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Event data recorder (EDR) or "black box"  (Source: carseek.com)
The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers wanted to push the setting of black box standards to September 2013

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) declined the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers' request to delay set standards for "black boxes" in vehicles.
 
The black boxes, called event data recorders (EDRs), are used in autos to record the last moments before an accident to identify its cause. Automakers have been using them for awhile now, but the NHTSA's new standards, which are to be set September 1, could force auto companies to replace their current EDRs for more expensive ones. 
 
The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents automakers like Detroit's Big Three, wanted to delay the setting of EDR standards to September 2013. The group said automakers with older EDRs can meet the new regulations by disabling these older versions, but only as long as the new rules set standards for the devices -- not mandate them. 
 
The NHTSA rejected the request in an eight-page letter, saying that it has already cooked up some ways to help automakers comply without having to spend extra money. Besides, the new standards have already been delayed several times since the rules were finalized in August 2006. 
 
"The agency has made it a priority to work toward a proposed standard that would mandate these devices on all passenger vehicles on the nation's roadways," said Lynda Tran, NHTSA spokeswoman. "NHTSA remains committed to proposing a standard in the coming months that will help save lives by ensuring both automakers and the agency have the necessary data to make continued improvements in vehicle safety."
 
According to NHTSA, EDRs are already in 91.6 percent of vehicles today, and it would only cost about $24.4 million to boost this number to 100 percent. This is based on the sale of 15.5 million light vehicles annually. 
 
Back in April, the U.S. Senate passed a bill called the "Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act," also called "MAP21." The bill aimed to place EDRs in all 2015 model year vehicles, but also had a bit of a downside -- the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) could strip Americans of their passports if they owed enough tax money. 
 

 

Source: The Detroit News



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Interesting
By jharper12 on 8/14/2012 8:27:03 PM , Rating: 3
MAP21 - this bill aims to ensure 100% of 2015 model vehicles have an event data recorder. It also allows the IRS to strip Americans of their passports if they owe enough in taxes.

Events related. System broken.




RE: Interesting
By leexgx on 8/15/2012 12:42:33 AM , Rating: 2
it records the last moments before the crash seems an really good idea as long as its not logging for more then couple of mins

but i guess its only last moments of the crash means speed, brakes and g-force direction then permanently records it due to Impact on the car {airbags deployment would be good trigger as if they have gone off its most likely the last thing the car is ever going to do, as airbag norm = wreck}

this post is in relation to all posts at the time i posted this (your car most likely all ready has an EDR now)


RE: Interesting
By Reclaimer77 on 8/15/2012 1:42:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
(your car most likely all ready has an EDR now)


Nope and I'll tell you something else, no car I will EVER own will have one of these. Black boxes in our vehicles is just crossing the line, big time. The Government has absolutely no right to mandate something like this either.


RE: Interesting
By othercents on 8/15/2012 9:26:39 AM , Rating: 3
So if you were involved in an accident and it was deemed your fault, however you knew that the other driver did something to cause the accident, wouldn't you be happy to know you can prove it by having the police officer look at the EDR?

If the EDR is only accessible after an accident and isn't storing data for normal traffic stops then there really isn't any reason not to have them unless you are the one causing the accident and trying to get away with it.

Other


RE: Interesting
By tigz1218 on 8/15/2012 10:03:02 AM , Rating: 3
So your saying the ability to prove the correct cause of an accident is a strong enough reason to give up our right to privacy?

How about this, instead of making it a law and forcing it on everyone...if you want a black box installed in your car to help in that situation, then go to the store and buy one yourself?

Sad how so many of you are willing to burn the Constitution for little conveniences cause you are too lazy to buy/do something on your own.


RE: Interesting
By Reclaimer77 on 8/15/2012 11:12:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the EDR is only accessible after an accident and isn't storing data for normal traffic stops then there really isn't any reason not to have them unless you are the one causing the accident and trying to get away with it.


That's always how it starts you gullible fool!

You know what's funny about Daily Tech? If Google tried something like this, there would be 100 posts from people screaming about privacy rights, and how evil Google is, etc etc

But nobody except me and the same 3 or 4 other people seem to question when the Government does something or apply any critical thinking.


RE: Interesting
By Nfarce on 8/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Interesting
By Ammohunt on 8/15/2012 2:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.


Benjamin Franklin


RE: Interesting
By Rukkian on 8/15/2012 12:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
While I may not normally see eye to eye on with Reclaimer on many topics, this I agree with. The government has no business in this. It does not help safety at all. The only party that is helped by this is insurance companies trying to decide who was at fault and who they can raise rates on.

This will not deter crappy drivers from being idiots, and will not save any lives.


RE: Interesting
By Natch on 8/15/2012 8:58:03 AM , Rating: 3
You don't need a fancy black box to know what causes most accidents.

It's usually the loose nut behind the steering wheel!!


Over my dead body.
By inperfectdarkness on 8/15/2012 12:23:03 AM , Rating: 2
If I'm ever forced to buy a car with a black-box, ripping the damn thing out is the 1st modification I'm going to do. I don't have a Facebook account either. Coincidence?




RE: Over my dead body.
By vectorm12 on 8/15/2012 8:09:08 AM , Rating: 2
By the time it's been standardized it's most likely gonna be tied into the ECU of the engine. Which means it's not just gonna come out without modifications to the engine/drive-by-wire systems.


RE: Over my dead body.
By Nfarce on 8/15/2012 11:05:54 AM , Rating: 1
And by that time, someone will likely have created a device/program to modify the ECU that will have one of these. (In the 80s and 90s before we had laptops and custom tailored performance curve programs to tune today's cars, we called them EPROM chips and they replaced stock ECU chips - Hypertech Industries was one of the first to do so). It was one of the easiest and least expensive ways to boost 10% plus in horsepower and torque.

Now the question will be if modding tomorrow's ECU with this black box capability - altering or even removing the BB data recording capability - will void the warranty on the vehicle. That may be how the government will keep a grip on us by the short hairs. I'd seriously contemplate voiding my warranty to keep the government out of my life and where I drive. It is not a stretch to believe that one day that black box data can be used to track your miles and tax you more in some new tax plan passed in Congress and signed by the president.


RE: Over my dead body.
By donxvi on 8/15/2012 7:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
FWIW, where I work this function is handled by the airbag control module.


By Reclaimer77 on 8/14/2012 8:13:10 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
According to NHTSA, EDRs are already in 91.6 percent of vehicles today


Nope, let's not wait for it to become 100% on it's own. We need to mandate it NOW and make it law so people can think we're doing something good.




By Samus on 8/15/2012 1:39:49 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. I don't see eye-to-eye with you on many things, but this is something that is going to happen automatically. Why is this even taking up valuable time in government. God damnit is this seriously the crap they talk about in the House/Senate?

It seems they just distract us all from the real issues (like our failing education system and complete lack of national security) and just talk about crap that has no place in government all day long like vehicle data recorders, abortion, gun control, gay marriage, yada yada....politicians, start doing your jobs and focus on REAL ISSUES.

So yes, what I am saying is if you believe in regulating vehicle data recorders, abortion, gun control and marriage rights, then you are part of the problem. All of this crap should be controlled state-by-state. Education and national security is only something as large as the federal government can fix, because in its current state, it will require more money than any state has available to fix.


By Dr of crap on 8/15/2012 8:41:32 AM , Rating: 2
"...politicians, start doing your jobs and focus on REAL ISSUES"

Do you REALLY EVER think this will happen???

It's ALL about the money and keeping themsleves in office - nothing else. Our political system has turned to sh$t and it only getting worse!

I'm thinking the founders of our govt wouldn't like what they see now days, but Ben Franklin, I think it was, made reference to something like this. He could see that the form our govt they set up wasn't bound to last to long!


By Beenthere on 8/14/2012 10:16:16 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone of these criminals in DC should be hung by their thumbs for a couple months so they know who they are accountable to.




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