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  (Source: Reuters)
Ask and ye shall not receive, in the iPhone world

It’s hard to argue the brilliant potential of Apple's iPhone.  The device stands head and shoulders over most smartphones in terms of looks, form factor, graphics, internet capabilities, and touch interface.  So when the new 3G iPhone debuted, customers flocked to it, hoping that the oversights of the first generation model might have been addressed by Apple.

The wish list wasn't very long, and some items on it seem like they would be almost trivial to implement.  Among the desired features as chronicled by Wired -- photo texting, copy and paste, working Flash, browser crash fixes, Wi-Fi iTunes syncs, landscape view for emails, clicking anywhere to take a photo, and the ability to hide unwanted icons.

While one would thing one or two of these fixes -- requested by users and trumpeted all about by the media -- might be added, the iPhone 3G came with exactly none of them.  What it did come with were a plethora of features that were met with varying reactions from modest enthusiasm to total indifference, including Google Street View, direct podcast downloads, application ratings on deletion, line in support (for mics), Emoji icons, location sharing, and Safari tweaks (not crash proofing).  These fixes can easily be gleaned by glancing through leaks from the iPhone Firmware 2.2 Beta 2.

However, it’s the features that everyone wants that aren't there that are grabbing the most attention.  Of the top 20 most requested features, you have to reach 18 before you reach one Apple has implemented -- turn by turn directions.

Many analysts are puzzled that a company could be so out of touch with its user base.  A publicist for FullSix, the " relationship marketing” company that created Please Fix the iPhone drive points out that most big companies have launched initiatives which they use to gather and implement user suggestions.  They point to My Starbucks and Dell's Idea Storm as examples.

Apple does quite the opposite.  It gives people random features they never requested (with the exception of 3G, which was more of an upgrade to modern standards than a feature).  Many blame Apple's polarizing CEO Steve Jobs.  Mr. Jobs has publicly stated before that he doesn't think customers know what they want, but he does.

He likes to express this philosophy by using a Wayne Gretzky quote to refer to his thoughts on feature development; "I skate to where the puck is going to be.  Not to where it’s been."

However, most analysts believe that Mr. Jobs will eventually be forced to relent and offer a feature here and there that consumers have been demanding for months -- or at least one would hope. 



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Just four things...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/2/2008 9:01:13 PM , Rating: 5
I ask for just four things for my iPod touch 2G:

1) Copy & Paste -- this is a no-brainer and I have no idea what's taking them so long to implement this.
2) The OPTION to have flash -- I know a lot of people don't like flash, but at least give us a checkbox option for flash support.
3) The ability to search emails -- self explanatory.
4) MAKE SAFARI MORE STABLE -- the damn browser crashes too much.




RE: Just four things...
By gramboh on 11/2/2008 9:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 3G and would be happy if all of the above were implemented. Overall I still enjoy the phone, I don't use it for my business email currently so it's more of a toy/gadget.


RE: Just four things...
By InternetGeek on 11/2/2008 9:24:10 PM , Rating: 5
Petition denied. Father Job knows better.


RE: Just four things...
By MonkeyPaw on 11/3/2008 7:47:46 AM , Rating: 5
It's just the standard Apple product cycle. Apple gives the customers a product. Customers buy it and complain about what it should have. Apple takes those ideas and puts them into the next product, touting these additions as improvements. This ensures loyalty (the trick is to never provide everything people want) You need not to look any further than the iPod or each launch of OSX that comes with "200 new features" that you can't find.

As for flash? Good luck. Flash already runs rather poorly on powerful Intel Macs (100% CPU)--the iPhone would probably melt in your hand.


RE: Just four things...
By Quiescent on 11/3/2008 6:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
BOOM!

Yeah, with the whole flash thing, it's pretty crappy. Google is doing really bad in the flash department. Right before this new update in Google Chrome, I only had semi-issues with flash websites, and couldn't run Youtube, because it would lag out the whole browser and force me to kill off flash. Now Gmail is screwing up all the time, sometimes even giving me the sick tab image. The worse thing is that for youtube, it makes firefox crash completely as well.

Now imagine that on a phone... especially if safari isn't stable. You open up youtube and it's going to crash.


RE: Just four things...
By Gzus666 on 11/3/2008 7:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling that the common problem here is you and your computer. I run Chrome and Firefox in Windows and Firefox in Linux and run into no problems with any flash whatsoever. I have Firefox and Chrome open at the same time right now, just for grins, to see how well they do with youtube running in both at the same time in Windows. Guess what? No problems.


RE: Just four things...
By KinEnriquez on 11/7/2008 3:40:28 AM , Rating: 1
the flash we're talking about here is camera flash - that thing that lights up when you take a picture, not flash memory


RE: Just four things...
By foolsgambit11 on 11/11/2008 8:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think he was talking about Flash, as in the Adobe Flash Player, not flash memory.


RE: Just four things...
By michaelheath on 11/2/2008 10:28:20 PM , Rating: 3
The only thing I can add to this list is:

5.) A GPS app that works. Turn-by-turn, spoken-word directions that can recalculate your route on the fly.

I can think of a good half-dozen phones that can do this, none of which are new. The iPhone is stuck with a static Google Map, one inflexible route (no 'fastest route' or 'avoid highways'; if you stray, you're on your own unless you stop to erase, re-enter, recalculate, and pray that the network can find you), and written instructions that no sane person would try reading while driving.


RE: Just four things...
By vailr on 11/3/2008 12:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Garmin could design a cell phone with a GPS navigation function included. Or, a "Garmin GPS" added feature version of Google's gPhone.


RE: Just four things...
By Samus on 11/2/2008 10:47:51 PM , Rating: 5
A blackberry does all that. It also has a real keyboard, costs significantly less, and isn't vendor specific.

To me, 'that' is a no brainer :P


RE: Just four things...
By ebakke on 11/3/2008 9:22:49 AM , Rating: 2
It also contains the most cumbersome, unintuitive user interface in recent years.


RE: Just four things...
By gcouriel on 11/3/2008 11:47:39 AM , Rating: 4
not that i agree with your post, but let's run with it. i can learn how to manage my OS. i can't learn how to copy paste on my iPhone. that Apple doesn't want to listen to the demands of its customers is ridiculous. i can't run my business telling my clients "hey, here's what i'm going to do, whether you like it or not, and you don't have a choice," because i'll lose my clients.

Apple is running on a high-streak right now. if they keep mistreating the customer, they're going to realize that their customers may have bought one Mac, but they'll reconsider it for the second one. why buy one if you can't get the applications you need on a daily basis.

poorly run steve...


RE: Just four things...
By Gzus666 on 11/3/2008 12:22:00 PM , Rating: 4
Because Jobba the Steve knows what's best for you, just keep buying their crap.


RE: Just four things...
By ebakke on 11/3/2008 1:43:41 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I'm not defending Apple in any way, shape, or form. I just hate Blackberry too.


RE: Just four things...
By robinthakur on 11/3/2008 5:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
I think this is a storm in a teacup truthfully. I have a 3G and what it does do, it does infinitely better than any other phone I've ever owned including the 2G. I've used Nokia's, Wimo's, sony ericssons and a blackberry and the iPhone is like night and day. The features I miss which don't exist are primarily being able to forward sms's and cut and paste would be useful, but I don't need it particularly often to be honest. I think you would have to search for a long time to find an iPhone user in the real world who isn't extremely pleased with it. The iPhone is in no way shape or form a failure because of these omissions, and may I say it is equally arrogant to look down on all the millions of people who have bought the iPhone and are happy, do you honestly think they're all thick slaves to marketing?
The bottom line is that the iphone is not perfect but is the best of an imperfect bunch. I would like to think that these core features will follow, slower than they should admittedly but still better than not.

Having said that I might get a Storm when it comes out to see what its like and I'm moderately interested in the G1 even though it looks like a child's toy. Seriously, why didn't they spend some money on design, and they would have the iPhone beaten. Maybe.


RE: Just four things...
By Darkskypoet on 11/4/2008 10:48:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'm an iphone user... I am pretty sure I am in the real world, and my treo was far better then this thing for email. Hands down. I could also play divx, xvid, mpg, etc files without having to re-encode, and to top it all off, sms was faster even with huge conversations stored... And I'm talking about a Treo 650 here. Not even something modern. (I could also cut and paste with ease, something very very handy... The excel support was very nice as well)

The only thing I like better about the iphone is the screen, and zoom with real rendering of pages in the web browser... Otherwise, I just wish Palm would have done some real updating to their treo line and not just let it languish since the 650.

(I do mean real updates, considering what they had back 3 + years ago with the 650, they should be much farther ahead then they are now :( )


RE: Just four things...
By PrezWeezy on 11/3/2008 9:00:32 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Mobile 6.1 is also great. More formfactors to choose from and absolutely stable after 3 months. Personaly I don't like the onscreen keyboard, and I'm not a huge fan of blackberry's, so my Mogul works great. And it's extremely fast on the internet compaired to either blackberry or the AT&T iPhone.


RE: Just four things...
By phaxmohdem on 11/3/2008 9:38:58 PM , Rating: 2
*jealous* I'm stuck with a non-upgradable Sprint Moto Q running WinMo 5 (Codename: "Ball Suckage")

I only keep it around for its physical QWERTY keyboard, fairly slim form factor, and Data tethering ability with my laptop.

If someone could make me a phone that had a half or 2/3 height touch screen/Nice UI like the iPhone, QWERTY below the screen, same slim form factor as my Q or the iPhone, and the ability to tether.... I'd love you forever ;)


RE: Just four things...
By Lakku on 11/2/2008 11:22:43 PM , Rating: 3
My phone does all that.. it's called a G1. And, the GPS is pretty darn accurate to boot. It's not perfect, but it's more functional than the iPhone by far, having used both.


RE: Just four things...
By Lakku on 11/2/2008 11:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
And by not perfect and more functional, I mean the phone in general, not just the GPS.


RE: Just four things...
By Gzus666 on 11/3/2008 9:29:29 AM , Rating: 3
I got a G1 as well, really like it. Would like a few things added, like apps to the SD card and Flash, but they say it is coming. Have to say, at least the browser doesn't crash, ha.


RE: Just four things...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/3/2008 10:24:07 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
this is a no-brainer and I have no idea what's taking them so long to implement this.


And I have no idea why you Mac yuppies continue to invest in a product that has SO much less functionality than existing ones which are more solid.

I understand that you put style and social acceptance over function. But why complain about it ?


RE: Just four things...
By michael2k on 11/3/2008 3:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
Um, because the functionality that does exist is easier to use?

At least, that's the word of mouth I get from the other people at work who have iPhones (over Treos, BlackBerries, etc.)

Me? I use Macs and iPhones because the features I do use are easily more usable on the Mac and iPhone. Otherwise, duh, I would use something else.


RE: Just four things...
By ymak on 11/18/2008 12:04:10 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is that the vast, vast majority of Apple users (Macs or iPhones, whichever) really have so little knowledge about the piece of crap they've got in their hand to care. The rest of us, who know better, can't be satisfied with something that looks pretty but doesn't do what we want. They can. They honestly don't need or want to know what a truly good phone should have, because in general they have no idea what they're doing.

Actually, I bet most of my friends with iPhones (plenty) don't realize what a poor product it is simply because they don't use copy and paste or GPS or MMS. They use it as a glorified iPod, and the iPhone can do that. When I buy a smartphone, I'd like it to be smart, please. If I wanted an iPod, I'd just use my iPod.

It's sad how the consumer base of one of the best-selling phones in the United States can possibly be so poorly informed.

If I've said anything stupid, please call me out. First, I'm exhausted and I'm not thinking straight. Also, if you're a Macfreak, please, I like arguing with you. Mostly because I can run circles around you even without any sleep.


RE: Just four things...
By sgtdisturbed47 on 11/3/2008 2:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
1.5 million G1 (Google) cell phones were pre-ordered in mid-October, and the numbers kept going up. The phone debuted and exploded. The G1 is here to take us away from the junk that iPhone is made of. G1 offers full open source, a big touch screen WITH a keyboard, and the potential to bring the iPhone to their already battered knees. The iPhone had its day, but I think more and more people are walking away from it, going for Blackberry Curves and Sidekicks, and now that the G1 has been out, people are also leaving the iPhone for the G1.

BB Curve offers more USEFUL features, real-time push email is included in the $20/month unlimited Blackberry data plan instead of having to pay $30 a month for iPhone data plus ano0ther 15 a month for MobileMe to get push email. The browser is a little better, but to tell you the truth, 3G isn't much faster in the real world than Edge. Coverage is spotty for 3G, and AT&T is a horrible cell phone company (ranked below T-Mobile). It was hot at first, but people have been realizing that it's just a friggin iPod. If you want a serious phone with strong features that matter, the iPhone isn't it. You can't even use a spare battery or remove the memory.

The iPhone is just junk. You want an iPod, get an iPod. If you want a real phone, go get a Blackberry or a G1.


RE: Just four things...
By mezman on 11/3/2008 3:01:58 PM , Rating: 2
I was all about the G1. I almost pulled the trigger on one but I can't stomach the T-Mobile network in Denver. Just too spotty and no 3G at all.


RE: Just four things...
By michael2k on 11/3/2008 4:21:06 PM , Rating: 3
You can get free push email with a Yahoo account on an iPhone.

And the G1 wasn't available for the past year...

Apple can easily "fix" these problems, so we shall see who gets updated faster. At current count the G1 has many significant shortcomings, including lack of A2DP.

It's hard to call the iPhone junk when many competitors are gunning for it...


RE: Just four things...
By pugster on 11/3/2008 9:57:59 PM , Rating: 2
On the other hand, they charge everybody $5 for a stupid crash bandicott racing game.


RE: Just four things...
By lowededwookie on 11/3/2008 11:19:21 PM , Rating: 1
Doesn't copy and paste technically break the terms of the SDK?

Copy and pasting between apps effectively means data is shared between applications which is an SDK NO NO.

Also, why can I not think of a single cellphone that has copy and paste?


RE: Just four things...
By Gzus666 on 11/4/2008 9:35:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, why can I not think of a single cellphone that has copy and paste?


Cause you are stupid? Blackberry, G1 to name a few.


RE: Just four things...
By eldakka on 11/4/2008 8:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
and the Sony-Ericsson P800, P900 (best phone I've ever had until some asshat stole it), P910i, P990i


RE: Just four things...
By lowededwookie on 11/5/2008 1:14:41 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe I am stupid but the Blackberry just doesn't seem like a viable option for copy and paste. It's interface is crap and I can't see how copy and paste would be easy from a pokie keyboard as found on well most phones let alone a Blackberry.

I've used the Sonys and I admit I forgot about them mainly because I didn't think they made those anymore. These seem more ideal for copy and paste due to the stylus.


RE: Just four things...
By blaktron on 11/6/2008 11:01:33 AM , Rating: 2
The thing about copy paste is that it requires a constantly running program (clipboard etc..) to move data between one application to another, and with the iphone restricting background applications, it doesnt really fit in their ecosystem. Which is stupid, dont get me wrong, but with the protected memory that the iphone uses I can see why theres reluctance to add that feature.


Can we please have a feature...
By Motoman on 11/2/2008 10:10:33 PM , Rating: 5
...whereby anyone buying an Apple product is automatically equipped with a sign?

...in the manner intended by comedian Bill Engvall.




RE: Can we please have a feature...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/2/2008 10:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
Your comment would imply that we actually know who Bill Engvall is or what material he talks about...

I only know him from those commercials I've seen of his crappy sitcom on TBS.


RE: Can we please have a feature...
By Motoman on 11/3/2008 12:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
...Google "here's your sign" and you'll figure it out.

As far as I'm concerned, the entirety of his body of work is pretty iffy...but his "sign" bit sure does seem to apply to Apple fans.


By GeneralJohnson on 11/3/2008 7:25:29 PM , Rating: 3
Thats what Google is for....

Heres your sign


MMS
By tjr508 on 11/3/2008 9:58:12 AM , Rating: 2
Did the 3g ever become MMS compatible? That was always my biggest concern about ever buying one since I send MMS messages all the time.




RE: MMS
By DarkElfa on 11/3/2008 10:25:00 AM , Rating: 1
Steve Jobs is an egotistical control freak whose hippie headed fascism makes non fruit heads sick to their stomach.

Apple won't be a great company for consumers until he actually does die of a heart attack.

...or any other way they can think of to knock him off.


RE: MMS
By tjr508 on 11/3/2008 5:30:31 PM , Rating: 3
So does that mean they have not yet implemented Multimedia Message System?


RE: MMS
By jared1234567890 on 11/4/2008 9:51:43 AM , Rating: 2
as i said earlier- instead of typing your number in the contact field get your friends to type in your email and it ll arrive on your iphone.
email is essentially MMS


RE: MMS
By eldakka on 11/4/2008 8:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
And if you don't have an email address?

How do you send an MMS?


As an iPhone 3G owner...
By mpjesse on 11/2/2008 9:35:29 PM , Rating: 3
This biggest thing that the iPhone 3G doesn't have that drives me nuts is MMS. Every single frikin day I get an MMS message from a friend or family member and I have to reply back "please don't send me MMS's, I can't receive them." And they all reply back with "you have an iPhone and it doesn't do MMS?!"

"I know, I know..." is all I can muster.




RE: As an iPhone 3G owner...
By Doormat on 11/2/2008 10:00:13 PM , Rating: 4
Yea, I can live without copy/paste, flash, etc. But I really want MMS.


By jared1234567890 on 11/4/2008 9:48:24 AM , Rating: 2
ok guys i go from post to post and simplify why there is NO mms
get your friends to mms you to your email address- yes they type in your email instead of your phone number very easy, then it simply arrives on your iphone in your emailbox.

why supply a feature twice.


Knowing best eh?
By inighthawki on 11/2/2008 10:34:56 PM , Rating: 1
"Many blame Apple's polarizing CEO Steve Jobs. Mr. Jobs has publicly stated before that he doesn't think customers know what they want, but he does."

I find it hard to believe that when people ask specifically for a feature, that they don't actually want it. If you want copy and paste functionality, that shouldn't translate to "no, you want new <insert random worthless feature here>"

Im not a supporter of apple by any means, but i used to think they were doing things right. Now i ask two questions, where are they going wrong, and why are people still so crazy about these products even though none of the requested features are being filled?




RE: Knowing best eh?
By lco45 on 11/3/2008 5:16:02 AM , Rating: 4
Customers certainly don't know what they want.

By "customers" I mean the entire current and potential market, not individuals.

Individuals certainly know what they want, I'm sure a few people wish the iPhone came in a leopard-skin print.

Sometimes leaving a feature out makes everything else easier to find and use.

For example, take that 'ability to hide unused icons' request. That will totally satisfy the 473 anal retentives out there who wish they had a double layer desktop, but would confuse the 50 trillion users who can't work out where their youtube icon went...


RE: Knowing best eh?
By inighthawki on 11/3/2008 9:15:15 AM , Rating: 2
Where you have a point about the masses, not giving people simple features they ask for is only going to produce negative response to apple and their product, lowering the overall demand. As long as its done right, things such as hiding and icon should not be able to be done "accidentally" and should cause no issues between those who do and don't want it.


RE: Knowing best eh?
By tential on 11/3/2008 10:57:54 AM , Rating: 2
This is EXACTLY why I can't buy products that aren't hacked. The PSP for example. Why would I buy a PSP that I could only use sony firmware on? That would be crazy for me. I mean playing games through the UMD drive? Why would I kill my batterylife like that. I remember only getting like 3-4 hours of gaming in and then once I switched to custom firmware getting like 6-8 which was insane. Then I got added features like crazy because of it. Tell me why the iphone only plays .mp4 when we all know it is capable of playing ALL formats if apple just added it in. I mean without other people writing stuff for a platform if you are stuck with JUST the manufacturer then you are screwed. Thank GOD for the nokia xpress coming out that will make iphone look terrible. Nokia will have a higher res screen and the ability to expand memory to 32 gigs and still have it be about the same price as it is to ebay an iphone (600 USD).


Speakers
By Scalptrash on 11/3/2008 9:43:54 AM , Rating: 2
Why does it have 2 speakers, it only uses the left for most things. You can't even play music in stereo and the ringer is barely audible compared to other phones!




RE: Speakers
By Scalptrash on 11/3/2008 9:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
Oops, found my own answer, the right one is a mic. Still seems silly to me that it's not stereo.


RE: Speakers
By tjr508 on 11/3/2008 5:37:16 PM , Rating: 2
Because the speakers are closer together than your ears?


RE: Speakers
By stargazer3784 on 11/3/2008 6:59:24 PM , Rating: 2
It would seem silly to me if it WAS stereo. For stereo speakers to work, they have to be wider apart than your ears. So, while a mouse would enjoy having it in stereo, there's no way that a human could even listen to the speakers in stereo.


Cut and paste? Ha!
By amanojaku on 11/2/2008 9:06:46 PM , Rating: 5
"The useful iPhone feature will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke




RE: Cut and paste? Ha!
By DeepBlue1975 on 11/3/2008 6:47:02 AM , Rating: 2
Give this guy a 6 or 7 if possible, please :D

I might add that Job's philosophy as for the iPhone looks like:

"You moron, do you think you know what you need? You gonna tell me YOU know YOUR NEEDS and wishes better than I do? Go buy a real smartphone then, I don't want people like you using my Applities"


Screw the iPhone
By SiliconAddict on 11/3/2008 12:06:10 AM , Rating: 5
I'll take my G1. What is missing out of the box will be fixed by developers. For the parts of the OS that people don't agree with they can change without needing the blessing of the damn manufacturer.
Unless Apple changes they will be rendered moot long term as everyone else goes Android.
Screw the iPhone and screw people who are lemmings to their lord and master Steve "iWalk on iWater" Jobs.

The down ranking button is there on the right.




RE: Screw the iPhone
By mfed3 on 11/3/2008 9:29:03 AM , Rating: 2
So is the rank up. :) +1


stereo bluetooth
By Oxonium on 11/2/2008 10:46:05 PM , Rating: 2
A bluetooth stack that enables the use of stereo headphones is all I really want.




RE: stereo bluetooth
By sprockkets on 11/2/2008 11:34:54 PM , Rating: 4
The iphone still doesn't have that feature, something that my Moto Ming had years ago? Oh, it also has copy/paste, mms, an easy button for the camera, etc.

"Oh, but it plays racing games via the g-sensor/accelerometer!"


The way I see it...
By diliff on 11/3/2008 9:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
The problem isn't so much that Steve Jobs knows what we'd want more than we ourselves do. He and his team may well come up with innovative ideas that we'd never thought of, but there is a big difference between being innovative and blatantly ignoring what we are sure we do want .

Why would they not combine innovation and response to customer feedback? Does it have to be all or nothing?




RE: The way I see it...
By DarkElfa on 11/3/2008 10:34:36 AM , Rating: 4
At Jobs' funeral, someone ought to stand up and say "Wow, I never knew I wanted Steve dead until he was, thanks Steve."


IPhone3G
By ClusterAble on 11/3/2008 5:05:02 PM , Rating: 2
I have had my IPhone 3G for 2 weeks now and LOVE IT! I'll take it anyway Steve wants to release it, dont matter to me. Nothing compares to Iphone.

Jiff
www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com




RE: IPhone3G
By Gzus666 on 11/3/2008 5:34:27 PM , Rating: 4
You are a douchebag. Someone needed to say it, so I figured it should be me.


If they fix those things
By dickeywang on 11/3/2008 6:12:40 AM , Rating: 3
How will they find a way to sell the next 10 generations of iPhone?
They just selling patched produces as "new generation" ones, and the best part is, they will only fix one bugs (if any) for each generation.




RE: If they fix those things
By diliff on 11/3/2008 10:48:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How will they find a way to sell the next 10 generations of iPhone?


They might actually have to innovate again? Releasing a half-assed product just so you can update it later without too much hard work is the wrong way to run a business, especially in a fast-paced market like this. Just look at Motorola with its RAZR phone. Virtually no innovation in 4 years and they went from being a market leader to a market follower.


It's more than just the iPhone.
By gochichi on 11/3/2008 12:16:43 AM , Rating: 4
I seriously considered pre-ordering an iPod-touch. I thought “for sure” I’d be able to have every PDA-like feature that the iPhone had. I would have been dead wrong. The calendar features on the first iPod-touch were nearly non-existent (it has no speaker, or vibrating feature, you also couldn’t add calendar events). Obviously the obvious is not obvious to Apple. The little notepad app… they omitted also. I mean the iPod-touch as a PDA makes tons of sense to me. It seemed obvious, I was dead wrong... beware of Apple, do not assume anything.

After buying a number of Macs over a period of about 5 years I've boycotted the brand. I am fervently FOR Microsoft now. IBM-compatibles is where it's at for me. This includes Windows Mobile phones (namely because Outlook is my friend). I also love being able to use my phone as a modem.

Cheers. Hope your iPhone issues are resolved. Hope Apple starts being more open/reasonable.

With the new generation of Macs and the black/aluminum/glossy-glass (mirror?) motiv they have going on I am that much more fervent about my boycotting them.




This article is freaking stupid
By standalone on 11/3/2008 5:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
I've been using the iPhone the day it was released and the worst mistake that Apple made is thinking that developers would actually write useful software. Let's face it, 3G is an over promised network for all carriers, sorry, Telcom, your networks suck, even Verizon!

Second, I don't care about Cut and Paste, GPS, PLEASE NO FREAKING FLASH. No one does anything interesting with Flash, except get in the way.

Nothing comes close to the iPhone, nothing, get over it.

In conclusion, another internet writer who needs to use SJ/Apple name to get readers.




RE: This article is freaking stupid
By Gzus666 on 11/3/2008 5:38:26 PM , Rating: 2
So, because you don't want Copy/Paste, Flash or GPS, no one should get them? I believe all of them can be turned off or just not used, seems like a no brainer here. I have a feeling Jobba the Steve has got to you, sucked your brain and replaced it with an Apple.


Seriously Steve Jobs is right
By raghavny80 on 11/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Seriously Steve Jobs is right
By DarkElfa on 11/3/2008 10:28:42 AM , Rating: 3
When your done, you can pull your head out of Jobs' crack.

Don't you guys have a community of your own to go pray at? We don't do Jobs worship here. Plus, if he knew what customers wanted, he'd throw himself in front of a Mac...

...truck.


By piroroadkill on 11/3/2008 3:43:10 AM , Rating: 3
Proving that people really will buy anything with an Apple logo, even if the company doesn't care about adding the features you want




Take a bite
By fishbits on 11/3/2008 9:23:09 AM , Rating: 3
Perhaps Jobs is holding a bake sale to raise money to fix the iPhone, since Apple used all it money towards advertising instead.




Fix Vista?
By Aeonic on 11/3/2008 3:10:18 PM , Rating: 3
Pot. Kettle. Black.

Seriously does anyone else see the extreme irony in those commercials where Apple claims MS is failing to "Fix Vista"?

And here we have an Apple product, granted, it's a phone, not a computer, but it has major flaws that Apple is failing to fix (but they do spend enough on advertising right?)

I want to like Apple products, I really do, but their false superior attitude, dependence on ignorance and fanboism, stress of style (and apparently useless "shiny" features) over function, and controlling nature are major turnoffs.




Pet Peeves
By KinEnriquez on 11/7/2008 3:37:55 AM , Rating: 3
my pet peeves on my iPhone:

- can't forward text messages

- no cut and paste

- can't receive business cards from other cell phones

- no A2DP

- no MMS (c'mon, cellphones from 1999 can do this)

- no flash

- no zoom (digital or optical)

- Safari on iPhone sux

- battery longevity is iffy, esp. if on 3G

- cant attach contact info in text messages

- 2MP camera? LG Viewty has 5mp, with 120 fps video, for pete's sake.

- no video!

- who cares about podcasts? that's so 2002.




Just got a Touch Pro
By rupaniii on 11/2/2008 9:49:53 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, if the iPhone's onscreen keyboard was as accurate as the Touch Pro's SMALLER OSK then maybe it'd make me happy.
HTC's algorithm is very accurate.
The TouchFlo 3D is not the iPhone, but it's a well gussied up piece of MS. Now, a port of TouchFlo to Android and a functional office application and i could go non winmobile.
oh, or, a slider iPhone.
But, the Touch Pro on it's own has been pretty nice this weekend.




By 229mike on 11/3/2008 1:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
1) OUT DATED 2M-CAMERA WITH NO MMS OR VIDEO RECORD OR ANY SETTINGS FOR OPTIONS WHAT SO EVER!

2) NO STEREO BLUE TOOTH (A2DP) OR FILE TRANSFER! I DON'T CARE ABOUT BATTERY LIFE--GIVE ME MY OPTIONS!

3) NO REAL GPS TURN-BY-TURN DIRECTION!

4) NO RADIO, I MEAN C'MON. MUST I JAIL-BREAK IT TO GET IT?!

AND NOT THAT THE FOLLOWING WERE ALL MY REASONS BUT THERE ARE ALSO THESE:

quote:
www.gsmarena.com

No video calls over the 3G network
The handset wobbles on hard even surfaces
There are a number of messaging downers
Camera has no auto focus, nor video recording… nor any settings at all
Safari browser doesn't support Flash and Java, doesn't have a download manager
Bluetooth support limited to headset use only (no A2DP or file transfers)
No office document editor
No copy/paste functionality
You cannot sync Notes and TO-DOs
No memory card slot (but knowing Apple there will never be one)




As Henry Ford Said...
By kelmon on 11/3/2008 3:16:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If I had asked consumers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.


I honestly think that there is a lot to be said for implementing the commonly requested features that customers want and we know that Apple are working on at least some of them (copy/paste is the one that springs immediately to mind). That said, I don't think that Apple should spend their time working on what customers ask for and instead concentrate on what customers will want when they see it. Sounds odd, I know (hey, the customer is always right, yes?) but it's the only way that progress tends to be made. Apple just needs to make sure that there are not any glaring gaps and ensure that whatever they deliver has a real purpose that is useful to most people.




By DEredita on 11/3/2008 2:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
I can't wait until the Blackberry Storm. I hope it's like an Iphone, but with all the essential convenience features the Iphone is lacking.

I been using Apple Macbooks for 2+ years now, and looking at moving back to Windows. Like this article states, Apple is out of touch with us users, and they're great at throwing us tons of features/items that we never asked for, nor do we want.

Apple also likes removing important features, like Firewire from their Macbooks, raising prices during economic downturns, their annoyingly repetitious propaganda/false advertisement campaigns, and the fact that OSX 10.5 (Leopard) is far more buggy and resource hungry than even Vista was in early '07.




By igorthetroll on 11/3/2008 4:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
Do you guys think that Apple is aware of what and why they doing this? Can they be intentionally not adding the features requested by the users to generate attention to their barand?

Once users get what they want, people will stop talking about Apple in Social Media and other outlets of communication!

So Apple is intentionally stonewalling us to keep the hype going! It is like creating an artificial demand for their product when it first comes out. Apple makes people wait on line outside their stores and tells people the product is sold out. Meanwhile there is plenty of product around and enough employees working in the stores tro service the customers!

Make people wait on a line to show the other prospective buyers that the product is popular.

Apple is just a great marketing machine! They Spin Pr left and right to generate attention to their brand - Apple!




We can all complain...
By MarkCA on 11/3/2008 4:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
We can all complain about the iPhone but cell phones were about as interesting an watching weeds grow, once the iPhone came out everyone started trying to compete with their own iPhone ripoff but to date none have been able to duplicate the overall ease of use or user interface.

I have used lots of PDA/Phones and I never stayed very long with one because they were all very clunky and slow and did not offer what I wanted in a phone. While it has its shortcomings for me it is the best choice out there, for now.

The Android OS phones holds great promise but someone still has to build great hardware to go along with it and while it is a good start the G1 definitely is a 1st gen product.




By limweiseng on 11/3/2008 8:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
Allow all messenger/VOIP/chat running in background.
Fring, Msn, Skype, IM+, Jabber, the list goes on and on.




lol
By hypocrisyforever on 11/4/2008 3:13:31 PM , Rating: 1
You guys are all the worst. I don't particularly like apple as a company and would NEVER buy a mac, but if you've used the iPhone and are still talking crap about it you are out of your mind. The phone is an amazing tool. If you are some heavy business user, get a Blackberry w/ it's old ass but proven interface. If not, the iphone has like everything....and here is an idea for you if you want to text a pic, email it via gmail in the same amount of time!...I love google (gmail specifically), but I'd rather pull my teach out without meds than use Tmobile (g1 phone) as my phone network...lol.




stop whining
By coldcall on 11/3/08, Rating: 0
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