Sources: Samsung, The Verge
quote: Since this thing predates the iphone by 1 year and is rectangular with round corners and of minimalistic design, how can apples patents of an identical design filed almost 2 years after it have any leg to stand on?
quote: Nope! We just recently switched to first to file. It is called Ex post facto law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law
quote: I don't think that's illegal.
quote: "Contrary to the image it has cultivated in the popular press, Apple has admitted in internal documents that its strength is not in developing new technologies first, but in successfully commercializing them."
quote: What is so profound is that you gargle on Apple nut sack everyday.
quote: "They" are both the same person. After Tony receives X amount of down votes, he logs in as Testerguy.
quote: Jason Dick's
quote: First off, you are commenting on an article and went straight to calling him "Jason Dick". Immature, irrelevant and insulting
quote: Sencondly, the video is relevant, becasue Apple DOES copy. they copy ideas, they copy tech and they do it "shamelessly" (per Steve Jobs). And its OK. All companies do this. They copy and add, this is what drives progress. It's perfectly fine that Apple copied almost everything that makes the iPhone. The whole thing is a copy, adding the nice multitouch UI and screen. It's OK. The ONLY problem we all have is the suing. The do as I say not as I do thing strikes any sane rational person as as being wrong from the core up. If you cant see that simple logic, then you simply cant see logic.
quote: Happened before, Apple invented the PC too!
quote: According to Samsung, Apple then assigned Shin Nishibori -- a Japanese industrial designer who worked for Apple since 2002 -- to mock up what that text description might look like.
quote: The real "propaganda" is from Apple in that they dont copy, and that others copy from them. The truth is that all companies do it and Apple is one of the absolute worst.
quote: Apple is suing for alot of vague concepts. Its not like they invented the smartphone. All they were is first to market with a multitouch UI... yes it was great, yes it made smartphones alot funner to use. That was a great thing, now let the competition begin
quote: Apple "copied" the whole mobile phone idea
quote: as well as putting and OS and apps on a phone from Palm/Handspring. All companies do this. The entire industry builds off ideas of others. It always has, as all industries always have. Its as if to say, Toyota, GM, BMW and Honda shouldnt be allowed to make cars because they all copy Ford. Specifically Appl's suits are as if Ford sued GM because they have cupholders and mudflaps on their pick up trucks. Petty and irrelevant.
quote: Funny how you're calling many of the features that he says Apple stole "insignificant". This coming from the guy arguing for the company who's suing for the "bounce back" feature at the end of a scroll. LOL
quote: But how come it can't simply be that Apple ALSO reverse-engineered the Sony description?
quote: As you admit, Apple reverse-engineered from a Sony description
quote: the quote you attribute to me is absolute nonsense and clearly not something I, nor anyone logical would claim.
quote: The words from Sony were vague, and even if they inspired Apple to create their OWN design (which was not the necessary outcome from Sonys WORDS) - such 'words' existing from Sony do not constitute prior art since they are not art at all.
quote: Apple is claiming Samsung stole their iPhone and iPad design, which it clearly did.
quote: Sony is not claiming that Apple stole its design, because they, like the rest of the intelligent world, know that this isn't the case.
quote: massive rant
quote: The topic is Apple copying and suing others for copying... That is ALWAYS the topic with Apple.
quote: These are all great things, notable great by the fact that Apple felt the need to copy them
quote: They are all minor, insignificant things, and the majority of phones are not sold because of them, but that is absolutely irrelevant anyway.
quote: And because none of them are patented, they are not at all relevant to any legal discussion over patent / design infringement.
quote: Which brings me on to the relevant content - Samsung copying the fundamental design of the iPad and iPhone, backed up by their own lawyer not being able to distinguish the tablets in court, and by emails and memos, even from Google, telling Samsung that their phone looked too much like an iPhone.
quote: You say 'of course it isn't all patented' as if that's some kind of throwaway comment with no relevance . How can you possibly be so stupid to not realise that that's the ONLY relevant fact.
quote: As for your usual drivel about bias - I repeat that the only reason you interpret my logic as bias is that you yourself are anti-Apple as you demonstrate continuously. I simply correct you, and will continue to do so.
quote: Exactly... The funny thing is that he actually seems to think that only his points are valid and that people agree. The constant -1s on his posts should give away the fact that everyone thinks he is a tool. No sense of self awareness at all. Tester, seriously stop posting... You are embarrassing yourself.
quote: I didnt resort to anything.
quote: You arent objective or mentally balanced enough to have a real debate with, You take any and all info and skew it to Apple. You come across like a spoiled child and act as if you are right now matter what, and the rest of your posts are you frantically trying to prove your are right, so you post half truth's and one sides facts. Clearly by your instant downrate to -1 people agree..
quote: 1. It was out on Android first
quote: So let me get this straight:
quote: -Android doesn't have a leg to stand on...because it didn't patent its ideas/implementation which shouldn't--by rights be patentable.
quote: -Apple has a legitimate gripe because it patented the same kind of ideas/implementation which should never have been granted a patent in the first place.
quote: See, I didn't voice any opinion on whether or not any of the patents in question should be or are valid.
quote: Then you're just wasting everyone's time, because a core aspect of this whole case is whether or not there's validity to Apple's claim.
quote: Do I have to voice an opinion on whether or not a patent is valid to state a fact that if something isn't patented you can't sue over it?
quote: You're the one arguing with something you've now finally managed to grasp and realise that it's simply the factual reality
quote: As for whether or not there is validity to the claimed patents or not, is of no relevance to the points I made whatsoever
quote: If you state that my comments which disproved yours and other comments wrong was a waste of time, by definition the original comments must have been too.
quote: I wonder if you see the irony in accusing someone of wasting time for writing factual logic and then writing such nonsensical drivel.
quote: So let me get this straight:-Android doesn't have a leg to stand on...because it didn't patent ideas/implementation which shouldn't--by rights be patentable.-Apple has a legitimate gripe because it patented the same kind of ideas/implementation which should never have been granted a patent in the first place.
quote: When it comes to patent lawsuits, it would seem fairly important whether you had applied for, and received a patent for an idea/implementation.
quote: But that image isn't a Sony design. It's a mockup of what Apple engineers thought could fit into the Sony design.
quote: If Apple took information made available by [someone else] (in this case, Sony) and wound up with a certain design, Samsung can claim that they ALSO took information made available by [someone else] (again, Sony) and did the exact same thing
quote: And "rectangular with round corners" pretty much covers many phone designs that predates the iPhone. Most hand devices have rounded corners. And of course, nobody mistakes any other phobe with an iPhone. Other than the cheap knock off Airphone4. Which has fake iosmstule buttons, many used over and over again. Check it out on you tube. It looks like a thick iphone4. The weak battery is replaceable, holds two sim cards, has substandard resolution.
quote: The mistake you make is in not realising that the vague description by Sony did not in any way constitute a design which necessarily looked like an iPhone, or the mock up that Apple created.
quote: What you fail to mention is that evidence in this case has shown that Google had even warned Samsung that they were copying Apple, clearly they were more informed than you.
quote: Do some research, the design patents encompass a much wider range of attributes than just shape, such as icons, packaging, size, weight, colours.
quote: The only reason you think I'm behind you is because I'm so far ahead that I'm about to pass you by.
quote: it's but one piece of evidence indicating that Apple's patent is invalid.
quote: Google is not a court of law, and has no control over the patent office, and has no say in whether or not Apple's patents are invalid.
quote: All of which bear examples of prior art. There's a mountain of evidence, child. This latest article is about just one of them.
quote: Does the fact that something is 'but one' piece of evidence mean that therefore it is immediately significant? No?
quote: Does that make your point irrelevant? Yes.
quote: You can't defend a stupid claim by saying that there are other VALID claims you can make.
quote: And lets be clear
quote: The words from Sony in no way constituted a design or a product of any kind.
quote: only Google are much, much more informed and their stating that Samsung copied Apple
quote: you state that Google is not a court of law as if arguing with some imaginary foe who had stated that they are?
quote: If I say... 'none of them bear examples of prior art', does that constitute a valid argument to you?
quote: Apple did not design the iPhone. Sony did"
quote: It's amusing he uses quotes all the time from people, when they have no bearing on the discussion at hand as if it somehow is going to make him seem more intelligent.
quote: I would have thought given some of the comments here that a quote about dunces was utterly apt.
quote: Your support for a such a sleazy company like Apple reminds me of all those who still believe that there is a carburetor that can achieve 100mpg. You simply believe what you want, regardless of rationality or reason. If you simply said that you like your iPhone and that Apple had some good ideas, that would be reasonable. Your implications that everyone stole everything from Apple is so unrealistic that you do nothing but embarrass yourself.
quote: every bit as blinded and biased
quote: Obligated to protect your patents? No, you aren't.
quote: Off topic, if you haven't figured out that DT is "a little" anti-apple, you are an idiot. You and Tony trying to heard counter the entire DT community with your hateful/insulting comments doesn't help Apple, but rather hurts it.
quote: Actually, yes you are, not only to your shareholders but also to validate the patents, it is legally necessary that you seek damages or bans if your patents are infringed upon.
quote: I correct inaccuracies,
quote: Even so I wonder at the awful darkness of a mind that can type ["]Apple did not design the iPhone. Sony did"
quote: I think exaggeration is getting the better of you. Maybe that is a sign of a dark mind. So what's wrong with Apple having to admit it copied something from Sony? Isn't being to proud to admit that also a sign of a dark mind?