Although the official launch of Windows Vista won't take place until
January 30, that hasn't stopped some online retailers from making the
operating system available early. mwave.com is listing three Vista SKUs on its
website that are in stock and ready to ship.
The editions available include Vista
32-bit Home Basic OEM (Microsoft Part Number: 66G-00576) for $89.90, Vista
32-bit Home Basic OEM 3-pack (Microsoft Part Number: 66G-00613) for $268.90
32-bit Business OEM (Microsoft Part Number: 66J-02289) for $139.90. As of
today, there were no listings for Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate on the
Vista Home Basic, as its name implies, is the most barebones
version of the operating system. It lacks the Windows Aero
"Glass" UI, Windows Flip 3D and Live Taskbar Thumbnails. Vista Home
Basic also only supports one physical processor (unlimited cores) while the
other consumer editions of Vista support two physical processors (unlimited
Vista Business, on the other hand, contains features not
found on either Vista Home Basic or Vista Home Premium. These include support
for Windows Shadow Copy, system image backup and recovery, Encrypting File
System (EFS), the ability to join domains and access offline file/folder
The OEM versions of Vista listed on mwave.com's website are
significantly cheaper than the retail pricing for Vista listed below:
Customers are limited to two copies of Vista Home Basic OEM
or Vista Business OEM on mwave.com's website. The operating systems must also
be purchased with hardware for licensing reasons. In many cases, ordering a set
of case screws or some other cheap piece of hardware will satisfy these
quote: When MS can release an operating system that goes a year without needing a security update...
quote: the console games will only look better as much as the developers learn better coding, taking full advantage of the hardware. the new PC games, with new PC hardware, will look dramatically better
quote: I also already stated that console game developers would better learn to code for the hardware, making the games look better
quote: come talk to me in 3 years and tell me how kick-ass your xbox 360 is
quote: a gaming PC offers much better graphics compared to an Xbox 360
quote: "Halo 2 on nice directx 8 graphics" isn't the only PC game
quote: all the XBOX EXCLUSIVES aren't that amazing
quote: To play Gears of War with a mouse/keyboard control would be the bomb!
quote: Halo sucks compared to other FPS's for the PC
quote: PC gamers have been able to play games at high resolutions for years now, while consoles are just now able to do this
quote: Why are you so stuck on Halo?
quote: You know, MS needs something to keep the computer literate on Windows, i.e., keeping them from switching over to Linux, or even Mac. Gaming is ONE thing that keeps many from making an all-out switch.
quote: less than 12 months after the release of Vista, we will already have a PC game that the new consoles couldn't handle
quote: It is only a matter of time before we see news of future games coming out, not to mention games like Crysis
quote: there are NO plans for Crysis on the Xbox 360
quote: Why pay $600 for an Xbox
quote: I am a FPS fan, and those games play better on a PC anyway
quote: there are NO plans for Crysis on the Xbox 360
quote: I can pay $400 for an 8800 GTS and just pop it in my system
quote: because there are no games that are PC exclusive right?
quote: Microsoft is investing a lot in gaming for Vista
quote: Halo 2 comes free with vista ult
quote: Halo 2 comes free with vista ult.
quote: take that $3200 for a PC is a top of the line PC (I mean really top of the line) and would allow you to do all the above
quote: you've already spent almost $4k (including the PS3) to play the same games you'd play on a cheaper high end computer
quote: you'll only play a few games from the list I posted
quote: the games that sell the most are for PC (yeah, that's a surprise!!!)
quote: but don't say it's not worth spending money on a high end pc, cause you'll be spending the same amount on consoles + HDTV, just say you like playing in consoles and that you prefer to play on the console.
quote: Unreal Tournament, Quake, Bioshock; Command & Conquer plus Call of Duty, Tom Clancy, and many of the other top games on a console, all started out as PC games first
quote: who said there're no publishers on the PC?
quote: there're a lot of great games on the PC (HL2, for instance)
quote: many that sell more than any game for consoles (WoW, has sold over 8 million copies)
quote: there're no royalties for publishing on the PC
quote: the new consoles might be cheaper but you have to add in a $2000 HDTV to make the best out of them
quote: I can bet at least 90% of american console gamer have a PC as well
quote: So you're paying $2400 on a HDTV and xbox and also about $800 on a PC for internet browsing. That's $3200, the same as a high-end pc.
quote: Not mentioning that top PC games are cheaper than top console games
quote: On your assumption there won't be any good games beside Crysis for the PC, here is a hint: Unreal Tournament 2007, Enemy Terrotory: Quake Wars, Hellgate, Bioshock, Stalker, Comand and Conquer III, Age of Conan, LOTR Online, among others.
quote: there is no way in hell that i am gonna play bioshock, unreal Tournament 07, quake wars, stalker or any other fps on the 360 unless im forced to. The joypad is just to crap. Play any FPS on a pc with a 2000dpi mouse and after that, anything else is just so, so, slow and inprecise.
quote: And don't get me started on RTS's, how the hell are you supposed to control a massive army with a joypad instead of a keyboard with any degree of control. Ain't gonna happen.
quote: Oh, and let's not forget that games just play better on pcs.
quote: and a lot of other people are like me and just enjoy playing games without any constraints that consoles impose.
quote: And please stop wittering on about GoW, Halo 3 and Lost Planet.
quote: now imagine these guys like crytek - they are going to publish best game ever on PC - who's gonna be interested in that? noone.
quote: Get a PC to play the PC games you want to play and get a console for the console games you want to play
quote: Is it me, or did you contradict yourself in the same sentence? You basically said, "who's going to be interested in the best game ever? No one." What kind of sense does that make?
quote: you misunderstood me - I said basically this - Microsoft would KILL to publish Crysis on Xbox ONLY. Sony would KILL to publish Crysis on PS3 only. NOBODY would kill to publish Crysis on PC ONLY. BECAUSE _NOBODY_ is interested in making PC exclusives. why? because there's no incentive - microsoft benefits from selling xbox, sony benefits from selling ps3, nobody benefits from selling PC (besides China of course, and China does not make triple A games, unfortunately). Got it? Do I make myself clear?
quote: Publishing on the PC only gives a HUGE incentive for gamers to upgrade to Vista, and many, many will because of this game. Understand the psychology of many gamers; they HAVE to have the best they can afford. They simply have to. It's who they are, it's what they are.
quote: You, not I, said, "Microsoft would KILL to publish Crysis on Xbox ONLY", so my post was, for lack of a better term, Crysis-centric. Why do you bring up Halo 2?
quote: Crysis is PC only because MS wants it that way and is certainly paying to have it that way. It will generate Vista sales, so it behooves MS to do this.
quote: Do you have an alternative explanation of that that is as consistent as mine? I'm listening.
quote: GoW for 360, and Crysis for Vista no doubt makes monetary sense to MS
quote: Do you know how hard it would have been to release GoW for Vista?
quote: Gaming DOES exist out of the first-person-shooter
quote: there are still, and for the forseeable future, always will be, games that exist on the PC over a console
quote: but also development costs
quote: Independent gaming, at least until XNA really takes off, is still COMPLETELY PC dominated.
quote: If HL had been a console-only release, the greatness that was/is Counter-Strike would never have existed
quote: These people would never be able to make hugely innovative games that influence the industry in a console-centric world because the barriers to entry are just FAR too great.
quote: Hands-down more games are released on PC everyday than on any other console. Maybe even every console put together. And, yes, a lot of those are crap. But most are at least decent, as evidenced by simply looking at the number of 8 or 9.0+ reviewed games on every platform. And they're usually cheaper than the same game on the console to boot, and, more importantly, the margins are MUCH bigger for developers.
quote: The margins for a developer are two to three, sometimes even more, greater on PC than on a console. There's less people in the chain to take your royalties, no huge fees to pay for the "privledge" of developing a PC game like there is on consoles. As we move towards direct-download, the margins are EXPONENTIALLY greater than they are on console development and the barriers to entry are completely non-existant.
quote: The WoW (*shudder*) expansion just sold 2.5 million copies in 24 hours. Those are sales that rival Halo 2 numbers. I might not like the game at all, but you can't see something like that and say that PC gaming is dead. Just PC gaming in certain genres.
quote: What's better -- $4/unit on 1 million unit sold are $20/unit on 500,000? It's those type of economies that ensure that SOME developers will still whole-heartedly embrace PC gaming into the future
quote: And FWIW, I don't understand your focus on Halo 2. I don't see MS really bragging about Halo 2 as "Vista Gaming". I haven't seen them mention much at all about it. If anything they're pimping out FSX much harder than Halo 2
quote: ohh ahh I got 128 uber duper shaders in my 1337 G80, same as boasting nice plastic spoilers on your cheap rice Honda ;)
quote: One is fundamental to the functioning of the overall machine, while the other is simply an accessory.
quote: A video card IN GENERAL is essential to a gaming PC
quote: I wonder how long more they will continue to support windows xp though.
quote: There are many games that are not PC exclusive but taste a lot better on a PC
quote: You don't have to pay 2000$ that's ridiculous. With 1000$ you can get a good mobo, e6300, x1950pro 1gb ram 320gb hd and a decent 20.1" 1680x1050 display. (I guess I shouldn't even list the monitor as it doesn't come with the xbox), so make it 700$.
quote: Do you realise that if I don't upgrade the system I would just see a constant performance level just like with the console. However IF I CHOOSE to upgrade and spend more money I would get a better machine and a better experience.
quote: I have a C2D desktop with ATI X1950 series GPU. Want to compare this to an original XBOX? I would say that the XBOX looks pretty pathetic
quote: You actually tried to make one of the strong sides of a computer (upgrades) its weakness? Interesting logic.
quote: for now I see only Halo 2 on Vista and Gears of War on Xbox - PC as a gaming platform is humiliated/destroyed by this comparison
quote: My UBERPOWERFUL PC is busy drawing "superflashy" and "beautiful" grey labyrynths of Halo 2 from 2003 or so...
quote: how exactly upgrades help you or anyone here to run nice games on a PC?
quote: are you seriously saying "hey, xbox sucks because my graphics card is so uberpowerful, and who cares if there are shitty Halo 2s on PC while xbox has GeoW and LP? games don't matter, it's the amount of shaders that matters"??? man, you gotta be kidding, right? if not - then THIS logic is waaay more interesting than mine :)
quote: I see only Gears of War on 360 and Crysis on PC - 360 as a gaming platform is humiliated/destroyed by this comparison
quote: You seem to be under some impression that because a game isn't out for the PC that a PC couldn't run it.
quote: so you have Halo 2 already?
quote: you seem to be one of the biggest 360 fanboys here and you don't have a clue
quote: "how exactly upgrades help you or anyone here to run nice games on a PC?" If you don't know the answer to this then you shouldn't even be posting in this thread.
quote: You do know the only reason graphics cards on the PC are getting more and more powerfull is because of games, right? On average a new card is brought out every 6 months, do you think the graphics card companys do this for the good of their health?
quote: There is no game available on any console that wouldn't look better on a decent PC
quote: here's a question what are you writing these posts on? your precious 360?
quote: i agree that the situation has been a bummer for the pc. i agree that halo 2 for vista does suck.
quote: Xbox does not offer good keyboard mouse support, needed to play fps games
quote: I like programs like xfire,vent,IRC
quote: I like to set up my graphics and res to optimize playability
quote: World of Warcraft is also the most addicting, money making game ever
quote: Why you PC zealots are so fucking dumb? No, really, I'm not trolling here, 'cause I posted here THREE times about that thing called XFPS 360. Can you read at all?
quote: Sigh... it was sooo god here until this rating system was implemented :(
quote: Here's my prediction; in 3 to 10 years from now, when the next new major Microsoft OS comes out. I bet these forums will be full of people like you spewing useless comments on how upgrading to whatever-the-new-OS-name-is is for lamers, useless, bloated, etc. and that Vista is just fine and we don't need to upgrade. Sheesh!!!
quote: Why should I be excited about something that isn't really a true new OS?