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Microsoft isn't overly concerned about its struggles in the tablet industry, according to a top executive.  (Source: Reuters)
Company is unconcerned about the iPad and its Android counterparts

Jean-Philippe Courtois, president of Microsoft International, in an interview with Reuters, delved into the topic of tablets.  When asked whether Microsoft was concerned about the iPad and other tablets affecting the company's dominance of the PC market, he states, "Devices are going to go and come."

Microsoft is currently partnering with Intel to roll out 10 or more Windows tablets this year.  But those tablets, like the currently available HP Slate 500, don't have an operating system refined for touch (they run Windows 7).  And while they may offer compatibility for some files that competing tablets cannot (e.g. the iOS-powered iPad and Android devices), they are expected to also have inferior battery life, as Intel Atom SoCs are currently less power-efficient than competitive ARM SoCs used in these rivals.

In the long term Microsoft plans to fix those problems by embracing ARM and releasing a version of Windows fine-tuned for tablets.  Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer announced that Windows 8 will support ARM processors at CES 2011.  Much like Android 3.0 Honeycomb, Microsoft’s Windows 8 will also have a build refined for a touch-driven tablet world.

But Windows 8 may not arrive until 2012 -- or later.

Recent reports revealed that when tablets are factored in to Apple's PC market share, it jumps to number two on the list of top worldwide PC sellers, passing Dell.  And Android devices are heating up too, with the Samsung Galaxy Tab selling well and Honeycomb devices launching this Spring.

Mr. Courtois says that even if Microsoft faces an uphill battle in the tablet market, those problems will be offset by Microsoft information technology gains in developing markets.  He states, "We see some growth across the world both in developed countries and in emerging countries and that helps the IT spending (outlook)."



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The future of Microsoft and tablets
By Tony Swash on 1/29/2011 6:04:02 AM , Rating: 3
In summary this is how I see the situation in relation to Microsoft and tablets.

Microsoft has openly and strongly promoted the notion of a tablet computer for over a decade now. It has urged and worked with it's OEM partners to produce Windows tablets based on at least three versions of Windows (XP, Vista and Windows 7). Many different Windows based tablets have been available in the market for several years. All have been product failures. All have sold in small numbers. None has generated any traction in the market.

Apple's has sold 17 million iPads in nine months since its launch in April 2010. The iPad in nine months has out sold many times over all previous and existing Windows tablets. Demand for the iPad appeared to accelerate throughout that nine month period. The iPad now has over 50,000 dedicated Apps specifically written for it and there is a large, growing and thriving iPad developer community. The adoption of the iPad in educational institutions, the media and in the enterprise also seems to be robust and accelerating.

All I have said above is indisputable fact.

The question is how should we interpret these facts and based on these facts what is the likely future in relation to tablets and Microsoft?

Here is my interpretation of the facts and my view of the likely way things will unfold.

a) It does not appear that the iPad is a short lived market phenomena and there are good reasons to believe that demand for tablets will continue to grow.

b) Many, many OEMs have announced plans to release tablets in 2011. Most will be running versions of Android, a minority will run Windows.

http://www.engadget.com/features/tablets-at-ces-20...

c) I see no reasons why a Windows based tablet should succeed now when all previous Windows based tablets have failed in the past when there was much less competition.

d) The only real competition to the iPad will come from Android tablets using ARM not Intel chips.

e) Whether the iPad does or does not remain as dominant as it is now the tablet market will be large, significant and growing going forward.

So Microsoft appears to be facing a situation where a major new market segment of personal computing is opening up and in which it will be an insignificant player with any existing version of Windows. For the first time since it established it's hegemony in the personal computing market Microsoft is facing a situation where a significant numbers of OEMs are adopting a non-Microsoft OS.

If faced with such a situation Microsoft can either:

Decide the rise of a large market for non-Windows tablet won't effect it's core PC business and ignore it.

or

Rewrite Windows and Office to run on touch based tablets running ARM and hope that by the time both are ready (probably in 2012 at the earliest) that OEMs are interested in paying to adopt a new non-Android OS and that the tablet market will have space for a late arrival to make an impact.

Both options seem bad and risky to me. But I cannot see a third option.




RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By SPOOFE on 1/29/2011 10:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
c) I see no reasons why a Windows based tablet should succeed now when all previous Windows based tablets have failed in the past when there was much less competition.

What does lack of competition do? Raise prices. Why did previous generations of tablets fail to catch on in the common market? High prices. What is all this tablet competition going to do? Lower prices.

I understand your point, but we've seen Microsoft enter a market with strongly entrenched and successful competitors, and from everything we've seen they've done it quite well. That's no guarantee they'll repeat their success, but it certainly shows that they can pull it off.


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By themaster08 on 1/30/2011 4:32:19 AM , Rating: 2
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Why did previous generations of tablets fail to catch on in the common market? High prices.
Not forgetting that tablets were virtually unheard of. It's not because people didn't want them, it's because people didn't know what they were (at least until Apple's marketing team got in on the act).

I've seen one or two iPads in some businesses. They're mostly used for note-taking, remote desktop and VPN purposes. They're easier to carry around and have longer battery life than traditional Windows-based tablets, allowing users to carry them for longer periods of time, and allowing the user to be more portable.

Beyond said tasks, they're virtually useless in business. As soon as those Microsoft tablets are released with the right size/weight and consumer attention, the iPad's existence in the business world will become less so than it already is. Minimal integration in the network. Exchange set up is dire. No remote assistance. Fragmentation of platforms. Lack of provision of software installation/updates. No multi-user capabilities. Need to sync with PC. High price for minimal business features.

Tony has quite clearly never worked in the IT industry. He seems to believe that the consumer market is pushing the business market. Some businesses may be enticed by consumer-oriented devices, however most companies are trying to spend as little as possible, and get as much as possible out of their investments. Most of our clients are still running 5 year old PCs and seem content enough with them to not even consider an upgrade, let alone spend £400+ on each employee purchasing iPads for them.


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By Tony Swash on 1/30/2011 7:09:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not forgetting that tablets were virtually unheard of. It's not because people didn't want them, it's because people didn't know what they were (at least until Apple's marketing team got in on the act).

I've seen one or two iPads in some businesses. They're mostly used for note-taking, remote desktop and VPN purposes. They're easier to carry around and have longer battery life than traditional Windows-based tablets, allowing users to carry them for longer periods of time, and allowing the user to be more portable.

Beyond said tasks, they're virtually useless in business. As soon as those Microsoft tablets are released with the right size/weight and consumer attention, the iPad's existence in the business world will become less so than it already is. Minimal integration in the network. Exchange set up is dire. No remote assistance. Fragmentation of platforms. Lack of provision of software installation/updates. No multi-user capabilities. Need to sync with PC. High price for minimal business features.

Tony has quite clearly never worked in the IT industry. He seems to believe that the consumer market is pushing the business market. Some businesses may be enticed by consumer-oriented devices, however most companies are trying to spend as little as possible, and get as much as possible out of their investments. Most of our clients are still running 5 year old PCs and seem content enough with them to not even consider an upgrade, let alone spend £400+ on each employee purchasing iPads for them.


Nice reassuring narrative for Microsoft fans but the reality seems to be oddly different.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/26/ipho...


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By themaster08 on 1/30/2011 7:21:02 AM , Rating: 2
A comparison of iOS vs. Android adoption in enterprise bears absolutely no relevance to anything I mentioned.


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By Tony Swash on 1/30/2011 8:36:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As soon as those Microsoft tablets are released with the right size/weight and consumer attention, the iPad's existence in the business world will become less so than it already is.


How long will it take in your opinion before we see these "Microsoft tablets" and why do you think it hasn't it happened already?

Personally I think the RIM Playbook is a bigger competitor to iPad in Enterprise than anything we have seen from the Microsoft OEMs.


By themaster08 on 1/30/2011 9:16:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How long will it take in your opinion before we see these "Microsoft tablets" and why do you think it hasn't it happened already?
Windows tablets are readily available, yet virtually unheard of. Whilst they have seamless enterprise integration properties, they're in essence just full-size laptops with swivel touchscreens. That makes them a not-so-good choice for lugging around the office simply just taking notes.

The iPad has opened this market further, but its business properties are very limited. This so-called new market will allow OEMs to gain traction in the business world with seamless enterprise integration at a price point that will entice businesses to consider them.

Netbook tablet hybrids such as the upcoming Samsung TX100 fill a gap that not even the iPad can. A fully fledged OS capable of full enterprise integration, with the size/weight and battery life necessary for comfortable portability, and price point to justify purchasing over devices such as the iPad.


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By Taft12 on 1/30/2011 8:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tony has quite clearly never worked in the IT industry. He seems to believe that the consumer market is pushing the business market.


It was the consumer maker pushing the business market that led to so many Microsoft shops in the first place. There was a time DEC and Sun boxes were the tools of business.


By SPOOFE on 1/30/2011 9:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It was the consumer maker pushing the business market that led to so many Microsoft shops in the first place

There's overlap, to be sure. People that work on Windows at the office all day will be more comfortable working on Windows at home. And dominance in the consumer space can give you the funds to push into or dominate the corporate space.

But it's not a given; what consumer products does IBM make these days, for instance?


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By Tony Swash on 1/30/2011 7:04:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What does lack of competition do? Raise prices. Why did previous generations of tablets fail to catch on in the common market? High prices. What is all this tablet competition going to do? Lower prices.


The previous generation of tablets failed because they were not good products. The hardware (often dictated by the Windows OS requirements) was bulky and clumsy. The Windows OS means a stylus, which is a product killer, poor battery life and poor user experience. And all previous tablets lacked the Apple ecosystem of dedicated apps, and easy and familiar iTunes media purchase.

Apple is very, very good at supply chain. Its Tim Cooke's special area of expertise. Apple has the scale and upfront cash to secure very reliable and very good component and manufacturing deals. Apple's margins are very high. What's noticeable is how hard competitors are finding beating Apple's tablet prices, look at the Tab, a smaller screen and no price advantage to speak of. Competitors are unlikely to beat Apple through lowering prices.

It's possible that Apple will follow the same strategy they do with the iPhone for the iPad. Annual hardware upgrades and last year's model offered as a very cheap entry model. If they do then when the iPad 2 is introduced sometime in the new few months Apple might continue to offer the current model but with a significant price cut.

quote:
I understand your point, but we've seen Microsoft enter a market with strongly entrenched and successful competitors, and from everything we've seen they've done it quite well. That's no guarantee they'll repeat their success, but it certainly shows that they can pull it off.


Except against Apple (the new Apple post Jobs return). Zune went no where. WP7 hasn't exactly caught fire and could well be a market dud. The tablet wars will wait for no one least of all Microsoft. The OEM's are already jumping ship, when they are gone getting them back from using a free established product (Android) will be extremely hard.


RE: The future of Microsoft and tablets
By SPOOFE on 1/30/2011 10:32:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The previous generation of tablets failed because they were not good products

And why? Because there was no competition.

quote:
Apple is very, very good at supply chain.

Apple is very, very good at fleshing out their closed ecosystem. They are not so good at integrating into other ecosystems.

quote:
What's noticeable is how hard competitors are finding beating Apple's tablet prices

Are they even trying? It's obvious that Apple is the 800 pound gorilla in the tablet space; it's hardly a unique business tactic to avoid a direct, head-to-head market clash.

quote:
Except against Apple (the new Apple post Jobs return). Zune went no where.

An excellent example of a product in which Microsoft's advantages don't come into play. The Xbox benefits greatly from Microsoft's excellent developer tools and documentation; such is hardly a major plus in a consumer media player.


By Tony Swash on 1/31/2011 7:09:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
The previous generation of tablets failed because they were not good products

And why? Because there was no competition.

quote:
Apple is very, very good at supply chain.

Apple is very, very good at fleshing out their closed ecosystem. They are not so good at integrating into other ecosystems.

quote:
What's noticeable is how hard competitors are finding beating Apple's tablet prices

Are they even trying? It's obvious that Apple is the 800 pound gorilla in the tablet space; it's hardly a unique business tactic to avoid a direct, head-to-head market clash.

quote:
Except against Apple (the new Apple post Jobs return). Zune went no where.

An excellent example of a product in which Microsoft's advantages don't come into play. The Xbox benefits greatly from Microsoft's excellent developer tools and documentation; such is hardly a major plus in a consumer media player.


No tablet running on current, or in the pipeline, Intel chips will succeed.

No tablet running a variant of Windows 7 will succeed.

Windows 7 is not a touch OS. It is apparently "touch enabled" but that just means it allows users to have a dreadful user experience whilst touching the screen instead of using a mouse.

Windows 7 tablets have no ecosystem of apps designed for touch.

Nothing Microsoft currently has on offer will make the slightest dent in the sales of iPad.

Microsoft is dependent on OEM's to bring Windows tablets to market. Most seem to be jumping ship and adopting Android because it is designed to run on ARM and shortly in it's next iteration it will be designed for tablets and it does have touch enabled apps. A new phenomena, Microsoft OEMs abandoning Microsoft for a new OS. Times are changing.

Android tablets, although a bigger competitor to iPad than any of the Windows based pitiable offerings, will not make a major dent in iPad sales. This is because the Android OS is inferior to iOS in terms of user experience, because the Apple ecosystem is vastly superior to the Android ecosystem (number and quality of apps, volume and ease of purchase of media content, number and range of physical accessories, quality and range of retail outlets, etc) and because of the power of the Apple brand.

We can argue about whether my statements above make sense or are justified until hell freezes over. Let's just see what happens in the next year.

The Xbox is a good example of what is wrong with Microsoft the business. Spend billions to make millions. Xbox's may sell in quantity but that does not make it a good business. Microsoft would have made more money if it had just kept the billions it spent on Xbox in a savings account.


What is he supposed to say?
By StraightCashHomey on 1/28/2011 11:07:38 AM , Rating: 2
"I am not confident that we will be successful in the tablet market. We just won't be very good. Buy our stuff, though."




RE: What is he supposed to say?
By StraightCashHomey on 1/28/2011 11:11:54 AM , Rating: 4
All kidding aside, I hope they do well in the tablet market. I work for a large school district, and we're predominately a Microsoft environment. This iPad craze is driving me nuts. It's a good product, but I'm afraid that we're going to get pushed into a corner to have to provide a lot of support and managability for them.

I want some quality, affordable Windows tablets so we can leverage AD to the fullest extent, and not have 10 different management platforms for all of the different iOS and Android devices that may be coming in the future.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By melgross on 1/28/11, Rating: 0
By StraightCashHomey on 1/28/2011 12:29:30 PM , Rating: 1
There aren't any YET.

iPads are easier to manage for who? For a home user or for an environment consisting of 2,000 devices with a mature Active Directory infrastructure?

There is already a lot of interest in the EDU side with iPads and tablets. Mobile devices are the wave of the future for education.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By Smilin on 1/28/2011 2:47:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
No such thing as a quality, affordable Windows tablet. If it's a quality tablet, it's going to be expensive, heavy, and have poor battery life. If it's inexpensive, then all bets are off.


They'll be along soon enough but even so ALL products trade off somewhere. With the iPad you have cost, compatibility, and a phone OS instead of OSX. IMHO the MacBook Air absolutely clowns the iPad across the board.

With a Windows Tablet like say the recent Asus you have decent cost, decent weight, a huge feature list, great OS, but you get crappy battery life, and a mid-range display.

quote:
IPads are much easier to manage. It's not likely Windows tablets will become popular in schools.


What?

Microsoft has an awesome management portfolio for all Windows products. I would even be willing to say it's the best in the industry. iPads may be cheap to the consumer but the TCO in a business or school is going to be awful.

I mean what management are you even talking about? Controlling updates, settings, and apps from a central IT location?

If I've got 100 iPads right here in front of me and I want to put the Google books version of "see spot run" on all of them what do I need to do? Whatever it is I can guarantee it ends with "now repeat 99 more times"

Sorry man but that second part of your post really cracked me up.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By StraightCashHomey on 1/28/2011 5:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
They are the best in the industry at enterprise computer management. Anyone that says Microsoft is dying off or becoming irrelevant has obviously never experienced the back end of a large Active Directory environment, and the only exposure to Microsoft these people have are smartphones and XBOX.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By Mitch101 on 1/29/2011 1:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
Im going to shoot for an IT director position next. My sales pitch will be to walk in the door and put my blackberry on the interviewers desk. Then proceed to tell them I care enough about your company to ensure the data you provide me access to off company grounds is encrypted and in a secure and proven device that can easily be destroyed if lost. You should immediately eliminate any other candidates who walked in with thier iPads trying to impress you and tell you how much of a pioneer they are in technology. There are no angry birds on my blackberry.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By Mitch101 on 1/28/2011 5:53:48 PM , Rating: 1
Your actually making fun of HP, Sony, ASUS, Dell etc because they make the hardware.

Anyone else getting tired of these anti Microsoft Trolls that pass judgement on Microsoft devices without ever trying one especially on devices that havent been released.

Seems if it doesnt come from the rainbow logo, highly pollutant, suicide worker group of Apple its bad. But if it comes from the Billionaire thats giving all his money away to help people around the world its crap.

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultof...

Gates is giving away his fortune with the same gusto he spent acquiring it, throwing billions of dollars at solving global health problems. He has also spoken out on major policy issues, for example, by opposing proposals to cut back the inheritance tax.

In contrast, Jobs does not appear on any charitable contribution lists of note. And Jobs has said nary a word on behalf of important social issues, reserving his talents of persuasion for selling Apple products.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By SPOOFE on 1/29/2011 11:06:22 PM , Rating: 2
Credit where credit is due.

Gates is awesome for being so philanthropic.

However, good will and charity don't make computers run better. We'll see how Microsoft does in the tablet segment, but if they put out garbage then I won't buy it just because Gates runs a massive charity foundation.


RE: What is he supposed to say?
By Supa on 1/28/2011 1:04:41 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Microsoft is confident because they think Kinect is outselling the ipad .

Next to celebrate: MS mouse is out selling the Macbooks.

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RE: What is he supposed to say?
By Mitch101 on 1/29/2011 12:35:20 AM , Rating: 2
Think?

Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010 or 1.25 million per month.

Kinect 2.5 million units in less than a month and 8 Million since its release about 4 months ago. 2.00 million per month?

Technically Im not sure why you compared the two they dont seem to be competing markets.

Good luck competing with Gingerbread, playbook, and Mobile 7 in the next year.

The iPad (The best way to experience 20% of the web)
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poste...


Fire Ballmer
By vision33r on 1/28/2011 2:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft will be caught flat just like Windows Mobile.

Forget the tablet devices, they haven't even got a single software standard for tablet devices.

Try using Office 2010 with your finger or stylus and come back and tell me if that was a great experience.

They better start building touch interfaces for all their apps.

Internet Explorer will all need touch and gesture support.

Ballmer is all talk and he hasn't delivered one killer product under his rule.




RE: Fire Ballmer
By Da W on 1/28/2011 3:10:52 PM , Rating: 2
For that matter rewrite most web pages for touch too!


RE: Fire Ballmer
By Mitch101 on 1/29/2011 12:40:55 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft could just relaunch Windows 3.1 icon based OS with touch but that would be copying the iPod/iPhone/iPad. Microsoft wants to innovate not revisit the past. :)


RE: Fire Ballmer
By Smilin on 1/31/2011 10:43:07 AM , Rating: 2
Actually OneNote works awesome with a touch interface. WTF you talking about, Willis?

quote:

Ballmer is all talk and he hasn't delivered one killer product under his rule.

Not one eh?
Ignoring Kinect and 100 products it really only takes one to destroy your claim doesn't it?

Sharepoint will do. It is the fastest growing product in the companies entire history. Thanks for playing.


Breaking: Sky is blue
By Taft12 on 1/28/2011 10:41:33 AM , Rating: 2
"Microsoft Exec Not Confident in Company's Tablet Future" would have been a more interesting read.




Windows 8
By inighthawki on 1/28/2011 12:19:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'm really hoping with the release of Windows 8 and the push for ARM support that we will see very high-performance and optimized versions of windows. I'm quite happy with Windows 7 as a desktop OS, but it cannot be denied that there is room for improvement on the portable/netbook sector with performance on low-end chips and especially battery life.




By jah1subs on 1/28/2011 2:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
All:

Well, here's one piece of the touch puzzle solved for Microsoft. I have a lot of confidence in their ability to write at least "good enough" software for a touch interface. I suspect that OneNote for iOS, which was mentioned in another news story in the past week will be a public demonstration for Microsoft to learn how to write a competitive applictiona with a touch interface.

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SiS 10-finger multi-touch solution wins Windows 7 certification

from DIGITIMES [Thursday 27 January 2011]

Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) has announced its 10-finger multi-touch IC solution – SiS9200 series – has been validated by Microsoft Windows 7 certification. The SiS9200 series offers high touch sensitivity and multi-gesture recognition support, SiS said.

The SiS9200 series projected capacitive multi-touch controller is a highly-integrated single chip design and supports 2- to 17-inch panel sizes, said SiS, noting that the SiS9200 series is in mass production and over 50 design-in cases are under verification, and end-application products are expected to debut in market in the first quarter.

The SiS9200 series touch controller integrates a 32-bit microcontroller (MCU), 12-bit analog-to-digital converter (ADC) and clock controller (Timer), and has a variety of input and output interfaces, including USB, SPI, I2C, UART and GPIO, to provide system developers more flexibility to design high value-added products, SiS indicated.

Touch-panel maker Cando has also begun delivering projected 10-finger multi-touch panels to other clients in addition to Apple, the sources noted.




Here we go again..
By TEAMSWITCHER on 1/29/2011 8:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
Denial, that was the initial response to the iPhone. Now Microsoft is realizing that you can get to the market too late. Apple and Google already own the smart phone, and Windows Phone 7 is too specific to be used in tablets. When they finally do have a tablet that is capable of competing with the iPad, Apple and Google will be on version 3 and 2 respectively, and like Windows Phone 7, Microsoft will have another "also ran" product on the market. Ouch!




I'll be pleasantly surprised
By Shadowself on 1/28/2011 12:52:30 PM , Rating: 1
IF
quote:
But Windows 8 may not arrive until 2012 -- or later.


2012?? I'll be happy if it shows up sometime in 2013 -- and isn't a complete dud.




The clock is ticking
By Tony Swash on 1/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: The clock is ticking
By Smilin on 1/28/2011 2:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
My God Tony. Your view of reality is so distorted that you
straddle a line between a Kool-Aid drunken fanboy and outright insanity.

You don't see it though do you? You're reading these words probably thinking I'm surely in the wrong while all your defense mechanisms grind away at reality until it somehow becomes true.


RE: The clock is ticking
By Tony Swash on 1/28/2011 4:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My God Tony. Your view of reality is so distorted that you
straddle a line between a Kool-Aid drunken fanboy and outright insanity.

You don't see it though do you? You're reading these words probably thinking I'm surely in the wrong while all your defense mechanisms grind away at reality until it somehow becomes true.


You could give a clue, perhaps even a reasoned argument, as to what is wrong with my analysis. Then perhaps we could have a proper discussion. I know you don't like what I say but I have no idea why ;)


RE: The clock is ticking
By themaster08 on 1/29/2011 3:18:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know you don't like what I say but I have no idea why ;)
Perhaps because your bias eliminates any credibility that any of your posts may hold.


RE: The clock is ticking
By SPOOFE on 1/29/2011 11:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You could give a clue, perhaps even a reasoned argument, as to what is wrong with my analysis.

I'll help you out. For starters, your analysis is very consumer-centric, when the real money (and key to success) for Microsoft is large institutions and providing support for said institutions. Now, I'm not saying that I'm some IT genius or nothin', but the issues raised above about managing a system are not negligible; for an individual consumer, it's inconsequential, but for a corporation that has to make sure hundreds, if not many thousands, of devices are all up-to-date and running all necessary software, excellent support and documentation may be worth far more than snazzy design or even raw performance.


RE: The clock is ticking
By Smilin on 1/31/2011 10:32:46 AM , Rating: 2
Tony you're a bright guy obviously but I have watched for months as you are presented with clear and reasonable arguments yet dismiss them. I'll not waste effort especially on a topic that means little to me.

You are unable to see when Apple has faults turn a blind eye to nearly every Microsoft achievement. Attempts to make you see this about yourself would be futile. I mean you no ill will so let me at least throw something out there.

People who take an extreme position on things be it their favorite tech company, politics, religion, etc are in the wrong. They may get an objective fact or two correct but once the analysis of it begins the subjectivity allows the corrupted logic to begin. I'm thinking you'll hesitantly agree with this part...please remember it after the next..

The hard part though is understanding when you are one of these people...because they don't know it. Here is one way to tell. Picture you're in a large pitch black warehouse with many other people. How do you tell when you are standing in the center? Fact is you can't. You can hear an equal number of voices from every direction but that may be due to an unequal distribution. Here is one thing you can tell though..when you are in the extreme. If ALL the voices are to one side then regardless of distribution you can be certain you are near a wall.

So tell me Tony, who here has a more Pro-Apple view than you? That direction is silent of voices.


RE: The clock is ticking
By Tony Swash on 1/31/2011 1:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The hard part though is understanding when you are one of these people...because they don't know it. Here is one way to tell. Picture you're in a large pitch black warehouse with many other people. How do you tell when you are standing in the center? Fact is you can't. You can hear an equal number of voices from every direction but that may be due to an unequal distribution. Here is one thing you can tell though..when you are in the extreme. If ALL the voices are to one side then regardless of distribution you can be certain you are near a wall.

So tell me Tony, who here has a more Pro-Apple view than you? That direction is silent of voices.


Only in this neck of the woods.

The reason I started posting around here was to counter the absurd anti-Apple hyperbole that seemed to have become the norm on this forum. There are many, many other forums that are much more balanced and many that tilt towards Apple (just as there some that tilt towards Microsoft or Google or Open Source).

Sometimes in my comments I am driven to sarcasm, moments I must admit I enjoy but which I often regret a bit, usually when I am provoked by some stupendously stupid comment.

Generally I just try to put forward reasonably well argued positions, positions that may be partisan but isn't that the reason one indulges in debate, to encounter countervailing ideas?


RE: The clock is ticking
By Smilin on 2/1/2011 10:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only in this neck of the woods.
I'm sure there are Apple forums and other such fat camps that can make any kid look skinny.
quote:
The reason I started posting around here was to counter the absurd anti-Apple hyperbole that seemed to have become the norm on this forum.
Why?

Don't assume because someone goes on an anti-Apple rant that we don't see through it just like you do. If you fight a retard by being one yourself then everyone just dismisses two people instead of one.

Said my thing. Thx.


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