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Verizon and Sprint kick dirt in AT&T's face

AT&T must like being the odd man out. In late August, AT&T announced that it would limit Apple's new FaceTime over 3G/LTE feature to customers with the new Mobile Share data plans. All other customers (including those with unlimited data plans) won't be able to access the feature without "upgrading" to a Mobile Share data plan.

This move would mostly affect legacy customers that have an iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S. 
  
Now, AT&T isn't only feeling the pressure from irate customers that would like the ability to use FaceTime over 3G/LTE without having to change their data plan; it's also facing pressure from its main competitors. The Wall Street Journal is reporting tonight that Verizon Wireless will include the use of FaceTime over a cellular connection on ALL of its data plans -- Big Red won't exclude anyone.
 
Sprint has already said that it won't charge customers extra, so that leaves AT&T to kick its ball all by itself in the backyard.
 
On the other hand, AT&T will have a leg up on Verizon when it comes to upgrades to the iPhone 5. AT&T will allow customers with grandfathered unlimited plans to carry them over when they purchase an iPhone 5. Verizon customers, however, won’t have that luxury. They will have to purchase an iPhone 5 at full price in order to keep their unlimited data plans.

Sources: Wall Street Journal, AT&T, Cult of Mac



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skype
By xti on 9/12/2012 10:58:24 PM , Rating: 2
dont most people just use skype so that they dont have to remember who has an iphone and who doesnt?




RE: skype
By Varun on 9/12/2012 11:17:10 PM , Rating: 3
Apparently not. Everyone in my office seems to just think FaceTime is the second coming of Jesus.

I mean I tell them everything they could do on Facetime they could do on Skype, and on every platform, but like with many things with Apple no one really cares about facts.


RE: skype
By corduroygt on 9/12/2012 11:24:42 PM , Rating: 3
Facetime is much more efficient and has much better video quality than Skype in my experience. There's also the fact that unlike Skype, you don't have to be "signed on" to a server for it to work.


RE: skype
By vcolon on 9/13/2012 1:09:29 AM , Rating: 3
Ever heard of Tango?


RE: skype
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/13/2012 1:27:04 AM , Rating: 3
Last time I saw him, he was with Cash.


RE: skype
By One43637 on 9/13/2012 12:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
+1

/sigh for showing our age...


RE: skype
By othercents on 9/13/2012 1:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
I use Tango since it works on all my devices with all my family all-over the world, however not sure if that will change now that Facetime works on cell service. Facetime has better quality, but it also takes more bandwidth because of that quality. We just have to wait and see.


RE: skype
By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2012 9:39:28 AM , Rating: 2
Facetime is NOT efficient, duh. How do you think it gets that better video quality? It eats up bandwidth.

This isn't even an argument though, Skype is clearly better for mobile communications and video/audio calling than Facetime.


RE: skype
By name99 on 9/13/2012 2:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Facetime is NOT efficient, duh. How do you think it gets that better video quality? It eats up bandwidth.

Can you give a number? And the comparable skype number?

It is an undeniable fact that Skype on iOS has SERIOUS battery problems. Leaving Skype running reduces your battery life to less than half what it should be. Until this is fixed by MS, it's going to be avoided by savvy iOS users.


RE: skype
By anactoraaron on 9/13/2012 6:40:54 PM , Rating: 3
This same damn argument again? Didn't any of you chime in when you had the chance a month ago? It was determined that Skype was better overall the last time this discussion was brought up.
quote:
It is an undeniable fact that Skype on iOS has SERIOUS battery problems. Leaving Skype running reduces your battery life to less than half what it should be.

That sounds like an apple software 'problem' and is probably intentional to steer most ios users to FT instead of skype.

Skype works well and doesn't eat battery life on any other platform. Wonder why that is.

quote:
it's going to be avoided by savvy iOS users.

Sorry, I didn't realize those users existed. I thought the whole point of buying into apple was you didn't need to be savvy, it is supposed to 'just work'.


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 10:24:46 AM , Rating: 2
The biggest benefit to facetime is that it doesn't require both parties to log in to a third party service. It's extremely convenient for iOS to iOS video communication. Skype is more flexible in that it is OS agnostic but only a handful of people in my contacts have skype accounts.

It's much easier to tell my mother "just go to your contacts, find me, and select face time" than it is to say "just download skype, open the app, create an account, add my account to your contacts list, and then video call me."


RE: skype
By jRaskell on 9/13/2012 11:12:32 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
than it is to say "just download skype, open the app, create an account, add my account to your contacts list, and then video call me."


Three of those 5 steps are 1 time steps. Once they are done, the process is essentially the same. Open Skype, select the contact, and video call.

IF Apple wasn't so utterly fascist about keeping their systems locked down, it would even be possible for Skype to tie into existing phone contacts and eliminate the step of adding contacts to your Skype account as well. Android allows this to be done very easily. It's still possible on the iPhone, but only by manually exporting your contact list onto a computer, and then importing that list into Skype. That's not Skype's fault though, it's Apples.


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 11:41:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Three of those 5 steps are 1 time steps. Once they are done, the process is essentially the same. Open Skype, select the contact, and video call.


True... but what is the point? It still requires a third party app on both ends. If I am on my iPad using iOS and my mother is on her iPhone using iOS why in the world would I choose skype instead of face time? I can think of all kinds of scenarios where skype is the better or ONLY choice for video chatting but iOS to iOS video chatting is not one of them.


RE: skype
By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2012 4:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
Are you going to base every argument on you and your freaking mother? Honestly just stop.

In your own words, Skype is superior because it's NOT platform limited. Honestly are you people SO incredibly biased, you don't even have non-iOS using friends or something? What are you, phone Nazi's?


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 5:24:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

-Reclaimer


Please, continue.


RE: skype
By drycrust3 on 9/13/2012 12:34:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Facetime is much more efficient

Skype messages are, by default, encrypted. My understanding is that Facetime messages are, by default, unencrypted.
Encryption means more data processing and more bandwidth, which means more inefficiency. Personally, I'd prefer the extra inefficiency when using the internet.
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There's also the fact that unlike Skype, you don't have to be "signed on" to a server for it to work.

Well, how do you login to Facetime if you don't sign on to a server to verify the password?
Skype messages are sent directly between users, they don't go via a central server. I don't have time to find out how Facetime works.


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 4:07:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Well, how do you login to Facetime if you don't sign on to a server to verify the password? Skype messages are sent directly between users, they don't go via a central server. I don't have time to find out how Facetime works.


There is no logging in or passwords. For iPhone to iPhone communication you use the phone number of the other person. To go from iPad/iPod touch to elsewhere you need a phone number or email. It's no different than placing a phone call or sending a text message.


RE: skype
By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2012 5:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
Skype is just as convenient too. You don't have to "log in" to use it, wtf? After it's set up, it's just as convenient as FapTime.

Just hush Apple troll, be gone.


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 5:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
blah blah blah my mother still spanks me blah blah blah

-Reclaimer


Compelling argument.


RE: skype
By anactoraaron on 9/13/2012 7:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Compelling argument.

Says the person who also says:
quote:
blah blah blah my mother still spanks me blah blah blah


It's always easy to spot trolls.

Look you may prefer to use FT for iOS to iOS... that's great. For everyone else there are better options.


RE: skype
By tayb on 9/13/2012 7:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Says the person who also says:


Yeah, I don't legitimately respond to reclaimer anymore.

quote:
Look you may prefer to use FT for iOS to iOS... that's great. For everyone else there are better options.


Pretty much already said that. My whole point was about iOS to iOS communication. I don't think you'll find a single person who thinks skype is better for that. FT is exclusive to Apple, how could it possible compete with skype on other platforms? It isn't even designed to. I don't know why you guys can't understand this. It's designed to make video chatting between iOS devices extremely simple, and it does that effectively.


Keep writing these inflammatory comments
By blueaurora on 9/13/2012 8:08:51 AM , Rating: 2
Every one of these anti-AT&T policy stories never go anywhere. AT&T somehow have a captive and obediant group of payers. I guess it is due to other family members being on AT&T. In the end AT&T will always pay less get more and people will tolerate it.

(Verizon customer still rockin an unlimited plan :))




RE: Keep writing these inflammatory comments
By DanNeely on 9/13/2012 8:33:36 AM , Rating: 2
How's the loss of access to subsidized phone upgrades treating you?

The question isn't if the phone company is going to try and screw you; but how they're going to do so.


RE: Keep writing these inflammatory comments
By Red Storm on 9/13/2012 9:02:07 AM , Rating: 2
at least Verizon's unlimited data is actually unlimited, unlike AT&T...


By xti on 9/13/2012 12:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
idk how you guys even reach the unlimited, i mean i have an unlimited AT&T plan, and i barely break 2gb...i stream radio all day, but my work has wifi...

it just seems like the unlimited/unmetered data plans are nice to haves, but they are being pushed like they are vital.


RE: Keep writing these inflammatory comments
By tayb on 9/13/2012 11:08:44 AM , Rating: 2
Where are the customers going to go? You basically have a choice of Verizon, AT&T, or sub par coverage. And switching is an expensive and difficult pain in the ass.

I can't believe we have let AT&T rebuild itself. They were torn apart for a reason.


By Manch on 9/16/2012 4:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Why is Sprint not an option? Where Sprints coverage drops, verizons takes up the slack. You have unlimited, no problem


Why?
By Dorkyman on 9/13/2012 5:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
Brandon, why the unflattering photo of W?

Trying to imply he's clueless? Or stupid? You do realize he got better grades AT YALE (I doubt you and I could get in) than that genius Kerry.

In fact, I'd wager better grades than Messiah. Oh, wait, Messiah is so ashamed of his academic record he refuses to release his grades.




RE: Why?
By tayb on 9/13/2012 5:30:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Trying to imply he's clueless?


No one needs to imply that.

quote:
I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best.


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In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession.


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Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.


quote:
I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.


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They misunderestimated me


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Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?


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This thaw -- took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw.


RE: Why?
By Manch on 9/16/2012 4:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Bush - Despite his poor grammar he served two terms as President.

Tayb - You troll on DT.

Bush wins...


Name change
By CZroe on 9/12/2012 10:36:28 PM , Rating: 2
"What Was AT&T Thinking? Verizon, Sprint Won't Charge Extra for FaceTime Over 3G/LTE"

Why the name-change?




RE: Name change
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/12/2012 10:41:31 PM , Rating: 2
Because I thought it was a bit harsh considering AT&T is allowing grandfathered unlimited with iPhone 5 upgrades.


Catch 22
By NeoReaper on 9/13/2012 11:46:24 AM , Rating: 2
I always find it interesting how people seem to hate AT&T but not Verizon for these silly shenanigans. I'd like to point out that Verizon essentially forces you to switch to a share everything plan in order to access the 4G network. Verizon's 3G is so piss poor slow that facetime would be utterly worthless without the switch. Kudos to Sprint/Nextel though.




RE: Catch 22
By Camikazi on 9/13/2012 2:59:43 PM , Rating: 2
I have an Unlimited Verizon account and I have 4G as well, I upgraded to a 4G phone after they got rid of unlimited as well.


not a smart move.
By texaskristi on 9/12/2012 11:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
hmm. is this also their way of moving those of us in grandfathered "unlimited" plans to plans with higher costs and less service? and I say "unlimited" because if we use too much of our "unlimited" plans they will just put the brakes on us. we have been considering moving to verizon because LTE isn't available in our area. if what I'm asking is true that just gives us one more reason to do so. disappointing ATT.

signed, LONG-time ATT customer...but maybe not for much longer.




What pressure?
By mcnabney on 9/13/2012 10:22:18 AM , Rating: 2
There is absolutely no pressure here. All of the AT&T customers that still have unlimited data aren't going anywhere . Sprint's network sucks and Verizon won't give them unlimited data.




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