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Shane McGlaun (Blog) - March 11, 2013 8:38 AM

78 comment(s) - last by retrospooty.. on Mar 12 at 1:21 PM

More Galaxy S IV details leak

Samsung will be officially unveiling the new Galaxy S IV this Thursday. However, that's not stopping new images and details from leaking about the device ahead of the official unveil. New photos have turned up from China show a device that doesn’t mirror the design of previously leaked images.

However, the screenshots from the new leaked photos show that this device has hardware that matches up with previous leaks. This has led some to believe that this could be a prototype device used for carrier testing to protect the final design of the smartphone in the case of a leak (such as this one).

^{[Image Source: Sammy Hub]}

The screenshots show that the device is running Android 4.2.1 and has a full HD resolution 1080p display. The screenshots also show a 1.8 GHz processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 13-megapixel rear camera.

The device in these new images is supposedly a dual-SIM version of the S IV destined for China Unicom.

Source: SammyHub

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Looks bad man.

By Gunbuster on 3/11/2013 10:36:54 AM , Rating: 1

All the new Samsung gear looks like fragile fingerprint magnet plastic. What is the draw for people?

RE: Looks bad man.

By ksdp37 on 3/11/2013 10:41:58 AM , Rating: 2

I agree. All the S3 phones I've seen that look like greased up toys; very prone to fingerprints and greasy marks!

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RE: Looks bad man.

By CZroe on 3/11/2013 10:46:44 AM , Rating: 2

It may not look as good or be as strong, but at least it's impact-absorbing and replaceable. Strange that their phones don't fair as well in drop tests though. Perhaps the larger screens make them more fragile unless they make them proportionally thicker to boot.

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RE: Looks bad man.

By ChronoReverse on 3/11/2013 11:34:06 AM , Rating: 2

This is true but I'd prefer something with a bit of texture to at least add grip and reduce fingerprints. Like the kevlar backs of the Razr's for instance.

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RE: Looks bad man.

By ssnova703 on 3/11/2013 10:48:03 PM , Rating: 2

So many people making a ruckus that the Samsung galxaxy is too thin, made of plastic(hence light), and may not do well in a straight drop test against concrete with no protection. But if you ask me everyone will put a case on it anyways.

So I rather it be thin and light, since it'll have some added bulk later with a case. People forget, before the iphone5, it wasn't nearly as good on a "real world" drop test, though the iphone4/s was made of aluminum and was thicker and felt "tough"... you would still have to put on a protective case, which made the thicker iphone, even more thicker! How many people I knew with iphone 3G/s and iphone 4G/s's that had cracked screens from drops.. only to learn their lesson and buy a protective case to add even more bulk.

My point is, better it be thinner and lighter to later be put in an ultra strong case to protect your investment...rather be in a bigger, heavier form factor that 'feels' nice, but only gives you mediocre protection, which will inevitably lead you to still get a case anyways.

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RE: Looks bad man.

By Uncle on 3/12/2013 12:28:56 AM , Rating: 2

The front looks like my old Galaxy Ace.Not much you can do to change designs on phones I guess, rehash will be common.

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RE: Looks bad man.

By macca007 on 3/12/2013 2:02:28 AM , Rating: 2

Then change the cover to a metal one,It's not that hard not that hard, Another feature Apple will try and copy/patent later on!
The draw is a better phone with more features, That's the draw!
Not sure about most people but functionality THEN looks for most things in life, cars/computers/phones whatever it is. No point having something look good if it doesn't perform.

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RE: Looks bad man.

By kmmatney on 3/12/2013 9:19:34 AM , Rating: 2

I like the new HTC One (all aluminum design) better as well.

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lighter hood make car faster...

By half_duplex on 3/11/2013 9:37:36 AM , Rating: 2

Im not crazy about the matierial being used for the rear... reminds me of those plastic hoods the Asian kids would put on their Acuras back in high school.

RE: lighter hood make car faster...

By exanimas on 3/11/2013 3:47:04 PM , Rating: 2

You're thinking of carbon fiber, not plastic. As far as I know, purchasing this material isn't strictly limited to Asians.

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RE: lighter hood make car faster...

By half_duplex on 3/12/2013 10:47:35 AM , Rating: 2

Well... when I was in high school... they were actually just plastic meant to look like carbon fiber.

And only the Asians had them. The non Asian gear heads stuck with Camaros and Mustangs.

Also, the Asians didn't win many of the races.

But their turbos sounded cool.

But not as cool as the turbo V8s.

I miss those days.

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Bigga is Betta

By BernardP on 3/11/2013 9:47:51 AM , Rating: 2

Apparently, progress means phones getting bigger and tablets getting smaller. The intersection point should be at 6.023 inches.

RE: Bigga is Betta

By VoodooChicken on 3/11/2013 1:20:44 PM , Rating: 2

What do you propose the girth at this size should be?

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RE: Bigga is Betta

By coondini on 3/12/2013 11:14:29 AM , Rating: 2

Ahh, good ol' Avogadro's number (minus the x 10^23 part of course). Gotta love chemistry.

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I hope those aren't real

By Nortel on 3/11/13, Rating: -1

RE: I hope those aren't real

By CZroe on 3/11/2013 10:48:43 AM , Rating: 5

You do know that the raised vents around the mic are an industry standard so that it will not seal against a flat surface and muffle the audio, right?

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 11:00:29 AM , Rating: 5

"You do know that the raised vents around the mic are an industry standard so that it will not seal against a flat surface and muffle the audio, right?"

No, Nortel doesnt know anything about anything. He is threatened by anything that isnt Apple branded and needs to post on every competing product to try and detract from it.

As far as the S4, it looks like one of many new 1080p phones. Nothing particularly spectacular about it... Although to be clear to Nnortal ALL of them are better than the wee lil iPhone you hold so dear. Apple needs to step it up.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By RufusM on 3/11/2013 11:39:45 AM , Rating: 3

IMO the three factors to Samsung's success with the Galaxy S3 in the US and, probably with the Galaxy S4 is:

1. The products check all of the boxes: LTE/HSPA+, good battery life, light and thin, removable battery, SD card, great camera and they function very well.
2. They are available on all US carriers from launch day.
3. Marketing, marketing and more marketing. Samsung has been blitzing US consumers with Galaxy S3 and Note 2 ads everywhere. I see them on buses, stadiums, local stores, billboards, etc.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Nortel on 3/11/13, Rating: -1

By Nortel on 3/11/2013 11:56:02 AM , Rating: -1

A huge majority of users never replace their battery, despite believing it is a great feature. Why? Because most people don't like carrying around pockets full of batteries and the huge hassle of swapping them in and out to charge.

Removable SD cards are similar. Micro SD cards are extremely slow compared to the built in storage. Of course, they don't want you to think this, which is why they only give you 2-8gb of built in storage and let you pay for slow removable storage. For this 'feature', people cheer in the streets. Again, I don't know anyone who actually swaps out micro SD cards as most people have apps running on the cards and can't simply swap a card with movies for another one floating around with their coins.

Samsung is successful because of marketing, creating a product that has a 'large screen' and selling it cheap. If Samsung's phones were the same screensize as an iPhone and at the same price, nobody would be buying them.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/13, Rating: -1

RE: I hope those aren't real

By sundragon on 3/11/2013 12:47:05 PM , Rating: 2

Wow, what's with the name calling? You can disagree without saying stuff like "Apple fucking moron" - That just makes you sound like a tool and as someone who uses Android products, guys like you make us all look like angry 14 year olds.

The phone looks just like the S3, which isn't a bad thing as people who have the previous versions will want something similar. I'm not a fan of a huge screen though - I have big hands and it's still a chore to dial. It's like trying to dial with one hand on my Nexus 7, lol

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 12:56:14 PM , Rating: 1

Nortel is a tool... an Apple tool. And saying shit like "people don't do that" as a fact, when it's not fact, is getting pathetic.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 1:12:42 PM , Rating: 2

No, Cheese is right. Nortel is a well know Apple apologist and tries to find ways to crap all over anything that competes with Apple. The obvious lack of tech knowledge just makes him laughable. Yes, SD cards and removable batteries are slow and useless. Except they arent slow and are totally useful.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By JackBurton on 3/11/2013 2:24:25 PM , Rating: 3

Are you freakin' serious? If that's the case, just about everyone who posts on DailyTech is an Android apologist. ANYTHING remotely related to Apple gets "crapped all over." So please stop with the "apologist" crap.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 2:34:31 PM , Rating: 2

I am dead serious, and what you say isnt overall true. Sure some people will crap on anything Apple, they are equally as idiotic as Nortel. Apple has alot of good products with good points, and so do competitors. If Nortel were to just once in a blue moon not be such a tool and see the other side it would go along way.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 6:53:14 PM , Rating: 2

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Sure some people will crap on anything Apple, they are equally as idiotic as Nortel.

Hey watch it buddy! :)

quote:
Apple has alot of good products with good points

Meah, maybe their laptop line sure, albeit overpriced. But as long as their phones and tablets are stuck in that horrible obsolete iOS garden, it's open season as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/12/2013 8:56:11 AM , Rating: 2

Give Apple some credit, its a good quality phone, and is fast as hell with great battery life for its thinness. If you wanted a small phone, and didn't care about an HD screen, SD card, rem. battery, multi window, wireless charging, HDMI, mini USB, edge to edge display, widgets, wallpapers, custom ROMs, NFC, better notifications, etc. etc., its a good phone. Clearly a lot of people like it. To me it sounds like a low end phone with a high end SOC.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 1:14:17 PM , Rating: 2

that it*

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By rudolphna on 3/11/2013 12:34:36 PM , Rating: 2

Get a clue. MicroSD is not necessarily slow. Also, do you know why? Because apple charges $100 to double the memory. I can buy a 32GB microSD card for something like $35. Why would I pay $100 for that? You are a complete idiot. Nobody swaps SD cards sure, BUT you can buy a huge one without having to pay a $300 extra to get it.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 12:42:07 PM , Rating: 2

people do swap them...

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By rudolphna on 3/11/2013 1:01:52 PM , Rating: 2

Edited: MOST people don't.

That was really worth replying to? Good god.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Mint on 3/11/2013 1:05:03 PM , Rating: 2

Swapping is quite useful, as it's not just about space.

If you carry a tiny microSD reader as your flash drive, it makes transferring data from any computer fast and easy. If your camera has a microSD card (whether using an SD adapter or not) you can pop it into your phone for uploading, easier viewing, etc. You can even use an app do some video editing of footage from your digital camera or camcorder.

FYI, if you're paying $35 for a 32gb microSD, you're getting ripped off.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Nortel on 3/11/13, Rating: 0

RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 1:44:11 PM , Rating: 2

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I guess I'm the still complete idiot right?

Yes

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 1:54:01 PM , Rating: 2

Funny how you claims Android users don't post actual data but you throw out numbers here with..no actual data...

Oh the irony...

And comparing on-board memory to external? LoL...

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 3:18:42 PM , Rating: 2

"The fastest microSD card read speed is almost 23MB/s and write 21.5MB/s. The iPhone 5's speeds are 70MB/s read and 40MB/s write. These are real world benchmarked speeds. So almost 3x faster read and 2x faster write. I guess I'm the still complete idiot right?"

Yes, you are... But lets pretend you aren't and see if you can answer these questions.

Most high end phones internal storage is faster than SD cards. That is a known thing.

- Can you think of a reason why having external storage would be good regardless if its not as fast? I can think of several
- Can you think of a reason why having swappable memory would be good? I can think of several
- Can you comprehend that if you are storing apps or music or whatever on an external card, it doesn't make a difference if its 23mb/s vs. 70mb/s? I can.

It's fine if you don't need it, don't want it, or wouldn't use it, but some people do, so keep your uneducated remarks to yourself, you don't understand the tech, don't even try, just STFU and go back to your Apple sites where you complete lack of knowledge can be appreciated.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Nortel on 3/11/13, Rating: -1

By Nortel on 3/11/2013 3:50:03 PM , Rating: -1

Turning off the phone, taking off the back cover, taking out the microSD card, putting the new card in, replacing the back cover and turning back on the phone. Of course, this is assuming you don't use a phone case... This is what you are hailing as a excellent feature. Of course any apps installed on the card won't work now but I'm sure you'll find this to be yet another great feature.

I love carting around a pocket full of SD cards, it's my passion in life.

Loading apps at 70MB/s compared to 23MB/s doesn't matter when Samsung is at the losing end. I mean, who would want to load applications 3x faster? Nobody likes transferring music/videos 2x faster either.

Yes, I don't understand the tech. SD card's are so very complicated and why would anyone want to use iTunes to organize their library with playlists, star ratings, track play counts, download cover art and edit meta data. I obviously miss my Creative Zen and manually dragging mp3's over.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By darkhawk1980 on 3/11/2013 4:13:14 PM , Rating: 2

Yup. And when you have to spend an hour or more moving your music from your Iphone 5 to your new Iphone 5S, and all I have to do is remove my uSD card, and put it in the new phone taking all of 30 seconds, who will be complaining then?

It's storage. It's not meant to hold applications (although it can). Music, Videos, Pictures, documents, whatever! Being able to have that, and have it be removable is an option that some people want.

You center your argument around loading app's....Honestly, most people ARE NOT loading app's from their uSD cards.
While transferring music/video's 2x faster is nice, guess what? I only had to do it once. If you've been using Iphones since the original, thats what? 4 times now that you've had to transfer that data? Guess what, I've still only done it once after 4 phones. Time lost? Not on my end....

People aren't generally removing their uSD cards on a regular basis. Most people rarely ever remove it. Yet again, most of your argument center's around that.
I think it's plainly obvious, you just don't have the understanding to comprehend the reasons. You'd much rather waste time transferring all your data from phone to phone. That's fine, some people are slow. There's nothing wrong with that.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Nortel on 3/11/13, Rating: -1

By Nortel on 3/11/2013 4:54:02 PM , Rating: -1

I upgrade my phone once a year and use it 365 days of the year. For one of those days I connect my old iPhone to my computer, click backup, connect the new phone and click restore. Everything is copied over in one step. Your argument seems to be surrounding the maybe one day a year a phone gets updated.

Samsung only gives you 8gb of internal storage so once that is gone, you're left installing onto SD card. Is the next argument going to be that there are not enough decent applications for Android to even take up 8gb?

My argument is that most people never remove their SD card. On some phones you even have to remove the battery to get at it. Some people on here are saying they change their card all the time and that leaves me wondering if they are using their phone properly. When Samsung takes away the removable battery and SD card will there be some excuse why it was a good move or will people finally acknowledge it was done to save money and nothing more...

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By tamalero on 3/12/2013 1:09:55 PM , Rating: 1

At this point you're clearly a troll..

Samsung offers different phones with different capacities.

my S3 as 16Gb

also, in the same way you "plug" to sync, the samsung can sync as well.
everything your precious iphone can do, the samsung and most android devices can as well.

Also the removable battery is useful if it craps itself.
you do not have to wait days and pay a hefty sum to get it fixed in apple.
you just open your galaxy, remove the battery, put a new one.. and you're good to go.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2013 1:16:18 PM , Rating: 2

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At this point you're clearly a troll..

That has been established quite some time ago.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/12/2013 1:21:09 PM , Rating: 2

"At this point you're clearly a troll.."

You are talking to the guy (Nortel) who says that Samsung totally copied Apple with its choice in RAM sizes for the S3, 16,32,64gb... Copied that from Apple. I kid youy not, he actually said that, and tehn defended his position on it, right here just within the past few weeks LOL. A complete and utter idiot.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 4:56:57 PM , Rating: 2

Like I said... " you don't understand the tech, don't even try"

Its obvious from your comment you dont get it and dont need it, so dont worry about it and dont try to comment, because its beyond you.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By faust67 on 3/12/13, Rating: 0

By faust67 on 3/12/2013 12:05:19 AM , Rating: 0

I really enjoy hearing Apple and Android fans crapping at each other. I am a software developer (usually desktop and web applications) and I just finished my first mobile application for iPhone/Android using PhoneGap. It is not native applications, but not everybody has the time or the financial resources to learn and develop for 2, 3, or 4 different platforms. From my personal experience, I spent about equal time on each platform scratching my head on strange bugs/behaviors. I have a preference for Android development, not because of the platform itself, but because I can can work in Linux and Eclipse, my usual tools. In comparison, XCode just really sucks and the hurdles I had to go through to just be able to test my application on a real local device is just ridiculous. Why not allow local device testing and then force applications' signature once you want to test from the Apple Store? The other thing is that you have to have a mac to develop for iOS. Really? I have to buy a computer that cost at least $1000 for an application that will be free? WTF? Well, I should not say that, but virtual machines are here for the rescue, bought the system, a quick installation, and voila! A mac for $20. Just for fun, I also tried to rapidly test the application for Windows Phone 7 / 7.5 (win8 requires to have a Windows 8 system! They seem to steal (bad) ideas from Apple). Will it surprise anybody if I say that the application worked in general, but that all the HTML5 pages were really messed up? Apparently Microsoft doesn't know either how to create a working browser on a mobile device! Oh well, I will take a look at that when I really really really really have nothing else to do.

Despite having a relatively high level of development skills and a good understanding of different operating systems, I don't own a smartphone and I don't have a facebook or twitter account. I know I am weird, but besides my wife, my parents, my sister, and a couple of colleagues, I don't have 1000 friends to communicate with. Makes life much simpler and I don't get anxious because a "friend" didn't answer my last post 2 minutes after I posted it (my wife is driving me nuts with these kind of things). Regarding my wife, she is looking for a new phone to replace her current basic Android device that served her well for more than a year now. She was considering an iPhone because one of her brother told her how great it is, then she took a look at the S3 and the reaction was "Oh! The iPhone look so tiny in comparison!" I just cracked up and when she understood why I was laughing, she just told me that I was a old dirty pig. Obviously, she prefers it big. Well, anyway she is now looking at the Nokia 920, so much more "sexy". The only thing that stops her: she wants an unlocked phone and she doesn't understand why these phones all cost more than $600 when her 15.4" Sony laptop with an i5, 500Gb HDD, 6GB Ram, a 1080 LCD panel, DVD burner, discrite graphics, USB 3.0, HDMI, wifi, etc... cost only about $300 more. Good question... I scratch my head on that one too.

As a Linux user (Mint 14), I really put a lot of hope on the last developments from Ubuntu. I am not really fan of Ubuntu's efforts to implement their ugly interface on the desktop (and Gnome 3 just makes me puke, just Windows 8 before Windows 8), but it seems to really work on a smartphone. That would be great to have different distributions you can choose for your phone, all applications working of course on installed systems (of course with the limitation of choosing the binary for the right processor). I would love to be able to apply my C++/C skills to develop native applications on various devices. I never really understood Google's decision to use JAVA as the programming language for Android. This adds overhead that just sucks out processing power. iOS devices use native applications (correct me if I am wrong), so of course they will get better performance with less powerful hardware. If Android was just a thin window manager layer above a minimalistic Linux kernel, current Android devices would just make iOs devices look like sluggish snails. Well, perhaps this Apple/Android battle is a unique chance for Linux to really shine (I know that Android use Linux for its kernel, but I don't consider Android to be a Linux system). Well one can alwyas dream.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 4:11:56 PM , Rating: 2

He loves to take his examples to extremes... carrying around a pocket full of sd cards, a pocket full of batteries...

It's quite sad and pathetic to see how cut off from reality he really is.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 5:00:55 PM , Rating: 2

I know, its like saying "Driving cars is stupid... You have to carry ALL these keys around and All these 5 gallon barrels full of gasoline just so you can get to where you are going. You'd be better of staying at home."

LOL

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By testerguy on 3/12/2013 3:46:32 AM , Rating: 2

No, it's not.

It's like saying 'This particular car is stupid, the fuel tank isn't big enough so you have to fill the boot with barrels of gasoline to be able to last you the full journey. I'd prefer a car which has a bigger fuel tank.'

The whole replaceable battery argument is stupid anyway, as I've told you many, many times. For the cost of a replacement battery for a Samsung Galaxy, you can buy a portable mobile phone charger which allows you to charge any phone say 2x (more than a replacement battery), without turning said phone off. They are the same size and weight as a replacement battery so there's no disadvantage.

The SD card argument is different, and if you do need SD card storage fair enough - but I personally believe that the majority of people would prefer not to have to mess around with SD cards and just use the inbuilt storage. Most people are connected to Wifi during the day and can sync whatever files they want before they go on holiday or extended breaks away from Wifi.

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By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2013 8:01:15 AM , Rating: 2

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The whole replaceable battery argument is stupid anyway, as I've told you many, many times.

Great for you? As if your opinion is somehow more valid than other people? No, it's not.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/12/2013 9:02:30 AM , Rating: 2

Are you seriously coming in here defending even half of Nortel's Jr. high level argument? Please read his posts that prompted our replies first. The guy is a meathead. At least Tony , TYP, and you on occasion can come up with relevant debating points. Nortel isnt even dabating, just coming ip with childlike responses...

Now i must get gym bag full of SD cards and batteries and head out on my day... Lol

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2013 11:20:25 AM , Rating: 2

They are both meatheads..

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/12/2013 12:38:53 PM , Rating: 2

I am pretty sure one is a meathead and the other is just hard headed... I was giving him a chance to not be a total iTool. ;)

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2013 12:42:58 PM , Rating: 2

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I was giving him a chance to not be a total iTool. ;)

Little late for that ;)

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By CZroe on 3/12/2013 11:29:03 AM , Rating: 2

I have a spare Sony Ericsson battery (BT45) and charger (EP900) for my Xperia PLAY 4G (R800at) and it has been extraordinarily useful.

Batteries wear out and lose their capacity over time/cycle. Being able to replace them is a good thing. Being able to swap distributes the effect over two batteries so that it will be twice as long before it begins to impact you (or less now that the spare will always get a full charge and the user is more likely to give a full discharge).

You forget that people are not always somewhere where they can charge and they often don't want to leave their phone unattended. Charging whenever for however long is you have is pretty bad for a battery.

I have a problem where my phone sometimes runs dead from full in a few hours when home near the microcell (glitch with the baseband, I assume). If I'm working in the yard and need my phone, I can't just leave it plugged in indoors. That spare battery lets me get things done.

Lastly, mine is a gaming phone with a gamepad. People call it "the PSP phone" or "the Playstation phone." The problem is, I can run a PSP dead without losing my phone, but I can't risk running this dead by playing games or I'll be stuck without a phone until I can return to a charger at the end of the day. With a spare battery, I can risk it and actually use my phone for the function that makes it special.

Next, this particular phone has a pitiful amount of internal storage (512MB). I have to root and use Titanium Backup to force a ton of apps to the 32GB SD card, but I still have routinely swapped. For example, coworkers often ask me what I'm watching. When they are interested, I hand them my SD card and they copy it to their phone, no computer required and no standing around losing battery power and time for wireless transfers. While I would prefer not to mess around with it when it comes to managing my own apps, I have to after even a few apps (most of the space is used by the ROM). Also, some games have several hundred MBs of additional data that they download to the SD card (FMV and recorded audio doesn't need to fill up my fast internal storage no matter if I have the room).

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 5:16:27 PM , Rating: 2

lol yeah. It's like...who want's a car charger anyway!!?? Carrying around pocketful's of car chargers and cables omg.

Speaking of extremes notice he's using the mainstream media technique of unverified hyperbole like "everyone I know" and "most people" etc etc.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 5:21:06 PM , Rating: 2

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Speaking of extremes notice he's using the mainstream media technique of unverified hyperbole like "everyone I know" and "most people" etc etc.

Him and the other who likes to use that alot, TYP.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 5:51:12 PM , Rating: 2

hahah yeah, TYP is the king of anecdotal evidence as being ultimate fact.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By CZroe on 3/12/2013 11:00:47 AM , Rating: 2

Plenty of people do. Having apps on them is why there are dual SD card phones.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 5:10:29 PM , Rating: 1

God you're an annoying little sh*t-brained hater aren't you?

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A huge majority of users never replace their battery

Right because no doubt you have some study or survey in front of you proving this. No? You pulled this out of your ass? Okay just checking.

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If Samsung's phones were the same screensize as an iPhone and at the same price, nobody would be buying them.

Says Nortel, the great and powerful all-seeing soothsayer!!!

If what you say is true, maybe it's because people who are buying Samsung phones WANT A BIGGER SCREEN AND MORE FEATURES?? I guess common sense is pretty uncommon in Crazytown: population you.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By testerguy on 3/12/2013 3:50:24 AM , Rating: 2

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Right because no doubt you have some study or survey in front of you proving this. No? You pulled this out of your ass? Okay just checking.

So you have a study or survey in front of you proving that lots of users replace their battery? No? So you can't disprove his claim? Okay just checking.

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quote: If Samsung's phones were the same screensize as an iPhone and at the same price, nobody would be buying them. Says Nortel, the great and powerful all-seeing soothsayer!!! If what you say is true, maybe it's because people who are buying Samsung phones WANT A BIGGER SCREEN AND MORE FEATURES?? I guess common sense is pretty uncommon in Crazytown: population you.

Er, he didn't say 'more features' - and that isn't necessarily true. There are features both phones have which the other doesn't. He also said 'same price' - so he's claiming that the larger screen and cheaper price (which you conveniently ignored) are what is selling Samsung phones. I'm inclined to agree (it's quite obvious).

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Tony Swash on 3/11/2013 2:09:01 PM , Rating: 1

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Apple needs to step it up.

I guess Apple needs to do better than having the first and second best selling handset, maybe they could be ambitious and aim to occupy the number three slot as well.

This is interesting BTW

http://www.asymco.com/2013/03/11/where-are-the-and...

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 2:15:01 PM , Rating: 2

BTW, it's not really interesting.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By iamkyle on 3/11/2013 3:03:03 PM , Rating: 2

Why are you quoting a pro-Apple website?

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/11/2013 3:04:15 PM , Rating: 2

Apparently you aren't around much? That is his whole agenda. Propping Apple up like the good like puppet he is.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Tony Swash on 3/11/2013 7:39:57 PM , Rating: 2

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Why are you quoting a pro-Apple website?

Because what you dismiss as a pro-Apple website is the site run by Horace Dediu who is considered to be one of the most perceptive and respected analysts of the mobile tech industry.

One of the outstanding aspects of Horace Dediu's work is is extensive use of sourced data to analyse the mobile tech industry and to reach carefully reasoned conclusions.

I often cite his work here and it often gets a similar dismissive response, similar to yours, from iPhobes and Fandroids. What's so consistent and telling is that not once, not on a single occasion, have any of those who rush to dismiss his work ever exposed a single flaw in his data, his sources, his reasoning or his conclusions. Not once.

In fact I challenge those who think his site is 'pro-Apple' to dissect any of his articles and show where he has made a mistake in the data he has assembled or the carefully reasoned conclusions he has reached. Go on I dare you :)

Here is a hint to help you: just saying it's wrong because you don't like the outcome does not in itself constitute a critique of someone's reasoning, you actually have offer counter reasoning.

"We can have facts without thinking but we cannot have thinking without facts."
-- John Dewey

"The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory."
-- Paul Fix

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By anactoraaron on 3/11/2013 7:59:17 PM , Rating: 2

He's also the most pro-apple analysts there is - even when every other analyst dogs apple and ditches their apple stock, there's good ole Horace to sing the praises and hymns of the apple doctrine.

People who often quote others generally lack the ability to form thoughts of their own.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Tony Swash on 3/11/2013 9:15:51 PM , Rating: 1

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He's also the most pro-apple analysts there is - even when every other analyst dogs apple and ditches their apple stock, there's good ole Horace to sing the praises and hymns of the apple doctrine.

So I note you didn't take up my challenge to logically take apart any of his arguments or challenge any of his data sources in any of his articles. Not liking it's conclusion is not in itself a counter to a piece of reasoning. Merely saying you don't like his conclusion means noting unless you can say why his conclusions are wrong and offer a counter line of analysis.

Why are iPhobes so intellectually feeble?

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 3:21:01 PM , Rating: 2

"I guess Apple needs to do better than having the first and second best selling handset, "

Yes, they do if they want to keep that title. Although that tittle isnt really a one to one comparison, since there is one iPhone released every year and many models of the better platforms... But you know that dont you? You just posted that to make it seem different than reality dictates.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 5:13:21 PM , Rating: 2

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I guess Apple needs to do better than having the first and second best selling handset

Sounds impressive until you factor in that Apple are the only ones making iPhone handsets. When you have no competition in your own class, yeah, you're probably going to win.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Tony Swash on 3/11/2013 7:22:36 PM , Rating: 1

You people are funny.

Apple makes handsets and competes against other companies that make handsets. Apple not only has the top selling two handsets, outselling the handsets made by any other company, but manages to sell those best selling handsets at a much bigger profit than any other handset maker.

This apparently is meaningless when assessing the relative success or failure of Apple's handset business.

The reality distortion field at full strength, plus clearly complete ignorance about how businesses actually work.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/11/2013 7:37:55 PM , Rating: 2

Right back at you... Sales and quantities mean nothing when we talk about market share when Android dominates... 5 to 1 sales gap that Android has over IOS is totally meaningless to you... Then suddenly they matter when Apple sells the most in a particular region in the quarter of their new product release?

Are you that daft, or is that you think we all are?

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Reclaimer77 on 3/11/2013 8:03:34 PM , Rating: 2

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Apple makes handsets and competes against other companies that make handsets.

What an amazing in depth representation of this issue. See Jane. See Jane run.

My point was pretty logical. Apple makes one phone, ONE. Which you then compare to other platforms that comprise dozens and dozens of phones from different companies, all competing with each other and Apple. So when you say Apple has the single highest selling phone, well, duh?

All I did was put your statistic in context. Does that take anything away from Apple? No. I'm just framing the facts in a more fair and unbiased manner.

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The reality distortion field at full strength

On that we are in total agreement :) I don't think you know what that term means, or who it was coined for...

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By testerguy on 3/12/2013 3:41:46 AM , Rating: 2

Sorry but, whooosh.

You can't even understand a simple point.

If someone goes into a shop to buy a phone, they have a choice of say, iPhone, SG3, SG2, HTC One, whatever.

For them to select an iPhone, they have to believe it offers more than all of the other phones , exactly like any of the other models.

To try and claim that it's somehow easier to sell an iPhone because there's only one of them is flat out stupid. By that logic, someone can come out with a device called the Zonko 991 with a custom OS and 'well duh' - it will definitely be the best selling phone? How can you not see how idiotic that logic is?

All you're actually saying is that Apple has managed to distinguish itself in a way that none of the competitors has - by building its own OS and app store which offers more in some respects to what Android does. But that's part of their package, it's part of their offering, it's something they built and invested in. Every other company is free to try and do exactly the same thing. Because Apple leads in this area, it gives them a competitive advantage, but do not confuse that with not having to compete with every handset that any Android has to .

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By retrospooty on 3/12/2013 7:02:41 AM , Rating: 2

Its like this...

In the US , it is a very split political environment, liberals, independants, and conservatives. There are many, many different national news outlets most all of which lean liberal. There is only one that leans conservative, Fox news. Fox is consistently the most watched because it caters to conservatives. The rest of the country is split between a dozen other outlets. Are you with me so far?

Claiming that Apple sales are #1 is like claiming that Fox news is #1. Its neither a positive or a negative, as its not on the same scale. If you were looking for who watches the most news to see where the country is at politically you would incorrectly assume its Fox because it its the most watched, but you would be wrong. If you were looking for which single news outlet was most watched it would be Fox, but its meaningless to determine anything on a national level as its not a straight comparison.

If you are looking for what platform sells the most phones, its Android, by 5 to 1. If you are looking for what single phone sells the most its iPhone, obviously, because its the only one, like Fox news. To argue about real sales is pointless, they already happened and can't be changed. My disagreement with Tony is the double standard. When shown Android outsells IOS 5 to 1, he says sales #'s are meaningless... Then when its Apples turn, suddenly sales #'s matter again Apple is on top . See the hippocracy?

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2013 8:11:25 AM , Rating: 2

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See the hippocracy?

He doesn't, promise that, he is too tuned into his Apple fantasy land that he can't see the forest through the trees.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By tayb on 3/11/2013 1:05:42 PM , Rating: 2

The cutouts look crappy as hell. I'm just going to assume this is a prototype model. Industry standard or not those cutouts looks crappy.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By Joofville on 3/12/2013 1:30:35 AM , Rating: 2

This is what I am thinking, The cover shown seams to be a prototype. I am sure the final product will be more refined. I really don't understand why everyone is throwing a hissy-fit without even seeing the final product.

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RE: I hope those aren't real

By CZroe on 3/12/2013 11:35:57 AM , Rating: 2

You don't seem to realize that it isn't flat so that the microphone openings don't seal against a flat surface. Almost every flat-backed phone has an uneven grill for that same reason. It isn't because the teeth on the saw blade caught the remaining plastic and deformed it on the way out.

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