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The new 17" MacBook Pro has the most expensive replacement battery yet at $179 to replace. Fortunately, most users won't have to replace it for 3-5 years.  (Source: Apple Insider)
Replacing your battery on your MacBook Pro has become an expensive proposition, but long life may negate complaints

Apple is known for often searching for ways to charge premiums on their products and for puzzling design decisions.  When news of the MacBook Pro 17" update leaked to the web, many were excited with the prospect of getting their hands on Apple's new flagship product showcasing the new aluminum unibody design. 

That excitement quickly turned to concern, though, as Apple announced the product at MacWorld, and revealed that the battery would be much harder to replace.

While the previous 17" MacBook Pro did not have the slick aluminum case of its successor, what it did have was an easily replaceable, relatively inexpensive battery.  The new laptop, which is promised to last 8 hours on a charge, like the MacBook Air, features an extremely hard to replace battery design.

Now more details have come out of Apple, thanks to a discussion between Apple representatives and Gizmodo.  The company has confirmed a replacement price of $179 to remove the new battery and have it replaced.

Fortunately, Apple estimates that a battery has 1,000 charge cycles in it.  This means that at a mid-use scenario of 200 charges per year, the battery would last 5 years.  However, for heavy users this scenario becomes slightly less optimistic, as daily charges would necessitate a replacement in 3 years or less.

The new battery represents perhaps Apple's priciest replacement to date.  Even the MacBook Air's battery only costs $129 to replace.  However, the battery used in the new 17" MacBook Pro is a more advanced design, which Apple states is the reason for the added cost.



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Battery replacements...
By tdawg on 1/8/2009 10:04:26 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know...with Sony charging $249 for spare/replacement 6-cell batteries for even their budget laptops, $179 doesn't sound completely insane (only a little). Only benefit with all the other machines that aren't the new 17" MacBook Pro is that you don't have to send your computer away to replace the battery, which is a big downer. Maybe if you could walk into an Apple store and have them do it while you wait, it'd be ok (maybe this is an option; I didn't actually read the article).




RE: Battery replacements...
By BladeVenom on 1/8/2009 10:18:54 PM , Rating: 5
That their pricing is better than Sony isn't saying much. Even worse is that they want you to send it in to change the battery. That means buying a 2nd battery to carry with you is out, or at least very inconvenient.


RE: Battery replacements...
By tdawg on 1/8/2009 11:24:16 PM , Rating: 2
I know, but it is noticeably cheaper than Sony's standard battery; the price isn't all that outlandish. That's all I'm saying. The price is in the range of some of the other OEMs (Dell, HP, Lenovo). For the record, I did state that having to send it in was a big downfall, I'm not arguing that.


RE: Battery replacements...
By mondo1234 on 1/9/2009 12:27:48 AM , Rating: 2
True, many dell batteries are more costly than this.


RE: Battery replacements...
By dj LiTh on 1/9/2009 7:28:24 AM , Rating: 1
I was just thinking the opposite, i just bout a dell xps and got a 9cell for i believe $70+ more added to the price, now i'm sure that if you were to buy it just by itself without the laptop it would be somewhat comparable but i couldnt imagine it being more than sony's and somewhere around apples price point


RE: Battery replacements...
By mondo1234 on 1/9/2009 11:12:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
True, many dell batteries are more costly than this


I was refering to the $179 for the Apple battery and not the cost comparison with Sony. If you purchase the battery with a system, Dell and sometimes HP will give you a significant break on the price. Buying it after the fact or as a replacement later is much more expensive.
I guess I dont see the "News" in this piece. Nothing unusual or newsworthy here.


RE: Battery replacements...
By rudy on 1/10/2009 6:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
If you try to buy a replacement directly from dell they will charge you like 200$ but the other side is you can get ones from other sources for half the price. Dell direct wanted 170$ for a 1525 battery and I bought one for 90 from another online source.

The trick here is you probably will not have another source with apple since they do not have enough volume on a single battery for a single laptop for competitors to jump in.

But honestly does it matter? Most mac buyers will have no clue until their battery dies. Most mac owners will still never be swayed away by something like this. The only thing it may do is push them to 15 inch models.


RE: Battery replacements...
By mmntech on 1/8/2009 11:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
Lithium-polymer batteries are expensive. High performance packs for hobby use with the same voltage and capacity regularly go for well over $250. I'm assuming the MBP runs at 14.8v, so that's at least four cells right there. To get that kind of battery life, it would probably be running additional cells in parallel so say 5-6 cells total. That's $30-$35 per cell, which is pretty standard for those batteries. Good quality ones anyway.

Making the battery non-user replaceable is a dumb move though given how easy it is to do on the vanilla Macbook. Last thing we need is a return to iBook style upgrades that required you to rip the entire thing apart just to get at the hard drive.


RE: Battery replacements...
By mfed3 on 1/9/2009 9:22:18 AM , Rating: 5
Yes but the difference is that you are BUYING the battery to own and have 2 of, swappable at any time. With this nonsense you are essentially selling them your old one for $0 and then getting a (maybe) new battery or refurbished one, not to mention you have to be without a laptop for a few weeks while they do this. Please, any fanboys in this room just hold your tongue and realize this is a load of bullcrap.


RE: Battery replacements...
By gstrickler on 1/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Battery replacements...
By cmdrdredd on 1/9/2009 11:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Obviously you didn't bother to read anything about the replacement program, it's a new battery. It's also replaced in-store at any Apple Store in about an hour. It would only take longer if the store were out of batteries and/or really backlogged on service (and you would know that before dropping it off, so you could choose whether or not you can be without it for that time) or you're too far away to take it to an Apple Store so you mail it in for repair. I'm sure you also don't know that you can schedule a service appointment at the Apple Store so you can make it convenient for you.


The Apple store doesn't work that way. You have to go online, pick your store location, and schedule a time to talk to a genius bar member. When you get there at the assigned time and date they are ready for you and will call your name. You talk face to face with someone about your issue.

Now here's the problem. The genius bar people are complete idiots who WILL NOT HELP YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE AN APPLE CARE PLAN! If you didn't buy the care plan you are treated like you don't know what you're talking about and they will do everything they can to not look at the hardware in question and blame you, the software you have on your machine, or just make you fork over money for a replacement part that doesn't even fix the problem you came in for because they flat out refused to look at it. Screw apple's service to be honest.


RE: Battery replacements...
By glynor on 1/14/2009 12:14:41 AM , Rating: 2
I've used the Genius service a few times for hardware issues and I never had similar experiences.

I don't have Applecare on any of my purchases. Now, of course, if your product is out of warranty, and you're there for warranty service, then I'd say it is understandable that they'd be less willing to help. Within Warranty though I've had good experiences at the Apple Store Genius service.

I'm a well educated tech user, and I've been through the Genius system more than once. Generally, I know a substantial bit about the problem (and would have tried most reasonable non-hardware fixes before making the long voyage to my closest Apple store).

I can't imagine that any of this applies to a battery replacement though. That wouldn't be covered in most cases (happening well outside the warranty coverage period). I imagine that if you're willing to pay for it, that you can walk in and have them do it. The only problem would be if they didn't have the actual parts in stock (because you are correct that you can't just call in ahead of time and ask, which is annoying).


RE: Battery replacements...
By gstrickler on 1/20/2009 12:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Apple store doesn't work that way... When you get there at the assigned time and date they are ready for you and will call your name. You talk face to face with someone about your issue.
And when you talk to that person face to face, you can find out whether on not they have the battery in stock before you choose to leave the machine for the replacement, therefore, you "would know that before dropping it off", which is what I said. If they don't have it in stock and you can't be without the machine for several days or a week, don't leave it.

Again, price and repair time will both non-issues for over 99% of users since few will ever need the battery replaced. Most users don't ever replace the removable batteries in the previous generation machines and this one has 40% more capacity and 3x the cycle life.


RE: Battery replacements...
By gstrickler on 1/19/2009 5:16:25 PM , Rating: 1
So why the -1 on that post?

No insults, flames, personal attacks, etc. Just factual responses to some assertions that have no basis.

??????


RE: Battery replacements...
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:18:26 PM , Rating: 2
Your prices are way out of line. It has about $50 worth of cells in it. If you pay a lot more what can I say but look around for a better price, and remember this isn't a one-off pack for a specialty hobby, this is a manufacturer buying them in bulk so the $50 is actually on the high side of the cell cost though there's the battery board and other things, adding $5 perhaps.


RE: Battery replacements...
By tdktank59 on 1/9/2009 1:28:28 AM , Rating: 2
Well look at the price for a replacement glass screen for the ipod touches and iphones...

259.00 for a replacement thats total BS for a replacement...

Did the replacement myself for 60 bucks...


RE: Battery replacements...
By Mitch101 on 1/9/2009 9:17:02 AM , Rating: 1
I would anticipate lawsuits will eventually happen with companies that believe they can make a buck on selling items with non replaceable batteries. Why because its not green and the green groups will eventually notice this too that when its time to discard all these Laptops and MP3 Players one cant easily recycle the battery separate from the device.

While I am not really green person I wouldn't have any issue with pulling the battery and discarding it separately from broken/old devices. But I cant can I?


RE: Battery replacements...
By drakore on 1/9/2009 10:52:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would anticipate lawsuits will eventually happen with companies that believe they can make a buck on selling items with non replaceable batteries.


Ummm they aren't doing anything illegal...


RE: Battery replacements...
By Mitch101 on 1/9/2009 11:15:18 AM , Rating: 2
Its only a matter of time.

EU agrees battery recycling law
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4969544.st...

The directive calls for collection points to be established where consumers can hand in used batteries - including those from toys, computers or mobile phones - and obliges shops to collect used batteries from consumers at no extra cost.

It also says that all batteries must be removable , and that all producers of batteries must be registered.

The EU gives high priority to making sure that batteries and accumulators no longer cause health and environmental problems due to the heavy metals they contain


RE: Battery replacements...
By SavagePotato on 1/9/2009 1:06:42 PM , Rating: 2
All batteries must be removable, but does that mean user removable, or removable in general ie not soldered in place.

That would be a question to ask.


RE: Battery replacements...
By Mitch101 on 1/9/2009 1:31:17 PM , Rating: 2
Since the EU says consumers I would assume it must be USER removable. I believe California has a law in place or is going to have one soon for the same concerns over water contamination.

You should be able to dispose of batteries separate from your electronic device so the batteries don't wind up contaminating drinking water and we wind up like floating fish.

There is no inherent need for a company not to do this other than to bilk consumers out of money on replacement or to strong arm someone to buy a new device down the line. Companies not doing this really aren't being green after all putting a door to the battery is not exactly adding to the cost or materials unless there is a tiny screw.

Its almost as bad as forcing cell phones to not be able to be used on other networks even after you have satisfied the contract.


RE: Battery replacements...
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's an irrelevant distinction. If the user can't remove it, only a specialist could, unsoldering a small # of wires is a trivial thing any so-called specialist would do, compared to disassembly to get to the battery (depending on how many steps there are to taking it apart).

I'd much rather a battery behind a removable panel that was soldered in than one with a connector where the top or bottom half of the casing had to come off to access it.


RE: Battery replacements...
By DASQ on 1/12/2009 11:43:21 AM , Rating: 2
The fact that you must (as per manufacturer recommendations) send the unit into the manufacturer should obviously mean that it is not meant to be 'user replaceable'.

If you want to go that far, EVERYTHING is user replaceable, assuming you have access to a Tony Stark-like automated assembly plant in your basement.

Nothing GOOD comes from having the 17" MBP's battery as an internal unit. Sure there are no cutouts in the aluminum shell for the battery, but I'd think pantie lines aren't going to make or break a laptop.


RE: Battery replacements...
By Dreifort on 1/9/2009 10:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
retail (BestBuy, CC) HP 12 cell batteries are $159.99

so Apple's pricing doesn't sound exasperated.


RE: Battery replacements...
By Mitch101 on 1/9/2009 11:25:22 AM , Rating: 3
No dis-repsect Dreifort but how much does BestBuy, CC charge for a USB cable or Home theater cables?

I priced out my camcorder battery from BestBuy and it was twice the cost as getting it from NewEgg.


RE: Battery replacements...
By Dreifort on 1/12/2009 9:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
Apple has a monopoly (despite what everyone wants you to believe about MS).

Apple controls their pricing so on NewEgg, Best Buy, Apple Store or Apple.com.... prices are ALL the same. They control their pricing like Pelosi controls Reid.


RE: Battery replacements...
By foolsgambit11 on 1/10/2009 5:22:08 PM , Rating: 2
With the HP 12 cell battery, you can carry it around with you. When the battery in your laptop runs out, you can put in the new one and drive on. The HP 12 cell battery has manufacturing costs associated with its external casing and removability that an internal battery doesn't have.

Apple's pricing includes a higher-power-density battery, and includes labor. So once you've accepted Apple's styling that includes non-user-replaceable batteries (something that's not for everyone, for sure), the pricing is reasonable. But considering that this design choice creates so many issues, all for aesthetics, I can't say I approve.


RE: Battery replacements...
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
Higher power density than what? Not than the HP battery. Once you've accepted that it's not user replacable and as you noted, there are costs with the external casing, Apple's pricing is even more excessive.

Let's just face it, the only reason it costs so much is it's from Apple, there will be 3rd parties making a replacement and offering it for under $80.


RE: Battery replacements...
By SavagePotato on 1/9/2009 12:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
Having a notebook that you have no choice whatsoever but to plug it in when the battery is dead seems like a step backward. When you can have an extra, or maybe even two extra batteries charged and ready to swap out you have much better options.

That's not even getting into the fact that you are paying 1500-2000 dollars more than what the unit is even worth for the macbook.

I can afford to buy alot of 9 cell batteries for a dell for 1500 dollars. When even the Sony units are a better deal you know it's really absurd.


RE: Battery replacements...
By aos007 on 1/9/2009 4:55:09 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed. I have Vaio Z and they have just standard run of the mill Li-Ion which age fast and will probably have considerably shorter battery life in just a year. And they will need the $249 battery replacement. And there's never more than 10% off on those, ever.

How exactly is $179 from Apple costly, it even includes labour to open the thing?? Are you guys living under the rock?


Well
By Natfly on 1/8/2009 10:45:52 PM , Rating: 5
It kind of makes sense. The new battery seems like a great improvement over previous models.

I don't think that Apple's primary goal is to force the customer into using Apple to replace the battery. The primary goal is probably to be able recycle these and regain some of the cost. The high cost is just a typical "Apple Tax."




RE: Well
By amanojaku on 1/8/2009 10:50:24 PM , Rating: 1
BS. A user-replaceable battery is just as recyclable as a vendor-replaceable battery. The fact that people are being forced to pay nearly $200 to recycle, assuming that's where the money goes after labor, is just a rip-off. How about making recycling easier, like offering more drop off locations, or pickup of e-waste from residences so that ALL electronics get recycled? That's one government lobby I would support.


RE: Well
By Bonzai on 1/8/2009 11:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
The whole point of the battery being built into the system is that they were able to make it much larger than if it was removable. The mechanisms required to have a removable battery took up a lot of space that could be used for battery. This was their revolutionary new battery idea. bigger batteries that are custom made just for that specific laptop and not generic cylindrical ones. Watch the video on their website. It explains the whole thing.

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/


RE: Well
By tastyratz on 1/9/2009 12:08:48 AM , Rating: 2
That's goatee propaganda.

They can make the battery any way they want. Square, round, triangle or kitty shaped.. If they can stick a square battery in the laptop they can slip it into a thin plastic removable pronged enclosure like everyone else (or shiny metal... ohhh shiny... you hear that apple?)
The battery casing itself takes up zilch for space. There is 0 excuse to not incorporate their technology used into a modular design. This is purely to ensure you buy from them.


RE: Well
By MScrip on 1/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: Well
By AraH on 1/9/2009 5:05:55 AM , Rating: 3
that's why so many phones use aa or aaa batteries right? cos they can't manufacture something thinner of their own design? the nano could have been just as thin even if their batteries were removable (though i admit, maybe might have been flimsier)

even a removable battery of custom apple design would have been much more acceptable than something that can't be removed what-so-ever.


RE: Well
By Motoman on 1/9/2009 9:41:54 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. You've got a couple Macolytes here who would cut their hands off if Saint Steve said they weren't holy.

To be completely fair to Apple, I find this replacement cost to be just fine. Surprisingly. However, there is not the slightest excuse for them to not provide a swappable battery. NO. EXCUSE. Total BS.


RE: Well
By foolsgambit11 on 1/10/2009 5:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well, there could be some excuse. They can probably save .05"-.1" in thickness thanks to not needing the plastic around the batteries. What's more, they can put the battery all over the place when it's internal. Granted, designing the internal layout so there isn't dead space where battery can now go would probably be smart. But still, they definitely can go smaller by having an internal, irregularly shaped battery. Not necessarily a lot smaller. But at least a little smaller. And when their market share is based on being small, chic, and integrated, it makes some sense to save that space and go for smaller and chicer. It makes sense as long as they aren't interested in expanding beyond that market, into the 'practical user' market.


The zealots are out in force once again
By SiliconAddict on 1/9/2009 1:37:49 AM , Rating: 4
The Mactards are making excuses once again. IF this was ANY other company they would be beating the living crap out of them online for doing such a retarded thing. But since its Apple...oh by all means...go right ahead because Apple ALWAYS knows best. This is why I got the hell off the Mac platform. Form over function no matter what the cost...be it a DL DVD burner and FW800, workable USB ports without needing a dongle. Easily replacing a hard drive, something the rest of the industry has been doing for over a decade or more. Or replacing a damn battery. I expect next Apple will forgo a hard drive and battery altogether for a .005" thick laptop. Hey you need to boot off a flash drive and it needs to stay plugged in but look! it can be used to jimmy a door open!!111oneoneeleventy||||[][
Screw it. I want power in my laptop. Not a supermodel that purges once an hour. O want something reliable. Not something that will overheat because its so damn thin. My MBP started to become more reliable after the second motherboard replacement when I found SMC fan control and boosted the damn fans. Screw you Apple.




RE: The zealots are out in force once again
By BriteLite on 1/9/2009 5:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand the hostility towards Apple. First off this is a fantastic concept for 99% of users. If you are not in that 99%... DON'T BUY IT! Frankly most of you won't because you tinker with PCs.

Actually being an engineer with a REAL degree, 15 Years of REAL experience, the fact that Apple chose the implementation they did for their battery makes complete sense. Many people don't understand the mechanics required to house a battery. Many have done some math but I fear that is lost on about 80% of this audience. But keep this in mind, with a replaceable battery comes lots of redundancy. The Battery must be sufficiently durable to allow external storage so it's wrapped in plastics on top of the cell casings. Then it's shaped to fit into a mechanical enclosure where it fits as closely as possible, but just wastes additional space. Additionally there will be circuitry on the battery as to allow external battery charger to communicate to the battery. All of this is contained in the Host in the case of the MBP. As the Aluminum enclosure provides for short protection and physical protection of the battery, and provides the circuitry for the battery.

Then the very fact that many of us are not away from a power plug that often with a 17" display... I've had my Lenovo for about 2 years now and I've NEVER removed the battery. Though at this point with it's pathetic life (<2hours) I'm due to buy a new battery.

So with a technology promising 1000!!!!! charges to 80% life some people are complaining that it's not user replaceable? Are you kidding me? And all I have to pay is $179 for a new battery? Sign me the hell up. Thin, portable, and a damn fine OS in a package that IS priced comparably with other Tier-1 providers. ($2500 for HP with slower CPU no 8GB option, $4100 for Sony) They may not be all apples to apples comparison but you can only look at what's there to compare with.

As for my Lenovo... It's a T61p that I'm about to throw in the trash. It's a genuine POS. My co-workers who use Apples have been much happier with their systems. I'm ready to throw in the towel altogether for Microsoft OS and the best supported Unix laptop is a Mac... so I think with this new 17" Mac I'm ready to make the leap!

Thank god one American company is actually pushing engineering forward instead of doing the same thing over... and over... and over... and over... and oh yea lets copy them... over...


RE: The zealots are out in force once again
By maven81 on 1/9/2009 7:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
You're kidding right? Keeping the battery internal is not pushing engineering forward, it's taking the EASY way out! It's an engineering COPOUT!
You admitted yourself in your self defeating post that designing a good external battery is a hard thing to do. So do you think that all the other manufacturers just don't have the engineering skills to make a battery internal? I think they just realize that most of their customers would not like such a solution. They also realize that it would put quite a strain on them in the event of a battery recall (now the whole laptop has to be replaced)... a battery failure (now bulging or leaking batteries will certainly take out something else!), and maybe they wouldn't want geek squad or whoever opening up machines to replace batteries when with a removable battery the customer can do it themselves.
There's no good reason for it. Especially on a 17" laptop where portability is not the strong point. (most people keeps these plugged in all the time and don't even care that much about the battery, or carry spares.

You may be an engineer, but you're not much of a strategic planner that's for sure.


By BriteLite on 1/10/2009 9:24:03 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed, a planner I am not, I'll leave that to our new president.

You raise some very solid points, however I believe I may have communicated poorly. I don't recall saying a removable battery was "a Hard thing to do" so let me develop this a bit.

A removable battery has been done for 100 years (give or take a few years amongst friends) and it's probably one of the most rudimentary technologies we have at a basic level until you start looking at the complexity of the modern "Type" of battery and it's chemical compositions etc. However saying an external battery is hard is like saying placing an engine in a car is hard. (volumes speak loudly even if it's something I could not do)

I believe I said that external batteries bring redundancy. And of course we'll likely agree that structural flex becomes an issue(Keeping all volumes of reinforcement for structure the same). Apple chose a elegant solution to the problem. They want to emphasize light-weight design, while at the same time supporting maximum battery run-time. (Have you even compared other 17" laptop claims? They are abysmal!)

Also supposedly there will be an External/portable battery expansion coming! It will be similar to other solutions where the charge port is taking higher DC to charge the internal while providing power. To me this solves the flights to Sydney, and others, if you were forced to sit in coach instead of plugged-in in business or first.

I didn't say other manufacturers didn't have the skills, but they certainly didn't see the benefits for most of their customers. I won't argue with you about whether it's good or bad, that is just our opinion, but for me the trade-offs are worth it for the elegance of the design, and THAT is where people on this site have issue. Someone who is actually willing to pay more $$$ because they LIKE it more. That is the beautiful thing about being an American consumer, or any consumer we get to choose by putting our money down! And if I buy because it "looks" better or is more elegant people are stunned! I mean why wouldn't someone just buy the same product that they bought.

As to the servicing of the battery you have a valid point. However that is a numbers game. Statistically you look at the MTBF and the MTTR of a battery and you make a decision. Did Apple have batteries failing and exploding... likely since everyone did, but in looking at the numbers what were they? That is probably a very closely held secret for Apple, the MTBF of their equipment and their RMA's aren't likely to be known to the general public. This though is an engineering call. If 1/100,000 have this issue it's noise, and you design something for the masses if you want to be successful not to the 1.

What I don't understand is your last idea though... you say right there that "most people keep them plugged in and don't care about the battery..." well... then why not take the battery out of the equation and make it simple for the folks?

LB


By KBS756 on 1/10/2009 9:33:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They also realize that it would put quite a strain on them in the event of a battery recall (now the whole laptop has to be replaced)


how is it so that the whole laptop has to be replaced as apple says its in store replaceable and that to for only $179. Therefore a recall would not require that the whole laptop would need to be replaced just one would have to unscrew a couple screws on the bottom and probably a couple screws around the battery. It will not be much harder then this to do if it is goin to be store replaceable.

quote:
There's no good reason for it. Especially on a 17" laptop where portability is not the strong point. (most people keeps these plugged in all the time and don't even care that much about the battery, or carry spares.


I have a prev generation 17 in macbook pro and i use it away from a charger quite a lot at college and when I am all over the place. But I have never carried a spare and would never want to .... a battery that holds more charge and keeps me alive and doing what i need to do even when i cant get to a charger. (I do not wanna lug an extra couple batteries ...


OK..
By Clauzii on 1/8/2009 10:51:43 PM , Rating: 2
So that hopefully includes the shop to do it?

Also, I see no problem with the 'hidden' battery if it really runs 8 hours a day. Even with the >maybe< steep pricetag for some. If it was 2-3 hours I'd considering a Laptop with exchangable batteries, but if 8 hours are 'the thing' then there really is no need for an extra one.




RE: OK..
By diego10arg on 1/9/2009 8:44:44 AM , Rating: 2
I would say that a replaceable battery could be a nice-to-have feature. But as long as it lasts 8 hr, then there is almost no "must" to make it replaceable.


RE: OK..
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:27:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's like everyone else's claims? 8 hours under ideal conditions with a new battery, then once you start using it for something more than idling and 2 years have gone by, you find like everyone else that you need a new battery. They made the laptop a bit more energy conservative than average so you'll get that 2 years, maybe 3, while many have to buy a battery after 18 months although those people are paying half that price for their battery in most cases so it's really just a matter of form over function.


Apple Poor Mechanical Design
By SpaceJumper on 1/9/2009 7:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
Mechanical design should include easy replacement of the battery by any service center. Apple could face a lawsuit in the US like the on going lawsuit in Europe for the iPods battery replacement monopoly.




RE: Apple Poor Mechanical Design
By mfed3 on 1/9/2009 9:26:49 AM , Rating: 2
hope they do, because they get away with way too much bs that other companies get sued on all the time. microsoft "monopolies" ring a bell.


By gstrickler on 1/9/2009 2:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mechanical design should include easy replacement of the battery by any service center.

Nothing in this says they can't. While I haven't seen one yet, I'll bet it could be replaced by any user competent enough to open the case and put it back together correctly, no soldering involved (since Apple and most other major manufacturers generally haven't required field techs to do any soldering for nearly 20 years). Even though it's only about 6 screws to open the case, most users aren't willing to attempt that (even on desktop machines, much less a notebook) and that's why it's not listed as "user replaceable".


Whooptie Doo
By lancito on 1/9/2009 10:41:08 AM , Rating: 1
If you are gonna blow that much on a computer $179 shouldn't really cause you much pain.

Laptops should be replaced every 3-4 years anyways.

And if you are still whining, plug the damn thing into the wall.




RE: Whooptie Doo
By drakore on 1/9/2009 10:54:08 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. If you are buying a 3K laptop then you shouldn't care about $179 over a ~3 year period.


RE: Whooptie Doo
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:29:41 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be silly, very few people are doing anything on their laptop which would require it be less than 3-4 years old. "Maybe" a kid playing games, or an HD video snob insists they need to see every last pixel.

Otherwise, the reason to replace a laptop is when it's very old or fails. Anything else is just a waste of landfill space, resources, money, and time.


Give me a break
By mydogfarted on 1/9/2009 10:29:32 AM , Rating: 2
How many people here are design engineers?
*Looks around*
*waits for it*

That's what I thought. I'm willing to accept the argument that it's more efficient to not have a removable battery system. I'm also willing to bet that replacing the battery involves 6 screws to drop the bottom half of the shell off and remove the battery. Something that can easily be done in an Apple store since most have techs in the back.
It will be only a matter of time that places like iresq.com (an Apple Authorized repair shop) will start selling replacements for significantly less. For example - I broke the LCD on my MacBook Pro. Apple wanted $1200 to replace it, iResq is $309 installed and does not violate my Apple Care. It's kind of like buying replacement parts for your car - you can over pay at the dealer for parts, or you can get O.E. parts cheaper at a parts store. And yes, quite often places like NAPA repackage O.E. parts in their own boxes.




RE: Give me a break
By mindless1 on 1/10/2009 9:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's not more efficient, it just saves a tiny bit of space so they can make it thinner and lower cost (not to you, more profit for them).

Why "willing to bet" on removing 6 screws? It doesn't matter, the price includes having to take it in to them and have them do the work so it might as well require shipping it to mars where they use a plasma cutter to open it.

Stupid design decision by Apple, to shave a trivial # of millimeters off the casing thickness because they couldn't manage to engineer a simple battery hatch into their new casing. Piss poor engineering, any noob can just machine an aluminum shell and ghetto rig it all inside by wires. In fact, before years of refinement that's how laptops were, though not necessarily aluminum vs steel or plastic!!!


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