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Thin is in at Apple

In case you haven't noticed, Apple is always on a mission to make its devices thinner. We saw that with the new iPhone 5, and we saw it again today with the new 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display.
 
Apple is now taking that extreme drive to makes its device thinner to the iMac. The new iMac is just 5mm thin, roughly 80 percent thinner than the previous generation model.
 
It includes an 80211n Wi-Fi, up to 3TB HDD, NVIDIA Kepler graphics, four USB 3.0 ports, GbE, Thunderbolt, and your choice of Core i5 or Core i7 processors. The new iMac also comes with 128GB of flash storage standard, which is then combined with 1TB to 3TB HDD.

 

 
Using what Apple calls "Fusion", the OS and all of your core applications are stored on the flash drive, while your user files and applications you don't use often are stored on the slower HDD. If you use applications that are stored on the HDD more often, they'll automatically be migrated over to the flash drive for faster access.
 
The 21.5" model (2.7GHz quad-core i5, 8GB, GeForce GT 640M, 1920x1080, 1TB) starts at $1,299. The 27" model (2.9GHz quad-core i5, 8GB, GeForce GT 660M, 2560x1440, 1TB) starts at $1,799. The 21" model will ship in November, while the 27" model will ship in December.


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5mm
By Jeremy87 on 10/23/2012 2:39:03 PM , Rating: 3
It's not 5mm thin. Its edges are 5mm thin, so it looks like 5mm thin but will still take up the same space as the old one.




RE: 5mm
By nafhan on 10/23/2012 3:05:18 PM , Rating: 2
How much space it takes up is actually going to be based on the height and the width of the stand. One might be able to argue that a thinner laptop benefits the user, but this is purely superficial.

At the same time, I can't really think of anything that would be a downside about this to most users... unless they got rid of the optical drive. I didn't see that mentioned here.


RE: 5mm
By Tony Swash on 10/23/12, Rating: 0
RE: 5mm
By StevoLincolnite on 10/23/2012 9:34:52 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The iMac will continue to be the top selling desktop computer in the US and Apple will continue to grow while the Wintel PC market shrinks. Which is nice.


Fanboy alert. - Take everything with a pinch of salt.

Also the best selling "Desktop" is home built systems, companies like Newegg built their business's on it.


RE: 5mm
By Argon18 on 10/24/2012 5:05:11 PM , Rating: 1
Huh? How old are you kid? "Wintel" is not a fanboy word. It's an industry term that's been in use since the early 1990's. I know, the word was commonplace when I was shopping for my brand new 25 Mhz 386DX. If it has an intel x86 processor, and runs a Microsoft OS, it's called a Wintel machine. It's an abbreviation for convenience sake. Like calling an Apple Macintosh a "Mac". Or calling Microsoft Windows 95 "Win95".

And no, home built systems are not the most popular in terms of market share. Home built PC's are for nerds without a girlfriend (myself included). Dell is the most popular consumer PC in terms of volume sales.


RE: 5mm
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/24/2012 6:37:49 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Home built PC's are for nerds without a girlfriend
Um...wrong...


RE: 5mm
By Mr Joshua on 10/29/2012 7:11:29 AM , Rating: 2
No, home built PCs are for those of us who require specific levels of performance, either for gaming or in my case, for the software I need to operate my home business. They are also for those of us who detest the $hit quality of on-board everything, in my case a top end audio board with a decent DAC to feed my Marantz amp.


RE: 5mm
By valkator on 10/23/2012 10:56:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because Apple makes an enterprise class, robust computer system that businesses buy. Oh wait... they don't. So businesses will continue to buy PCs for their server-client environments because.. well... they want to actually get work done. :)


RE: 5mm
By Argon18 on 10/24/2012 5:08:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Apple does. It's called a Mac Pro. Xeon server CPU's and ECC server memory. It's common in the desktop publishing and graphics art field. It's also popular for scientific computing, since OSX is a real UNIX OS, but the Mac Pro costs a whole lot less than a comparable SPARC or IBM POWER based workstation.

I don't own any Apple products, and never will, but at least get your facts right.


RE: 5mm
By evo slevven on 10/24/2012 2:41:01 AM , Rating: 2
That's pretty dumb of a post as your celebrating the purchasing of an AIO whose as powerful as some laptops and twice the price point too....

I have a custom built system and crushes my friends macbook 15" in performance. Still spent less than his book and I don't whine about not being able to play mmo's like he does.

Hey Apple build's good products but I'm just not lazy and, at the end of the day, why pay hundreds extra for looks; it's not a friggin girlfriend's salon treatment where I can expect a "good reward" later lol....


RE: 5mm
By ritualm on 10/24/2012 3:02:27 AM , Rating: 1
That's not comparable at all.
quote:
I have a custom built system and crushes my friends macbook 15" in performance.

Your friend's Macbook is portable. Yours isn't. Huge, hotkinkyjo difference right there. Way to lose an argument like a BOSS.

AIO's routinely pair laptop-bound GPUs with desktop-bound CPUs. They rarely have the room to properly cool a full desktop GPU without it sounding like a Hoover while idle. Why is that a problem for you?

My "desktop" is infinitely more portable than yours, and it comes with a true 2.5 hour battery that weighs a fraction of several 500A deep-cycle SLA batteries plus inverter. Oh, and it has more pixels than your TV to boot.

You lose.


RE: 5mm
By Nutzo on 10/24/2012 11:59:53 AM , Rating: 2
Wonder if it has the same overheating problem like many of the previous "thin" iMacs

And of course all these "all-in-one" designs have the same problems - lack of expansion, expensive to fix, and high replacement cost, since you have to replace the entire computer (no way to reuse the nice display)


RE: 5mm
By Nortel on 10/23/2012 3:07:49 PM , Rating: 1
It's a 27" monitor, what did you expect it to magically float above your desk?


Ok...
By Totally on 10/23/2012 1:54:05 PM , Rating: 4
so they're trying to pass off a tablet/laptop as a pc?




RE: Ok...
By Totally on 10/23/2012 1:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
I meant desktop, not pc


RE: Ok...
By Spuke on 10/23/2012 2:03:26 PM , Rating: 4
You never heard of the iMac?


RE: Ok...
By Shadowself on 10/23/2012 2:30:24 PM , Rating: 3
He may be referring to the graphics chips: 640M and 660M which most vendors would use in their laptops. So in some respects the new iMac is a huge laptop stuck on your desk.

These are probably fine with most users, but anyone that wants to use OpenCL like processes will likely be greatly disappointed. This effectively leaves out any purchase of a near term Mac for those people (e.g., people who do lots of video transcoding) as the MacPro is officially stuck at two full generations ago. And Tim Cook has already said no new MacPro until well into the next calendar year. (There are hacked video cards that will bring you into the present, but typically only the Mac diehards go that route -- but their still stuck in the pre Sandy Bride/Ivy Bridge CPUs.)


RE: Ok...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:59:45 PM , Rating: 3
Mobile GPUs paired with standard CPUs are standard configurations for all-in-ones. Any AIO by any vendor will be doing the same thing. Apple's are actually at the top from a cost:performance ratio. Back before Dell canned the XPS One it was both more expensive and lower specced than the iMac, same with HP's AIOs before they abandoned that price range and went for the low end.

They actually make decent workstations. I know a couple people who use them for After Effects and 3D work. I myself do a good amount of video transcoding on mine, and that's on a three year old model. An i7 860 is still a great CPU for getting work done.

You're right about the Mac Pro though, really disappointing situation with that and their pro apps (FCP, etc). Apple makes way more money chasing consumers than when they were mainly servicing professionals with their desktops, so pros were thrown under the bus.


RE: Ok...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 3:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
It actually looks like the specs go up to a GTX 680MX, I wasn't expecting that: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/


RE: Ok...
By ritualm on 10/23/2012 3:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
Oh great, more nvidia GPU naming obfuscation. Makes me wonder the key differences between a GTX 680M and a GTX 680MX...


RE: Ok...
By CyCl0n3 on 10/24/2012 8:45:18 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares about thin desktops?
By tayb on 10/23/2012 5:35:57 PM , Rating: 5
What the heck is the point in making a super thin desktop? It's thinner and lighter than the previous version? Why should I care? It's a desktop, I'll move it once a year maybe. I would rather have superior internals than a crazy thin tapered edge. Making notebooks thin and light has obvious benefits for a product that is designed to be portable. A desktop is designed to be fast, faster than a laptop, and with this latest update Apple has essentially glued a laptop to a stand.




RE: Who cares about thin desktops?
By Solandri on 10/24/2012 9:36:54 AM , Rating: 2
Target market. One of Apple's core customer base is artists and graphics designers who value form over function. This product meets their technical requirements (over-emphasis on the screen and GPU, under-emphasis on everything else), as well as their aesthetic tastes.

Psychologically, you do in fact work better when you feel better about the environment and equipment you're using. Unfortunately it also tends foster the snarky condescending attitude exhibited by some of the Apple fans here who believe because Apple products meet their requirements better, they must meet everyone's requirements better.

The bottom line is that everyone has different requirements and priorities. A product like this may be a total miss for you but perfect for someone else. Same as a custom-built PC with an emphasis on function rather than form may be a total miss for an Apple hipster but perfect for others. I myself would hate to work on something as limited as this. But I know several artist friends who would absolutely love it and the few extra hundred dollars in price premium would easily be offset by their initially increased productivity. That's why we have a free market and competition.


Use as monitor?
By EnzoFX on 10/23/2012 3:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know if this version loses this functionality? I think it was previously via a display port connection?




RE: Use as monitor?
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 3:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
They can most likely be used in target display mode from a Thunderbolt source, same as the other iMacs made since 2011.


apple and "thin"
By Argon18 on 10/24/2012 5:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
this "thin" stuff is idiotic. unless you're hanging it on the wall, who cares how thin it is? how do i benefit in any way, whether the display is 5 mm thick, or 50 mm thick? answer: i don't. making electronics unnecessarily thin adds no value, and only drives up the cost. it also limits the components that can be used, because of thermal limitations.

i hate this "thin" crap.




RE: apple and "thin"
By Angstromm on 10/24/2012 7:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
And for you that's a valid issue--it doesn't matter how it looks. Those for whom aesthetics matter, however, Apple keeps pushing the design edge and innovation: there sh*t looks cool!

W/ re. to componentry, a quick look over the specs says that they are able to produce a very powerful, capable system w/in those design perimeters. If the design and aesthetics don't matter to you and you want expandability, buy a different system; say, a Mac Pro or desktop PC...simple.


Screen res?
By bh192012 on 10/23/2012 2:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
Screen res?




RE: Screen res?
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 10/23/2012 2:24:14 PM , Rating: 1
Same as before IIRC.

I actually prefer desktop optical drives in enclosures as the slimline units are slower. I wonder if this one is VESA-mountable? And I guess Apple has forgiven NVidia for the shitty mobile GPUs of a few years back, where NV tried to slough off the blame for overheat-related failures to Apple, HP, etc.

I'm surprised this screen isn't touch-capable, though not very surprised.


Impressive. Color calibration from factory.
By Dug on 10/23/2012 9:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
"every iMac display is individually color-calibrated using state-of-the-art spectroradiometers to match color standards recognized around the world."

I'm buying.

A good 27" screen with that resolution is already $1000 without calibration.
So for another $800 I'm getting a very nice specced computer with wireless keyboard, mouse, speakers, camera, bluetooth, wireless, 2 thunderbolt, SDXC slot, USB3, all with only one cable coming out. All with looks that don't scream cheap plastic pos.

I couldn't even buy the parts separately and come to that price. Never mind it would have to be in a big black box with wires everywhere.




By bull2760 on 10/24/2012 3:54:11 PM , Rating: 1
What you wrote! Show me a AIO windows base PC that does not look like shit, the closest thing to looking good is Vizio's AIO and until I read some good reviews I won't buy one. Love them or hate them Apples designs are clean, tasteful and in some ways artistic. Hell HP's Envy line of laptops are almost a clone of the power book lineup. Seems like Apple is always setting the pace for engineering and everyone else playing catchup. Yes apple does fall behind in some aspects with regards to hardware, like the PowerMac but again show my a case as elegant looking as the PowerMac in the windows word. You ever look inside and see how clean a PowerMac is, no wires bunched up hanging all over, just pure elegance!


Specs
By Angstromm on 10/23/2012 2:59:37 PM , Rating: 2
You can check out the specs here:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/fam...

The 27" model will run, for graphics:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX,
or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX

The resolution is: 2560 by 1440

For storage:
1TB or 3TB hard drive;
+ 1TB Fusion Drive;
+ 768GB flash storage

Will run up to a 3.4GHz Intel Core i7 processor

And will have 4 USB 3 ports

Pretty impressive, if you ask me (and i know you did!). Almost make me a convert!!




Missing Info?
By norjms on 10/24/2012 5:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone else notice it doesn't appear to have a DVD drive? I guess a lot of software is delivered via the internet, but most of the games I buy are disc based. I guess you could plug in a external every time you need to play a DVD or install disc based software.




By spamreader1 on 10/24/2012 9:49:55 AM , Rating: 2
FusionIO from Nutanix.




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