusing thing about all this froth and outrage, hype and media splash is that it will have exactly zero effect on the sales of iPhones. Zero.

Apple will sell more iPhones in the next couple of months than ever before. Apple will sell more iPhones in the next year than ever before. The year after Apple will even more. And there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about.

Watching peoples blood pressure go through the roof on forums like this as reality fails to match people's inner fantasy world is one of favorite hobbies.




RE: The really amusing thing about all this is....
By maven81 on 6/25/2010 10:45:02 AM , Rating: 4
If your point is that apple fans are idiots then I completely agree with you ;)


RE: The really amusing thing about all this is....
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: The really amusing thing about all this is....
By Helbore on 6/25/2010 3:40:10 PM , Rating: 3
You think Apple SELLING a fix for a problem in their design is a good thing? They should be giving it away free to all their customers, to make up for the fact that they are shafting them.

You want to compare it to the Xbox? How about comparing it to Microsoft fixing all those RRoD incidents for free. Sure, it was poor design by Microsoft to cause such a major flaw in their hardware, but at least they took it like men, admitted their fault and treated their customers with respect.

If it was the Apple Xbox, Steve would have blamed the customers for playing their games wrong and sold them an add-on to fix the problem - and crazy people like you would compliment them for doing so. The idiocy beggars belief!


RE: The really amusing thing about all this is....
By Pirks on 6/25/2010 4:26:00 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple SELLING a fix for a problem in their design is a good thing?
Why include a fix for the problem when most people will never even see this problem in the first place? -> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/new-ipho... -> "Holding the iPhone 4 naturally caused no problems"


By Helbore on 6/26/2010 12:26:15 PM , Rating: 5
From that article;

quote:
we were able to reproduce the problem—if your palms aren't sweaty, we discovered it actually helps to lick them.


Yes, let's all remember to lick our hands before using a mobile phone. It's not Apple's bad engineering at fault here, it's because the general public don't lick their hands enough.

To be honest, that article was hardly sticking up for Apple. They said it was a shame Apple overlooked such an important detail. Hardly a positive outlook.

Just to close off, they end the article by describing the workarounds for this problem;

quote:
The known workarounds for now include holding the phone without cupping it, holding it higher up on the bezel, holding it in your right hand, or using a protective case.


Let's be frank here. I've owned many, many mobile phones over the years. I've never owned one that had instructions on the way you had to hold it in order for it to work correctly. I've also never owned one that didn't work to specification unless you bought an additional, manufacturer-provided accessory.

It's not so much a joke that Apple - the company that's brand image is "it just works," - made a major guff in the design of the handset, but that they refuse to acknowledge that it's even a fault with their design. Either the user is holding it wrong or they can give Apple more money to sort it out.

It's like how we all used to make fun of Microsoft for referring to Windows bugs/problems as "features" of the OS. We all smelled bull and called them on it.

Now it is Apple that smells of bull.


By CptTripps on 6/28/2010 2:18:06 PM , Rating: 2
If I drive down the highway at 55 and slam it in reverse it's going to destroy my transmission, is that the car makers fault? Who moves their console while playing a game?

Why do you keep comparing the Iphone4 to an xbox?


By Pirks on 6/28/2010 3:13:13 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
is that the car makers fault?
If another car does not get its tranny destroyed under same conditions - then yes, it is your car's problem, compared to that other much more abuse-resistant car.


By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 11:08:51 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple will sell more iPhones in the next couple of months than ever before. Apple will sell more iPhones in the next year than ever before. The year after Apple will even more. And there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about.
Of course they will, but who cares? We'd rather have smartphones where the phone part actually works.
quote:
Watching peoples blood pressure go through the roof on forums like this as reality fails to match people's inner fantasy world is one of favorite hobbies.
Just like laughing at people like you, who will still buy products with known faults because of its brand name is one of our favourite hobbies.


Will a case solve it?
By kmmatney on 6/25/2010 3:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
With all the iHate whining, I didn't read whether or not a phone case solves the problem. I know very few people who don't have a rubber or plastic case on their phones. I have a Silicone cover on my 3GS, with a thin plastic screen protector. If a case solves the problem, then its no big deal to many users.




RE: Will a case solve it?
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 3:45:51 PM , Rating: 3
I know of no one off the top of my head with a case on their phone.

Regardless, why is it up to the consumer to purchase an additional product to address a horrific design flaw in the original product. And why are you OK with the fact that you, the consumer, would have to fix Apple's mistake on your own?


RE: Will a case solve it?
By Pirks on 6/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: Will a case solve it?
By Motoman on 6/25/2010 4:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
It proves categorically that this is a massive design flaw, yet again, from the masters of crappy products.

There is not the slightest excuse, NOT THE SLIGHTEST, for producing a phone that would have an "incorrect" way to hold it. NO EXCUSE.

Just like there's no excuse for Pirks. Other than the statistical need to have *somebody* at the left end of the bell curve. He's a tragic waste of space.


RE: Will a case solve it?
By Pirks on 6/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Will a case solve it?
By justjc on 6/28/2010 7:07:09 AM , Rating: 2
The Gizmodo readers seem to look at it differently http://gizmodo.com/5573281/have-you-noticed-the-ip... just look at the comments from iPhone 4 users.

Have you gotten around to getting one yet Pirks, or is this like you defended Macs without ever owning one, simply responding on behalf of the notions gathered from other Apple fans and Apple marketing?


RE: Will a case solve it?
By Pirks on 6/28/2010 10:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
is this like you defended Macs without ever owning one
I don't need to use a service of astrologist to know what astrology is (C) Motoman -> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18842...


RE: Will a case solve it?
By kmmatney on 6/26/2010 1:04:09 AM , Rating: 1
I would use a protective bumber/case on the phone no matter what, so if that fixes it, then its a non-issue for me. The iPhone is now the standard smartphone at my work, and we all have cases. With such an expensive item, its crazy not have a protective case - you can get them for $3 at dealextreme. I already hold the phone in such a way that it won't effect me all that much.

So to me its no big deal - its a design flaw, but there is an easy work-around. I've purchased many other items that have been far worse - my ATI HD4890 comes to mind, with its loud fan. I had underlock the card or wear headphones just to play any games. I finally installed an Accelero and solved the problem, but it cost me $40 and a lot of time and effort. I can say similar things about many other tech items I've purchased.


RE: Will a case solve it?
By themaster08 on 6/26/2010 5:50:15 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
my ATI HD4890 comes to mind, with its loud fan. I had underlock the card or wear headphones just to play any games. I finally installed an Accelero and solved the problem, but it cost me $40 and a lot of time and effort.
Or you could have used something like ATITool to manually configure fan speed if not possible in CCC.

A loud fan does not hinder the performance/functionality of the card, it just makes atmospheric sounding a little displeasing. That's a completely different issue.


RE: Will a case solve it?
By Motoman on 6/26/2010 10:14:48 AM , Rating: 2
Don't bother. We've obviously discovered the next reader1/Pirks. The reality distortion field is strong in this one.


RE: Will a case solve it?
By indignation on 6/27/2010 5:07:07 PM , Rating: 3
There's a difference between you complaining about a card's noise, vs a phone complaining about your way of holding it


Absolutely ridiculous
By Sunburn74 on 6/25/2010 12:50:31 AM , Rating: 5
This is why I absolutely hate apple. The philosophy of the company is appalling. Rather than acknowledge what is an obvious flaw and trying to fix it, they tell the consumer that he is the one to change. If your apple phone can't multitask, you need to learn to streamline your work mentality. If your apple laptop is overheating, you need to make your house colder. If your apple stove doesn't make fire, you need to stop eating meat that needs to be cooked.

Its appalling and no other company treats it customers this way.




RE: Absolutely ridiculous
By Wulf145 on 6/25/2010 5:24:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Its appalling and no other company treats it customers this way.


From Apples point of view, they have no need to change since they have been rewarded for doing this by increased sales of their Products.
If people would start avoiding/stop buying their products you will see a very quick change of attitude, but at the moment they have no incentive to do so.
Their customerbase WILL buy an AC for their house in order to operate the Apple Laptop. Sad but true.


RE: Absolutely ridiculous
By Wulf145 on 6/25/2010 5:26:24 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Its appalling and no other company treats it customers this way.


From Apples point of view, they have no need to change since they have been rewarded for doing this by increased sales of their Products.
If people would start avoiding/stop buying their products you will see a very quick change of attitude, but at the moment they have no incentive to do so.
Their customerbase WILL buy an AC for their house in order to operate the Apple Laptop. Sad but true.


RE: Absolutely ridiculous
By mostyle on 6/25/2010 7:39:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its appalling and no other company treats it customers this way.


What is the most appalling in this case is that the customers mindlessly condone it with the appearance of ignorant bliss and have little desire to hold the appropriate party accountable..

-Tony


Apple Slogan: Hold it 'our' way!
By devilz on 6/25/2010 12:42:05 AM , Rating: 4
you can tell a wella woman by the way she wears her hair...

now its you can tell an apple woman by the way she holds her phone...

Maybe they have a patent to the way a cellphone should be held for better reception and therefore force everyone to comply, and sue anyone who hold a non-apple appliance to their head in that manner?

If they dont give you a free bumper case for the phone just return it saying you can get reception when you hold it, simple as that! I dont see how they can force you to hold a cellphone a certain way, simple enough reason to return or get a freebie case.




By Justin Time on 6/25/2010 1:51:41 AM , Rating: 3
You’re going to need one of those bumper things anyway.

As Gizmodo discovered, the glass-sandwich might look cooool, but is fragile.

http://gizmodo.com/5571658/first-iphone-4-broken-a...


RE: Apple Slogan: Hold it 'our' way!
By FredEx on 6/25/2010 3:17:06 AM , Rating: 3
Apple iPhone 4 users need to hold the phone with their head up their a**.


By MGSsancho on 6/25/2010 3:28:31 AM , Rating: 2
if you can not use your hands to hold the device maybe it would work better is shoved up someones bottom?


FCC Antenna Requirements
By ltcommanderdata on 6/25/2010 1:04:23 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/6/2...

It's not an excuse for Apple's specific antenna implementation in the iPhone 4, but the placement of the antenna at the bottom of phones where the hand is located is basically encouraged by FCC requirements in order to improve SAR ratings. Note that the FCC and mobile carriers reportedly don't test cell phones with hands or simulated hands, rather cell phone signal is tested with the phone free floating so their more standard tests wouldn't catch this.




RE: FCC Antenna Requirements
By Tallenger on 6/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: FCC Antenna Requirements
By fsardis on 6/25/2010 7:11:35 AM , Rating: 2
Oh yeas, how dare you expect some common sense in the design of a phone.
You know, like in the good old days, when some idiot thought that it would be a good idea to protect the antenna within a non-conductive wrap in order to avoid suck problems.

Of course by solving such obvious problem using common sense, nobody ever though that a test will be needed to make sure that a user will not short-circuit the antenna while holding the phone. And thus they created an objective test with the phone suspended in order to measure signal strength. You see, when every manufacturer in the world has solved such an obvious problem, there is little incentive to actually create a test that addresses this problem.

However, when you are Apple, form is more important than function and if your users tell you that your design if flawed, then Steve Blowjobs will tell you that he is god and he knows better than you.


RE: FCC Antenna Requirements
By Tallenger on 6/25/2010 9:11:36 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing you can say can justify choosing to hate.
Nor can anyone else on this board justify choosing hate.

Apple can be faulted for errors, just as any company makes.
They can be faulted for commercial practices you may disagree with.
You can even disagree with the individual Jobs himself.
And, you always retain the power to choose where you spend your money.
Apple has power over no one. Even the most ardent fanboy still chooses his allegiances.

The hatred and vitriolic judgment expressed on this board cannot be defended or justified.
It is a vile indulgence by those of bitter experience and meager character.


RE: FCC Antenna Requirements
By VahnTitrio on 6/25/2010 10:30:25 AM , Rating: 2
FCC testing (or EMC testing if you will), is merely to check that the device is only emitting signals in the designated frequency range. This is always done when the device is in a standalone, operating state. In fact for some of these tests it is downright not safe for humans to even be in the EMC chamber.

But as far as the lower left statement, I find that kind of peculiar. As an engineer, you want to design a directionalized antenna that sends most of it's power toward a cell tower. This is generally up and out the back of the phone (as transmitting out the front would be a waste as the persons head would absorb a lot of signal, and last time I checked it's a cell tower and not a cell subterranean broadcast center). Think back to old clamshell phones that still had antennas, they all had antennas oriented like that.


RE: FCC Antenna Requirements
By eskimospy on 6/25/2010 10:49:06 AM , Rating: 2
You're right. It isn't an excuse. I can hold my cell phone in my left hand however I want and I still get reception. If other companies can do it, Apple can too.


LOL @ Apple peeps
By Aloonatic on 6/25/2010 6:45:44 AM , Rating: 4
There's a phone in on BBC radio 5 (nationwide phone in talk radio) and the Apple fans are crazy.

Someone phoned in to say that their phone doesn't work, then the presenter said that it's not all bad, it must have some good points....

What followed as an almost orgasmic rant that could have been read straight off of Steve presentation notes saying all the things that it does (most of which weren't new, or not available on a droid) as if it was the only device that could ever do this, and then he went on to say that i's great, it just works! He must have said it just works 3 or 4 times, even when he called in to say that it doesn't work as a phone.

Crazy people. Crazy British people. I guess there's no society that is not protected against this virus.




RE: LOL @ Apple peeps
By Aloonatic on 6/25/2010 7:52:32 AM , Rating: 4
Just a BBC Radio 5 up-date. The iPhone and Apple love from the "impartial" presenters continues, even tho the presenters iPad has just broken in the UK summer heat.

Seriously, if your electronic products can't cope with a summer in the UK then there's something wrong.


RE: LOL @ Apple peeps
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 10:15:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously, if your electronic products can't cope with a summer in the UK then there's something wrong.
The only thing wrong is in the minds of the retards that go back for more.

These are some serious QC issues we have here. The most fundamental functions of these devices fail astonishingly.

The iPhone 4 might as well just be called the "i" because it is just about as functional as a phone as using plastic cups and a string. The iPad is supposed to be used anywhere and everywhere, yet can't handle UK summer temperatures of just 25 degrees celcius.

Yet people will go back for more!

It just blows my mind. How can people be so ridiculously stupid?


The emperor wears clothes you say?
By kroker on 6/25/2010 3:14:47 AM , Rating: 5
Apple: "It just works! If it doesn't, it can only be your fault, you must be stupid or something!"




By Motoman on 6/25/2010 1:09:55 PM , Rating: 2
And reader1 and Pirks and all the other fanboy idiots will say "oh, right, we're the problem...sorry about that, let us bend over farther for you!"


its just a phone
By muhahaaha on 6/25/2010 2:47:47 AM , Rating: 2
I just want to make a phone call on a network that doesn't suck ass, and I don't need to be tracked and iAded so iPhone is not for me. Plain and simple.




RE: its just a phone
By muhahaaha on 6/25/2010 2:49:59 AM , Rating: 3
maybe apple will realize this someday and stop trying to be the gatekeepers of morality, and stop trying to suck my wallet dry.

I have choice, and Apple is not my choice.


iGlove
By Quadrillity on 6/25/2010 7:54:49 AM , Rating: 5
I am currently designing the iGlove (not to be confused with the condom series) so that iTards can hold their phone, who want's to invest? It will retail for $199.99 and come in these assorted colors:

1. Shinny White
2. Shinny Black
3. Smug yellow




Proper way to hold it.
By GHynson on 6/25/2010 4:02:37 AM , Rating: 2
Grip it like a bar of soap,...right before you sucker punch Mr. Stevie in the face.




RE: Proper way to hold it.
By muhahaaha on 6/25/2010 11:22:07 AM , Rating: 2
just don't drop the iSoap or you'll be sorry


iPhone
By subhajit on 6/25/2010 5:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
It just works!*

*conditions apply.




RE: iPhone
By bupkus on 6/25/2010 9:18:04 AM , Rating: 2
New take on glib ad...

"It just sucks"


it's Bush fault
By JimboK29 on 6/25/2010 7:16:30 AM , Rating: 3
Somehow this problem will end up being Bush's fault.




RE: it's Bush fault
By MartyLK on 6/29/2010 11:38:10 PM , Rating: 1
I agree! That lousy deadbeat Bush and his posse screwed the nation over for 8 long hard years. The result is a mess for Pres Obama clean up.

Just exactly how Bush is at fault for the undesirables not getting proper reception, I have no clue. But I know with full certainty he's at the heart of it.

quote:
by JimboK29 on June 25, 2010 at 7:16 AM

Somehow this problem will end up being Bush's fault.


Not many apple supporters
By blueaurora on 6/25/2010 7:33:01 AM , Rating: 2
I expected some morons to try and defend Jobs. I am pleasantly surprised the zealots took off their robes for this one!

Go Android and freedom of choice!




RE: Not many apple supporters
By The0ne on 6/25/2010 2:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
Don't have to wait, I sent the info to my two coworkers here with iphones and they shrugged it off even they complain about weak signals and drop calls constantly. One is a senior sw guy and the other is our own vp of engineering.

The question for many of us is, why are these two still dicking around with the iphone knowing what they know? I think only sheeps will know.


By 91TTZ on 6/25/2010 8:22:23 AM , Rating: 4
Apparently this antenna design has all the marks of engineering genius, except for the fact that it doesn't get good reception.

Next up from Apple's engineers:

iBoat- The boat that doesn't float.
iFood- Inedible food.




au revoir
By Tony Swash on 6/25/2010 11:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
By the way guys, my posts are likely to be few and far between in the next couple of months as I am about to embark on a long road trip through the more remote parts of the American south west. I live in crowded London and its a great city but the first time I hit the open highway on cruise control on my first trip to the States I fell in love with the US of A. When you guys sing about America the beautiful you are not joking, I find the beauty of the Rockies and the deserts on the Colerado plateau simply sublime.

So late August, 5000 miles and about 3000 photos on my Nikon D700 later I will be back.

I hacked a Dell 10v to run snow leopard as cheap expendable road kit and this will be its first field trip. I will let you know how I get on.

And remember "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"




RE: au revoir
By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 11:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
Have fun, oh modestly great one ;)

We'll be here waiting for your return ;)


Lesson learned
By masamasa on 6/25/2010 1:28:27 PM , Rating: 4
Yellow screens, proprietary everything, iphone reception issues, competitor USB drive throttling, lawsuits against competitors, borderline crazed Apple consumers who think Apple can do no wrong....the list goes on and on.

Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about Apple this and that.
All this marketing about how much better Apple is than PC/Windows is a ridiculous attempt to brainwash consumers into buying overpriced products that leave them with little choice or flexiblity. No wonder the company appeals to the non-intelligent masses who are easily brainwashed.

I predict a -5 rating from Apple fanbois. =P




The bad and silly
By Belard on 6/25/2010 6:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
So... you're supposed to hold the phone like like.. a girl or something, with just your finger tips? I think most people hold their phones in their palms. Oh well... The HTC is looking very nice, but its HUGE for a phone.

There is a list of WHY to NOT buy the new iPhone 4... I thought some of the reasons are silly. The Antenna issue needs to be resolved.

But the "5mp camera", I thought was quite stupid... "because other phones by HTC, Motorola, etc have 8~10mp" Who gives a crap?!

Its a PHONE! Megapixels mean squat when you're working with little tiny crappy lenses! A 2MP camera with a real optical lens from 5 years ago WILL still take better pictures than any phone on the market today.

The megapixel camera war is stupid.

A) Most people don't actually PRINT anymore
B) 3mp is all that is required for 4x5 prints.
C) 6M~8MP will do just fine for 8x11... How many people print higher?
D) AVG screen size TODAY is 1680x1080 (give or take)... which any 2/3MP camera will fill up.

The pictures files get BIGGER, taking up more space... taking longer to load, transfer etc.

When I help friends configure their P&S cameras, I set them to 4~5MP mode to keep the files manageable. And show them how to make it larger, if they actually need to.

I have 5 year old PRO cameras that are 6mp & 8mp, SLR. They don't need to be replaced yet... but the features on new cameras are what interests me. 18~24mp... not important.




RE: The bad and silly
By Belard on 6/25/2010 8:11:18 PM , Rating: 2
Oops - sorry, a refresh accidentally re-posted the one below.


By alexsch8 on 6/25/2010 7:57:16 AM , Rating: 3
I think they should have included the bumper with the phone and not charge a ridiculous $29+tax extra to resolve an issue they should have caught during their testing phase.




By crimson117 on 6/25/2010 10:12:55 AM , Rating: 3
Sounds like...
By morphologia on 6/25/2010 3:21:44 PM , Rating: 3
"Oh heavenly father, I am faithful to you and yet my mobile reception is absolute crap. Why is this so?"

"YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG."




A Norm To Holding A Cell Phone?
By Silent157 on 6/24/2010 11:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a rightie who holds phones during convos in my left hand towards my left ear, and several others I know do as well, besides left-handed people. So I can see this being an issue if it's really the issue people are saying it is.

But to be told that "you're holding wrong" is ridiculous (besides the obvious factors). It's not a steering wheel lol.




By chadpengar on 6/25/2010 12:44:03 AM , Rating: 2
Nexus One, Droid, older iPhones plus others all have problems with bad signal reception when help certain ways. Fleshy water filled hands dampen signals.

see http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-droid/601...




By themaster08 on 6/25/2010 2:03:14 AM , Rating: 2
Ridiculously designed antenna. Yellowed screens. That lovely man Steve Jobs treating his customers like the sheep they are.....

But will this stop the masses from buying it?......

Of course not.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,4930375...

The iPhone 3GS was rated by Cnet UK as the worst phone in the world. Read the article, they have a completely valid point. However, I think the iPhone 4 will take the cake this time around.

No software patch will fix this one, my mellow yellow friends. Next time, use that space between your heads before making purchasing decisions :).




It's just a lefty issue.
By fakeStevejobs on 6/25/2010 2:28:47 AM , Rating: 2
The mishandling issue ONLY affects left-handed individuals. So, just avoid being left-handed and everything will be fine. Also, please understand that user error is the USER's fault, not mine. So get off my back, ingrets...




iPhone 4 Speakerphone! :D
By Dennis Travis on 6/25/2010 3:03:25 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe Jobs and company feel you should use it just as a Speakerphone flat on a desk. Then you would not have to hold it and you will get 5 bars! :D

Good going Apple.




A proposed simple fix
By monkeyman1140 on 6/25/2010 5:02:48 AM , Rating: 2
Just tell the public that the microwave radiation coming out of the bottom left side of the phone is lethal, cancer causing and people will not put any body part near it anymore.