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They say students lack the motor skills or can't pay attention in class because of tablet overexposure

A group of UK teachers are urging parents to limit their children's time on tablets and other technology, as they claim a rising number of young students lack the motor skills needed to play with building blocks while older students are unable to take written exams with pen and paper.

According to The Telegraph, the Association of Teachers and Lecturers wants parents to turn off the Wi-Fi at night before bed so students get a good night's sleep instead of playing on tablets all night. 

The association claims that younger students as young as three or four can swipe on an iPad screen, but have little or no dexterity in their fingers to use building blocks. 

As for the older students, the association said their attention spans are limited in the classroom due to overexposure to technology. They further claimed that these students can't implement the skills they read in their textbooks, but have exceptional technical skills when it comes to consumer electronics.  


“It is our job to make sure that the technology is being used wisely and productively and that pupils are not making backward steps and getting obsessed and exhibiting aggressive and anti-social behaviours,” said Mark Montgomery, a teacher from Northern Ireland.

“In the same way we can use a brick to either break a window or build a house, digital technology can be used for good or bad, and teachers can and should help their pupils make positive choices so they have positive experiences.”

The teachers say many children born with an iPad in their hands and overuse the devices are more likely to lack non-tech skills as simple as writing with pen and paper. 

This seems to be an issue in other parts of the world as well. Back in 2012, it was reported that children in South Korea are especially prone to internet addiction, and that the dangers of tech addiction would be taught in schools. 

In the U.S., however, tablets like the iPad are being deployed in many school districts to advance tech skills. 

Source: The Telegraph



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Another Brick
By Donkey2008 on 4/21/2014 2:57:55 AM , Rating: 3
If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any tablets.




By lawrance on 4/17/2014 7:49:56 PM , Rating: 2
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A group of UK teachers are urging parents to limit their children's time on tablets and other technology,...


And I wonder if these same teachers used a hand written note to do the urging or was it broadcast in an EMAIL? Considering I read this on the INTERNET I'm going to guess they used technology of some sort to get the message out!




Prescriptive Schools
By ResStellarum on 4/18/14, Rating: 0
Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
RE: Sod Off
By MrBlastman on 4/17/2014 4:24:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it definitely should be up to the parents here. As a parent myself I don't want a school or government telling me what I should and shouldn't do with my child at home. I'm raising them--not the other way around.

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When I was a child I read like 10 books a month. Isn't that an addiction? But none of these teachers would say that, of course. Why is that perceived as being more healthy than a tablet or phone?


Also as a parent, I think this is where you and I see things differently. A book gives information and knowledge if it is nonfiction, if it is fiction, it helps build imagination. A tablet or a phone can be used to read books--but most of the time they are used to surf the internet and participate in forums or watch videos of cats on youtube (or whatever).

So from where I sit, there is far less value in allowing your child to use a tablet or smartphone than there is for them to read books at night. When I was growing up, my bedroom was kept empty except for books. At bedtime I went to my room and read as there was nothing else to do. Looking back I can say that definitely benefitted me tremendously.

Likewise, I also had a computer. A real computer. One with a keyboard and a mouse. I learned how to program, hack--you name it on this marvelous machine. A tablet or a smartphone isn't really conductive to learning any of these skills. From where I sit, these devices are purely for entertainment than the former, a true computer, that is useful for doing constructive, thought intensive things. So for me, with my child, I'm going to allow her eventually to use a computer--but severely limit her use of a tablet or other mobile devices. If I have my way, she won't ever have a smartphone until she leaves the house for college. I'll also block things like Facebook with our router.

But, this is my opinion as a parent. And I'm glad it is my opinion and not an enforceable law that tells me I have to allow my kids this or that. I get to choose, not them. And that is how it should be.


RE: Sod Off
By Nephelai on 4/18/2014 12:00:17 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with most parents is they work on auto pilot and don't really think thru the impact of things on shaping their children for the future. The internet changes peoples behaviour over the long term and I'm not convinced for the better if people are left to their own devices. One aspect for example is attention span, I myself have little patience to read nowadays and have become increasingly a skimmer. At least I can see the affect it's having on me children don't. Children need to learn the tools to deal with the internet first not the other way around.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/14, Rating: -1
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By JediJeb on 4/18/2014 2:40:45 PM , Rating: 1
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Generally speaking, nobody is more concerned about the impact of things on their children than it's parents. I mean come on!


If that were true, then the local elementary school here would not need a program where they send donated food items home with certain children in unmarked bags so that they will have food to eat on the weekends. They use the unmarked bags so that the parents don't know what it is and eat it instead of the children.

There is a growing percentage of parents out there that are more concerned about themselves than their children. Many look at the children as simply an inconvenient side effect of pursuing their own pleasure. This is the effect of having a society that embraces those who have no initiative to better themselves instead of ostracizing them.


RE: Sod Off
By Dr of crap on 4/21/2014 10:16:59 AM , Rating: 1
Yea and IF parents paid attention to their kids-
16 year olds wouldn't be having kids
kids wouldn't get into gangs and do drive by shootings
math scores could be better with parents help
reading scores could be better with parents help

Used to be if a kid got out of line in class, the teacher would back hand him. Then the parents said not to my kid and that went away. So much so that a parent can't even hit their kid to discipline them. Yea parents go to far.
Yet the home life is NEVER looked at or suggested that a change might be a help for the kids well being.

What happens in the home has a huge influence on how and IF the kid can learn!! YET schools don't want to state that.

AND you have a problem with this school asking parents to do something that might help out? They are asking, not demanding / enforcing.


RE: Sod Off
By chripuck on 4/21/2014 12:59:06 PM , Rating: 1
Surely you can't be that ignorant...

I think it's insulting that they think they can tell me how to parent my child, but the sad fact is there is a large swatch of people who aren't fit to be parents.


RE: Sod Off
By amanojaku on 4/17/2014 4:32:42 PM , Rating: 3
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Or here's an idea, worry about what they do in school and fek off when it comes to their home life. That is NOT your concern, you should have NO opinion on it.
Actually, it is their concern, to a degree. If the child's home is interfering with his/her ability to learn then teachers should bring that up in case the parent is unaware. Breakfast and lunch programs were created because many poor children didn't get either at home, and couldn't pay attention in class. Notice that the teachers aren't demanding this of parents. They are recommending this, insisting, even, but still leaving it to the parents to decide.
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When I was a child I read like 10 books a month. Isn't that an addiction? But none of these teachers would say that, of course. Why is that perceived as being more healthy than a tablet or phone?
Because that's not an addiction. That barely qualified as reading back then, as avid readers read at least one book a day. And avid readers aren't classified as addicts. Besides, addiction is determined by how your life is impacted by the behavior. A person who reads every day without it interfering with work or school isn't an addict. Kids who spend all night playing Angry Birds instead of doing homework or sleeping are addicts. When I was a kid I'd read by moonlight and pass out in the morning. I was an addict.


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By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
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By amanojaku on 4/17/2014 5:18:14 PM , Rating: 3
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That's because "children" read Doctor Seuss! I was reading at an adult level early on.
Nowhere in my post did I describe reading levels. I said number of books per day...
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How in the hell is someone that age supposed to go to school (and pay attention), come home and do homework, go to bed on time, and knock out a 400+ page book in a day EVERY day?
Nowhere in my post did I describe the number of pages in the books read. In fact, you never described the number of pages or types of books, either...
quote:
Please think before you speak.
That doesn't appear to be necessary. You're speaking for me by putting words in my mouth. Er, post.
quote:
Some would debate you on that. I don't think there's an established consensus on what an addiction is. They don't all have negative impacts, and some people might not even be aware they have one.
Oh boy...

asam.org/for-the-public/definition-of-addiction


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
RE: Sod Off
By Mathos on 4/17/2014 4:40:22 PM , Rating: 2
Really?

It's more of a concern that people are literally forgetting how to write, or just never learning to do so. You can say, but they're learning to type on a computer or compose text on a tablet. But... How useful is that ability in the event of say the power grid being shut down or taken out for a long period of time? Guess what, all that fancy tech becomes worthless paperweight material without electricity.

The written word, stored on paper, stone, whatever, can last thousands of years. And at one time, the ability to read and Write, were considered privileges of the wealthy or clergy. The written word, stored on digital media, can only last as long as the power source or battery holds out.

I grew up around technology and computers. Even though I was born in the 70's. And I know all too well the effects of internet, or gaming addiction, because I've gone through it myself. You start to lose, or never develop proper social skills, etc. Because you're too busy being stuck to the game, etc. Many people tend to develop violent behaviors when they're cut off from said addictions. Recent history with school shootings and attacks anyone?

And what I'm really seeing in society lately. Is that people who get too hooked on tech, can't function without it. They almost can't survive without being plugged in. I'd say that is the real concern being put forward in this article. I see it every day, watching video game streamers. Those who didn't grow up attached to tech, are in general perfectly normal functioning human beings. But, those who did grow up plugged in, you can look at them and ask, how did you manage to even feed yourself today?


RE: Sod Off
By bah12 on 4/17/2014 4:54:21 PM , Rating: 3
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It's more of a concern that people are literally forgetting how to write, or just never learning to do so. You can say, but they're learning to type on a computer or compose text on a tablet. But... How useful is that ability in the event of say the power grid being shut down or taken out for a long period of time? Guess what, all that fancy tech becomes worthless paperweight material without electricity.
Can you recompose these thoughts in hieroglyphs or possibly a cave painting? There was a time when THOSE were the way the human experience was recorded and passed down. An ancient Egyptian may look at you as illiterate for not knowing such skills. Point is your position is just as the OP stated a Luddite or technophobe. Just because the technology you grew up on is evolving, doesn't make it worth less.

And spare me your tin foil hat no power argument, same can be said for a fire a flood destroying your paper knowledge.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 5:12:48 PM , Rating: 2


Winning. That's what I'm saying

In a few generations something else will replace tablets and smartphones. And the previous generation will be saying "you should be using a tablet to teach your child, this (insert new thing) is causing problems!"


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
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By someguy123 on 4/17/2014 10:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
What are you even talking about? This is basically the school system's attempt at notifying the parents of what they think is a disciplinary problem. They can't force parents to stop giving their kids tablets. This isn't any different from a teacher giving advice to parents during a conference. Your posts read like the teachers are petitioning a law against late night tablet usage. I don't have anything against tablets in general, but I'd like to see that era you lived in where reading was such an ingrained, popular past time among children that kids were falling asleep from "reading all night".

This actually is the teachers doing their jobs and giving parents their perspective. It's not their job to raise your child, and quite frankly its not their job to baby someone who struggles at math. They exist to help push everyone in the class forward, monitor your abilities and communicate with you and your parents. Your teachers should've contacted your parents and had you put more time into studying or suggested tutoring. It's ultimately your parents and your own responsibility to keep up or exceed everyone else.

"I just didn't get math" oh brother. You've got underachieving special snowflake written all over you.


RE: Sod Off
By Dr of crap on 4/21/2014 10:22:25 AM , Rating: 1
WRONG!
Parents should and could be helping.
IT IS NOT only up the school system to help out.

Parenting is a 24/7/365 job and we have plenty of proof out in the world of parents that shouldn't have had kids because they failed to raise the kids right.

Hope your kids are just super smart so you don't have to help them!


RE: Sod Off
By HostileEffect on 4/17/2014 5:28:19 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter if I'm in the California mountains or some third world desert, I'm never without electricity unless I don't feel like packing a source. Everything is compact and light weight so getting electricity for computers during a grid failure or collapse is is a non-issue.

A lot of guys bring their phones, kindles, Ipods, etc. I used to bring 5590's with me on field ops, about ten phone charges out of one of those bricks. One member loaded up Google earth just to get the best angle on a training area we were in.

As for writing, the most writing I do is signing my name or printing. Everything is typed these days unless its a punishment, no one has the time to decipher chicken scratch or some variant of cursive writing. Bring TYPED documents or they go in the trash and you get told to fill it out again. Social skills? Disrespect someone for 'talking funny' in a professional work environment and see what that gets you.

Social media addiction is an issue though, out of about 30 computers, the one I signed out was the only one without facebook on it. More than an issue, its a disease. I live in the bushes, away from social anything. I don't use social media, its either text, call, or see them in person, depending on the level of importance and response time.

Bring hooked on tech is just the next direction of our civilization. Everything is more connected into computers than ever before and if you can't use, fix, and modify electronic components then you will be at a severe disadvantage. Traditional things are being replaced by their modern part. Books to E-books, metal to polymer, cable TV is now internet TV that you can watch nearly anywhere. I have thousands of books on my hard drive and I'll never read them all in my life time, that same amount of paper means many dead trees, more space than a house, and a fire hazard, why all of that when I can put them all and MORE on an out dated thumb drive?


RE: Sod Off
By JediJeb on 4/18/2014 2:51:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Bring hooked on tech is just the next direction of our civilization. Everything is more connected into computers than ever before and if you can't use, fix, and modify electronic components then you will be at a severe disadvantage. Traditional things are being replaced by their modern part. Books to E-books, metal to polymer, cable TV is now internet TV that you can watch nearly anywhere. I have thousands of books on my hard drive and I'll never read them all in my life time, that same amount of paper means many dead trees, more space than a house, and a fire hazard, why all of that when I can put them all and MORE on an out dated thumb drive?


I look at that as a positive. Just think, in a few years those of us who still know how to write cursive will be able to send messages in code that is undecipherable to the younger generation :)


RE: Sod Off
By Beefmeister on 4/17/2014 4:50:01 PM , Rating: 5
*Insert generic Reclaimer77 anti-authority rant here*


RE: Sod Off
By TSS on 4/17/2014 4:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
Funny how you say they should have no opinion on it. Freedom of speech untill they say something you don't like huh?

As much as you like to live in your own mental world, their advice does carry weight. Not being able to write properly is a big deal. Being able to handle building blocks has alot more practical applications then being able to swipe on a iPad. It's called fine motor skills.

It's not a question of wether it's cool or not it's a warning to those parents who, instead of engaging with their kids, simple shove an ipad into their hands to avoid spending time with them. That will have some effects later in life they need to be made aware of.

That said i don't see much use in giving this advice anyway. I'd figure the majority of the parents already choose to ignore this in favor of having more time for themselves. Or are more or less forced to go this route because we live in an age where 2 minimum wage jobs are required to not make ends meat. How you going to engage with your kids if you're spending all your time trying to keep them and yourself alive?


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
RE: Sod Off
By amanojaku on 4/17/2014 5:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
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By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 4:48:26 PM , Rating: 2

That's because "children" read Doctor Seuss! I was reading at an adult level early on.

By TSS on 4/17/2014 4:51:27 PM , Rating: 2

Funny how you say they should have no opinion on it. Freedom of speech untill they say something you don't like huh?

By Reclaimer77 on April 17, 2014 at 5:07 PM
The First Amendment doesn't apply to the UK fyi :)
For someone who claimed to be reading at an adult level since childhood your responses are shocking. TSS never said "the First Amendment", he/she said "freedom speech". Which the UK DOES have, with exceptions. Same as the US. Run into a crowded place and yell "fire" when there isn't one. You'll be thrown in jail in the US, First Amendment be damned.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: -1
RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 6:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and by the way, I was making a joke anyway. Hence the smiley face. Hello?


RE: Sod Off
By atechfan on 4/17/2014 7:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
reclaimer77 said

quote:
Only in America is the freedom of speech an inalienable right to all humans


Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms said

quote:
Fundamental Freedoms

FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS.
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion; (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (d) freedom of association.


Once again, you prove you have no idea what you are talking about. Sadly, you exercise your right to free speech by showing how uneducated you truly are.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 7:19:47 PM , Rating: 1
Canada, where they had Government enforced SPEECH CODES! That were finally lifted in 2012. Not 1812, not 1912, but two thousand and freaking twelve.

http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2012/06/08/an-i...

"For decades, Canadians had meekly submitted to a system of administrative law that potentially made de facto criminals out of anyone with politically incorrect views about women, gays, or racial and religious minority groups. All that was required was a complainant (often someone with professional ties to the CHRC itself) willing to sign his name to a piece of paper, claim he was offended, and then collect his cash winnings at the end of the process. The system was bogus and corrupt."

Yeah great freedom of speech there...


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sod Off
By atechfan on 4/17/2014 7:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
Says the guy from the country where the IRS is sent after people with viewpoints that Obama doesn't like.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: 0
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By atechfan on 4/17/2014 7:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
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In June 2010, the Supreme Court ruled against free speech in a case challenging the legitimacy of the material support statute. In Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, the government accused HLP, a non-profit organization that advocates for human rights and peaceful resolution of armed conflicts by consulting with local groups around the world (and which has consultative status with the United Nations), of material support for terrorism. As the Center for Constitutional Rights explains,

The decision marks the first time that the Supreme Court has held that the First Amendment permits Congress to make pure speech advocating lawful, nonviolent activity-human rights advocacy and peacemaking-a crime. Doing so can land a citizen in prison for 15 years, all in the name of “fighting terrorism.”

The Court's ruling leaves it unclear whether publishing an op-ed or submitting an amicus brief in court arguing that a group does not belong on the list is a criminal act is prohibited. What is clear is that the Court's decision is likely to cast a broad chill over political speech and the activities of humanitarian groups and journalists.


I could go on, but I'll let you further embarrass yourself.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 7:42:55 PM , Rating: 1
LOL I love how you still think you have the high road here. Dude, your Canada example blew up in your face!

I've known for years Canada had speech codes. You're obviously just using Bing and desperately trying to find anything to hurl at me without understanding any underlying context.

And yes Eric Holder is a scumbag, and Obama put two Liberal cunts on the Supreme Court. But comparing ONE ruling to years of Canadian thought-police policies?

Desperate!


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 7:57:42 PM , Rating: 1
And where in the hell exactly did I say in America that Government couldn't infringe on our freedom of speech?

Read what I said again. Yes in other countries there is a defined freedom of speech. Yet that freedom is always derived from the Government, thus can be taken away from the Government.

The Founders believed we had inalienable rights, that were imbued to us not by Government authority, but were "natural" rights. Thus NO Government body could strip them from us.


RE: Sod Off
By atechfan on 4/17/2014 8:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
The usual reclaimer77 moving goalpost. First you claim that no other country has free speech as a right. Then when I gave an example, you come back with a case where this right was abusively supressed, so I show that the same thing happens in your so-called free country. Now you are changing the requirements, so that my examples are not valid but yours somehow still are?

OK, we'll play by your rules. You state that only the US believes that these rights come from a higher power.

The Canadian Charter starts out like this:

quote:
Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:


Sounds an awful lot to me that the rights therein were considered to be granted by a power higher than government, just like in your constitution.

Sure, there have been abuses, but that doesn't make your statement that only the USA has the right of free speech to be any more true, regardless of your backpedalling and rule changing.

While we are on the subject of free speech violations in the USA:

quote:
In the eeriest parallel to my experiences in martial law Poland, on two consecutive evenings the police inexplicably deemed assemblies of people peacefully gathered in a large, grassy University of Pittsburgh plaza to be “unlawful” and ordered everyone to disperse immediately. Police used an “LRAD” (first-ever civilian use of a military sonic weapon that can cause permanent hearing loss), shot pepper spray into dormitory stairwells, and fired rubber bullets and beanbags at fleeing students and curiosity seekers.


When the Chretien government used pepper spray on G20 protesters here in Canada, the nation was outraged and that was one of the events that helped bring down his government and force him to resign. Yet much more dangerous weapons were used against protesters in your country and you probably didn't even know about it.

America is turning into a police state, and you have the gall to declare it more free than the rest of the world?


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 8:33:22 PM , Rating: 1
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First you claim that no other country has free speech as a right.


I never said that.

quote:
America is turning into a police state, and you have the gall to declare it more free than the rest of the world?


I never said that.

I'm getting some creepy Nationalistic vibe from you over this, when it was never my intention to declare my country was the 'bestest evar' or whatever you have in your head. If I've somehow offended you over my quite innocent statement, I guess I'm sorry.

I'm as concerned as anyone over the direction my country has gone in lately. However I still believe in the ideals it's founding was based on. And I am NOT going to apologize for that!


RE: Sod Off
By atechfan on 4/17/2014 8:59:26 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
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First you claim that no other country has free speech as a right.

I never said that.


quote:
Only in America is the freedom of speech an inalienable right to all humans


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/14, Rating: 0
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By atechfan on 4/17/2014 8:22:38 PM , Rating: 5
You are making this too easy.

quote:
And where in the hell exactly did I say in America that Government couldn't infringe on our freedom of speech?


quote:
Thus NO Government body could strip them from us.


You contradicted yourself. Which is it? Can the government take away your free speech, or can it not?


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 8:28:01 PM , Rating: 2
It can't take away our freedom of speech, but of course it can place certain limits on it.

We've all heard the "fire in theater" bit, I'm not going to repeat it.

And why are we going on and on about something that wasn't even my main point?


RE: Sod Off
By inighthawki on 4/17/2014 6:39:19 PM , Rating: 2
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Obviously I'm not arguing that point. Of course it is. I have no problem with teachers stressing the importance of reading. I draw the line at suggesting how parents raise their kids at home.

A teacher's job is to teach students. If they feel that their behaviors outside of the classroom are impacting their ability to learn, they have every right to make suggestions about behavioral changes needed to perform better at school. It's not like the teachers are rallying together to pass a law to restrict iPad usage or something. They're just showing concern.

I'm sure some of these teachers have been teaching for a long time and have taught classes going well beyond the current generation of technology. So if those teachers see a significant difference in performance from previous generations, it would be reason to show concern. On the other hand, teachers who have been in the profession for only a couple years probably don't have much credibility in this concern.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 6:50:00 PM , Rating: 2
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I'm sure some of these teachers have been teaching for a long time and have taught classes going well beyond the current generation of technology. So if those teachers see a significant difference in performance from previous generations, it would be reason to show concern. On the other hand, teachers who have been in the profession for only a couple years probably don't have much credibility in this concern.


That's the problem. Every generation perceives the one after it as being inferior in some way, if not entirely.

This is a perception issue. Before this it was video games. Before that it was television.

Take the US education system for example. All you hear about is how crappy it is compared to yesteryear. Except when you look at the numbers, our students today are basically in NO worst shape than the previous few generations of students in test scores, drop-out percentage, and other metrics.


RE: Sod Off
By inighthawki on 4/17/2014 7:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
I think you misunderstood.

I'm not saying generation X thinks generation X+1's habits/activities are inferior - in fact I specifically mentioned this as having little credibility in my above post.

I'm saying the people who have been teaching for 30+ years and have taught 3-4 or more generations of students. They have the first hand experience to provide a credible claim as to whether a certain trend is impacting learning. If you have 30 years of students and trends pass by with overall similar results, then suddenly the last 5 years of performance has been diminishing, one might be able to provide more credible insight as to why. Those are the people we need to ask.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 8:11:30 PM , Rating: 2
I get what you're saying, but my point is people's perceptions are often flawed. As we get older we tend to put a more nostalgic spin on the way things 'used to be'.

quote:
then suddenly the last 5 years of performance has been diminishing


Well that's the thing, is that happening? I don't know, honest question.


RE: Sod Off
By inighthawki on 4/17/2014 8:29:11 PM , Rating: 2
No I agree. I don't know either. I was just putting out more of a "food for thought" point.


RE: Sod Off
By crimsonson on 4/17/2014 5:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
It is very much their concern. Contrary to popular belief, parents are the PRIMARY educator of children (unless you are total absentee).

Religion, political beliefs, employment, basic reading skills and math skills etc - are "inherited" from parents more so than teachers.

Second, teachers shares the blame and rarely the success of a student progress or lack of.

You obviously have no clue how to properly educate a child.

10 books a month? Come on. That is not even considered high in any standards.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 5:51:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You obviously have no clue how to properly educate a child.


No, I'm not a teacher. But if I was, I wouldn't make it my business how parents raise their children.

We're talking goddamn tablets and phones here, NOT drug use and sexual abuse. Wtf, you guys can't be serious...


RE: Sod Off
By Amiga500 on 4/17/2014 7:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
The biggest influence on any kid's education is their parents. By far.

If you cannot see that or don't realise it from the posts in here, perhaps you should do a bit of reading on the subject.

A teacher has a kid... what, 6 hours of the day 5 days a week for say... 40 weeks of the year. 1200 hrs

A parent has a kid, for 10 hours a day 5 days a week + 16 hours a day 2 days of the week for 40 weeks of the year [assuming 8 hrs for sleeping]. 3280 hrs. Plus the other 12 weeks of the year, 16 hrs a day. 1344 hrs

Teacher ~= 1200 hrs/yr
Parent ~=4624 hrs/yr

Now, of course you need to cut time lost in travel out of the parent's allocation - but after that, the decisions the parents make are the primary drivers of their kid's educational development.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/17/2014 8:00:39 PM , Rating: 2
Do you even understand the issue?

Of course I know parents have the biggest influence on their kids! WTF??

I just don't like teachers, who are state employees, making it their business how kids spend their time at home. I believe there is a line, and that's crossing it.

What is so goddamn hard about that?


RE: Sod Off
By Dr of crap on 4/21/2014 10:29:43 AM , Rating: 2
EVERYONE suffers if the home life isn't good enough to make a kid a good student and not the one that is in and out of prison because he could do well in school.
Yes we ALL suffer if the home life is bad. EVERONE know it yet few are willing to say it. Most of all anyone in the education system.

You sir are the one that doesn't get it!
Do you have kids??


RE: Sod Off
By hpglow on 4/17/2014 9:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think after reading your posts on here for some time some of us are going to form a lobbying group to ban books.


RE: Sod Off
By just4U on 4/18/2014 1:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer is opinionated and there's nothing wrong with that. He's not a troll. If "some" of you think he is than wow.. talk about goal posts moving.. I've been reading his posts for years, and if anything he helps promote activity on DailyTech which is sorely needed and should be encouraged.


RE: Sod Off
By inighthawki on 4/18/2014 12:22:55 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah but I think the problem most people have with his posts is he very quickly escalates to attacking and insulting people, which is in very poor taste. He does often bring up great topics to debate on, but more often than not, reply chains just turns into arguments consisting of yelling and nothing productive at all.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 1:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
I have impulse control issues and anger problems. My humor is also misunderstood often. Plus we need an edit feature so I could take back stuff I didn't mean.

Hey, I'm a child of divorce, give me a break.

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but more often than not, reply chains just turns into arguments consisting of yelling and nothing productive at all.


You can thank atechfan for that. I mean honestly, he turns a forum discussion into a court of law where I'm a hostile witness or something.


RE: Sod Off
By inighthawki on 4/18/2014 1:31:39 PM , Rating: 2
We're all a little bit guilty :)

The best we can do is try to respect each others' opinions. But it's only a comments section on DailyTech. Hopefully nobody is taking anything said here personally.


RE: Sod Off
By MadMan007 on 4/17/2014 11:29:29 PM , Rating: 3
Your blind anti-government rants get old, especially when you just spew it out without thinking about the specific topic. Teachers are specifically saying that this negatively impacts child development - motor skills for young children, and general classroom abilities in older students - and that is explicitly within the bounds of a teacher's concerns.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 7:26:42 AM , Rating: 2
But we've been provided zero evidence or study information that that's taking place. Are teachers qualified to test motor-skill abilities in the UK? Do they?

Hell we don't even know if test scores are suffering!

We've been given ZERO hardcore data to form our own opinion. So I'm of the opinion that their opinion is a bunch of technophobe Luddite "in my day.." hyperbole.

And I'm honestly shocked that on a tech website, so many people are going along with this nonsense. I can only assume it's just to argue with me, I would hate to think this many people are genuine anti-technology nanny's.


RE: Sod Off
By just4U on 4/18/2014 11:01:08 AM , Rating: 2
That's one thing I am a little surprised at.. What evidence do they have, is there any hard data? Have there been studies they can cite to help collaborate their observations?

There could also be ulterior motives for this organization to put a negative spin on such things.. especially if they are hoping to have policy makers establish guidelines for how often/when a child can have access to them.


RE: Sod Off
By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 1:05:49 PM , Rating: 1
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That's one thing I am a little surprised at..


From a Tiffany article? I would be more surprised if we actually WERE given facts and more than just idle opinion.

Hell I would probably faint.

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What evidence do they have, is there any hard data? Have there been studies they can cite to help collaborate their observations?


Good questions. But why are we the only ones asking them? Seems like 95% of this discussion consists of people blindly appealing to whatever the teachers are saying.


RE: Sod Off
By just4U on 4/18/2014 5:14:23 PM , Rating: 2
I kind of wondered that myself..


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