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Leaf gets modest $180 price increase for 2014

Nissan has one of the more popular full electric cars on the market today with its Leaf. However, this popularity doesn’t mean that the Leaf isn't selling in huge numbers relative to more conventionally powered vehicles.
 
As a result, Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn wants to significantly increase the sales of the Leaf. Ghosn has stated that he expects the sales of the Leaf to double in the U.S. Last year Leaf sales hit a record number with 22610 units sold.
 
"We are now on a trend of 3,000 cars a month in the U.S., which is about 36,000 cars [per year]”, said Ghosn. "The next step is moving up to 4,000 a month, which is going to be approximately 50,000."

 
Ghosn didn’t offer a target date for those sales increases.
 
Nissan has also announced the pricing has gone up a modest $180 for 2014 Leaf vehicles. The 2014 Leaf S will start at $29,830, the Leaf SV will start at $32,850, and the top of the line Leaf SL will start at $35,870. These prices are before the $7,500 federal tax rebate.
 
The $180 price increase isn't that much and for 2014 all versions of the Leaf get a rear-view monitor. That back up camera was previously only available with the tech package. 

Source: AutoNews



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A few facts missing
By Shig on 1/9/2014 4:29:28 PM , Rating: 3
The range went up 6 miles (78->84) and the CAFE rating also went up.

The Leaf is a pretty sweet deal if you live in a state that also has incentives on top of the federal incentive.




RE: A few facts missing
By ltfields on 1/9/2014 4:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
Glad to hear there's finally some concrete information around these, even the Nissan website still lists the 2013 model primarily...


RE: A few facts missing
By Nutzo on 1/9/2014 6:26:04 PM , Rating: 3
Unless you live in a state that has very hot summers (which reduces the battery life), or a state with very cold winters (which reduces the range).

Or, live in a state (like California) with very high electric rates, making the cost to recharge about the same a paying $2.00+ gas, which sigificant reduces any saving even when compared to gas at $3.50.


RE: A few facts missing
By conq on 1/10/2014 8:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
Still waiting for those facts to become "old technology". I live in a cold climate, can't buy this vehicle because after doing the math I determined I would not be able to drive to work and back during winter after about 3 years because of the cold's impact on range and capacity degradation per year.

Otherwise I'd actually buy this thing...


RE: A few facts missing
By Shig on 1/10/2014 9:27:05 AM , Rating: 2
It may be a shot in the dark, but have you asked your workplace about EV chargers?


RE: A few facts missing
By StormyKnight on 1/10/2014 9:39:50 AM , Rating: 3
Can't even get a microwave for our break room. I'm sure they'll install EV chargers as the cheaper option.


RE: A few facts missing
By PittCaleb on 1/10/2014 10:01:13 AM , Rating: 2
Nissan offers a great Lease deal on the Leaf. Lease it and in 3 years, batter depletion is a non-issue. Traditionally, Leasing is a bad idea, but it looks very attractive with loads of incentives right now. Check it out.


RE: A few facts missing
By Maroon on 1/10/2014 10:59:16 AM , Rating: 2
Better to lease an EV the way technology is advancing on these things. In three years they're obsolete. Then you can just give it back.


RE: A few facts missing
By foxalopex on 1/10/2014 11:09:27 AM , Rating: 4
The Volt's also a good option in cold weather. I've been driving mine around in -31 F ( -35 C ) weather. A lot of folks have argued that a gas engine is a bad idea in an EV but gas engines generate a huge amount of waste heat which the Volt is smart enough to use.


RE: A few facts missing
By MichaelR on 1/9/2014 9:36:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The range went up 6 miles


The range did not change. Nissan eliminated the 80% charge option on the car, because the EPA made them use the average range of the 80% and 100% battery charge settings in their advertising. So now that they are allowed to advertise the 100% charge range, it looks like an increase over last year's model.


CEO Wants to Double EV Sales?
By wind79 on 1/9/2014 7:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
They should just provide the rear-view monitor for free if the intention is to double sales?




By GotThumbs on 1/11/2014 12:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
These cars (Nissan Leaf) are so ugly and offer very little space, that I'd only consider buying one as a second car to use for my daily 35 mile commute for work if it sold for $7,500 or less.

Whats the point of spending ~$30,000 on a clownish looking car. Sure it's a "Green" thing, but until the US brings back annual vehicle inspections for all states..You'll still see the blatent "SMOKERS" that bellow out enough pollution equal to 100's of properly tuned cars.

Now if Nissan could emulate something more like Tesla's styling for $30,000, then it would do even better and a serious contender for my hard earned $$$.

It's like they don't even want to try at designing a stylish EV car...for fear of robbing from their other car lines.

FUGLY car does NOT get my vote.

~Best wishes keeping what you earned.




When
By StormyKnight on 1/10/14, Rating: -1
RE: When
By wempa on 1/10/2014 10:28:51 AM , Rating: 2

I don't need them to be on par with ICE vehicles, but I prefer to have the backup ICE like the Volt does. I don't like the idea of being electric only and possibly being stuck somewhere because I underestimated the distance or how much battery I had left. My wife and I frequently make a 45 mile trip to see family. If they got the range of the Volt up to around 100 miles on battery alone and still kept the ICE, I'd be ready to make the move.


RE: When
By foxalopex on 1/10/2014 11:18:49 AM , Rating: 2
The Volt's still a good option if you mostly drive around 40 miles a day. If you do 100 miles on an average day however the Prius works out much better if you're trying to not burn gas. For myself, I average 20 miles so it work great for me.


RE: When
By Nutzo on 1/10/2014 11:32:35 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, one of the problems with the Volt is the size of the battery. The size/weight/cost of a battery to get a 40 mile range is not currenty cost effective for most people. The added weight lowers overall mileage, and the size take up to much trunk space.

One problem with non-plugin Hybrids is the poor mileage on short trips due to the time it takes to warm up the ICE. A pluging Hybrid (even with a short 10-15 mile range) gets around this. Plus, with a smaller battery, you can easily charge it from a 120v plug, the battery doesn't take up most the trunk, and it doesn't add so much weight that your mileage suffers.



RE: When
By clarkn0va on 1/10/2014 11:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A pluging Hybrid (even with a short 10-15 mile range) gets around this.


That was my thought too. Winters are cold in northern Alberta, and I figured with a 4.5 km commute to work, a plugin hybrid or pure EV would spare an ICE the torture of starting at anywhere from -15 to -45C in the winter for a short commute.

After some further reading it became clear that even plugin hybrids will start the ICE well inside of the all-electric range, either for torque assist or to warm the battery, depending on which vehicle you're looking at.

It seems a pure EV is a more sensible approach to avoiding ICE trauma in colder climates, with all the pitfalls that go with that choice.

I reluctantly opted for a coal burner this time.


RE: When
By Mint on 1/10/2014 1:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
That's mostly because GM is using a gas car platform on an EV.

Telsa has 5 times the battery and has more usable space - both in the trunks and around your legs - inside than its gas competitors. Battery size is already a non-issue with good engineering.

16 kWh of batteries costs ~$4000 today, and maybe a couple grand more for longer cycle life. It's just a matter of scale and commitment for PHEVs to cost only ~$6k more than a comparable regular hybrid, i.e. less than the tax credit.

It's dumb complaining about weight when a decent-range PHEV gets you 100 MPGe for 80% of your miles. Who cares if an extra 150kg gets you 37 MPG instead of 39 MPG for the 1/5th of your mileage done on gas.


RE: When
By StormyKnight on 1/11/2014 2:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't need them to be on par with ICE vehicles

I do. ICE vehicles are far superior in my situation as well as others who have longer commutes. I put between 500-600 miles per week on my car. Basically a 96 mile round trip for me. I also have a wife and 3 kids. My 2013 Malibu is too small for my family but I couldn't argue with the fuel economy.

When I say I wouldn't consider an electric vehicle until it is better or on par than an ICE vehicle in every way I mean in EVERY way. Size and comfort for my family. Range. It has to have the same range per charge as my Malibu has per tank fill up. The battery needs to recharge at the same rate it takes to fill an 18gl fuel tank. The ability to go anywhere for a charge. The infrastucture to charge my electric vehicle has to be the same as the infrastructure to fuel up my ICE car.

A lot of you will say I'm asking for the moon and that I'm being unreasonable in my expectations. But these are MY conditions to purchase an electric vehicle. If these conditions can't be met, an ICE vehicle will always be my first best option.


RE: When
By StormyKnight on 1/11/2014 2:43:08 AM , Rating: 2
*And DUH! Price. Price is important. Price must be in the same area as a comparable ICE vehicle.


RE: When
By Nutzo on 1/10/2014 11:21:44 AM , Rating: 1
Electric cars are the next big thing—and they always will be.

Barring some huge breakthough in battery technology, electric cars will never be viable for most people.

Even if they eliminated the heat/cold issues and managed a 4x increase in battery capacity (giving the leaf a 300-400 mile range) you still have the problem with charging it.

Most people (think apartments, or parking in the street) don't even have access to a 120 volt plug, let alone the 240 volt plug they would need to charge such a large battery over night. If you have 2 or 3 cars in you household, how would you plug all them in to charge over night? The electical service in most homes can barly handle one car at a time.

Plus, you would melt the electrical grid in most cities if even 20% of the homes plugged just one car in to charge over night, especially on a hot summer night when people are also using thier air conditioners.


RE: When
By Flunk on 1/10/2014 12:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
ICE cars have plenty of heat/cold issues too. I'm always worried my car is not going to start when it's -30 or below.

Range is not as important if you live in a city, so even if it doesn't work for you it might for a lot of people. A large percentage of the population lives in built-up areas.

Some apartments do have EV charging and more will in the future. The infrastructure is not there now but it may be in the future.

As for the grid, yes that would be a problem if everyone was driving an EV, but that's not likely for a long time.

I think EVs as a supplement to traditional ICE vehicles are going to be increasing in number, they don't need to be better at everything to be better for specific people's use cases.

Will they ever replace ICE vehicles? I would say that they will when fossil fuels become prohibitively expensive, which is likely 50-100 years from now.


RE: When
By foxalopex on 1/10/2014 1:33:05 PM , Rating: 2
Electric cars have their place. I wouldn't expect them to be the end all solution in much the same way that not everyone wants a station wagon or a camper van.

A lot of folks over-estimate the requirements for charging and range. When I first got my Volt, I wasn't sure if 40 miles was enough but then I realized later that my average trips are only about 15-20 miles a day. I have my Volt on a 240v charger and it gets about 16 miles / hour when charging roughly. While this could take a long time to charge a 300 mile battery. You can't seriously tell me that your average daily drive is 300 miles! That's 10x what the average driver does in a day.

Most Volt owners own a house too. In Canada, 120v outlets are common because there's a need to plug in your block heater at night so a normal gas car can start properly.

A 240v charger draws typically about as much as a electric dryer or stove. If your house can't handle a few of these, I would say you have an electrical problem.

Power use is worst during the day, breakfast, lunch and supper. It's always the lowest at night even with summer AC. (During the day the sun means you need more AC, you're active cooking, watching TV or doing laundry) If you can't accommodate an EV at night what makes you think the system can accommodate the day?

Plus utilities would be thrilled if you used power at off peak hours. It helps even out the load which means more money for them.


RE: When
By Mint on 1/10/2014 2:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most people (think apartments, or parking in the street) don't even have access to a 120 volt plug, let alone the 240 volt plug they would need to charge such a large battery over night.


That's not "most people".

http://www.nmhc.org/Content.cfm?ItemNumber=55508
Only 17M households (15%) rent structures of 5 or more units, I bet most households without a car will be in this group, too, and thus irrelevant to your argument.

As for street parking, the vast majority of houses have a carport or garage:
http://www.census.gov/construction/chars/pdf/parki...

Anyway, I don't see why a plugin hybrid is not an electric car. Their whole raison d'etre is to be an EV as often as possible. They WILL be viable for most people.


RE: When
By Nutzo on 1/10/2014 4:15:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only 17M households (15%) rent structures of 5 or more units, I bet most households without a car will be in this group, too, and thus irrelevant to your argument.


In reality, you number are also irrelevant.

I used to live in a condo complex where each condo had an attached single car garage. 80% of these garages where used for storage/extra living space, and didn't have room for a car. Many of the 3 bedroom units had 3 room mates, each with thier own car, that was parked in the common parking area or in street, with no electrical access.

I now live in a upper scale community of larger homes with 2 & 3 car garages. Based on what I see on my street, the average number of garaged cars per home is likely less then one.


RE: When
By MichaelR on 1/10/2014 7:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
80% of these garages where used for storage


It is amazing how many people leave a $30,000 car outside to rot so they can store a bunch of crap in their garage that wouldn't bring $200 in a yard sale.


RE: When
By Reclaimer77 on 1/11/2014 11:17:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In reality, you number are also irrelevant.


Mint is good for doing that. He finds some off the wall study or survey and throws it at us to prove we're all wrong about EV's.

The guy is SO in the tank (pun) for EV's, he must be financially involved somehow. I believe he said he was an electrical engineer, that's a big hint.

I mean, his numbers are just such horses*it. Drive down any city street, go through any apartment complex, or any given neighborhood. What do you see? TONS of cars parked on the streets or in driveways.


RE: When
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 10:24:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyway, I don't see why a plugin hybrid is not an electric car.


I don't see why my ICE is not an electric car either. I mean, it has a battery!

/facepalm

Plug in hybrids aren't EV's because they are - wait for it - HYBRIDS. Wtf man?


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