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Last week, Mercedes' U.S. head was kicking dirt in Tesla's eyes; today it's announcing the B-Class Electric Drive using Tesla's powertrain

Although Tesla Motors has garnered the lion’s share of the attention directed at all-electric vehicles with its gorgeous Model S sedan, some well-known names in the automotive industry are also looking to grab a piece of the action. Just last week, Mercedes-Benz U.S. head Steve Cannon came out with guns blasting against Tesla, quipping, “How long do you think we’re going to wait and let Tesla be out there alone [selling premium electric cars]?”
 
Today, Mercedes-Benz announced that it would make it 2014 B-Class Electric Drive available to U.S. customers starting this summer. The vehicle is all-electric and comes equipped with a 177hp (252 lb-ft) electric motor which is fed by a lithium-ion battery pack (Mercedes-Benz has not divulged the capacity of the battery pack).
 
What’s most ironic is that for all the trash talk that Cannon aimed at Tesla last week, it was actually Tesla that helped develop the powertrain and battery pack that powers the B-Class Electric Drive. In fact, the press release states:
 
The battery for the predecessor model of the smart fortwo electric drive, for instance, came from Tesla. For the B-Class Electric Drive, Mercedes-Benz is once again leveraging the extensive know-how available from the electric car pioneer and is using the Tesla drive system in its own vehicle.
 
The B-Class Electric Drive has a top speed of 100 mph and has an all-electric driving range of 85 miles (EPA rated). The vehicle is also capable of sprinting to 60 mph in 7.9 seconds. In addition, the B-Class Electric can be replenished to a 60-mile driving range in just 2 hours using a 240V outlet.

 
When it comes to usability, the 5-seat B-Class Electric Drive offers a respectable 17.7 cu ft of storage space behind the rear seats. With the rear seats folded, that specs swells to 51.4 cu ft.

 
When the B-Class Electric Drive launches in a few months, it will butt heads with the BMW i3. The former will be priced from $41,450, while the latter will have a starting MSRP of $41,350.

Sources: Mercedes-Benz [1], [2]



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Irony Aside
By dice1111 on 4/28/2014 5:01:06 PM , Rating: 1
At least this looks respectable... That i3 = puke.




RE: Irony Aside
By thesaxophonist on 4/28/2014 7:25:37 PM , Rating: 3
Respectable? It looks like a minivan. Not even sure which is worse, this or i3...


RE: Irony Aside
By MrBlastman on 4/29/2014 1:06:43 PM , Rating: 5
It looks like a pretentious abortion. A car that wanted to be hot, shining under the spotlight but instead can only manage to compete with the glamour of econoboxes only half its price.


RE: Irony Aside
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 1:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
Minivan, crossover, unibody SUV, they are all kind of turning into the same thing. It looks pretty decent to me for a super practical car.


RE: Irony Aside
By Zak on 4/29/2014 3:51:03 PM , Rating: 2
It looks like it was just rear-ended by a truck.


RE: Irony Aside
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 5:04:17 PM , Rating: 3
Unfortunately if you want a car to look sleek you end up with no cargo room.


RE: Irony Aside
By tng on 4/29/2014 6:57:23 PM , Rating: 1
Right, but what is wrong with that really?

Where is it written that almost all electrics look like crap?


electric vehicles
By Richard875yh5 on 4/29/2014 9:00:13 AM , Rating: 3
What's a big deal for me is range anxiety. When I drive I don't want to worry where I have to refuel only after 80 miles if your lucky. Noway do I want such a car! The Chevy Volt has the right idea.




RE: electric vehicles
By chmilz on 4/29/2014 2:22:52 PM , Rating: 3
So get a hybrid and let other people buy this. No need to tell us why. I don't need a sub-compact, or a truck, or a topless Jeep, but you don't see me cruising articles about those vehicles to tell people why not.

It's just a car, and one of many. Of course you'll have your preference.


RE: electric vehicles
By Souka on 4/29/2014 3:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
don't forget that "Refueling" will take 2 hours for a 70% charge.

Refuling my Prius takes 3-5 minutes for a 600mile "charge" :) (12gallon x 50mpg)

But as above... each car has it's pluses/negatives and each buyer needs to find their own

Peace!


By Insider_1 on 4/29/2014 5:44:34 AM , Rating: 3
...was equipped with Tesla's battery pack technology, too, however not the current 3rd generation.
(http://insideevs.com/daimler-looks-to-expand-upon-...
Regarding its 4.3% stake in Tesla, Daimler, however, sees room for an expanded cooperation, so maybe we will see other Mercedeses and Smarts being equipped with Tesla technology.




By RobertFahey on 4/29/2014 6:22:11 AM , Rating: 2
Here's a good read. I'm biased toward this blog because it's mine, of course.

http://teslamondo.com/2014/04/27/dr-zs-lack-of-fai...




Wow
By puter_geek_00 on 4/29/2014 10:30:20 AM , Rating: 2
Wasn't it just last week that Mercedes US head was bashing Tesla? He should have said, 'Tesla, you can't keep up with us, because we are going to be using your parts for all the parts that count.'




Perfect for SF Bay Area
By Ananke on 4/29/2014 3:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
I am in San Francisco Bay Area. This car will sell in the tens of thousand first year here.
It is cheap enough to consider;
Majority of people live within 30-40 miles from work places. Many work places or stores have designated chargers;
Highest growing car segment in the last decade is compact SUVs - because are very practical for families. They tend to replace the Camry and Accord. Most sold models are, surprise, Honda CRV and Toyota Rav4, Mazda MX5, Hundai Tucson etc. - which loaded are $35-40k. This Mercedes is direct competitor of Toyota Highlander, which is around $40k.
If I am in the market for loaded compact SUV, based on financials alone, this Mercedes is a no brainer.




Range
By Marley on 4/30/2014 10:53:23 AM , Rating: 2
Mercedes is claiming that the B-Class gets 100 miles or more on a single charge www.mbusa.com/mercedes/future/model/model-B_Class_E lectric_Drive




electric vehicles
By Richard875yh5 on 5/1/2014 9:10:12 AM , Rating: 1
Who wants a car with thousands of laptop batteries wired together to form the battery pack. Nothing high tech about this.




Another crap EV
By okashira on 4/28/14, Rating: -1
RE: Another crap EV
By piroroadkill on 4/28/14, Rating: 0
RE: Another crap EV
By Shig on 4/28/2014 5:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with everything said. It has WAY more storage capacity than the Leaf, but it also costs 80% more and has the same range. That's just a fail.

I'm starting to wonder if they just want to make the Tesla Power-train look bad.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reclaimer77 on 4/28/2014 7:54:08 PM , Rating: 4
And people say I'm biased?

Yeah it's not like this technology is in it's infancy or anything. It's a global car manufacturer CONSPIRACY to make EV's "look bad"...

Just get real!


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/28/2014 11:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
Geez, for once we are on the same side on something. I'm shocked that the price is fairly reasonable considering the Mercedes badge. And unlike the Leaf, this is likely to have seats made for actual adult American males. Given the very small price premium over other EV's, this becomes a real consideration.

As for the conspiracy bullshit, I have no idea what to say there. Its a smaller battery so it has smaller range. Its sized and shaped like any other hatchback. Whats the conspiracy? If it were to have a 200 mile battery it would also have a price tag $20k higher, just like a Tesla.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 12:46:25 AM , Rating: 3
I'm shocked at the price tag too. And it still looks like a Merc inside and out unlike the i3 which looks like a cross between a stink bug and Mario Andretti.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/29/2014 2:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, comparing it to a Volt its only about $7k more, its priced the same as a BMW, and I prefer Mercedes to BMW if I'm going German. And like you said, it looks better inside and out even if hatchback styles aren't really my thing. I see this EV class as 'commuter cars' and this one is a lot nicer than the Leaf or Spark EV.

Really reasonable price for a daily driver, chances are it is likely cheaper to make payments on this than continue to drive my Jeep for my commute...


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 3:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Really reasonable price for a daily driver, chances are it is likely cheaper to make payments on this than continue to drive my Jeep for my commute...
If you through in cost of gas you might be able to swing this but then you might not see the savings of getting one in the first place.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/29/2014 4:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
Right now I can lease a Volt for $222/month. Electricity in my area and for my mileage calculates to about $20/month. I am paying $360/month in diesel for my Jeep.

Even though the Jeep is paid off, the Volt would be cheaper to drive as my work is within its EV range. This Mercedes is only $7k more than the Volt and a lot nicer with better range. Keep the Jeep for my trips and towing, but stop using it as a commuter vehicle in favor of this Mercedes and I am likely at the least breaking even after insurance, and coming out significantly ahead once the Mercedes is paid for.


RE: Another crap EV
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 5:08:57 PM , Rating: 2
So I can pay $222 a month for a volt or keep paying the maybe $100 a month for gas in my paid off Tacoma.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 12:11:12 AM , Rating: 3
Good for you? I mean sure, if my fuel costs per month were only $100 I'd be on the same page as you. But they are not, so your reply is off topic to my point. I spend about $360/month in diesel for my Jeep. So yeah, a vehicle that in total costs less than $360/month to operate is going to save me money. Fancy that.

I'm glad you are fortunate enough to only spend a hundred bucks a month in fuel. I don't know many people as fortunate as you. Based on a quick run through of the math, and assuming the absolute best fuel economy numbers for the latest and greatest version of the Tacoma, you are driving less than half the miles as a typical American. Great for you, but kind of irrelevant to most of us.


RE: Another crap EV
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 5:03:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
this is likely to have seats made for actual adult American males


5'-9" and 300 pounds?


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 2:26:49 PM , Rating: 3
Average American male is 5'10" and 191lbs. For me its the shoulder area, only Mazda is the only Asian car brand that makes seats that accommodate broader shouldered guys. I feel like I'm falling out of my seat every time I drive or ride in a Toyota or Honda.

Never felt that way in a VW, Mercedes or any American brand.


RE: Another crap EV
By atechfan on 4/29/2014 8:36:05 AM , Rating: 3
Well, we had this same sort of talk for 20 years since GM killed off the EV1. It was the oil companies who killed it, or the Illuminati, or somebody. It couldn't have possibly been because 20 years ago we didn't have the battery tech to pull off an EV that people would actually buy.


RE: Another crap EV
By 1prophet on 4/29/2014 12:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
And if they kept at it they would be past Tesla now, Wagoner was told to kill the EV-1 and he says that was his biggest mistake as CEO of General Motors.

The inability to deal with Disruptive innovation and the short term profit mentality is what is holding these companies back with their potential billions of r&d dollars.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reclaimer77 on 4/29/2014 12:36:47 PM , Rating: 3
So after losing billions for years on end, they would be ahead of Tesla, in an industry that's barely worth a few billion?

The EV-1 was a joke and GM was right to kill it. It was one of the FEW good decisions they made actually. Throwing good money after bad is why GM got in trouble in the first place.

Ahead of Tesla....lawl! Compare Tesla's profits to GM's. They ARE ahead!


RE: Another crap EV
By Mint on 4/29/2014 10:18:09 AM , Rating: 2
The way he said it is obviously false.

But there's no denying that major automakers are half-assing it when it comes to EVs. For the longest time, EV development wasn't even funded by the R&D divisions, but rather marketing/PR.

Here, Mercedes didn't include DC fast charging, and they were part of the group that endorsed the SLAM program in Germany (400 DC quick chargers). An i3 and Spark EV can charge 80% in 20 minutes. This B-class will take 1.5 hours to do the same.

You see this in ALL industries. When there's a new way of doing things that makes existing company assets (production equipment, IP, etc) useless, they want consumers to stick with the old way as long as possible.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reclaimer77 on 4/29/2014 11:32:58 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
But there's no denying that major automakers are half-assing it when it comes to EVs.


That is complete BS.

However they ARE basically being forced to adopt technologies that nobody wants, that AREN'T selling in high volumes, because of politics and regulations.

But just because they cannot deliver Model S figures for half the price, doesn't mean they are "half assing" anything.

You're just being a biased shill, as always. If you want change overnight, you've come to the wrong place.


RE: Another crap EV
By Mint on 4/29/2014 8:15:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That is complete BS.

How about you address the facts I brought up?

Why didn't Daimler put DC fast charging ability in this car? The technology has been around for years now, and available on EVs costing $10-15k less.

Do you not agree that charge time is a serious concern for EVs?

M-B half-assed it, plain and simple, even ignoring Tesla and just looking at BMW, Nissan, Mitsubishi, GM, etc.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 2:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
Mercedes is a premium brand. Expecting every single advanced technology plus the Mercedes badge is unrealistic. My guess is that its a very smooth ride with a great interior and service that is more expensive than it should be. Like most Mercedes.


RE: Another crap EV
By EricMartello on 5/4/14, Rating: 0
RE: Another crap EV
By h82bl82d8 on 5/10/2014 4:18:56 AM , Rating: 3
Mercedes B class EV has a 28kWh battery. Mercedes B180 does about 27.6 (US)MPG, Mercedes B220 does 24.3 (US)MPG. Use those figures instead of the ones you made up and you will see that the EV does better than the petrol car. EV becomes 0.978 kWh/mile. Petrol car becomes 1.34 kWh/mile.

Have a nice day.


RE: Another crap EV
By dsx724 on 4/28/2014 5:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
My wife has a X1 which is perfect for road trips, long distance driving, and hulling people/things around.

This would be perfect if it was two seater performance oriented vehicle. This would be the perfect DD for the boring 10 miles to work everyday.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 12:47:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
My wife has a X1 which is perfect for road trips, long distance driving, and hulling people/things around.
My wife has one too and it's awesome. I even like it.


RE: Another crap EV
By Mathos on 4/29/2014 12:58:07 AM , Rating: 2
For a daily carpool commuter, it would be perfectly fine. Same for a family grocery getter vehicle. That's if you don't live in bfe far away from work, etc. Anything else, and that 85mile range is pretty useless.


RE: Another crap EV
By fteoath64 on 4/29/2014 3:57:08 AM , Rating: 2
It would be nice to have a "portable enough" supplementary battery like twice the thickness of traditional laptops that can be charged in the office and plugged in the trunk to compliment the range in case one will have to drop people off or diddle for additional hours in traffic jams. Most of the trunk space are empty in most cars anyway in daily usage, so space is not an issue while weight and cost would be.


RE: Another crap EV
By SublimeSimplicity on 4/29/2014 9:08:56 AM , Rating: 2
With current battery tech, that suitcase (size of 15" laptop, but 2" thick) would weigh about 20lbs and get you less than 10 miles of additional range.


RE: Another crap EV
By lagomorpha on 4/29/2014 9:56:03 AM , Rating: 2
Eh 10 miles is 10 miles.

The real question is how much would such a battery cost and how long would it run my phone?


RE: Another crap EV
By SublimeSimplicity on 4/29/2014 10:08:28 AM , Rating: 2
It would be 2.5kWh. There's too much speculation about what battery cost to manufacturers. Consumer cost would be around $2000 for the cells alone. Tesla's cost could be as little as $400.

As for running your cellphone. If 2000mah gets you through the day, you'd get about a year of capacity with this battery.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 3:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
That 10 miles would work for me in the summer. Guess I'll look at a used one of these in about 10 years.


RE: Another crap EV
By atechfan on 4/29/2014 8:41:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it would make a better daily driver than the Leaf, I think. More room, looks not half bad. For city driving, the range isn't an issue. I'd still go for a plug-in hybrid like the Volt though if I was forced to pick an electric. Or, even better for my needs, a real truck or SUV turned hybrid, like http://www.viamotors.com/


RE: Another crap EV
By CharonPDX on 4/29/2014 4:09:41 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, but you are, by far, an outlier. Just as not everyone needs a full-size cargo van for daily use, but some do.

And "who only needs a car that goes 85 miles needs a decent car anyway?" Anyone that wants a decent car! My commute to work is 11 miles each way. 85 miles range is plenty for me, especially since I have charging available at work. Yet does that mean I want to commute in a crap car?

A trip to the coast, or to the mountain to ski, are both under 75 miles. And yes, there are EV charging stations on the mountain: http://www.fs.fed.us/news/2014/stories/04/charging...

So you're saying that having a vehicle as a "primary driver" that can do 97% of your driving is a "waste of time" because it can't do that once-a-month drive? If you're in the market for a car of this quality, in this general price range, it would be cheaper to buy the EV for the daily drives, and rent a gas car once a month when you need the distance.

I'm sorry, but the "I need to drive >70/85/120/185/265/etc miles once in a while, so therefore a car that can't do that is worthless" is a tired lame argument. I drive >1000 miles in one go every once in a while - therefore *NO* car is good for me, obviously. (Oh, except I can fill up the tank with fuel, or stop to charge, in between.)

Yes, 85 miles is a bit low to be an "everything" car. But for the vast majority of all drives by nearly all drivers, it is plenty to last at least a couple days.


RE: Another crap EV
By Paj on 4/29/2014 8:38:51 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. I can see cars like this being quite succesful in urban environments.

I currently live in London, and as a quick check,I calculated the distance from my old workplace on the outskirts of London to my home. Assuming an 80 mile range, I could make that journey 4 times over.

A also assume that the powertrain is more efficient in heavy traffic, in that it has no engine to keep running when the car is stationery.


RE: Another crap EV
By Mint on 4/29/2014 10:23:50 AM , Rating: 2
Here's the thing: 72% of households with a car have more than one:
http://cta.ornl.gov/data/tedb32/Edition32_Chapter0...

There's a pretty big market for families to make one car an EV for work, groceries, shopping, etc with the other used for longer distance.


RE: Another crap EV
By Griffinhart on 4/29/2014 11:02:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sorry, but the "I need to drive >70/85/120/185/265/etc miles once in a while, so therefore a car that can't do that is worthless" is a tired lame argument. I drive >1000 miles in one go every once in a while - therefore *NO* car is good for me, obviously. (Oh, except I can fill up the tank with fuel, or stop to charge, in between.)

There is a pretty big difference between me Stopping my Ford Focus every 350 miles (5 hours drive time at 65MPH) for 5 minutes at a gas station and Stopping an EV every hour for 2 hours for a partial charge. Assuming Charging stations were as ubiquitous as gas stations.


RE: Another crap EV
By Griffinhart on 4/29/2014 11:13:01 AM , Rating: 2
Even if the car got the actual EPA range of 85 miles (they never do) It wouldn't be a practical car for me. Those nights where I head to Boston to hang with friends after work would put me well beyond that 85 miles.

Heading to the beach in the summer and then a short drive up the coast for dinner would be impossible.

Driving to CT (95 miles away from me) several times a year for BBQ's with friends would require a rental car to even get there.

Unless I had a second car specifically for non commuting use, It just wouldn't be a practical car. Plain and simple. The range just isn't adequate. I'm not opposed to EV's, but I see no reason to choose one that simply can't meet my needs.


RE: Another crap EV
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/29/2014 11:16:47 AM , Rating: 2
If it's your only car, then yeah, it might not work. If you are a two-car household, I could see it working.

My wife has a less than 10-mile roundtrip to work everyday and rarely drives further than about 40 or 50 miles roundtrip when running errands during the week.

When we go on long trips out of town, we take my car anyway. So if the price is right, an EV could work for us.

YMMV.


RE: Another crap EV
By Griffinhart on 4/29/2014 11:35:31 AM , Rating: 2
I treat the idea of an electric car the same way I would a laptop or Cell phone. I may not often use a full charge, but I never want to be caught in a situation where I find myself unable to use them.

With a vehicle, it's a bit more critical. Transportation is too vital, but unlike a laptop or Cell Phone, I can't use it tethered to an electrical outlet in an emergency. There needs to be a significant "reserve" for those unexpected things.

With my 20 mile commute, Those occasional days where I get home from work and have to run back to the office for an emergency would be very problematic.

The biggest problem EV's have is the loss of flexibility high range cars have. For a lot folks like myself, it places the car in a too specific roll (commute only) when we need something more viable in most situations.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 3:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For a lot folks like myself, it places the car in a too specific roll (commute only) when we need something more viable in most situations.
This is my issue as well. Specific role for something that is pretty expensive. Even my sports car can go grocery shopping or make a run to AZ in a moments notice.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/29/2014 4:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
The average household in the US contains more than two cars(I seem to remember it containing more than three cars actually last I looked). You do not need them all capable of doing everything. If you did, trucks would not be the incredible sellers that they are given how inconvenient they are in urban environments where most people live.

One vehicle with range is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of people.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/29/2014 7:17:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do not need them all capable of doing everything.
I don't? What do I need exactly?


RE: Another crap EV
By Reclaimer77 on 4/29/2014 7:42:39 PM , Rating: 2
These guys live on a different planet man. They really do.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/30/2014 6:33:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
These guys live on a different planet man. They really do.
Tell me about it.


RE: Another crap EV
By Mint on 4/29/2014 8:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One vehicle with range is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of people.
Even I wouldn't say that. But 10% of people? Sure. Pure EVs have a while before reaching that point.

But for everyone else, a range extender (like the i3) or a PHEV makes sense.


RE: Another crap EV
By Griffinhart on 4/30/2014 11:31:12 AM , Rating: 2
How many cars a "household" has may be irrelevant. A household can consist of a single parent with a car, and a teenage child with their own car. Multiple cars in a household isn't the same as households that pool the use of those cars.

I can think of several scenarios that are not conducive to pooling cars so one can be an EV with relatively short range.

How many people would be willing to swap their Mercedes EV (or any new EV) with their kid'ss 1999 Honda Civic for a few days because they need greater range temporarily.

That's not to day that there aren't a lot of families that can get by with one EV, but I'd be willing to bet it's not the average household.


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 2:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't buy that most people who have multiple cars need all of those cars to have a range of greater than 80 miles. Why would you want your teenager to have a range of 200 miles on a tank? Why do they need greater than 80 miles *typically*? If the husband and wife are both working, why would both of them need a car that has longer than an 80 mile range unless they are part of the small percentage of the nation that lives in a rural area? Given how cheap EV's are to operate compared to ICE vehicles, often the operating cost even of a EV on a lease is cheaper than a paid off ICE vehicle, you can conceivably own *both* for each member of the family and still save money aside from the purchase price.

Yes, people can invent scenarios where it does not make sense all day. Still that is an invention, for the vast majority having a single utility vehicle or long range trip vehicle plus an EV makes more sense than having multiple vehicles that are all capable of long range.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/30/2014 6:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
You haven't answered my question. I'll say it once more, what exactly do I need?


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 8:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you ask? Since obviously I'm speaking of the majority of the car buying public and not you specifically, unless you can make a case for why you represent the majority of households why would your question be relevant?

As I've said to others, your personal situation is just an anecdote. Irrelevant. If having multiple long range vehicles makes sense for your personal situation, hey there is a market solution for that. But that is not the norm. So discussion of outlier cases is irrelevant to my point that for most people having multiple such vehicles is redundant in the same way that having multiple half ton pickups without a people hauler is redundant for a family of six.


RE: Another crap EV
By Nutzo on 4/29/2014 11:19:23 AM , Rating: 2
And what happens when your kid or wife borrows the car the night before, and forgets to plug it in?
Guess you'll be an hour or 2 late while you wait for it to charge enough to get you to/from work. With an ICE or Hybrid, you just need to make a 2 minute stop for gas.

As for savings, it depends on what you pay for electricity and how much you drive. Electric rates are high here in Southern California, and the cost per mile for an electric car is about 1/2 the cost per mile for a hybrid at $4.00/gallon gas.

With my short commute I don't put very many miles on my car, so switching from a Hybrid (with $4.00/gallon gas) to an all electric car would only save me around $250 per year. With the extra $12,000 this car cost over my Hybrid, it would take 48 years just to break even. Not a good solution if you are trying to save money.


RE: Another crap EV
By Mint on 4/30/2014 6:02:34 AM , Rating: 2
What Mercedes hybrid can you buy for $12,000 less than this car?

Oh, that's right, you're comparing oranges to pineapples.

SoCal has EV rates with a second meter, so that point is meaningless, and it seems like you do less than half the driving of a typical American. EVs are also generally smartphone connected (including this MB), so you'll be warned about plugging in the night before. But yeah, there should have been quick charging included (i.e. 80% in under 30 minutes, as found in the i3 and Leaf, among others).


RE: Another crap EV
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 5:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, people need to move to the idea of flying more for longer distances. That is if you can tolerate getting molested by the TSA.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/30/2014 6:25:37 PM , Rating: 2
You can move to that idea Jeff, I'll continue to DRIVE where I need to go and fly when I don't want to drive. My choice until I'm shot dead in front of my family in my front yard cause that's what it will take for me to stop making my own decisions on how I run MY life (well that and a natural death of course).


RE: Another crap EV
By Reflex on 4/30/2014 8:27:44 PM , Rating: 2
The world ain't about you. His statement can be true and you can still choose to waste your time and money as you see fit. And nobody gives a damn.


RE: Another crap EV
By Jeffk464 on 4/29/2014 1:32:21 PM , Rating: 2
Two car families, you can have the commuter car and the family car. Use whichever one is more appropriate for whichever trip.


RE: Another crap EV
By Spuke on 4/30/2014 6:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Two car families, you can have the commuter car and the family car. Use whichever one is more appropriate for whichever trip.
Give me your money and I'll make this happen today. And I want a Tesla S P85 with the 21" turbine wheels.


RE: Another crap EV
By flyingpants1 on 4/30/2014 8:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
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Experian Automotive found single- and two-vehicle households are almost neck and neck, at nearly 34 percent and 31 percent, respectively.


Yet another argument lost. My, my.


RE: Another crap EV
By bug77 on 4/28/2014 6:01:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, there's no chance that's all current batteries can handle. It must be a conspiracy.
But yes, the B class is garbage. I rode one once and it was one of the most uncomfortable rides I ever took.


RE: Another crap EV
By flyingpants1 on 4/30/2014 8:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Yeah, there's no chance that's all current batteries can handle.


Are you retarded? They're using a Tesla powertrain, so how can that be "all current batteries can handle"?

38kWh would have made this car worth it.


RE: Another crap EV
By Nutzo on 4/28/2014 6:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's because they all use the same battery technology.

Unless you want to give up alot more trunk/storage space, or design the car around a larger pack (like Tesla), you end up with around 80 miles. The battey pack they are using is about the same size as a gas tank, so it can be fit into an exiting design.

Of course they could double the battery pack, but then you wouldn't have much space in the back, they would have to beef up the suspension to handle the extra weight, and they would need to add an additional $10K to the price.


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