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PCIe SSD promises blistering performance

Back in January, Toshiba completed its acquisition of OCZ. At the same time that purchase was completed, OCZ rolled out its first SSD aimed at consumer systems under its new owner. OCZ has now unveiled its second SSD to be released under new ownership.
 
The new Z-Drive 4500 series is PCIe-based and uses 19nm MLC NAND flash. The ZDrive 4500 can be had in 800GB, 1.6TB, and 3.2TB capacities.

 
Each of the models in the range is integrated with new Windows Accelerator software from OCZ. This is a flash management and caching solution for Windows Server applications. The software allows an IT manger to deploy the SSDs as a local flash volume, a flash cache for HDD volumes, or a combo of both.
 
The SSD uses the OCZ virtualized Controller Architecture and LSI SandForce SF-2582 processor. OCZ promises maximum read bandwidth of up to 2900 MB/s and write bandwidth of up to 2200 MB/s. The SSD will also have 252k IOPS performance.
 
The drives are available to purchase now and will come backed with a 5-year warranty.

Source: OCZ



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Target audience?
By Sivar on 3/4/2014 10:56:30 AM , Rating: 2
While OCZ may have worked out the kinks that affected so many desktop SSDs, I wonder if it's enough. Businesses are notoriously paranoid and cautious when buying hardware, especially expensive enterprise-grade hardware for the kinds of servers that need this much I/O: Database servers, file servers, etc.. Suppliers (NetApp, EMC, etc.) can be just as cautious, since a bad batch could destroy the reputation that allows them to charge so much.

Who then is this targeting?




RE: Target audience?
By retrospooty on 3/4/2014 11:05:00 AM , Rating: 3
No idea... I would love to put this, or even a lower end OCZ Zdrive in my home PC, but no way in hell I would use OCZ for anything on a server at work. Not even if it was being given away for free. The very thought that they think anyone would makes me laugh.


RE: Target audience?
By kingmotley on 3/4/2014 12:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure why. They've been doing it for a long time. They used to market their enterprise stuff under the RevoDrive line. I had one, and it worked great, and would buy another if I need it. This doesn't look much more than a refresh of that line.


RE: Target audience?
By retrospooty on 3/4/2014 12:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
" They used to market their enterprise stuff under the RevoDrive line. I had one, and it worked great"

You had an OCZ Revo drive on your own PC, or on a Server in an enterprise environment? HUGE difference.


RE: Target audience?
By extide on 3/4/2014 2:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
Z Drive has always been aimed at enterprise and RevoDrive has always been aimed at pro-sumer.


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/4/14, Rating: 0
RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/4/2014 3:38:23 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't see where the gamble where almost everything today is Sandforce controllers and Samsung flash (with the odd variation here and there). Few things are more boring than a SSD review these days.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/4/2014 11:46:14 PM , Rating: 1
Don't feed the Troll, he is just trolling here, why bother.
http://www.crabgrasscomic.com/archives/234


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2014 12:06:35 AM , Rating: 2
Uhhh have you seen the reliability surveys and customer feedback on OCZ drives? Their SSD's helped bankrupt them. OCZ put performance over data integrity, and that decision bit them in the ass big time.

To say all brands are the same is pretty ignorant.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/173887-ssd-st...

"The Intel drives, in contrast, didn’t fail, despite being power-cycled over 6,500 times. Neither the Intel 320 or the newer S3500 failed to verify the data write in any circumstances."

Somewhat incomplete comparison. They chose to exclude a Samsung drive for some reason, however the data is pretty compelling.

This is the reason I use Intel and recommend into SSD's. I don't see the slight performance gains other brands offer as being worth the reliability tradeoff.

From all reports Samsung appears to be a close second to Intel, but I have no personal experience to vouch for.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 1:43:09 AM , Rating: 1
Thy tested a old first gen Vertex I SSD, how can you even compere that with Enterprise class product?

Also there new Vector line got real good reviews specially on reliability

And Toshiba owns OCZ now, do you really think a A-brand firm like that is going to launch a Enterprise product that will ruin there name, in the one market ware they wane cash in, in the long haul?

http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/cant-tell-...


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2014 9:55:18 AM , Rating: 2
Intels Enterprise SSD's are legendary. So going with OCZ can only be a step down.

I realize the test isn't as complete as we would like. Not a lot of people even bother to torture test like this. I'm doing the best I can to find this stuff!

But what are you saying, its okay for their consumer drives to suck?

You need to look up what trolling is, because this ain't it.


RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/5/2014 10:49:16 AM , Rating: 2
Intel has spent a fair amount on marketing, but legendary?
By your own admittance, most of the proof is anecdotal. And it can't be any other way, because no enterprise is going to go public with declarations like "We had a bad batch of SSDs made by X so now we're switching camps" (where X can be anything, OCZ and Intel included). Plus, tech sites rarely put enterprise grade hardware to test, because enterprises don't look at tech sites for their buying decision.
You've just decided that Intel is the most reliable (which I don't say it ain't) and now you're trying to prove that any other manufacturer must suck because of that.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 11:27:32 AM , Rating: 2
I still dont know if Reclaimer77 just spouts his unfounded opinion as facts or his extreme polarized opinion ware if he thinks he is right everyone else is wrong or he is just Trolling here.

Whatever the case its real irritating!

Capacities and reliability of the OCZ Z-Drive R4 Enterprise PCIe SSD, predecessor of this SSD.

800GB - ZD4CM88-FH-800G
Endurance - 20PB <------ as in PetaByte
1.6TB - ZD4CM88-FH-1.6T
Endurance - 40PB
3.2TB - ZD4CM88-FH-3.2T
Endurance - 80PB

And to quote the guys from Storage Review, and yes those are the ones that do know what they are talking about.

quote:
Conclusion

Several months later, our re-review has does nothing but increase our admiration for what OCZ has done with the Z-Drive R4. It's a fantastic general purpose PCIe SSD, delivering fantastic performance, with plenty of endurance , even with standard grade MLC NAND.


Read the hole in depth review here on SR:
http://www.storagereview.com/ocz_zdrive_r4_enterpr...

Please dont compare enterprise product with consumer products, and next to that you can say that OCZ was crap in the past, but just read up a little before you trash there fine but a overpriced Vector line, that has a lot of Enterprise options.

Having a opnion is fine just dont put them up as facts.


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2014 1:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
That's just a standard review. They didn't do anything close to the stress test that I posted.

But fine okay, there is apparently one OCZ drive out there that doesn't suck. Happy?

Intel makes the best SSD's. Call that trolling or whatever you want. It should be easy to disprove me in that case.

Speaking of irritating, please clean up your spelling and grammar please. It's painful to read.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 2:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's just a standard review. They didn't do anything close to the stress test that I posted.

Its a bit more then a standard review, and they do actually stress test the SSD a bit more then most reviewers.

quote:
But fine okay, there is apparently one OCZ drive out there that doesn't suck. Happy?

Actually the Vector 150 en the new Vertex 460 are also pretty good SSD, and i think are on par with the SATA Intel's SSDs.
http://www.storagereview.com/ocz_vector_150_ssd_re...
http://www.storagereview.com/ocz_vertex_460_ssd_re...

quote:
Intel makes the best SSD's. Call that trolling or whatever you want. It should be easy to disprove me in that case.

Intel makes good SSDs, but so do all the other brands now a days, you will not notice any difference between them, performance wise or endurance wise.

Just like there is no real bad memory anymore, the same can be said about SSDs.

quote:
Intel makes the best SSD's

Intel just makes a good SSD just like the others now a days, saying otherwise is like saying a Mercedes is better then a BMW.

quote:
Call that trolling or whatever you want. It should be easy to disprove me in that case.

Its fine that you believe that, just dont put it up like a fact, because it is not a fact, and because you bring opinions like fact, people see you as a Troll, or think you just plain stupid.

Just look at the comparison between different SSD even the really over the priced Intel 730 dose not out preform the other SSDs.
http://www.storagereview.com/intel_ssd_730_series_...

quote:
Speaking of irritating, please clean up your spelling and grammar please. It's painful to read.

So because i am not writing like a native i should stop doing it maybe?

Because like i said to you before, i am Dutch, living in Norway, And speak and write both native, next to that except for my Dutch ascent i also speak naive English and German, just dont write those as a native, I also understand and speak Danish and Swedish and even a little Italian and Spanish depending on the dialect.

Wonder can you do a other languish other then English without using Google Translate?

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On the end of the day if price was not a problem what SATA SSD would i buy, i would get a 730 or a Vector properly.

But as price matters for me, i just got my self last month a 750GB Samsung EVO as they have the best price / GB / performance balance, as both Intel and OCZ are way to expensive to be even a alternative that i would consider!


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2014 3:43:28 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Its fine that you believe that, just dont put it up like a fact, because it is not a fact, and because you bring opinions like fact, people see you as a Troll, or think you just plain stupid.


It's more than an "opinion". It's based on TONS of credited reviews from places like Anandtech, industry reported failure rates, and personal experience.

You act like I'm just saying stuff just to stay it. I find that offensive and baseless!

quote:
Just look at the comparison between different SSD even the really over the priced Intel 730 dose not out preform the other SSDs.


Several posts ago I've already acknowledge that Intel SSD's traditionally give up some performance for longevity and data integrity. That's a tradeoff I'm more than willing. SSD performance is so high across the board, we're talking basically fractions of already fast enough.

This is why hardly anyone bothers benchmarking SSD's anymore. They all come in within a few percent of each other, and in real-world use you couldn't tell the difference.

quote:
Just like there is no real bad memory anymore, the same can be said about SSDs.


You know what, this is now you "trolling". Because that is just flat out wrong, and I'm going to prove it.

Go to Newegg and sort all SSD's by best rating. The first few pages you'll see 5 Egg rated SSD's. Then you start to come across things like....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9S...

"Avoid at all costs."


"died after moderate use after only 1 year 2 months... speed was fine... but that is the shortest lifespan of a hard drive that i have ever had"

"Drive died with no warning and was completely wiped clean, no chance to recover data."

Etc etc etc.

The entire premise of your argument is ludicrous. It's like saying all car brands are the same. With ANY product, there are going to lower quality offerings. SSD's are no different.

quote:
But as price matters for me, i just got my self last month a 750GB Samsung EVO as they have the best price / GB / performance balance


So after arguing with me for hours over my statement that Intel and Samsung are the leading SSD's manufacturers, and it's "trolling" that they are the only brands I recommend...

..you're telling me YOU bought a Samsung!

/facepalm


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 4:11:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So after arguing with me for hours over my statement that Intel and Samsung are the leading SSD's manufacturers, and it's "trolling" that they are the only brands I recommend...

..you're telling me YOU bought a Samsung!

/facepalm

You can facepalm all you want, i got the Samsung EVO for different reasons then for what you recommend it, and i consider the OCZ better drives, but the EVO is plenty good enough for me, for what i do and need from a drive.

And certainly did not get a OCZ because they are bad drives, but just because the price is not right.

If you dont get that argument, then the following link is for you.
http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/14, Rating: 0
RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 4:48:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whatever, you're a hypocrite. You bought a Samsung, not an OCZ. When it came to putting your money where your mouth was, you went with the better brand.

No i went not with the better brand, i went with the cheaper brand, thats not being a hypocrite, that just looking out for Number one.

Next to that OCZ dose not have a 750GB SSD, and if Crucial had the cheaper SSD i would have prefert a MLC drive over a TLC drive.

You can call me a sell out as much as you want, but thats not why i defended OCZ, your following unfounded and totally bias statement is why i think your arguments ware BS.

quote:
OCZ! Blistering performance! Until all your data goes up in smoke.

This is why i attacked your arguments, because thats is just bogus, and unfounded, as the Vertex 1,2 and 3 are history, and have noting to do anymore with the current drives.


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/6/2014 7:37:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is why i attacked your arguments, because thats is just bogus, and unfounded, as the Vertex 1,2 and 3 are history, and have noting to do anymore with the current drives.


?????????????????????

There are still Virtex 1,2 and 3's out there in the wild. Failing before their time!

History? You act like this was 10 years ago or something, and I have an unreasonable grudge. Hello? They have a VERY RECENT track record of shi*ty SSD's. And I'm "trolling" when I bring this up?

Wow!!!! I just can't win here.


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/6/2014 7:37:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is why i attacked your arguments, because thats is just bogus, and unfounded, as the Vertex 1,2 and 3 are history, and have noting to do anymore with the current drives.


?????????????????????

There are still Virtex 1,2 and 3's out there in the wild. Failing before their time!

History? You act like this was 10 years ago or something, and I have an unreasonable grudge. Hello? They have a VERY RECENT track record of shi*ty SSD's. And I'm "trolling" when I bring this up?

Wow!!!! I just can't win here.


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/6/2014 8:15:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No i went not with the better brand, i went with the cheaper brand, thats not being a hypocrite, that just looking out for Number one.


I just cannot stand liars. There are MUCH cheaper brands than the Samsung Evo line out there. Come on!

Are you telling me you didn't notice, or care, what a highly rated drive that was? The five star user reviews? The awards from review sites? You JUST got it based on price?

I cannot even believe you, this is just pathetic.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/6/2014 11:06:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just cannot stand liars. There are MUCH cheaper brands than the Samsung Evo line out there. Come on!

How are you calling a liar?

Pricewatch sorted on price/GB:
http://tweakers.net/categorie/674/solid-state-driv...

As you can see the Evo 750Gb has the lowest price per GB!

quote:
Are you telling me you didn't notice, or care, what a highly rated drive that was?

I know the EVO is a good drive, but still would preferred a M500 as i prefer MLC over the EVOs TLC.

But even TLC will out last my use long enough, as it would last me 10GB/day for 200 calculated years before it starts to get errors.

As this test shows with a full 24/7 write till destruction test of two 250GB Samsung 840s:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&...

My EVO should at least last 3x longer as it has 3x more cells.

quote:
I cannot even believe you, this is just pathetic.

Wonder hows really more pathetic, you are me, at least i have my facts strait before i call some one a liar!


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/6/2014 11:10:48 AM , Rating: 2
There is a bug in the pricewatch that they are fixing, if it dose not show the Price/GB, hit Ctrl+F5 to refresh the page, and it will show it correct.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/7/2014 12:20:50 PM , Rating: 2
Noting to say now???, The silence is deafening

What a ass you are, first your trolling and accusing me being a liar and a hypocrite, and now you have noting to say anymore once i showed you facts.

Man your just the one thats just really pathetic!!!


RE: Target audience?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/5/2014 4:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You've just decided that Intel is the most reliable (which I don't say it ain't)


Either you're saying I'm wrong, or I'm right. So which is it?

Intel is widely regarded as having best in-class endurance with their SSD's. I think you're just arguing with me because...I don't know why.

"Given Intel's track record and the best-in-class endurance "

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7803/intel-ssd-730-4...

This is straight from Anandtech. This doesn't leave a lot of room for debate. Track record of having THE BEST endurance for SSD's.


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/5/2014 4:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
Even if Rolls Royce are considered the best and most reliable cars (and i ain't saying Intel is like the Rolls Royce under SSDs), you still see most people driving other cars that do the job just as well.

But why dont people buy only the best, because even second best now a days is still good enough to do the job just fine.

But till now you have not show me one link that says Intel (or Samsung) are the best drives.

And also today's best drives can be tomorrows worse drives.
The IBM Deskstar ware considered by many about the best hard drives on the market for years, but that all changed in 6 months time and they got a new nickname, Deadstar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deskstar#IBM_Deskstar...

Come on just because some brand was once the best or worse, dose not mean they still are, time change, and so do products and brands.


RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/5/2014 5:55:18 PM , Rating: 2
No, I'm saying you and I have no data to prove either way. You only have a quote from Anandtech and your conviction. To me, "widely regarded" is not a reason to dismiss all alternatives.
I'm not even sure it's possible to be much more reliable endurance-wise than the average drive. All consumer flash cells today are rated at 3,000 write; enterprise graded flash is at 5,000. The only differentiator is the firmware with its wear leveling algorithms. Unless intel's is groundbreaking, I just don't see it happening.

PS And don't think I didn't notice how you shifted from "reliability" to "endurance".


RE: Target audience?
By michael67 on 3/6/2014 2:01:01 AM , Rating: 1
He thinking like the old saying, "once a thief always a thief" read as "once bad always bad".

OCZ a company that was a/the pioneer in the SSD market had to learn lot new QC protocols, as there existing memory QC protocols did not work for SSD tech, and they ware treading water for a wile, getting almost daily firmwares out to fix there problems.

Then till there came a new CEO, that said stop, this is not working, fix thing so they work, and start new projects form scratch with quality as Nr1 prio.

Intel on the other hand was much more familiar with the new tech they ware developing, as it was a lot more simple then there CPUs and motherboards.

For OCZ it was the other way around, SSDs even do pretty simple compared to microprocessor tech was a lot harder and they had to learn a lot of new skills.

Personally i think the Indilinx Barefoot V3 controller they now have is great, and i think with that controller OCZ has finally there shit together, but he keeps thinking that the days ware the X25 ruled in performance and reliability are still valid for today's Intel SSDs, and that the competition has bin sleeping at the wheel.

Other companies had there problems to, as all ware a lot slower then Intel and OCZ, only OCZ had instead of performance problems reliability problems, as they foolishly sacrificed reliability for performance, but they fixed that now with the Barefoot V3, and keep on blaming them for there past is just stupid.

But only seeing the past and not the present, and putting everyone and everything in closed boxes is what he dose, and foolish me i get dragged in to his ridicules points of view very often, and some of them are making sort of a argument, so that i have to just say something, to correct him.


RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/6/2014 3:43:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
He thinking like the old saying, "once a thief always a thief" read as "once bad always bad".


I don't believe he's doing a lot of thinking. He's just summarizing what reviewers say, despite admitting there's not much proof to that point (besides OCZ's blunder back in Vertex 2 days - which wasn't even an enterprise product, but who cares if it helps him make his point.


RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/4/2014 11:42:24 AM , Rating: 2
And then they restrict this to Windows servers. Neat.


RE: Target audience?
By Argon18 on 3/4/14, Rating: 0
RE: Target audience?
By OCZJess on 3/4/2014 3:36:20 PM , Rating: 3
Hi bug77,

I am an OCZ employee and want to clarify that the Z-Drive 4500 is not restricted to Windows servers. The included caching software, WXL, is simply an added value for enterprise customers who purchase a Z-Drive 4500. The software itself is designed for Windows Server environments, but not the Z-Drive. Z-Drive 4500 has drivers for a wide spectrum OSs including Linux and VMware platforms as well.


RE: Target audience?
By sgestwicki on 3/4/2014 8:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
I believe that most Web servers in the world run on Apache but most other servers are using Windows Server so it would make sense for OCZ to cater to that market. Microsoft's Hyper-V is even making a serious dent in VMware's market share which was laughable a few years ago.


RE: Target audience?
By sgestwicki on 3/4/2014 8:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, I meant to reply to bug77.


RE: Target audience?
By bug77 on 3/5/2014 8:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
If it's a feature that adds any value, it will still be missed.

Also, as an owner of two Vertex 4 drives (plus several that we have in the office), thank you.


RE: Target audience?
By atechfan on 3/4/2014 12:00:51 PM , Rating: 2
They have to compete with Fusion-IO in this market. Not sure if they have what it takes.


RE: Target audience?
By sgestwicki on 3/4/2014 8:27:06 PM , Rating: 2
Some business will play with the cutting edge because they need the extra features/performance. I'm sure that someone will buy these because OCZ decided that the could make money selling them.


OCZ and Servers
By jchang6 on 3/4/2014 5:24:45 PM , Rating: 2
I have used OCZ Revo and Z Drives in Dell and Supermicro servers. There were numerous issues in getting PCI-E to negotiate at 5Gbps. OCZ did not test in any server platforms, only the popular gamer motherboards. All, in real servers, you would have multiple PCI-E SSDs. The OCZ cards with Marvell controllers(?) generate too much interrupts for this type of use. I have had reasonably good success with OCZ Vertex and Vector SATA SSDs attach to LSI controllers. I would like to have tested the OCZ SAS SSDs but did not have the opportunity.
I do not like the timing of this product. There should be a PCI-E gen 3 SSD at this point. The back-end can still be SATA/SAS 6Gbps, but 12Gbps would be nice.




RE: OCZ and Servers
By OCZJess on 3/4/2014 6:39:20 PM , Rating: 1
Hi jchang6,

What generation Z-Drive did you use? Our Z-Drive R4 and newly launched Z-Drive 4500 have been tested across dozens of server platforms.

The RevoDrive was not designed for servers.

Disclosure: I am an OCZ employee


Nope
By Guspaz on 3/4/2014 10:40:11 AM , Rating: 2
Fool me once...




By faster on 3/6/2014 2:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Revo Drive X2 512GB. I was using it as a boot drive on my Windows 7 system. Well, despite having faster Read/Write speeds than an SSD, it booted slower because it would have to go through its own BIOS initiation screen on boot. Furthermore, every few days windows would want to run a diskcheck because it thought it was corrupted. I never actually lost any data, but it was annoying.

The drive now sits in my system as an unused storage drive. Anyone want it?




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