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Nest CEO Tony Fadell  (Source: Yahoo Finance)
Any changes to Nest/Google's privacy agreement will be "opt-in"

Last week, Google shocked the tech community when it announced that it was acquiring Nest Labs for $3.2 billion. While the acquisition made sense to Google given the company’s thirst for automation services and hardware, many people were concerned about user privacy with Google now at the helm.
 
After all, no one wants to wake up in the middle of the night and walk past their Nest thermostat only to see the display light up with ads for insomnia pills.
 
In fact, Nest co-founder Matt Rogers looked to ease fears about privacy on the day of the announcement with a blog post, stating, “Our privacy policy clearly limits the use of customer information to providing and improving Nest’s products and services. We’ve always taken privacy seriously and this will not change.”
 
Now, Nest CEO Tony Fadell is looking to provide a little more clarity to the whole issue, thanks to comments he made at the DLD Conference in Munich, Germany. Fadell explained, “At this point, there are no changes. The data that we collect is all about our products and improving them.”
 
More importantly, Fadell added, “If there were ever any changes whatsoever, we would be sure to be transparent about it, number one, and number two for you to opt-in to it.”
 
So it appears that for now, Nest users are safe from being brought unwittingly into the Google “collective.”

Source: TNW



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By tayb on 1/20/2014 1:21:32 PM , Rating: 5
There is no other reason for Google to buy Nest than to collect data. They may do it anonymously but they are absolutely going to start collecting data from Nest.

If you buy a Nest thermostat just know that your data is absolutely going to be collected and used by Google. If you have a problem with that then Nest is not the thermostat for you.




By fic2 on 1/20/2014 1:24:51 PM , Rating: 4
Nest smoke detector: Smoke has been detected in your living room. Your phone has been sent a list of nearby stores that sell fire extinguishers. You have also been emailed a list of disaster recovery services with a coupon.


By tayb on 1/20/2014 2:12:58 PM , Rating: 2
Can you please quote the sentence or sentences in my post that led you to believe I am concerned about Google collecting data from Nest or that I believe Nest data is sensitive?


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/20/2014 2:24:23 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think it's so much the temperature data...

The Nest is pretty much Santa Claus... it literally knows when you are sleeping, it knows when you're awake. It learns your work schedule, automatically knowing when you leave and come home every day.

And the motion sensor know when you're moving around in the house and at what time.

Google would probably love that kind of information :)


By Tony Swash on 1/20/2014 2:38:07 PM , Rating: 1
This is an interesting take on the Nest/Google hookup

http://www.marco.org/2014/01/14/nest-privacy


By Shadowself on 1/20/2014 5:07:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the always impressive Silicon Valley vet Jean-Louis Gassée
You are joking, right?


By troysavary on 1/20/2014 7:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
So Gassee lead the Mac into obscurity, then headed up the failed Newton project. Then he marketed Apple to near bankruptcy. After that, he started the much hyped, but failed Be. He later advised Nokia to make a move they rejected. Now he is yet another tech blogger and "analyst". Actually, it doesn't sound like a terribly impressive resume.


By retrospooty on 1/21/2014 7:34:53 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Sounds like the guy has a really bad eye for business. Gaseee "not getting it" is a ringing endorsement as far as I see.


By Tony Swash on 1/21/2014 9:30:41 AM , Rating: 2
Attacking the author means you don't have to deal with anything he actually said, presumably because you cannot (but do please prove me wrong).


By troysavary on 1/21/2014 9:35:46 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, I agree with much of what he said. I was just taking a jab at the way you slavishly admire anyone who confirms your biases.


By fic2 on 1/21/2014 1:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
Android probably already knows when your sleeping - and when you are supposed to wake up. That you stop by the Starbucks on the way to work on Tue and Thu. And the bar on Wed on the way home.


By Dean364 on 1/21/2014 10:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
No crap. Our smartphones already provide tons of data about us.


By Cheesew1z69 on 1/20/2014 4:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, and the trend I see is, it's mostly Appletards doing it.


By KoolAidMan1 on 1/21/2014 8:58:36 PM , Rating: 4
Anyone with two working brain cells is a little suspicious of Google, even Android users. You're blind if you think it's limited to some fanboys or are in denial that the backlash isn't real.

What you do see here are the usual Googletards white knighting for their precious. I don't understand the blind devotion to a company with such hostile user policies and beta products.


By Cheesew1z69 on 1/23/2014 10:46:50 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Anyone with two working brain cells is a little suspicious of Google, even Android users. You're blind if you think it's limited to some fanboys or are in denial that the backlash isn't real.
Again, for your non-two brain cells, it's MOSTLY Apple users that are making the biggest noise, not Android users and most certainly not many people outside of the tech world. Most people just honestly don't give a shit.

quote:
What you do see here are the usual Googletards white knighting for their precious. I don't understand the blind devotion to a company with such hostile user policies and beta products.
And you, as a huge Appletard, knight for your precious, Apple, any chance you get.


By tayb on 1/20/2014 7:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
Did you read this comment from inside Eric Schmidt's anus? Or did you crawl out and make your way inside the comfort of Larry Page's?


By troysavary on 1/20/2014 7:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
So, can you give a plausible reason for Google acquiring Nest that doesn't involve them gathering data for advertising purposes? Pretty much everything Google does is to further refine their targeted advertising. They are an ad company, it is what they do?

Google didn't spend $3.2 billion just because they thought the Nest thermostat was pretty. It doesn't take any kind of paranoia or fear-mongering to recognise they expect to profit from that purchase, and for Google, profit means advertising.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/20/2014 8:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
The data Nest provides Google is next to useless right now. I don't know how to break it to you, but Google gets much better location data from your phone, than your Nest (Assuming you have an android phone, and/or use Google maps). Better yet, that actually tells Google about you, and not all the members of your household combined. If anything, Google will use their data to make Nest better; for instance, it could maybe start seeing when you are headed home, and start heating up your home.

Google has been working on smart home tech since 2009. They got serious in 2011 with Android@Home, but it never took off because the hardware partners didn't come through. Guess what Nest runs? ANDROID. So this is the PERFECT acquisition. Nest will be THE killer hardware and design house for smarthome products.

So to answer your question, THAT is the 'plausible' reason Google acquired Nest. Not to primarily target ads, but to launch a product they've been working on for years.

But go ahead with your same "privacy" witch hunt of Google and whining about advertising. We WILL have affordable and modern home automation that works flawlessly with our mobile devices thanks to Google. Google is poised to be a major disruption in the existing smart home industry, and all I can say is: it's about time.


By troysavary on 1/21/2014 9:34:27 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not even saying it is a bad thing. You see attacks on Google in every statement. Advertising is not evil, I have never once criticized Google for advertising. I've stated that they need to be careful how intrusive it is or people will stop using their products, but I have never once said it was wrong. I have also never said data gathering was wrong. In the case of Nest, you opt in to it when you install one. Nothing I said in my previous post was anti-Google. But you are naïve if you think Google has no plans to monetize the data that Nest can gather for them.

I could care less when Google gathers data from people who choose to allow it. It is when Google takes what isn't theirs to take that I call foul. When Google circumvents Do-Not-Track, when they record Wi-Fi in driveby snooping, when they take other's IP and call it their own. That is what I condemn Google for. Try to whitewash it all you like, but Google are thieves. Distrust of Google is growing, and that is why you are seeing backlash against this purchase. Even though Google is doing nothing wrong this time, inherent distrust of Google is showing in the reactions to the news.


By Cheesew1z69 on 1/21/2014 9:57:46 AM , Rating: 3
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Distrust of Google is growing, and that is why you are seeing backlash against this purchase.
Not really, most of the backlash is relegated to forums/sites like this, and it's MOSTLY Apple users...


By Reclaimer77 on 1/21/2014 5:39:13 PM , Rating: 1
Way to ignore every valid counterpoint to your loony bullshit, and use it as another soapbox opportunity.

quote:
Distrust of Google is growing, and that is why you are seeing backlash against this purchase. Even though Google is doing nothing wrong this time, inherent distrust of Google is showing in the reactions to the news.


You're right, with the falling stock prices and marketshare losses and earnings rep - oh wait - there is NO "backlash" or distrust of Google in any significant numbers.

Google haters like you, and Apple fans, make a huge deal online over every Google-related story. But in the real world, nothing is changing, nobody is scared of Google, and there is no distrust.

quote:
But you are naïve if you think Google has no plans to monetize the data that Nest can gather for them.


That data will be used to make my life better and more convenient and automate annoying chores like managing the thermostat in my home. After that, we could GIVE a flying fuck what Google does with it. And sorry, but I AM speaking for the majority here.

I've already demonstrated that the data Google would collect from Nest would be redundant and next to useless for their advertising business. But keep ignoring that in favor of rampant negative speculation.

And please don't say you aren't a hater. Anyone who says "Google are thieves" is in WAY too deep to play that card.


By troysavary on 1/21/2014 5:57:31 PM , Rating: 1
What valid counterpoint? Your only counterpoint is, every time, "Google does no wrong, so if you think so, you are a hater". Yes, I don't particularly like Google, but unlike you, I can separate my feelings from my analysis. I don't automatically think everything Google does is bad, just because I disagree with some things they do. You, on the other hand, think Google is magical and never does wrong, even when wrongdoing is put right in front of you.

Google has been found to be breaking the law many times now in courts. They have had to change practices due to losing lawsuits. I know in you alternate reality, none of this matters, but in the real world, even Google must follow the law.

Also, unlike you, I don't think those who like what I don't like, or who dislike what I like, are mentally deficient in any way. Most people are not so insecure that they feel personally threatened and feel a need to lash out in anger when a product or company they are a fan of is criticised.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/21/2014 6:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What valid counterpoint?


Please. You obviously had no idea that Google has been heavily investing and researching a smarthome initiative for years now. In your mind, Google bought Nest to "spy" on everyone and that's all there is to it.

Accusing me of bias doesn't give you a green-light to be so ignorant of the subject.

You probably didn't even know Nest runs Android already, which is why Google chose Nest and not Honeywell or another smart-thermostat maker.

quote:
You, on the other hand, think Google is magical and never does wrong, even when wrongdoing is put right in front of you.


That's not true. However this article isn't about their "wrongdoings". YOU choose to bring those up in EVERY Google-related topic. You also call them "thieves" and other nonsense.

YOUR bias (more like hatred) is the problem here, not mine.

quote:
Google has been found to be breaking the law many times now in courts. They have had to change practices due to losing lawsuits.


So has Apple and Microsoft. Yet I notice when those companies are brought up, you have an entirely different tone.


By idiot77 on 1/20/2014 7:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
Sensor technology. That's what they were after, and that's what they got.


Insatiable quench?
By trisct on 1/20/2014 3:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
Unquenchable thirst?

Instatiable hunger?

Editor? Does anybody read these articles before they go live?




RE: Insatiable quench?
By ClownPuncher on 1/20/2014 5:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Insoluble grin.


the answer is simple
By AntiM on 1/20/2014 1:17:09 PM , Rating: 2
Don't hook your crap to the internet. Are they going to sell controls and appliances that require an internet connection? I would think not. Do you want to be able to monitor your devices from the web? Increased convenience equals decreased security.




RE: the answer is simple
By retrospooty on 1/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: the answer is simple
By Wazza1234 on 1/21/14, Rating: -1
RE: the answer is simple
By retrospooty on 1/22/14, Rating: 0
RE: the answer is simple
By Wazza1234 on 1/23/2014 4:47:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I dont bitch about the iPhone.


...too... many... millions... of... quotes... proving... this... to... be... BS.

quote:
I bitch about no-life lonely losers like you that feel compelled to log on to the internet for the sole purpose of defending a compan


Translation: I'm a no-life lonely loser who bitches about people rather than discussing technology because I have an irrational hatred of a company and can't stand any factually correct points which are positive towards that company.


RE: the answer is simple
By retrospooty on 1/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: the answer is simple
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/23/2014 10:52:09 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
but please try and think before you comment.
I believe that's a little beyond his mental capacity.


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