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Samsung gives 2014 smart TVs the finger

Samsung is gearing up to roll out some new, functionally enhanced Smart TVs next month at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.
 
The new Smart TVs will incorporate voice interaction allowing the user to tune the TV to a specific channel using just their voice. As a result, Samsung is expanding its Voice Interaction service to 23 countries globally (up from 11 countries currently).

 
The Smart TVs will also feature an improved motion control complete with finger gesture recognition. The finger gesture control allows users to change the TV channel, adjust volume, find, and select content using their fingers. The finger gesture control will also allow the user to go back to the previous screen and stop video using a counterclockwise gesture.
 
More details will turn up when CES 2014 kicks off early next month.

Source: Samsung



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Dumb TV
By acer905 on 12/23/2013 12:15:18 PM , Rating: 5
I will not buy a "Smart TV" for the same reason I won't buy an all-in-one desktop PC. I don't want to have to replace the full thing just to upgrade it as if it were a giant phone. Give me the same TV, minus all the smart crap, and just let me plug it in to a Roku/Xbox/PS/Chromecast or whatever is the "latest" device. I almost don't even care if it has a digital tuner anymore. All it needs to be is a big monitor with a lot of inputs and a great screen image.




RE: Dumb TV
By retrospooty on 12/23/2013 12:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
That is because the "smart tv" is designed as a sell point to dumb people that dont know any better. Its fine if its there, but never pay extra for it.


RE: Dumb TV
By Mitch101 on 12/23/2013 12:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
The big problem I see Is 9 out of 10 smart devices never get upgrades/updates and if they do they are still missing streaming services. Your HDTV is missing Hulu and the Blu-ray player is missing Amazon and a bunch of them will never get RedBox. To make is less functional some devices can surf the web but over time the browser is not updated and the browser becomes useless.


RE: Dumb TV
By JDHammer on 12/23/2013 12:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the thing is, how will a smart TV help those who cannot speak? As in those who are deaf and others who are mute? Surely Samsung will not go totally Smart TV on all of us, will they? I don't care for the features, as long as the remote is easy and functional, I'm happy. However, since cable companies have been providing remotes with their set top DVR boxes, whats the point of a "Smart TV"?


RE: Dumb TV
By retrospooty on 12/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Dumb TV
By MrBlastman on 12/23/2013 3:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
As someone who is a PC Gamer that doesn't own all your aforementioned stuff--including a smartphone, believe it or not, I actually get a lot of use out of my Smart TV.

See, I don't have cable. I use an antenna for what little television we watch. Otherwise, our Samsung has Hulu, Netflix, Youtube and all that other stuff built into it or downloadable as apps. It's rather convenient for all of that. I didn't have to monkey with my Wii, which also happens to not be HD.

I also don't own any other modern consoles. I have lots of PS2 and earlier ones, but nothing new. I don't have a need for them as my PC does all the gaming I enjoy and it does it way better than a console could.

I did run a long HDMI cable through the floor and our basment from my PC to the TV and this comes in handy, sometimes. Especially for classic retrogaming as I don't have to hook my old consoles up to the TV an litter our Family room with all the wires. Not to mention the PC can emulate a CRT with all the crustiness that comes with them, nearly perfectly--even phospor fade and glow per pixel.

The TV does its job. I don't have to tie up my PC to run Netflix or all that other stuff on it so for me, it works.


RE: Dumb TV
By Rukkian on 12/23/2013 4:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
First, I think you are in the minority to not have any of that other stuff. While I am a pc gamer as well, I also have other gadgets. To me, paying $150 extra for a tv with "smart" feature as opposed to buying a $35 chromecast seems very silly. Add to that, every single "smart" tv I have played with gets outdated quickly, and updates quit coming (especially when you look at the 5+ years I plan on keeping a tv), and to me, it does not seem like a good plan.


RE: Dumb TV
By MrBlastman on 12/23/2013 5:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
I got it at Costco. The purchase was simple and I was done when I got home. I plugged it into the wall, setup internet in minutes and had Netflix up and running in half an hour. My daughter and wife sat on the couch and were happy.

Mission accomplished!

They aren't for everyone but for some, they're great. Don't get me wrong--I'm a huge tinkerer. I modify nearly EVERYTHING I own. I've hacked apart rudder pedals, re-wired, soldered, put in switches etc. I've modded HOTAS Joysticks with Hall sensors, new gimbals and more. I have even replaced blown capacitors on PCI Soundcards.

But when I comes to Television, I just wanted it done. We watch maybe 1 hour of TV a day--well, I do. Usually a lot less. It was an easy purchase considering I didn't have to mess around with it much. If it gets outdated, well, then I'll buy some gadgets. :)


RE: Dumb TV
By JDHammer on 12/23/2013 8:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have even replaced blown capacitors on PCI Soundcards.


I hope you weren't the one "blasting" them ;-)

quote:
I've modded HOTAS Joysticks with Hall sensors


h4x ;-)


RE: Dumb TV
By retrospooty on 12/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Dumb TV
By Labotomizer on 12/24/2013 2:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
I used to think the same thing until my sister-in-law went searching for one. I told her it was a waste of money and to get a Roku or something else instead. However, surprisingly, she had given it some thought. It was going in the bedroom on the wall. They didn't need cable in there. With a SmartTV they only had to hook up power and nothing else. Makes a wall installation much cleaner.

I also want one for my daughter's room. While she has a cable box, she doesn't have room for much else. The game room has a WiiU/Xbox, so it's covered. Living room has a Roku. My bedroom TV is hooked to my computer as a second screen. However her room would benefit from a Smart TV.

Most people do purchase them without thought but I think it's when some of the people here say they are a waste.


RE: Dumb TV
By jimbo2779 on 12/25/2013 7:35:37 AM , Rating: 2
Im also very happy with my Sammy smart tv, its now 2 years old and regularly gets updates for the smart system and most of the worthwhile apps.

For me, being able to stream Netflix with my good tv remote without yet another device turned on is a god send. My xbox is loud as, ps is a terrible os for any type of media and my dedicated media streamer is great for playing stuff on home network but does a lousy job of everything else. Maybe the new gen consoles will improve on these things but for now the smart tv is best device i have for Netflix and youtube.

For me browsing youtube on my phone and watching the vids on tv is a great feature.

I admit smart functionality may not be for everyone but there are upsides and contrary to what i read from people; they are updated very often, the software, that is.


RE: Dumb TV
By ctodd on 12/26/2013 9:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
My LG 55LA6900 has gone through 3 updates this month alone. It has everything except for RedBox. I think the web browser is Chrome since the OS is basically Android. Now on the flip-side, my Vizio probably has had 1 update since I bought it 3 years ago. I don't usually buy the "Smart" part of the TV, but I lucked out (for the most part) with my LG. The DLNA part works perfect; I haven't found a video file it can't play! What I don't like about the LG smart stuff is they lock the apps down so you can't uninstall them. So I have a lot of apps that are useless to me cluttering my interface.


RE: Dumb TV
By jimbojimbo on 12/23/2013 1:14:11 PM , Rating: 2
Although I agree with you and I have a PC plugged into my TV and use XBMC for most things when I want to watch TV shows on Netflix I tend to prefer the TV app. If it's in your queue it's right there and it's a snap to go to the next episode. To each their own though.


RE: Dumb TV
By Makaveli on 12/23/2013 6:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually as someone that just bought a high end 2012 Samsung Smart TV a few months back. If you want all the new features in your tv you have to buy a smart tv the lower end models get the shaft. Granted I i've turned off all voice control and hand gestures on my current model because its easier and faster to just do it on my harmony one remote.

Also for all the Highend Samsung smart tv's so 2012 and on there is an evolution upgrade kit you can just slap onto the back of the tv to upgrade it to the currents year's features.

however at the end of the day my Amd opteron HTPC under the tv does all the heaving lifting never really cared much for using the built in browser on the tv since it pales in comparison to the full browser I use on the PC.


RE: Dumb TV
By Morawka on 12/27/2013 6:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
The top of the line Samsung Smart Tv's are up-gradable. Essentially the whole motherboard (in the shape of a cube) pops out and you can upgrade later on down the line (HDMI 2.0 and H.265 Support) are some examples of what features can be added to your existing Big Screen TV.


The problem as I see it...
By Vertigo2000 on 12/23/2013 2:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
For me anyway... I get my TV through a cable company who provides me with a PVR so I can record the shows I want. Being able to change channels is pointless when it running through a separate cable box. It makes some of the fancy functions of the smart TV useless.

On top of that, how are these controls working? Some sort of camera I would imagine. If people didn't want their Kinect 2.0 always on, why would people want a camera on their TV always on?




RE: The problem as I see it...
By milktea on 12/23/2013 3:06:23 PM , Rating: 3
NSA would want that because ppl are more aware of image sensors and less aware of gesture sensors. You can cover up the image sensors for privacy, but do you know how to block the gesture sensors?
And with smart/internet connected TVs, the NSA is pretty much in your home.


RE: The problem as I see it...
By kleinma on 12/23/13, Rating: 0
RE: The problem as I see it...
By troysavary on 12/23/2013 6:33:31 PM , Rating: 4
I'd love to have the NSA be able to watch me through a gesture sensor.


RE: The problem as I see it...
By kleinma on 12/23/2013 3:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
I am not a big fan of smart TV, but I can tell you that your problem (at least with Samsung smart TVs), is a problem that does not exist.

I just setup a new Samsung smart TV for a customer, and it works very much like the xbox one (without voice controls).

The TV came with an IR emitter that you position in front of the PVR box. the TV will ask for your provider and zip code so it can get the type of set to box and channel guide. Then from there, you are supposed to use the TV remote and not the PVR remote. The TV remote takes care of sending the correct signals to the PVR. It works pretty well, not quite as good as xbox one does it.


RE: The problem as I see it...
By kleinma on 12/23/2013 3:42:50 PM , Rating: 2
also, at least with Kinect, the camera is actually not always on, but can switch on once the IR camera detects a gesture. The IR camera can't see you like a real camera can it only sees you bathed in IR light. When it needs the full camera, it switches it on, and there is a visible indicator light on the Kinect that the optical camera has turned on. Then of course, if you DON'T like this idea at all, you can disconnect it or simply turn it off in the options.

People making a case against cameras being build into stuff better not have a smart phone, because if you want to talk about devices with a potential for invading your privacy, look in your own pocket.


hmmm
By kleinma on 12/23/2013 12:22:07 PM , Rating: 5
I've got a finger gesture for Samsung...




RE: hmmm
By JDHammer on 12/23/2013 12:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
BIRD IS TEH WORD!!!!!

;-)


suggestion
By DocScience on 12/25/2013 1:25:46 PM , Rating: 2
I want a TV so smart that it refuses to display Snooki or the Kardashians, or other sub-humans.




RE: suggestion
By troysavary on 12/26/2013 5:26:39 PM , Rating: 2
What, you are not smart enough to avoid them without the help of the TV?


Almost Smart
By AskTheChief on 12/23/2013 1:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
I have several Samsung smart devices less than 2 years old and a Roku.

The Samsung Smart interface is OK, and the network reliability is OK, but not the greatest. When wired or wireless I have to frequently refresh the search for "all videos" on my network. So when going through the menu I will select all videos and it will search and then crash taking me back to the top level. Then I go through the multi step process to get back to search again and the second time it will pull up my videos from my network share.

I am on the latest firmware release and have updated it many times. I am really surprised at how often releases come out for these devices. Additionally the smart device does not scroll as nicely as you would think it should.

I never have these problems with my Roku.

I also have horizontal noise lines running through the screen when using the menu on my Samsung Blu ray. But when I start streaming the movie the lines usually go away.

Does anyone else have these issues with their Samsung Blu ray?




So let me get this straight...
By purerice on 12/23/2013 3:38:31 PM , Rating: 2
ANYBODY can change the volume, channel, etc? No thank you. I have enough trouble with two people creating real life drama over what idiotic "drama" to watch on TV when there's one remote. With this they'll be switching back and forth spiting each other. No way. Noooo way!




By 91TTZ on 12/23/2013 5:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
I see this as nothing more than an effort to put cameras and microphones in your living room. I don't really think that they have any devious intention of spying on you for nefarious purposes but I do think that companies have this mentality nowadays that information = money, and the more they know about someone the more money that information is worth.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if in a few years they're caught taking and uploading "limited" pictures of your family sitting in front of the TV to determine viewing habits, racial demographics, number of family members, etc. If they snapped a picture of the family watching an evening sitcom they could gather information about who is watching the program. Media companies would love to obtain that information to tailor the programs to their viewing audience, so TV makers would have a profit motive to obtain and sell that information.

Of course in the process of doing that a picture will eventually be taken of people at home while nude, or having sex, or other compromising behavior and the low-wage workers who need to sort through these photos will eventually see something interesting, take a screenshot and share it online.

These things are going to happen. Since they haven't yet happened it almost sounds paranoid or dystopian, but by the time it happens it'll generate a few news stories and after that it won't really surprise anyone.




Image quality
By rickon66 on 12/23/2013 7:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
It is a sad fact that the TV's with the best image quality are loaded with all of the smart features, they don't make a stripped down model with only a good panel.




By jackpro on 12/23/2013 8:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
The best remote in the business it just works & not a whole lot of different remotes to drive all your different components for the dumb rich.
TV
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/picture/beovision-1...
Remote
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/picture/beo4




What I want to see
By CaedenV on 12/24/2013 9:59:37 AM , Rating: 2
I could care less about 'Smart TVs' that will be on display. Can't wait for the day when TV manufacturers realize that their smart TVs are more of a liability than a selling point as customer satisfaction continues to drop on such devices which causes people to switch to other brands.

Anywho, what I really want to see this year are 4K TVs using DP or HDMI 2 through a single controller chip on the TV. This should simplify the technology for broader device support, less parts used, higher frame rate options across the board, and the end of tiling which is a pain.

Also, the announcement of 4K media (be it bluray or something else) would be a welcome surprise. In theory even a lossless compression would not take that much more storage space than 1080p content because of the amount of duplicated pixels involved. It would however push content from 'cheap' dual layer blurays to much more expensive triple layer discs.




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