backtop


Print 34 comment(s) - last by Any14Tee.. on Jul 7 at 6:15 PM

Any services that don't comply could be banned

Tech giants like Google and Facebook could have to pay to place physical servers inside Russia if a new bill were to take effect. According to TechCrunch, the Russian State Duma passed the first bill last night requiring that personal data of all Russians be stored inside the country.

This means that U.S. tech companies would have to pay big bucks to implement the changes needed to comply. Furthermore, these companies would not be allowed to send data outside of Russia unless they can guarantee data storage inside the country.

“When collecting personal data, including through information and the internet telecommunications network, the operator is required to provide a record that the systematization, accumulation, storage, updating and retrieval of personal data of citizens of the Russian Federation, is held on databases located in the territory of the Russian Federation,” says the bill.

The bill -- which could go into effect by September 2016 -- would ban any applications that don't comply by way of restricting carriers from providing access to such services. 

A few reasons for Russia's new bill may be to fight off piracy, strengthen national security or put a tighter rein on free speech in the country. 


There's also the question of data spying, which has become a hot topic since former U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden blew the cover on the NSA's surveillance programs early last year. These programs consisted of bulk data collection from sources like phone records, where the government took on a "collect now, filter later" approach.

Many top tech leaders, like Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt, have spoken out against the NSA's programs along with civil-liberties advocates, U.S. citizens and even other countries that had the NSA peeping in their window.  

In February of this year, German newspaper Bild am Sonntag said that the NSA was still spying on about 320 politicians and business leaders in Germany, including Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, a close confidant of Chancellor Angela Merkel. This was after German magazine Der Spiegel reported in October 2013 that the U.S. had tapped Chancellor Merkel's phone for years, and spied on 34 other world leaders as well. This led one German politician to call for a complete halt on trade negotiations between the European Union and the U.S. 

In January 2014, Microsoft's general counsel Brad Smith said he felt that customers outside of the U.S. would likely feel more at ease with not only having their data stored in a non-U.S. facilities, but also choosing the exact location of their data centers. 

Source: TechCrunch



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

Not a Russian but
By mchentz on 7/3/2014 4:26:43 PM , Rating: 3
I understand this move by Russia.




RE: Not a Russian but
By bsd228 on 7/3/2014 5:06:39 PM , Rating: 2
> I understand this move by Russia.

You also live in a totalitarian regime?

May all the service providers of the world tell Putin to bit their shiny metal asses. Frankly I wouldn't trust my servers, my IP, or any of my employees safety within Russian borders.

Russia needs IT more than IT needs Russia.


RE: Not a Russian but
By peterrushkin on 7/3/2014 5:26:43 PM , Rating: 2
So when the EU finally gets the balls and does exactly the same.

Your sentiment will be the same?


RE: Not a Russian but
By bsd228 on 7/3/2014 6:19:19 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
So when the EU finally gets the balls and does exactly the same. Your sentiment will be the same?


Generally yes. The whole point of the internet is that you don't need to run servers in every corner. The primary reason to build additional DCs in Europe and Asia is to reduce latency. As a result, an EU mandate wouldn't be too hard to meet - it already makes sense. But a mandate to stick servers in each member state? Ridiculous.

And a mandate to put servers in a nation that has spent the last year invading other nations and lying about it? That has a history of upper government corruption in business? Still fantasizes about the USSR (I'll admit, I dig that anthem)? I see it no different than if Iran make the demand. Or Syria.


RE: Not a Russian but
By peterrushkin on 7/3/2014 6:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
>> But a mandate to stick servers in each member state? Ridiculous.

Of course it wouldnt be that. They would obviously centralise where the data would be held. Most likely somewhere like Ireland.


RE: Not a Russian but
By bsd228 on 7/3/2014 6:54:53 PM , Rating: 2
Scandinavia has become the popular choice now due to the free AC. But Norway isn't a member.

In any event, Russia is insisting it be in their member state, and that is what we're discussing here.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Bubbacub on 7/6/2014 9:17:27 AM , Rating: 2
russia is not a member state of the EU.

though perhaps if they had tried to join in with europe instead of trying to resurrect the USSR the past ten years everyone would have been better off (except vlad and friends)


RE: Not a Russian but
By BZDTemp on 7/4/2014 8:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
Not so obvious. The EU is a club of sovereign nations and it is no way a given that data like that would be centralized.

While the EU member states share many things there is also lots that are not shared, for instance there isn't a EU Police Force or an EU Army.


RE: Not a Russian but
By StevoLincolnite on 7/6/2014 7:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
While the EU member states share many things there is also lots that are not shared, for instance there isn't a EU Police Force or an EU Army.


If that day ever comes, the EU could actually surpass the USA as the dominant world super power, which personally is probably more enticing than China being the top dog...

In regards to servers though, there are usually servers in all major economic zones around the world in order to minimize latency and increase redundancies, you would be incredibly amazed how often undersea cables get cut.

I.E. It's not uncommon for a large company to have servers in the USA to serve the North American mainland, Europe/Britain, for the EU+UK, Singapore for Australia+New Zealand+Southern Asian countries, Japan/South Korea for the Eastern Asian countries, etc'.

What should be of concern is if your data is routed through a Nation whose interest doesn't align with your own, it gives them the privilege of easier data gathering. - Although the USA doesn't really have any grounds to complain, they did it to the entire planet, can't call double standards IMHO, wouldn't be surprised if other countries did the same thing.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/3/14, Rating: 0
RE: Not a Russian but
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2014 8:18:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Vietnam, Korea


How in the hell did we "invade" countries that freaking ASKED for our help and cooperated fully with our forces?

Just stfu.


RE: Not a Russian but
By slunkius on 7/4/2014 12:48:38 AM , Rating: 2
pay no attention to this KGB-paid commentator. he just posts whatever nonsense Kremlin bosses have prepared for him. it's 30 rubles per message they say.


RE: Not a Russian but
By tanjali on 7/4/2014 7:12:05 AM , Rating: 2
You must be real idiot to believe in U.S. foreign policy and politician after all this wars and lies.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/4/2014 6:27:55 PM , Rating: 3
I don't troll but you are a complete TWAT, I never take less than 100 rubles, Comrade.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/4/2014 6:22:59 PM , Rating: 2
'stfu'?
Not polite but I have better things to do, have a nice day :)


RE: Not a Russian but
By Bubbacub on 7/6/2014 9:29:05 AM , Rating: 2
the russian propaganda dude needs to stop watching RT.

however reclaimer,
if you look back at history, technically the communist government of afganistan invited the USSR into help them and cooperated fully with those USSR forces(1).

though part of the vietnamese and korean governments asked for US involvement i don't think that Ho chi mins or il sungs supporters cooperated fully with the US!

all three proxy wars were fought on very similar premises with dubious 'victor writes the history book' morality all round.

on topic - i bet ukraine are really kicking themselves that they didn't join NATO the second the USSR crumbled like the baltic states did.
i don't think even putin would risk activating war against a full NATO member.

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghani...


RE: Not a Russian but
By FaaR on 7/4/2014 4:16:55 AM , Rating: 1
Russia did invade Afghanistan though and created the shithole we have today through ten years of incompetent warfare. Not to mention what's been going on in Chechnya for ages now and what Russia's done to its own citizens over the last couple hundred years or so. So this holier-than-thou attitude fits poorly when applied to Mother Russia, lol.

As to the perfectly legitimate government of the Ukraine, have you checked out how exactly Yanukovic lived before he was ousted? The kind of corruption he and his family was involved in?

Perfectly legitimate indeed! Lol.


RE: Not a Russian but
By BZDTemp on 7/4/2014 1:02:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Perfectly legitimate indeed! Lol.


I think he meant legitimate by Russian standards :-)


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/4/2014 7:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
F**k Yeah, have you tried Russian Standard and pelmeni(pasta)? Drink it straight in a small tumble, Absolut(that's Swedish)heaven!


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/4/2014 6:53:35 PM , Rating: 2
The point I was trying to make and I believe Amiga500 said it so succinctly, "Russia and America are two sides of the coin". I been to Russia, I've been to Ukraine and I love both countries, close to my heart and pretty sad it's kind of f**k up right now.

Politicians don't help they stir up false patriotism. Stop listening to Fox News or RT, this sort of thing goes on, killing goes on everywhere on BOTH SIDES. All I'm saying Xenophobic remarks about Russians Not Very Helpful or deriding any other Nation for that matter does not contribute to intelligent debate.


RE: Not a Russian but
By MZperX on 7/7/2014 11:54:35 AM , Rating: 2
Except when you deride the US, that makes you really intelligent and "edgy". Bashing the US and defending Russia while drawing moral equivalency between two countries. Never been done before. Don't worry we can smell posts like yours a mile away.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Any14Tee on 7/7/2014 6:15:17 PM , Rating: 2
Guys c'mon bear hug, my wife's Russian and I get a bit touchy, that's all.
Where on Earth would we be without the cultural influence of USA today. America is a part of me as it is to you. The bridge that was once too far is now the street across the road. My sister in-law for Pete's sake is American!


RE: Not a Russian but
By Amiga500 on 7/4/2014 7:22:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And a mandate to put servers in a nation that has spent the last year invading other nations and lying about it? That has a history of upper government corruption in business?


I'd jump down off that high horse if I were you, both the USA and Russia are largely two sides of the same coin.


RE: Not a Russian but
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2014 8:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So when the EU finally gets the balls and does exactly the same.


What exactly do we lose if this happens?

Oh that's right, NOTHING.


RE: Not a Russian but
By mik123 on 7/3/2014 5:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
Edward Snowden would probably disagree with you.


RE: Not a Russian but
By GotThumbs on 7/7/2014 9:56:56 AM , Rating: 2
LOL.

This is a DIRECT result of the U.S. Governments/NSA program.

Your pointing your finger of blame in the wrong direction.

It's of no surprise to most of us that this situation is occurring.

Think about the simple act of storing your data in the cloud as opposed to your home computer. Do you have greater confidence today that your data is safer in the cloud or your computer? It's not a matter of not having anything to hide, but how comfortable you are with the U.S. Government sifting through your files.

Don't blame Russia for responding to what we ALL now know is a fact. The U.S. is spying on everyone. You included.

~Best wishes


RE: Not a Russian but
By inperfectdarkness on 7/4/2014 1:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I can understand it, I don't necessarily agree with either side, but I can understand it.

Ideally, no totalitarin regimes like Russia or China would keep citizenry data on their own servers--that just plays into the state-sanitized image that they have worked so hard to perpetuate. Say what you will about the NSA getting caught red-handed, but I suspect that most countries are doing the same thing. Of course, Russia and China will never get caught--too many restrictions in place for such information to ever see the light of day.


How can one Identiy who is a Russian citizen?
By Ktracho on 7/3/2014 5:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
What if while a Russian citizen is living abroad, he/she opens a bank account, then goes back to Russia and tries to update his/her personal information? Must the bank reject his application to open an account in the first place to avoid such an issue?

What is a small developer supposed to do if a Russian citizen downloads a phone app while traveling abroad, and then tries to use it when he/she goes back to Russia? Does such a developer have to develop a special Russian version of his/her app?

How can anyone on the internet know if he/she is dealing with a Russian citizen, versus someone from another country who is merely traveling or living in Russia?




By bsd228 on 7/3/2014 6:56:33 PM , Rating: 2
I think you put in the EULA - "If you are Russian, you may not use this software. If you do so anyway, shoot yourself in the head."


By Murloc on 7/4/2014 8:57:02 AM , Rating: 2
it's a retarded law which will be arbitrarily used against the big players only.
They won't touch the small fish as there's no money in that.


Happy 4th
By bobcpg on 7/3/2014 3:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
In Soviet Russia the Data contains you!




RE: Happy 4th
By retrospooty on 7/3/2014 4:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
+1

Yakov Smirnoff FTW!


ALL
By Scootie on 7/3/2014 4:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
Hail the Russians! Bold move idd.




By thesaxophonist on 7/3/2014 5:32:30 PM , Rating: 2
It's just that we store everyone else's data too.




"I f***ing cannot play Halo 2 multiplayer. I cannot do it." -- Bungie Technical Lead Chris Butcher














botimage
Copyright 2014 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki