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Apple's Asian supplier Hon Hai Precision Co. is working with Sharp on the designs

While Apple's iPhone and iPad are largely successful, there's one gadget the tech giant just can't seem to get off the ground: Apple TV.

However, a new report from The Wall Street Journal said that Apple may not be bombing out completely in the television realm as it's currently testing TV designs with component suppliers in Asia.

Two sources from some of Apple's suppliers confirmed that Apple is testing designs for a high-definition, large-screen TV set. They also mentioned that Hon Hai Precision Co. (which trades as Foxconn) is working with Sharp Corp. on the project.

While the TV is still in its earliest stages, this represents progress in Apple's TV venture, since products are usually developed and tested in-house before being sent out to suppliers. But it's important to keep in mind that Apple has tested many TV prototypes and this one may not make it to production, either.

Nevertheless, it's a spring forward for the successful tech company who could one day compete with the likes of Samsung, which is already a fierce competitor in the mobile hardware market. As far as television software, Apple could face competitors like Google with its own smart Google TV. Apple's iOS software for mobile devices already competes with Google's Android operating system.

Apple currently sells Apple TV, which is a $99 digital media receiver that plays content from the iTunes Store, YouTube, Netflix, Hulu Plus, etc. However, Apple wants Apple TV to be so much more. For example, a game console, the ability to receive live content over the Web, live content from television networks, surf the Internet, record shows via a built in hard drive, watch Internet videos and play pictures/songs.

Apple's biggest issue with making that dream a reality, however, is its inability to strike a deal with content providers on cable networks for live television content. Comcast and CBS have rejected any affiliation with Apple TV, saying that it wants too much control over the content.

Apple has been fighting this battle with content providers since 2005, but has been unsuccessful so far.

But that doesn't mean Apple TV is a total lost cause. The tech giant was still able to strike deals with content streaming services like Netflix and Hulu Plus to provide content that can be viewed on a television screen. In Q1 2012, Apple sold 1.4 million Apple TV devices, which isn't too bad, but of course Apple is striving for a better product and better sales.

Source: The Wall Street Journal

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By ComputerJuice on 12/12/2012 3:53:47 PM , Rating: 5
Let me guess:
Cut out of a solid block of aluminum, with the "worlds largest retina display" at 46 inches and a extremely "reasonable" price of only $8000!!!
Included in the price: fancy back-lit apple on the back, apple tv & that cool factor that only apple can sell you. i-wallmount & i-remote control for an additional $500.

At least sharp may get back on its feet because of this.

By Digimonkey on 12/12/2012 3:59:07 PM , Rating: 4
Don't be ridiculous.

The back lit Apple logo would go in the front where people could see it.

By headbox on 12/12/12, Rating: -1
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/12/2012 4:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Great for you?

By cknobman on 12/12/2012 5:26:10 PM , Rating: 3
Wrong I care about everything you mentioned and:
the ability to make my own choices instead of big brother dictating what I do.

I use a "mid" priced Asus Zenbook Prime that is every bit as "sexy" as a MacBook with the added bonus of no walled garden and big brother.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/12, Rating: -1
By FITCamaro on 12/12/2012 8:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
So I can install it on any machine I want, run it on any hardware I want?

By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/12, Rating: -1
By ihateu3 on 12/13/2012 2:05:48 AM , Rating: 4
"Most developers I know work on Macs for this reason" is a personal statement, without any substantial evidence.

So if Apple is king, then why is their hardware based on X86 components that are also used in PC's? Same hardware, just lower specs.

Yes you can install Windows and Linux on an Apple, but why would that be a selling point considering that your stance on OSX is being superior to begin with? Also why would that be a selling point considering you can also install OSX and Linux on a PC?

Now that we realize that all OS'es can be installed on either manufacturers hardware, we go back to the beginning, why again is Apple superior?

Windows PC based hardware is universally more powerful than the same X86 based hardware offerings that Apple decides to release. Apple's strong point is that they cater to people who do not know how to use technology very well and make the OS noob proof. So your argument is that you can put Windows or Linux on Apple hardware to run the same content, even on lower specced hardware, why should you even have to do that to begin with since PC's already ship with Windows?

Further alienating the argument, the demographic targeted by Apple, just wants everything to work, they do not want to have to install another OS, think for themselves, or are not tech savvy enough to do so.

Anyone tech savvy would save the money and go PC, because the majority of the world runs Windows and the hardware is better. The computer case may not match your living room drapes, and the advertising may not make you feel cool, but hey for those 2 programs not available on Windows, you could find an alternative program on Windows, or just install OSX.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 7:10:28 AM , Rating: 2
And I didn't really bring consumer PC OEMs into it outside of the Zenbook Prime (Asus has one good notebook) because let's face it, most of them are absolute trash. Talking smack about companies that aren't Lenovo or Apple is like shooting fish in a barrel, way too easy. I reckon its why I will always put my own gaming PCs together.

By kleinma on 12/13/2012 11:26:15 AM , Rating: 2
I am a developer, and I know hunderds of developers, and we don't use macs. When I am out at Microsoft for conferences of thousands of developers, I can usually see 2-3 macbooks in the conference rooms, next to hundres of PCs.

Maybe the developers you know are iOS and OSX developers, and then it would make sense, but most software developers in the enterprise are not running around with macbooks.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 3:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
The Mac using developers I know are mainly Google employees, web developers (both front end and back end; big plus having an OS with Apache/RoR/PHP/etc preinstalled on it), and mobile developers.

If you are going to conferences at Microsoft then I expect you wouldn't see very many Mac or Linux users there.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/14/2012 9:24:16 PM , Rating: 3
The funniest thing is that absolute truth posted by me above, that OS X is not walled garden, gets downvoted while objectively uninformed nonsense by you and ihateu3 gets a pass.

The ignorant bias here is hilarious.

By MechanicalTechie on 12/12/2012 9:22:12 PM , Rating: 2
It amazes me how people boast that 'my mac can even run windows'

Thats just shows that Linux or Windows can run with apples crappy drivers.. i has nothing to do with how good the iSuck is.

Try install OS X on anything than Apple.. its an utter bitch!

By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/12, Rating: 0
By MechanicalTechie on 12/13/2012 3:27:18 AM , Rating: 2
Ohhh really???

So your trying to tell me that Apple supports the same variety of drivers and hardware as Windows and Linux?

Is that what your trying to tell me? Oh please I really wanna hear you explain this one!!!

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 5:59:47 AM , Rating: 1
Its easy enough, you can even throw together one with a GTX 680 if you'd like, ML supports it. 5xx series is way better for taking advantage of CUDA though, something many professional OS X applications take advantage of.

Here you go, ezpz:

Swap out the 560 with a GTX 580 if you'd like, go nuts.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 6:19:52 AM , Rating: 2
I mean, even Blu Ray drives are plug & play, all you need is software to burn to Blu Ray and play back movies if you'd like. In comparison it isn't even that bad a compromise; the latter is something you need with Windows 8 just for DVD playback since they removed the default player for some bizarre reason.

By BushStar on 12/13/2012 5:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
Sure. As long as your average user knows to go to System Preferences and Security to allow apps from all developers to run. I work in IT and get a lot of students coming to me with OS X 10.8 wondering why their software does not run.

I imagine that Apple would like to remove the option to run software from all developers to just apps from their store.

Can't you see where they are heading? Microsoft seem to think it's a good idea too with Windows RT. It may well be walled gardens for all soon.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 6:15:39 AM , Rating: 2
Disabling Gatekeeper is simple, and if you have it enabled then all you have to do is right/cmd-click open an application and authorize it the first time to always run, kind of like UAC in Windows.

Note that Gatekeeper doesn't restrict one to the app store, it also approves applications from developers on their whitelist that are not in it. Or you can just have it completely off like I do. :)

I totally agree that it shouldn't go past this point. Having a global whitelist for developers, which is what Gatekeeper fundamentally is, is a good thing to have as an option for security, but that's all. So long as it doesn't restrict app installation to an internal app store then it is a fine option to have.

If Windows and OS X do go to completely closed-systems that result in serious functional restrictions then I may have to consider Linux down the road, but we'll see when it gets there.

By cknobman on 12/12/2012 5:28:13 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and btw, not everyone is willing to give up their freedom of choice for a shallow hipster image.

By Tony Swash on 12/12/12, Rating: -1
By FITCamaro on 12/12/2012 8:02:36 PM , Rating: 2
Somehow I bet you're a lot more miserable than possibly even you know if you're being serious.

Celebrities are some of the most miserable people on the planet. They're also some of the shallowest.

By fxnick on 12/12/2012 10:21:41 PM , Rating: 1
So..because i have an iphone it make me a hipster?!
I could care less what phone people think im using, its just a dumbass phone!
I like the phone, it does shit i need it to, so what.. that makes me some brainwashed fool?!

By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/2012 11:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
According to many of the DTers here, yes, yes it does.

Its funny too, I spend time on both PC and Mac boards and the Mac-haters cry about Apple user elitism and being brainwashed way more than any Apple elitist I've ever seen. They do it and then brush aside any practical and objective advantages of the platform (faster speed, better apps, better battery life, etc etc).

Not only are the haters stupid, they're absolutely tone deaf and hypocritical as well.

By Helbore on 12/12/2012 5:44:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm betting the bit about the wife was made up.

By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 12/12/2012 5:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
Cool story, bro.

By Uncle on 12/12/2012 7:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple wants Apple TV to be so much more. For example, a game console, the ability to receive live content over the Web, live content from television networks, surf the Internet, record shows via a built in hard drive, watch Internet videos and play pictures/songs." Apple is playing catchup again. My Samsung 3d 52"TV does that and more. Oh I forgot to mention its plugged into my computer.

By Asetha on 12/12/2012 10:45:45 PM , Rating: 3
What does any of that have to do with the location of the Apple logo?

Further, what else would a CBR1000RR be if not a Honda?

I think the Department of Redundancy Department is missing an employee.

By marvdmartian on 12/13/2012 8:52:31 AM , Rating: 1
Freakin' 1-percenter!

I'm laughing at the fact that Apple is doing this with a powerhouse electronics manufacturer....SHARP! ;)

By KITH on 12/13/2012 5:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
Sharp is still pretty big in regards to TV manufacturing, they are just hurting big time financially.

By Ananke on 12/13/2012 12:22:22 PM , Rating: 1
:) Great for you! However, a little sad to hear your hot wife married you just for the money.

By Wolfpup on 12/13/2012 2:29:07 PM , Rating: 1
This is so ridiculous I presume it doesn't actually need refuting, right? LOL

By Schadenfroh on 12/12/2012 8:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
No, the display is in the shape of an Apple logo...

By agent2099 on 12/12/2012 9:23:56 PM , Rating: 2
haven't heard of 4k and 8k have you?

"Retina" TVs are coming, and it has nothing to do with apple.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/2012 11:08:01 PM , Rating: 1
Yup, you nailed it. Apple's importance here is their ability to brute force broad acceptance of this into the market, after which other companies will follow suit with their own version. The tech will be there regardless.

Rinse and repeat.

By RufusM on 12/13/2012 2:19:44 PM , Rating: 2
4K and 8K TVs need 4K and 8K content. High resolution with no content to take advantage of it results in the product being sold as a "future compatible" device with no guarantee if the content will show up.

I'm betting they will iOS'ify it, add a 1080p camera that tracks faces or motion, some voice commands (ala Siri/Google Now), some motion gestures (ala Kinect) and iOS remote controls. It will be a smart TV with a few extras if it's to be released in the near future.

They might have some additional content deals for streaming some movies and shows (ala Netflix/Redbox/Amazon). They're not going to have a complete ala carte streaming channel store to replace cable. Anyone caring to watch anything on cable will still need to have a cable box. I don't think the cable companies are going to give up their control.

By TakinYourPoints on 12/13/2012 3:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
A surprising amount of 4k content is actually there and ready to go. Many films shot on negative that have been scanned for Blu Ray releases in the last ten years also had 4k masters created that are waiting in the wings. The obvious exception to this are films shot in HD over the last ten years, since most of those are limited to 1080p resolution. Movies shot digitally in 4K is a very new thing.

By EnzoFX on 12/12/2012 4:15:21 PM , Rating: 1
All you anti-apple trolls are as bad as that pro-Apple Swash, the troll you seem to love to hate. Get the F over your ignorance. Or did you think you were being funny...

RE: Pathetic
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/12/2012 4:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
Cry some more? Please?

RE: Pathetic
By hiscross on 12/12/12, Rating: -1
RE: Pathetic
By FITCamaro on 12/12/2012 8:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're incorrectly combining two groups of people. Many people who love Apple and hate Microsoft are whiny man-children who love to suck off the government. Most people who don't are the opposite.

RE: Pathetic
By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/2012 8:19:54 PM , Rating: 1
States that take the most government welfare are red states with low income. Bizarre but that's the truth. I reckon most of them are too poor to buy Macs, but they sure as hell can buy econoboxes and ultra-cheap (aka - not GS3 or Note) Android phones.

According to surveys a significantly higher percentage of Mac users have college degrees (70% vs about 50% of other web users), are in professional occupations, and make higher income. It makes sense given that many people who buy Macs either can afford them or actually use them for work, as opposed to the bulk of other users who use their machines for simple casual activities like web or games.

I build my own PCs and I've owned Macs for work so I don't have a horse in this race, it is just annoying seeing people drawing weird conclusions out of thin air.

RE: Pathetic
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/13/2012 3:54:52 PM , Rating: 1
I build my own PCs and I've owned Macs for work so I don't have a horse in this race, it is just annoying seeing people drawing weird conclusions out of thin air.
Yet, you are all over Apple articles defending them.

RE: Pathetic
By fearrun on 12/12/12, Rating: 0
RE: Pathetic
By TakinYourPoints on 12/12/2012 5:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
They mad

RE: Pathetic
By Tony Swash on 12/12/2012 6:11:50 PM , Rating: 4
All you anti-apple trolls are as bad as that pro-Apple Swash, the troll you seem to love to hate. Get the F over your ignorance. Or did you think you were being funny...

Please - call me Tony - we are all friends here in the "Love to Argue About Silly Shit with Perfect Strangers Who We Will Never Meet Club". Plus it's nearly Christmas.

RE: Pathetic
By drycrust3 on 12/12/2012 7:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe your family will buy you something which involves "Apple" and has an intoxicating affect ... just don't drink too much cider.
Merry Christmas!

4k Resolution
By titanmiller on 12/12/2012 10:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
Apple TV will be 4k resolution, absolutely guaranteed. Sharp has taken the lead on 4k and 8k LCDs. The partnership makes this obvious. I welcome it because I notice a lot of aliasing on my 1080p set.

RE: 4k Resolution
By momorere on 12/13/2012 12:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize that a 4k TV costs at least $20,000 right now don't you ? Also realize that no 4k content exists now either. Now just add the mandatory crApple tax and you are looking at at least $30,000 for a TV. Also consider how it will not be called iTV, well at least in the UK. crApple has already been warned against naming it that due to TV station iTV that has been around before Prophet Jobs was born.

I personally can't wait until crApple invents the TV as I have only read about them in sci-fi books.

RE: 4k Resolution
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/13/2012 12:55:46 PM , Rating: 2
You look like an idiot every time you post using the "crApple". Grow up.

RE: 4k Resolution
By momorere on 12/13/2012 1:04:58 PM , Rating: 2
I used to think you were funny posting about crApple but it has gotten way out ta hand. Grow up coming from the guy that acts like he is 12 ? That is almost as pathetic as Tony.

RE: 4k Resolution
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: 4k Resolution
By RufusM on 12/13/2012 2:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
Here it goes:

crApple, Scroogle, Samesung and Micro$oft. Any others?

Oh yeah, iSheep and Fandroid too.

RE: 4k Resolution
By Mint on 12/14/2012 12:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
Unit cost is not $20k. They're selling it for that much because they want to maximize margins.

Apple's legion of fans brings volume with it. That's how they were first with the iPad and MacBook retina displays. When Lenovo offers higher res as an option, the common buyer doesn't pick it. When Apple makes it mandatory, their fans are willing to pay the extra price, because they trust Apple to make tech decisions for them. It's Apple's biggest strength, and something nobody else can replicate.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Apple led the charge for 4K initially, but it will be LCD at first. I think OLED will outshine it within a year or two, and Samsung seems to be the leader on that front also.

By Scootie on 12/13/2012 2:41:43 AM , Rating: 5
Half of the comments here should be deleted by some admin. They have nothing in common with the article, just the typical apple vs everything fight.

It has become boooring lately to read any comments(related to apple products) on dailytech!!!

RE: Erase
By R3T4rd on 12/13/2012 5:37:51 AM , Rating: 2
No one is forcing you to read the comments let alone, the article.

RE: Erase
By Scootie on 12/13/2012 7:48:50 AM , Rating: 3
Sometimes the comments are inteligent, informative, complete the article above it and fun to read. But only sometimes and this is becoming a problem for me ...

So does that mean.....
By rocky12345 on 12/12/2012 3:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
So does that mean if Apple does release a HDTV that they will claim they invented HDTV & everyone else is copying their Designs for TV's & then sue anyone that tries to make HDTV's from that point on.

RE: So does that mean.....
By FITCamaro on 12/12/2012 4:12:55 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely. At the very least try to sue other companies who build computers into TVs.

RE: So does that mean.....
By drycrust3 on 12/12/2012 4:59:05 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the "multitouch" remote, or the unique "4 corners" on the rectangular screen, or using a "swype" sliding control to adjust the volume.

RE: So does that mean.....
By BugblatterIII on 12/12/2012 11:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, and in California they'll win.

4K resolution Smart TV for under $3000
By hrrmph on 12/13/2012 11:46:18 AM , Rating: 2

A 4K resolution smart TV for under $3000 would let them do something new that others would have to struggle to catch up to.

The Apple eco-system would monetize the heck out of it.

I wouldn't buy...

But, it would hasten the eventuality of 4K being ubiquitous. It would force everyone else to compete on a higher plane of innovation and 4K TV prices would naturally have to fall faster than they would otherwise.

I hope they bring it.


RE: 4K resolution Smart TV for under $3000
By Uncle on 12/13/2012 12:48:00 PM , Rating: 3
I wonder if Sharp has the patent on the tech to create 4k 8k. if that's the case,a joint venture would probably keep the competition at bay, for quite some time. Apple would get all the panels sharp could produce.

By ComputerJuice on 12/14/2012 1:19:57 AM , Rating: 3
I doubt it. My new GoPro shoots in 8k, afaik GoPro has nothing to do with Sharp. I believe it would be next to impossible to patent a video resolution. But then again I also thought it would next to impossible to patent a rounded rectangle.

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