Sources: SuperSite For Windows, ZDNet, Neowin
quote: The thing is that the XP house has been around for years and most of the loopholes within XP itself have probably been fixed
quote: We still have systems in the field running Windows 2000, and they run perfectly. Windows XP will run fine for quite some time. I wonder if they will allow new definitions for Security Essentials on XP systems.
quote: what did 8.1 add anyway? a fake start menu?
quote: I wasn't bothered by the "two worlds" feel, but this sort of unifies it. It'd be even better if they did proper transparency.
quote: It's you that wants to stay in the past so you can have your linear start menu back to help lead you to your programs.
quote: Its faster, more intuitive and its search features outclass Windows 7 by a mile.
quote: Are people today just to lazy to organize their work?
quote: But to eliminate the changes and revert to a Windows 7 like OS would be the worst thing that Microsoft could do for its future.
quote: Convertible Ultrabooks are a great demonstration of Windows 8's dual UIs, but $1000-$1500 is way too much for a mass market laptop.
quote: I disagree. Microsoft's future IS Windows. You simply CANNOT screw with that for any future gains that may or may not happen. This future you speak of with one unified smartphone device that plugs into a dock is a possibility, yes, but NOT a certainty. Not something you should bet the farm on.Windows is the only thing in the consumer space that makes Microsoft real money. Windows Phone is a failure, Bing is a failure, and the Xbox is either still running a deficit or barely profitable after over 10+ years.
quote: No that's the absolute BEST thing they can do for their future. Which is why they are announcing these changes. They need to stop the bleeding and stop it fast.They already have Windows Phone and Windows RT for mobile devices. There was absolutely no reason to kludge together a gimped desktop OS with a touchscreen UI for the desktop OS.
quote: I will admit, Windows 8.1 on a touchscreen ultrabook is a much more pleasant experience than a desktop. But how big of a market segment is that even, and is it worth everything they gave up on the PC side?
quote: I guess we see things differently. I see Windows 8 as "giving up" nothing. All you get is the additional option to use the second UI
quote: As I said, Microsoft makes money by selling Windows licenses. If you turn Windows 8 to resemble Windows 7, then there is even less reason to upgrade from Windows 7. Look at the number of people who are only upgrading from Windows XP because of to the discontinuation of support. These minor OS changes aren't compelling enough to convince them to buy a new OS. No matter what desktop OS Microsoft released after Windows 7, there would still be a decline in revenue due to decreasing new PC sales. Microsoft needs to do something to open new markets for its OS.
quote: What these people don't realize is that there is no better alternative for Microsoft than to introduce something new and try a new path of business.
quote: There are certainly ways to improve the workflow of Windows 8. But to eliminate the changes and revert to a Windows 7 like OS would be the worst thing that Microsoft could do for its future.
quote: The stagnation of PC sales is due to a shift towards mobile devices.
quote: Microsoft is on the right track targeting this sector, and it is the only software company that has a plan to provide a unified interface across all its devices.
quote: A result of this is the reintroduction of features that only a year ago Microsoft claimed would never be back.
quote: Reintroduction of ONE feature. LOL! Microsoft's biggest mistake was making a somewhat radical change to a user base that despises change.
quote: Microsoft's biggest mistake was making a somewhat radical change to a user base that despises change.
quote: I loved when Windows 95 came out. I loved Windows 2000. I loved XP. I love Windows 7.If the change is arbitrary and useless, people don't like it. I hate it when my girlfriend moves my tools and I cannot find them. I hate it when automakers put the instrument cluster in the center of the dashboard instead of in front of where the driver is looking. I hate it when companies try to corral me into a different usage model because they believe it would be more profitable for them.This is the mistake that Microsoft made.
quote: Microsoft is on the right track targeting this sector, and it is the only software company that has a plan to provide a unified interface across all its devices. This will pay off in the years to come. Let's just hope that if the "start menu" is brought back, that people don't confuse this minor change as the reason for Microsoft's future success.
quote: Incorrect. Microsoft is not the only software company to provide a unified interface across all supported devices. Nor are they the first. Android has done this since Version 4.0, and even earlier versions stuck very close to the same UI strategy since day 1.
quote: However Android does not have a critical mass of legacy devices that used a completely different UI paradigm to contend with that Windows has. Microsoft's biggest mistake here is to impose a completely different UI paradigm on users that it had spent the last 20+ years teaching to use the old strategy. Long term users are reluctant to change and this kind of paradigm shift requires very careful and slowly staged introduction.You do NOT, under any circumstances, attempt to dump an entirely new UI strategy on an heavily invested userbase as it will always bite you in the ass 100% of the time.
quote: Microsoft's bottom line has already proven this with Windows 8.0. Even with their so-called "state button" Windows 8.1 is not selling any better -- 90% of their Win81 sales is via free upgrades from Win80.
quote: Or rather they did do some integration, but in a less blatant fashion.
quote: Will it boot to desktop?
quote: Is Aero back?
quote: Can I completely remove Metro and never ever ever ever ever see it?
quote: Are the crappy, flat, Miami vice on crack colors from 1980 gone?
quote: If Windows 8.1 went back on some of Microsoft's decisions to ditch familiar Windows features, its successor "Windows 8.2" is expected to continue further down the path of backtracking. According to Mr. Thurrott the next bump -- expected to land sometime late next year or in early 2015 -- will include a full Start Menu similar to that found in Windows 7 and previous releases.
quote: A bulletin board, a fridge, a bookshelf, and hilariously even a desk top all use 2D organization over a large area for accessibility and efficiency, not hierarchical 1D lists.
quote: With tiles I can launch any of ~50 programs with one click, and spatially organize them in 2D. I challenge you to tell me what's quicker and more accessible than that about Win7.
quote: Again, it's stupid, and most people who have used Windows for any length of time want the old start menu back.
quote: I don't need or want the start button.