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Black Friday chaos  (Source: abcnews.com)
The number of shoppers and the amount they spend have dropped over the past few Black Fridays

Black Friday is considered the biggest shopping day of the year in the U.S., but its popularity is on the decline.

According to a new report from TIME, Black Friday has seen a drop in shoppers over the years. For those who aren't familiar, Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving where retailers promote big savings for the holiday season.

A study from Accenture said that 52 percent of shoppers were likely to go out on Black Friday in 2009. This number dropped to 44 percent in 2011. 

Furthermore, ShopperTrak said shoppers spent $11.2 billion in physical stores on Black Friday last year, which was a decline of 1.8 percent compared to Black Friday in 2011. 

TIME says the reason for the decline may be that retailers are expanding deals to days other than just Black Friday. One of those days is Cyber Monday, for example, where shoppers can jump online and get great deals without leaving the comfort of home. 

In fact, dealnews reported that Black Friday won't have the best deals this year. Thanksgiving Day and the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend will offer better savings than the traditional Black Friday rush, it says.

However, it's unlikely that Black Friday will ever completely disappear, since it has become an American tradition for many holiday shoppers who enjoy more than just the savings -- some actually like the crowds and competition. 

Source: TIME



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This is not a surprise.
By retrospooty on 9/26/2013 1:01:45 PM , Rating: 2
Shop online, get better deals and avoid the chaos? The only thing I dont get is what is taking everyone so long to catch on.




RE: This is not a surprise.
By Spuke on 9/26/2013 1:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
Like I tell everyone else, there are only a FEW great in store deals on Black Friday, everything else can be hand online.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By retrospooty on 9/26/2013 1:11:08 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly... And even if it weren't I would gladly pay extra to avoid the maniacal crowds.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Tequilasunriser on 9/26/2013 2:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would gladly pay extra to avoid the maniacal crowds.


That, and to avoid staying up all night to have a 'good' place in line. A good night's sleep is underrated.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Lord 666 on 9/26/2013 6:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
I don't play well with others. It seems that this attribute works in my favor shopping on Thanksgiving night/Black Friday morning.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/26/2013 8:40:26 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on, nothing beats the rush of adrenaline as you trample someone to DEATH to get that sale item!!!


RE: This is not a surprise.
By inighthawki on 9/26/2013 4:11:28 PM , Rating: 4
Stop telling them that so we can keep getting all the good deals ;)


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Spuke on 9/26/2013 6:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry. :)


RE: This is not a surprise.
By marvdmartian on 9/30/2013 9:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
And miss the hoardes of stampeding hippos, trampling each other down, just to get their sweaty hands on the cheap garbage, in limited quantities, marked down for their benefit?

Yes, PLEASE!!

Used to be, there were actual good values on BF. Lately, all I've seen is garbage electronics on sale, none of which I'd want. Seems that in order to maintain the same "good deal" pricing, they've simply replaced decent brands with ones you normally would have nothing to do with.

Thanks, but no thanks!


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Motoman on 9/26/2013 1:19:53 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The only thing I dont get is what is taking everyone so long to catch on.


People are stupid.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By BRB29 on 9/26/2013 1:31:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
People are stupid.


No, the retailers changed the rules. I used to buy it online to reserve it and pick it up on Friday evening. Can't do that anymore.
Then I buy the product in store the days prior and then come in on Friday for the discount. Can't do that anymore.

All the other things I did to outsmart other people without waiting in line have been covered by most stores.

Also, the online deals are not as good anymore. The few good deals are gone faster than I can buy it. It's like everyone has it ready and they click buy at exactly 12:00:01 AM

I catch very few deals these days.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By xti on 9/26/2013 1:38:17 PM , Rating: 2
sales have shifted from legimate great BF deals, to bargains on lower end goods or in house brands, especially on tech


RE: This is not a surprise.
By retrospooty on 9/26/2013 1:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
"No, the retailers changed the rules. I used to buy it online to reserve it and pick it up on Friday evening. Can't do that anymore. Then I buy the product in store the days prior and then come in on Friday for the discount. Can't do that anymore. All the other things I did to outsmart other people without waiting in line have been covered by most stores. Also, the online deals are not as good anymore. The few good deals are gone faster than I can buy it. It's like everyone has it ready and they click buy at exactly 12:00:01 AM I catch very few deals these days."

Thus the assertion, "people are stupid" referring to anyone still doing this goat and pony show.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Motoman on 9/26/2013 1:54:07 PM , Rating: 2
^

The point of the BF loss-leaders is to draw people into the physical store, so that they buy *other* stuff. Naturally the loss-leaders are gone in a flash, but people come in hoping to get one, and when they don't, they buy something else.

Allowing any way to get a loss-leader item other than physically being in the store to grab it off the shelf is completely against the retailer's interests. Ergo, it makes no sense at all for them to allow you to reserve it, price-match it later, or whatever else. That's just simply a loss for them, with no upside.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/26/2013 2:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ergo, it makes no sense at all for them to allow you to reserve it, price-match it later, or whatever else.
Plus I have never heard of ANY stores doing this for BF... ever.


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Spuke on 9/26/2013 6:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Thus the assertion, "people are stupid" referring to anyone still doing this goat and pony show.
LOL! Can we put this at the bottom?


RE: This is not a surprise.
By Dr of crap on 9/27/2013 12:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
I second that !


By inperfectdarkness on 9/26/2013 3:32:20 PM , Rating: 2
If only I could get a 55" LED TV shipped to APO...


The reasons are
By BRB29 on 9/26/2013 1:10:25 PM , Rating: 3
1. Cyber Monday and Cyber every freaking day near holidays
2. Multiple Black Fridays
3. Black Friday Weekends
4. It's cold outside
5. Criminals/thieves/hustlers/etc...

I don't know how accurate these reports are but from what I've seen across several cities it is quite different. Now black Fridays start on Thursday at 10pm with lines ridiculously long. Some lines wrapped around several blocks. If anything, the black friday craze seemed to only have increased.




RE: The reasons are
By daboom06 on 9/26/2013 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
the first three, yeah. i've noticed that the black friday 'deals' are usually really crappy things being sold unusually frantically at their usual prices. coupled with there being much better deals online... i'll only ever go shopping on black friday to people-watch.

but the weather and the crime hasn't changed.

and you're sample size is probably too limited to observe the average trend. i trust the numbers.


RE: The reasons are
By Solandri on 9/26/2013 4:01:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
yeah. i've noticed that the black friday 'deals' are usually really crappy things being sold unusually frantically at their usual prices. coupled with there being much better deals online...

That's not strictly true. There are a lot of good BF deals each year. The thing is the good deals sell out quickly - within hours or sometimes minutes. Meanwhile all the crappy deals linger for days or even over a week.

Consequently while the good deals make up a significant percentage of the products being sold, they make up a much smaller percentage of the products you see for sale.


RE: The reasons are
By Spuke on 9/26/2013 6:11:59 PM , Rating: 2
There are websites that show the upcoming deals before BF. You can compare prices now till then to see what deal you're getting. A lot of stuff is just old shelf stock on sale but there's a few things are REALLY cheap and not old. Anecdotally, it seems like one great sale and one good sale per company. The rest can be found online.


RE: The reasons are
By augiem on 9/26/2013 2:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Newegg and Compusa were having Black Friday sales and Cyber Monday sales every single friday and monday for a while, even nowhere near Christmas. Around Christmas they have new sales almost every day with hundreds of items on "sale". At that point, a sale isn't a sale anymore. The retailer who cried "SALE!" Most of these sales, even the real Black Friday, don't really have any good deals for the most part. It ends up being just a billion items nobody wants which aren't marked down any lower than they are during the 300 other sales of the year.

Just about the only item last year or the year before that had meaningful markdowns were big screen TVs. And I'm pretty sure everyone (except me) already got a dozen of those already... how often do you need to buy a new TV?


RE: The reasons are
By Hakuryu on 9/26/2013 2:45:58 PM , Rating: 2
Plus the brick and mortar deals just seem to suck now. Last Black Friday, there wasn't even one big ticket item that I thought was a 'once a year' deal.


Ah, Yogi Berra
By DaveLessnau on 9/26/2013 2:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
To bastardize a phrase: Nobody goes to Black Friday anymore; it's too crowded.

I can't believe people do this kind of thing.




RE: Ah, Yogi Berra
By Jedi2155 on 9/26/2013 4:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
It has been a yearly tradition (since 2003) for my friends and I to hang out in the crowds braving the horrid cold and enjoy the crowds together. Some of us go yearly without even buying anything and I usually just go to buy things for others.

While places like Fry's electronics seem to be drawing less crowds (I think it peaked in 2007/08 with around 2000+ people in line at my local Anaheim store), I still go there to talk local crowds to keep in touch. While there are many online venues to meet people of similar interest, black Friday crowds at electronics stores are a great way to meet new people.

In the end its just an excuse to chill with friends IMO alternatively considered to be the "urban camping trip." One could ask why would one drive in the middle of no where to stay out in the elements for days at time? I consider it the same just in a different type of environment.

Still...now being a home owner, I find myself finding amazing deals on appliances online for those who are avoiding the lines. Grabbed a high end washer/dryer set for $1000 ($3000 MSRP), and a new 31 cu. f.t fridge for only $1800 ($4000 MSRP). I still went to electornics stores and waiting in line though.


RE: Ah, Yogi Berra
By Spuke on 9/26/2013 6:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
What?


RE: Ah, Yogi Berra
By KPOM1 on 9/27/2013 12:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
There was a time when it wasn't a given that people were off the day after Thanksgiving. As it became more popular for people either to take the day off or employers to give people the day off, retailers started using gimmicks to get people into stores. The term "Black Friday" was retail jargon until about 10 years ago. I think what happened is that people and stores got wise to what was going on.

I've also heard that, contrary to popular opinion, Black Friday never was the busiest shopping day. Usually it was the last weekend day before Christmas (all the last-minute shoppers).

Regarding "commercialization," it's important to point out that Christmas wasn't a big deal in this country until retailers decided to use it to stimulate winter sales. Catholics celebrated Christmas, but Protestants largely ignored it until the 1880s.


It's Chaos - I never shop on BF.
By SAN-Man on 9/26/2013 2:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe never will.




RE: It's Chaos - I never shop on BF.
By ClownPuncher on 9/26/2013 6:10:08 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't buy people things. Saves me a ton of problems.


RE: It's Chaos - I never shop on BF.
By augiem on 9/26/2013 7:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't buy things. Saves me a ton of money.


BF deals are a myth
By ERROR666 on 9/26/2013 9:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
There are no good deals on BF anymore. There used to be a few years ago.. Lately the "deals" even "doorbusters" are simply same low end crap in all the stores and online and it's sold at a little discount that can be easily found online on any other day.

I was actually trying to buy a few things last year, like a top of the line garmin gps, and one of the top cameras.. I needed a new camera and gps anyway so I said I'll wait a few weeks for BF or CM deals. Guess what, the only gps on sale were the cheapest garmins for $70, and the cameras - again the cheapest $100 cameras. Same models and prices in all the stores.
No discounts at all on the more expensive stuff. The same goes for everything else. It looks like they just find the cheapest stuff, end of the year models, last year models, and make it look like it's a great sale. But don't move at all on the good stuff. Same with TVs and laptops.. You'll not find the best latest model of TV on sale. Or a good gaming laptop. All you'll find is the most basic stuff that nobody buys during the year.




Cyber Monday is Bigger
By KPOM1 on 9/27/2013 12:13:37 AM , Rating: 2
Last year I found that the deals, even from "brick and mortar" clothing retailers like Ann Taylor, were better on Cyber Monday than Black Friday. I guess retailers figure everyone is off on Black Friday and wants to go to the mall. People are back at work on Monday so they need to lure us in with something.




Not just online
By Guspaz on 9/27/2013 10:53:28 AM , Rating: 2
The Canadian equivalent to Black Friday is Boxing Day, December 26th. It similarly sees massive crowds at stores (well, with less trampling, for some reason people seem more patient than what you see in the US).

The thing is, over time, Boxing Day sales turned into Boxing Week sales. You still get huge crowds on the day itself, but with the sales increasingly becoming spread out over a whole week, it's a bit less hectic.

Bizarrely enough, we still get Black Friday sales in Canada, despite it being just a random day in late November with no special significance (it's a work day). The reason is logical, though: Canadian shoppers would flock south of the border to get in on US Black Friday sales, so Canadian retailers tried to keep shoppers in Canada by offering similar sales.




observation
By RU482 on 9/29/2013 8:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
I think it is pretty safe to say that we are a much less glutinous nation today than we were in 2002.




Be Safe on Black Friday
By TinCity on 10/2/2013 12:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
Contrary to what anyone has to say, Amazon has the best black friday deals for Christmas. See for yourself: http://amzn.to/GzvUyj - I'm talking about up to 90% off of good products. No line, No fighting, No problem.




Stupid management, bad products.
By ummduh on 9/28/2013 10:25:52 PM , Rating: 1
The wife and I stopped going all together due to 2 things.

First, the stores keep knocking the hours back on when they open. Used to be early Friday morning, now it's late Thursday night, among other stupidness.

Second, the only real "deals" that seem to exist anymore are specially ordered items for the sale, that they don't normally carry, and are extraordinarily craptacular. They're selling the absolute worst shit they can sell, but it's cheap, really cheap, to get people in the doors.

They've bastardized it to the point that it's embarrassing.




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