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Infamous file-sharing continues its string of defiance

ThePirateBay.org leader Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, speaking to Swedish newspaper The Local, told recording industry lawyers to “go screw themselves” in response to the IFPI’s Monday demands for $2.5 million in compensatory damages.

The damage figure comes as part of the latest round in the ongoing legal saga surrounding The Pirate Bay and its leadership, which includes Svartholm, as well as co-founder Peter “Brokep” Sunde and administrators Fredrik Neij, among others. The four were indicted late last January on conspiracy charges, for the site’s role in facilitating piracy for 24 music albums, nine films, and four computer games.

Svartholm says he and his colleagues laughed at the claimed amount of damages, which he thinks were calculated by multiplying the number of the number of properties in the indictment times the number of times they were downloaded. This is wildly unrealistic, says Svartholm, because most downloaders would not have paid full price for an album in the first place.

According to Swedish IFPI chapter head Lars Gustaffson, the $2.5 million claim is “based on the albums which the prosecutor has included in his indictment. The injury to the record companies, the artists, and the copyright holders caused by The Pirate Bay’s illegal activity is many times greater.”

“As usual, we’re not too concerned,” said Svartholm. “[The IFPI’s] numbers are pure fantasy.”

Despite continually finding itself under fire for digital piracy, The Pirate Bay has seen an increasing amount of use as a legitimate channel for artists and producers looking to experiment with legal BitTorrent distribution: Trent Reznor famously uploaded part of his Creative Commons-licensed Ghosts I-IV to The Pirate Bay earlier this month – earning back $1.6 million in the first week – and The League of Noble Peers likely earned back all its production costs after experimenting with a novel donation model for its freely-available Steal This Film II.



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Why...
By Azsen on 4/2/2008 1:12:39 AM , Rating: 2
Why do owners of such sites ever reveal their real names? Why wouldn't they use a fake name to register the domain? Seems pretty stupid to run a site which facilitates piracy and make yourself so open to discovery thus being easily sued/arrested.

IQ--;




RE: Why...
By JoshuaBuss on 4/2/2008 1:40:09 AM , Rating: 5
they believe everything they're doing is perfectly legal, and in some contexts it is (TPB doesn't host any of the content they link to)


RE: Why...
By AndreasM on 4/2/2008 1:40:30 AM , Rating: 5
Because it's not illegal in Sweden.


RE: Why...
By leidegre on 4/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why...
By Mudvillager on 4/2/2008 5:26:16 AM , Rating: 3
Torrent sites != Copyright infrighment


RE: Why...
By leidegre on 4/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why...
By Mudvillager on 4/2/2008 8:36:18 AM , Rating: 5
Tell that to Google.


RE: Why...
By tastyratz on 4/2/2008 9:43:49 AM , Rating: 2
Would you sue the grocery store if someone put your business card up without your permission? How is that the fault of the grocery store?

They don't host illegal files they are a non discriminatory bulletin board basically.


RE: Why...
By seekerofknowledge on 4/2/2008 10:06:44 AM , Rating: 4
Bad analogy; business cards are not commodities.


RE: Why...
By therealnickdanger on 4/2/2008 10:10:44 AM , Rating: 5
Neither are hyperlinks.


RE: Why...
By Oregonian2 on 4/2/2008 6:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
Can't say I know what the subject of this thread does, but I do know that Google does in fact directly steal copyrighted material in their web-page cache (which is useful I'll admit) as well as stealing photos (some photos from my websites have been stolen and are now in the google collection somewhere).


RE: Why...
By sporr on 4/8/2008 10:20:48 AM , Rating: 2
Google vs MPAA/RIAA tbqfh.


RE: Why...
By Viditor on 4/2/2008 9:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Copyright infrighment is as illegal as anywhere else


Torrent sites are almost never guilty of copyright infringment, what they are convicted of is enabling copyright infringement. Swedish law doesn't recognize this as illegal...


RE: Why...
By Tsuwamono on 4/2/2008 9:47:10 AM , Rating: 5
Hurray for Sweden

*Goes to TPB And downloads Entire Metalica discography"


RE: Why...
By Some1ne on 4/2/2008 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
what they are convicted of is enabling copyright infringement


Meh. The entire Internet does little more than enable copyright infringement, so if "enabling copyright infringement" is going to be illegal, then maybe we should all just go and sue Al Gore for cursing us with the invention of the Internet.


If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By Darkefire on 4/2/2008 4:03:47 AM , Rating: 1
Change the goddamn laws in Sweden. They've found that torrent trackers are not illegal, and until that ruling changes TPB is doing nothing wrong. Oh, sure, morally they're thieves of the worst kind, profiting openly from the intellectual theft of every major artist on the planet, but thanks to the rulings of their host country (or countries now) they're legally untouchable. Swedish prosecutors can try and convict them on every loophole they can find, but everything will be overturned on appeal because of the glaring lack of legal culpability they can come up with. It's like what "Law and Order" says: knowing someone has done something wrong and proving it are two entirely different things.

Frankly, I'm glad that TPB is the primary target of the RIAA/MPAA/everyone else. So long as torrents are in the crosshairs of the media industry, the real piracy scene will continue unabated and unfazed. When torrents finally are conquered sometime in the next 20 years, they'll have maybe two whole days of celebration before they realize that not a single dent has been made and their stockholders start slowly roasting them over the coals for wasting all that money suing penniless college kids and grandmothers. As long as the internet (and most of Asia) exists, there will be piracy en-masse, and there isn't a law-enforcement agency on the planet that can prevent it.




By Daemyion on 4/2/2008 7:49:46 AM , Rating: 2
Well we can nuke Asia John... Torrents are harder (bloody Internet)...

/scarcasm


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By chick0n on 4/2/08, Rating: 0
By cochy on 4/2/2008 9:19:27 AM , Rating: 1
I'd vote to ban guns.

*ducks*


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By lco45 on 4/3/2008 8:49:42 AM , Rating: 2
Dude, guns are already banned because they can be used to kill people.
Where the hell are you from? America or something?

Luke


By aebiv on 4/8/2008 6:00:34 PM , Rating: 2
So can your hands, that coffee pot, that 19" CRT monitor you have, and the car or bike you ride to school...


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By TITAN1080 on 4/2/2008 9:19:02 AM , Rating: 3
LOL.

You, are a tool.

I'm pretty sure record execs unfairly profit far more than regular people running torrent sites.

Get your head out of corporations' ass you sycophant.


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By seekerofknowledge on 4/2/2008 1:59:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm pretty sure record execs unfairly profit far more than regular people running torrent sites.


Your comments are obliviously those of someone with the thought process of a twelve-year old who has never been taught right from wrong. Not only do you show you’re ignorance in the statement (I’m pretty sure..), but you also attempt to justify the act of stealing by using the socialistic idea of “record execs unfairly profit far more than regular people running torrent sites”.

If you see nothing wrong with stealing, why aren’t you walking into department stores and taking what you want? After all, by your reasoning, department store ‘execs’ make far more than ‘regular people’. Wait – I’ll answer that for you: Because it’s far easier to get caught. You’re nothing more than a low-life cockroach that feeds in the shadows, but scurries when the lights come on.

One can only hope your values will change as you mature and you’ll become a productive part of society and not the parasite that you are today.


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By badmoodguy on 4/2/2008 2:35:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
stealing

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By PWNettle on 4/2/2008 2:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
Walking into a store and walking out with something you didn't pay for (that wasn't free, of course) is stealing.

Downloading music, videos, games where the owner isn't giving it away is stealing too.

Stealing intellectual property is no different than stealing physical property.

Stealing intellectual property is currently easier to get away with since it is more difficult to police and enforcement is lacking.

Just because you can get away with being a thief doesn't make you any less of a thief.


By lco45 on 4/3/2008 9:01:37 AM , Rating: 2
You are right, of course, as everyone with an IQ over 100 and a reasonable education knows (at least deep down).

For me the real tempation of torrents is not that it's free, but that it's convenient.

Right now I'm downloading series 1-10 of a UK TV show called "Scrapheap Challenge". They have never released DVDs for this show, so these are files people have recorded on TV then encoded.

The show is fairly niche, so the producers (UK Channel 4) would probably never make money trying to produce and market DVDs of the show (there are some VHS copies of the first few series).

For me to see these shows in any way other than torrenting would be impossible, or at least highly inconvenient.


By OPR8R on 4/2/2008 2:57:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


LOL... Inconceivable!

I keep reading these "Piracy" treads for something new....

I guess I'll check back another time.


By Oregonian2 on 4/2/2008 6:13:15 PM , Rating: 2
Don't torrents just tell you where stuff is in the store, much like those maps that stores have at their entrances? Or maybe I don't understand the concept.


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By Newspapercrane on 4/2/2008 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
And then we can repeal the bill of rights because someone used a gun in a murder.


RE: If They Really Want to Stop Them...
By lco45 on 4/3/2008 9:03:21 AM , Rating: 2
How about keeping the bill of rights and just commenting out the gun bit? Wow, I think I've solved it!

Luke


By aebiv on 4/8/2008 6:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
Because that isn't how the bill of rights was designed. It was designed to stand as one solid set of rights that cannot be changed.

It is because this country was founded on freedom by men who fled the rule of tyrants.

Luke, how about you just live where it is illegal and quit commenting on another countries freedoms.


You can bet they'll change their tune...
By Beenthere on 4/2/08, Rating: 0
By Nik00117 on 4/2/2008 12:57:52 AM , Rating: 2
In the end it won't really matter anyhow, pirates will conitue doing what they do best.

download, and upload

There is nothing anyone can do about it, and simply cutting off the head of the snake will only allow room for more heads to grow.


RE: You can bet they'll change their tune...
By rtk on 4/2/2008 1:24:06 AM , Rating: 2
Ummm, it's a civil suit, not a criminal case.

They won't do any time.


By JustTom on 4/2/2008 10:32:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote>Ummm, it's a civil suit, not a criminal case.

Ummm, no they have been charged with a crime where they face jail time. This is from the 2/1/08 Corelis blos ( http://tinyurl.com/3aws2k )

quote:
Roswall says that the four should be made to pay at least $188,000, which the indictment says is the minimum profit that The Pirate Bay made from its activities. If convicted, they could face up to two years in prison.
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By johnsonx on 4/2/2008 2:28:10 AM , Rating: 1
wow, what rock did you crawl out from under? Where's your buddy/alter-ego cornfedone?


By JS on 4/2/2008 7:46:47 AM , Rating: 5
Your nick kinda makes your post funny


Another heroic story about the pirate bay boys
By Staples on 4/2/2008 1:53:19 AM , Rating: 2
I am sure there will be a huge group of geeks who will get really excited because after all, these guys are heros. But for people like me who think these guys are a bunch of nobodys, I could care less if these guys all go to prison for the rest of their lives.

People complain about Apple fanboys so much but whenever an anti pirate article is posted here, a different group of fanboys come out of the woodworks and these guys are much more annoying than any Apple fanboy.




By TheSpaniard on 4/2/2008 8:41:58 AM , Rating: 2
hmm the way you translated his post reminds me of the formula of someone elses posts....


RE: Another heroic story about the pirate bay boys
By Apoxie on 4/2/2008 12:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Next to nobody uses Pirate Bay


So i guess there is only about 130 websites in the world, since thepiratebay is nr. 130 amongst the most visited sites in the world: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/...


RE: Another heroic story about the pirate bay boys
By JS on 4/2/2008 12:49:37 PM , Rating: 2
He did actually say "for legal reasons" if you read carefully, which is closer to the truth.

I have actually downloaded a couple of perfectly legal torrents from there, though. Some pdf:s and whatnot.


By Inkjammer on 4/2/2008 1:04:26 PM , Rating: 1
I recently had to download a copy of XP Pro after I discovered the disc had cracked. I was able to download a new copy in about four hours, no effort. So I won't dispute Pirate Bay has its legal uses, but search for just about anything, and you have to dig to find anything legit.


By RateMeDown on 4/2/2008 11:26:52 PM , Rating: 4
Hey Geek - you better get your Fanboy to cool off that temper - LMFAO

what a loser


still there
By astonmartin on 4/2/2008 7:06:26 AM , Rating: 5
You can read some other sometimes funny piratebay conversation emails with accusing companies (for ex. microsoft, EA)here:
http://thepiratebay.org/legal .

In determining the asked claims they usually use the download count which imo really is wrong, as obviously you would not buy everything you download as a lot of it is or contains rubbish to. In that way they should use and see it in an opportunity for promotion.

I also would like to add that you can find A LOT of legal files on TPB and other torrentsites who also "link" to illegal movies/etc.
for ex. the recently released short movie FITNA which was refused on many "legal" sharing websites. In that way it encourages the freedom of speech as ANYONE can get there upload torrented.

Attacking the big ones (TPB/torrentspy) may be a good attempt to hit torrent use in short term period. But it has triggered the event of many small (5000 people) private torrentsites who are more difficult to detect, control , let alone target.

And you must admit, staying around that long as TPB and being up and running again in 3 days after the raid, "fighting" such big lobbies deserves a certain degree of "respect". Despite the fact if its legal or not.




RE: still there
By afkrotch on 4/2/2008 11:29:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And you must admit, staying around that long as TPB and being up and running again in 3 days after the raid, "fighting" such big lobbies deserves a certain degree of "respect". Despite the fact if its legal or not.


Uh huh. Trying to defend your hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, worth of ad revenue deserves "respect". Ya, don't think so.


RE: still there
By majorpain on 4/2/2008 6:04:34 PM , Rating: 1
LMFAO!!!
Damn im still laughing after reading a few replys from them... lol
If any of u guys feel sad, u should go and read some.. so F@$#@$ hilarious!
Btw, i bougtht a computer with Office 2007 PRO OEM with my computer, no DVD to reinstall the suite if i ever needed, and i did... had to download it from torrents in a few hours and used my bought and original license key. Easier than paying to MS to send me a DVD and faster.
Cheers!


I've got it!
By acer905 on 4/2/2008 12:37:27 PM , Rating: 1
I now know how the world can get people to stop filesharing. Or at least make it happen less. Movie makers, song artists, software engineers need to team up together and force hard drive manufacturers, flash drive manufacturers, and blank dvd manufacturers to increase the price of their products to 10 times their current price. People wanna download stuff... go right ahead, if you can afford a place to store the files




RE: I've got it!
By bebesito21 on 4/2/2008 1:26:43 PM , Rating: 2
dude you are crazy...higher prices will not stop them, they will only hurt everyone who uses a computer


RE: I've got it!
By acer905 on 4/2/2008 8:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
honestly i was merely following the logic that is put forth by the masses. And you are right, nothing will ever stop them. The only thing that can ever be done is to take crazy actions that make life difficult for the rest of the world. The many get punished for the actions of the few, its life.


RE: I've got it!
By Haltech on 4/2/2008 8:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, thats like nuking Iraq to kill the terrorists. You might get the terrorists but youll eliminate everyone who isnt.


And...
By Quiescent on 4/4/2008 9:53:11 AM , Rating: 2
Do they get that ThePirateBay is not copyright infringing? It's just another Google, except for torrents. I've been getting some strange traffic from this chinese MP3 search site called baidu to my songs.

Frankly, I'm too paranoid of letting my music be on the internet. I'm afraid someone is going to claim it as their own, when I was the one who put my time and my creativity into them. I knew someone who claim that the songs that came with FLS 6 was his. And that just made me even more paranoid.

Otherwise, I would be happy to share my music, and still accept donations. It's certainly not right to make people pay for your songs if you don't pay for the software you use to make them.




RE: And...
By desertvet on 4/4/2008 2:19:45 PM , Rating: 2
While I must admit that I am very surprised at the number of comments that appear to be standing up for an organization whose primary function is to enable the distribution of copyrighted material (don’t even try to look innocent and deny it), I’m even more shocked at the comments attempting to defend it from a technical standpoint.
quote:
… ThePirateBay is not copyright infringing? It's just another Google, except for torrents.

quote:
They don't host illegal files they are a non discriminatory bulletin board basically.

quote:
Since when is Torrent itself illegal?

What?!! – Why not just say “I didn’t steal any music…I just downloaded a bunch of one’s and zero’s” . This would almost be funny if there weren’t so many people trying to justify stealing.

The reason that the argument “The Pirate Bay is simply acting as an innocent bulletin board” doesn’t work, is the same reason EBay doesn’t allow the Medellin Drug Cartel to auction off kilos of Cocaine – ITS ILLEGAL!


Hmm
By Eugenics on 4/2/2008 4:04:48 PM , Rating: 3
The order of stuff I heartily dislike :P

#1 Child molestors
#2 MPAA/RIAA (they at least know they have sold their souls)
#3 Al-Qaeda

Can't wait till the day these groups are all swinging from trees or buried in sand.




Man, those guys are AWESOME!
By JackBurton on 4/2/2008 10:08:26 AM , Rating: 2
Awesome, just awesome. Keep it up PB!




By jpeyton on 4/2/2008 11:14:44 AM , Rating: 2
Ever since their servers were seized in Sweden, they moved hosting of the website to multiple anonymous hosts worldwide.

Although "never" might be a stretch, I would think taking down the site now is beyond the limited reach or resources of any single legal body or organization.




I Like Volvos.
By fuser197 on 4/2/2008 4:56:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I do.




I don't think...
By T4RTER S4UCE on 4/2/2008 7:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
...that the statement "our country harbors pirates" has ever, in the history of the world, been a good thing to hear until now.




LOL
By hetroo on 4/2/2008 3:47:38 PM , Rating: 1
TPB only provides a link to where you can download your file. They do not hold any files on there servers for you to download. So they are not doing anything wrong!!! Just merely passing information on. Read up on them before you accuse them tbh.




Dailytech promoting piracy again
By bill3 on 4/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: Dailytech promoting piracy again
By alifbaa on 4/2/2008 5:13:36 AM , Rating: 3
I think you are confusing honest reporting with advocacy for a cause. At no time did the author encourage anyone to engage in illegal downloading.

What they did was report what the content holders have filed, TPB's response, and some interesting new developments in the industry which suggest that perhaps the recording industry isn't approaching this issue with the most open of minds.

It was an interesting, well written story about a court case which will have lasting consequences... nothing more. Such neutrality will be hard to find when the content holders use their news outlets to report this same story.


RE: Dailytech promoting piracy again
By Tsuwamono on 4/2/08, Rating: 0
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 4/2/2008 11:04:24 AM , Rating: 3
DailyTech isn't AnandTech, for starters.


By StormEffect on 4/2/2008 1:43:24 PM , Rating: 2
PWNED!


RE: Dailytech promoting piracy again
By i3arracuda on 4/2/2008 3:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
My left hand doesn't know what my right hand is doing, either.

It's probably for the best.


By aebiv on 4/8/2008 6:06:21 PM , Rating: 2
...otherwise it might get jealous?


lol
By gescom on 4/2/08, Rating: -1
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