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Say what you will about The Pirate Bay and its admins, but you can't say they lack a sense of humor.  (Source: The Pirate Bay)
Arggh, the ship isn't sunk yet!

Many times the good things in life just don't last.  That may yet be the case with The Pirate Bay.  For years internet users worldwide used the site to get their music, TV, and movie fix.  Some of the torrents were legal, others were orphaned works (technically illegal to share), and still others were blatant examples of infringement.  But all these torrents had one thing in common -- they brought people across the world together through enjoyable experiences.

However, yesterday the legal woes of the world's largest torrent site forced it to temporarily go offline, signalling a potential end to those happy times.  The site's legal crisis first began when Swedish courts found the site's admins guilty of copyright infringement and ordered them jailed and fined over $3.6M USD.

The site was purchased by Sweden's Global Gaming Factory, which made a bid to make the site legit under a rather nebulous plan.  Now it appears that bid -- and the site -- may be in jeopardy thanks to the aggressive legal action of copyright protection organizations.

The MPAA, RIAA, and IFPI sued the ISP that provided service to The Pirate Bay's ISP and won.  That ISP was ordered on Monday by a Swedish court to take down the site or face daily fines of $70,000 USD.  The site was quickly taken down Monday, only to pop back up after a few hours, only to be taken down yet again.

The site owners, who are currently appealing the original judgement, write, "The good people at the MAFIAA decided to sue. Not TPB [The Pirate Bay], not the owners of TPB. Not even TPBs ISP. They decided to sue TPBs ISPs ISP.  And you know what? They won. They made a court believe their #lies and they made them force the ISPs ISP to shut down access to TPB."

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The MAFIAA has spent millions of dollars and endless amounts of time to get this ban in order.  Our guess is that they also bribed a bit to get it since it violates so many laws not only in Sweden but also in the EU, not to mention violations against human rights. And what do they have to show for it? [Three] hours of partial downtime."

The Pirate Bay admins refer to the MPAA, RIAA, and IFPI, collectively, as MAFIAA due to the organizations' reputation for resorting to at times thuggish legal tactics.  Whatever name you know these organizations as, it is clear that they're on a roll, with massive jury verdicts over U.S. citizens Jammie Rassett-Thomas and Joel Tenenbaum, and securing an order to takedown of the world's largest torrent site.

However, The Pirate Bay admins remain defiant and determined.  As of this morning the site was back online, with no apparent service interruptions.  The admins are now offering a new T-Shirt for sale on the home page mocking the copyright protection organizations.  The shirt reads, "I spent months of time and millions of dollars to close down The Pirate Bay and all I'll get is this beautiful t-shirt!"

Further, the true impact of the takedown and other potential future takedowns may be minimized by the spread of a recently released, easily accessible, archive of the entire site, including all its torrents, written in SQLite3.


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uhh...it's up right now.
By Motoman on 8/25/2009 11:08:26 AM , Rating: 5
Just so you know.




RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By bighairycamel on 8/25/2009 11:29:32 AM , Rating: 2
I assumed that when the word "briefly" was used in the headline.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/25/2009 11:34:02 AM , Rating: 2
Hey guys,
Don't jump on him, he's halfway right...

FYI, we were having some technical difficulties with our article engine, and had to post the story I had written very early this morning before I could edit it with the current information. So it appeared for about a minute saying that the TBP was down before I pulled it to make my revisions... Sorry Motoman, there was no real way around posting the piece briefly.

That said, back to the topic at hand ;)

Should be interesting to see if TBP is able to ward off these takedown attempts for good.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Motoman on 8/25/2009 11:37:56 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Don't jump on him, he's halfway right...


...at the time I posted, I was "all the way right."

:p


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By bighairycamel on 8/25/2009 12:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
Pardon my rudeness then :)


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By sprockkets on 8/25/2009 4:57:26 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe the site is up, but the tracker doesn't appear to be working...


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Entropy42 on 8/26/2009 10:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
Now you aren't right at all, so I guess we can take an average and say you are half-way right.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By damianrobertjones on 8/25/2009 11:50:27 AM , Rating: 1
RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Gzus666 on 8/25/2009 1:57:01 PM , Rating: 4
RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By SandmanWN on 8/25/2009 2:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
His article is about the recently revised testing for Q3 2009.

Your retorts are from the Q1 rebuttal earlier this year.

Just saying...


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By gstrickler on 8/25/2009 2:57:17 PM , Rating: 5
His point is that the reports from NSS can't be considered reliable for the following reasons (taken from the first link he provided, I added the emphasis):

"In addition, the report itself is suspect as it is funded by Microsoft ."

"NSS Labs started with a set of more than 1,779 URLs , which it ultimately narrowed down to a testing set of just 492 sites . These sites were confirmed, by manual testing, to be malicious. Yet, not a single tested URL is presented for comparison . This lack of peer-review opportunity leads some to argue the NSS test was completely biased."

While this applies to the earlier tests, it still calls NSS' methods into question. No explanation is given as to why over 72% of the sites were eliminated from the test, there is no opportunity for anyone outside of NSS to verify the results, and the tests were funded by MS (who clearly wants IE8 to come out on top). Until NSS discloses sufficient information about their testing methodology and tests such that an outside source can say that it's an unbiased test and validate the results, it's just propaganda, ...I mean "marketing".


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Gzus666 on 8/25/2009 6:39:16 PM , Rating: 1
His article also links to a site that uses a blog for it's source. If you click on the source link http://blogs.channelinsider.com/secure_channel/con...

you will see it leads absolutely nowhere. I love "news" that is dubious at best and has no sources!

Looks like a pretty clear case of MS paying for good news for its unliked browser that is waning in use. At the very least, it was a terrible study that proves nothing. The slant towards MS while being funded by the same party just concretes the suspicion.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By gstrickler on 8/25/2009 12:03:32 PM , Rating: 3
Jason, that's the best article I've seen from you on DT. You may know that I'm not one of your fans, so let me take this opportunity to say good job.

While I firmly anti-piracy (I'm a software architect and developer, and I don't want people pirating my work either), I can't stand the tactics of the MPAA and RIAA, so I find it hilarious that they're being outmaneuvered by TPB admins.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
That was elaborated in the Article if you read it.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Motoman on 8/25/2009 11:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
...if you'd read Mick's comment above, you'll see that I posted this when the article was originally posted - saying that TPB was down for good. The article was then pulled and modified to indicate that TPB was only down temporarily.

...yet another reason why DT needs an edit button on comments.


By StevoLincolnite on 8/25/2009 11:53:41 AM , Rating: 5
And I posted before Mick posted. :P

So I guess we are all buggered by the shenanigans performed by the DT staff midgets!


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By walk2k on 8/25/09, Rating: 0
RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Motoman on 8/25/2009 7:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
...it's more of a social experiment than that.

Conceptually, they sort of opened a big park area, and they let people come in and do whatever they want.

Turns out, lots of people want to pirate stuff.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Omega215D on 8/25/2009 11:11:19 PM , Rating: 3
Might as well considering a lot of these producers treat legitimate customers like thieves and lock down everything that we buy so we have little say in what we want.

Skip commercials in a DVD that you BOUGHT? Nope, the studios want more cash. Rip it to get rid of them or stream it? You sir are now a criminal.

There are plenty more examples and these media companies need to stop being douches and start playing nicely with the consumers.


RE: uhh...it's up right now.
By Staples on 8/26/2009 10:09:06 AM , Rating: 1
A logical point not worth arguing. 90% of the people who read dailytech believe they are entitled to things for free.


For those not in the know...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 1:17:07 PM , Rating: 5
They had the entire site's torrent database up for grabs for the past two weeks+. Thus, others anywhere in the world could simply torrent everything TPB had in order to put the site right back online in another country. The Swedish courts can't ban the site in every country, only Sweden.

The site can be shutdown in Sweden, yes. But I tell you now...it can and will be right back up and running in another country, just as it has been for years, the second it goes down.

The MAFIAA has done nothing except waste their money, and they will never see a dime from TPB because they have no money and the Swedish courts cannot squeeze blood from a stone.

EPIC FAIL, MAFIAA. The world laughs in your face. You're a complete mockery.




RE: For those not in the know...
By acase on 8/25/2009 3:57:54 PM , Rating: 4
Seen this yet? LOL

http://mafiaa.org/


RE: For those not in the know...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 4:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
So awesome!


RE: For those not in the know...
By walk2k on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: For those not in the know...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 4:07:34 PM , Rating: 2
It's thieves.

You might be older than me but at least I know how to spell properly.


RE: For those not in the know...
By walk2k on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: For those not in the know...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 5:03:03 PM , Rating: 4
1) I was being facetious on the spelling since you assumed I was some young punk. It's called sarcasm and you're apparently a part of the 49% of Americans who don't get it.

2) Hope you can read Svenska. I can.
http://di.se/Nyheter/?page=/Avdelningar/Artikel.as...

To summarize for you in case you can't: They don't have to pay anything at all. There are no tangible assets for Kronofogdemyndigheten to appropriate from TPB.

In the future, you Corporate Shills might want to stay out of threads on subjects you know nothing about.

Thanks for playing.

Jackattak


RE: For those not in the know...
By Bateluer on 8/25/2009 5:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
TPB will still be up and running again in another country shortly.

The judge in their case was linked to the copyright lobby, so hopefully we'll see a mistrial, or whatever the Swedish version is.

Lastly, TPB doesn't exactly generate any income. They aren't hiding or laundering any money, they simply aren't generating it.


RE: For those not in the know...
By Maxima2k2se on 8/26/2009 11:15:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
if you think they magically don't have to play their fine


I think you meant pay

Just saying :)

Did I lose the argument to?


RE: For those not in the know...
By Jackattak on 8/26/2009 11:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
I think he took his ball and went home.


RE: For those not in the know...
By StraightPipe on 8/25/2009 5:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
The PIE is a LIE

//cake is a lie too


RE: For those not in the know...
By NesteaZen on 8/26/2009 7:51:13 AM , Rating: 2
hehehehe


By Autisticgramma on 8/26/2009 12:33:24 PM , Rating: 2
Pie is not a lie

/cry, however their offer is untrue, the realworld has no more pie than the pie-rate bay.


By Autisticgramma on 8/26/2009 12:21:40 PM , Rating: 1
You sir are a villain, Pie?

Pie is Good, there is no doubt about that, but have you asked Pie what Pie thinks about all things copyright?

How about Marie Calendars suing me on behalf of Pie? I made apple cobbler yesterday, but that is apparently an unauthorized corruption of Pie ingredients.

I think Pie would be appalled, at pie's de-facto involvement in your obvious scheme to use pie as a carrot of the media monopolies.

As far as being spoiled, Pie only sat out long enough to cool, and I assure you taste was not compromised.

Pie-rate Bay will always exist in one form or another. The point is that the media companies missed the boat, or maybe we didn't retrofit the door to let their fat ass on. Regardless, the bay exists because there is demand, on the PC platform for open media, and a wide open wild west to download it on. All they had to do was be first with a storefront, with realistic expectations of what consumers are. And as you can see they Fail.

As far as THEIF, goes downloading a torrent is like picking an apple in a orchard you happen to be walking through. Yes it’s someone's orchard, but if they had the apples at the market I go to, I wouldn't have to find the orchard in the first place. I gotta make Pie with something!

Pie is Good: Live it, Love it, Know it - Gramma


my 2 cents
By invidious on 8/25/2009 1:09:54 PM , Rating: 5
It amazes me how much time and money is wasted in the effort to "destroy" piracy. That money could be used to bring pirates into the legal business realm. The current business model used by the industry is archaic and their failure to adapt to modern technology is laughable.

Most people would rather do the right thing and buy the products they use to support the artists. But the costs are so high and the artists get so little of it, that by paying $1.30 a song on iTunes you almost feel like you are just funding the legal efforts of the RIAA to sue your friends.

In what other industry do end user costs do not drop as production costs drop? In a world of digital media where physical product and the associated distribution/production costs don't exist, there is no reason a digital album should cost more than $5. Instead user costs steadily rise to pay for the expensive legal campaigns and DRM software development.




RE: my 2 cents
By gstrickler on 8/25/2009 3:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with most of your post, I think you're off of your numbers.

quote:
that by paying $1.30 a song on iTunes

A typical CD has an average of 10 tracks and sells for $10-$18 USD. Buying 10 selected tracks ($.69-$1.29 each) on iTunes is $6.90-$12.90, or $$9-$10 for most albums ($6-$20 range). Not only is that 1/2-2/3 the price of a CD, you get to pick and choose which tracks you want. How many CD's have you purchased for 5 or fewer tracks?

quote:
In a world of digital media where physical product and the associated distribution/production costs don't exist, there is no reason a digital album should cost more than $5.
The costs of recording/mixing/engineering are still high, as are the costs of advertising/promotion. The cost of operating a data center with sufficient storage and bandwidth to handle the downloads is also high. I don't know specific numbers, but I suspect $5 for an album is on the low side when all the costs are accounted for if you still want the artists to get paid. $6-$8 is probably closer, but that's just my guess (and I'm not in the recording industry, so I could be way off).

While it's certainly not as high for an album that sells a lot of copies, the recording/mixing/engineering costs are fixed and fairly high, so they lose money on a lot of albums that don't sell a lot of copies and have to make up for it on ones that do sell well.


RE: my 2 cents
By griffhamlin on 8/27/2009 3:18:46 AM , Rating: 2
i , for one, always listen the entire album i bought.
simply because i don't like shit , and i have ears .


RE: my 2 cents
By cubby1223 on 8/25/2009 9:09:29 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
the artists get so little of it

quote:
there is no reason a digital album should cost more than $5

How does this work? Prices are so high that there is not enough for the artist?

I assume you have the numbers on not only what percentage of an iTunes purchase goes where, but also what the total costs are in the production and promotion of the song to compared to the legal costs they go through? And also whether or not the artists support the legal efforts?


RE: my 2 cents
By Oregonian2 on 8/25/2009 11:32:01 PM , Rating: 2
I read a book about the music industry written by an insider. Other than for 'power' acts that have negotiation power, "regular" acts get diddglysquat. Only person to get money is the listed author of the music (and that small percentage was trying to be reduced by the companies).


RE: my 2 cents
By cubby1223 on 8/26/2009 1:35:36 AM , Rating: 3
Bingo!

This post will surely just get lost in a sea of idiots, but when one really looks at this situation, for all that has been "pirated" through The Pirate Bay, and elsewhere, RIAA is still around, and top artists are still raking in millions of dollars, which in turn they pay RIAA to continue on.

If anyone thinks TPB will kill RIAA, well, I really don't know how to respond to that - the only thing TPB is in effect doing is blocking revenue from the little guys. People don't pirate because they want to change the system, people pirate because they don't want to pay anything, and no matter how much the "industry" changes it's models, no matter how consumer-friendly they become, those people will still refuse to pay when the exact same content is readily available for free.

People really are that selfish and egocentric.

If any of you want the system changed, piracy just is not the way to go about it. Piracy in mass cannot be stopped without very radical laws written - and those that piracy will hurt the most will always be the little guys, not the big guys. That's reality.


RE: my 2 cents
By bodar on 8/25/2009 11:57:58 PM , Rating: 3
RE: my 2 cents
By cubby1223 on 8/26/2009 1:11:01 AM , Rating: 2
Switch up the order of that headline to "Apple wants to cut artist royalties to 4%, RIAA wants them at 9%" and the whole dynamic of the discussion changes.

I'd love to see every artist go independent, set up their own shop on the internet. Myself, I would be willing to bet the money making it back to them would drop even more, earning a larger percentage of smaller sales is not a victory. And if someone believes differently, that's okay too.


RE: my 2 cents
By bodar on 8/26/2009 11:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not quite sure how changing the order of the headline affects the content, since both parties want to reduce the artist share from 13%, just in differing amounts. Could you elaborate on that point?


Anyone else notice:
By acase on 8/25/2009 11:33:31 AM , Rating: 2
how odd the text is laid out on the shirt. I was trying to see if it spelled anything, but not that I can tell. I guess it almost looks like a sideways middle finger sticking up, which would be funny...




RE: Anyone else notice:
By ExarKun333 on 8/25/2009 11:47:31 AM , Rating: 2
It's called "right justified".


RE: Anyone else notice:
By Motoman on 8/25/2009 12:15:27 PM , Rating: 3
...which if you think about it, is basically a political/social statement in this case.


RE: Anyone else notice:
By ZoZo on 8/25/2009 12:43:28 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you mean "right aligned" or "flush right"?
"right justified" is when it's justified (as in stretched to both margins) but the last line is aligned to the right.


reminiscent
By snikt on 8/25/2009 2:02:29 PM , Rating: 5
The article reminds me of a scene from Star Wars with slight re-wording:

MAFIAA: Your powers are weak, TPB.

TPB: You can't win, MAFIAA. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.




torrents for world peace
By tigen on 8/25/2009 3:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
"all these torrents had one thing in common -- they brought people across the world together through enjoyable experiences"

Give me a break.




RE: torrents for world peace
By rcc on 8/25/2009 6:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
Well, as with most crimes, one side has a pleasurable experience. And they don't really care about the other side.


All I can say is...
By rudolphna on 8/25/2009 10:09:49 PM , Rating: 4
If nothing else, you kinda have to admire these guys. They have some serious Cohones to play hardball like this with some of the most powerful legal groups in the world..... The arrogance they show is admirable. Good luck TPB!




I'm so torn...
By BigToque on 8/26/2009 1:58:14 AM , Rating: 2
On one hand I fully support **AA in wanting to protect their investments. Regardless of our opinion, they helped produce or helped finance the production of the majority of the content we enjoy and they deserve to be paid, just like anyone else.

On the other hand, so many companies that once enjoyed being in a very good position are finding that their services are becoming completely unnecessary but somehow still believe they have the right to the same money they once made.

Artists these days have access to incredible tools to help them develop their art, and great ways to get their content displayed for free through sites like myspace and facebook. Nobody needs to sign their life away on a million dollar contract with some huge corporation anymore.

Instead of suing everyone, they should be trying to figure out how to become relevant again in today's digital world. It's what every other business has had to do.




RE: I'm so torn...
By cubby1223 on 8/26/2009 2:38:57 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the bands strive to earn some money too.


LoL
By Soldier1969 on 8/25/2009 12:46:01 PM , Rating: 3
Take one pirate bay down 10 more pop up Just like it. Can't get them all mfariaa lol , laughing at your actions daily.




Still not stealing...
By NT78stonewobble on 8/26/2009 5:26:47 AM , Rating: 2
It's still not stealing. It's copyright infringement at most.

If I steal a cd from a store the storeowner is then missing 1 x cd.

A pirated cd isn't "missing" from anywhere.

For it to be stealing one would have to prove beyond doubt that I would have bought the cd if I couldn't pirate it. I imagine that would be hard.

Anyways. What annoys me even more is the friggin "piracy is theft" infomercials on my LEGALLY BOUGHT dvd... And the fact that after shelling out doe the way they want me to I still can't rip "my" movie.




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It's pretty funny...
By Beenthere on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: It's pretty funny...
By BrandtTheMan on 8/25/2009 12:29:02 PM , Rating: 5
Did you ride the short bus?


RE: It's pretty funny...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 1:12:39 PM , Rating: 3
Wow, buddy. Wake-up with our small brain attached this morning, did we? Try to RTFA next time.


RE: It's pretty funny...
By Beenthere on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: It's pretty funny...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 1:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, it didn't cost them a dime. They owe nothing to anyone, as per Swedish law. They don't have it, they don't owe it. I would post a link to an Anandtech competitor's article but that wouldn't be very nice as Mr. Mick has graced us with a perfectly sufficient article here.


RE: It's pretty funny...
By Broman on 8/25/2009 2:16:19 PM , Rating: 3
Sometimes Beenthere sounds like a plant for the MAFIAA. Every comment on the piracy articles that I've seen from [them] have sounded ill-informed, close-minded, and scripted. Just read back through the $1.92M article from last week.

Besides, who says things like, "DENIAL is an illness..."? Somewhat reminds me of a religious nut-case on the side of a popular bar street.

Creepy man... creepy.


RE: It's pretty funny...
By Jackattak on 8/25/2009 2:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
What's even funnier is that we keep getting rated down (along with him).

More MAFIAA corporate shills trying to keep Joe public from being swayed toward the direction of the truth/logic?


RE: It's pretty funny...
By noirsoft on 8/25/2009 6:31:51 PM , Rating: 1
Your "Truth & Logic" is that theft is fine? That people who create works of value don't deserve to be paid?

I would become an armed revolutionary in such a world. Good thing I live in a world where real truth & logic prevail, theft (and intentionally aiding theft) is a crime and people who have intellectual talents are guaranteed the ability to control the products of their labor.


RE: It's pretty funny...
By griffhamlin on 8/27/2009 3:46:28 AM , Rating: 2
it's definitly not theft.


RE: It's pretty funny...
By DizzyMan on 8/27/2009 8:33:55 AM , Rating: 2
Hey man, ur forgetting that all these copyright organizations do not work for artists but for the middle man that is actually unnecessary these days.

It also seems to me that the same people that have always been busy controlling more parts of the world are now, through the MAFIAA, trying to controll the internet. The day they get there will be a sad day for the world.

Not saying that creative work shouldn't be payed. But let's get the money to the artist in stead of the person who printed it on a CD and then claimed all copyrights so NO ONE can do ANYTHING mwith the song.

Think about people making their holiday video's, u cannot use any music cause it is protected... and so on...


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