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LG shows off new high-end smartphone

LG Electronics has unveiled a new flagship smartphone called the G2. The design of the G2 places all of the buttons on the rear of the device -- the Rear Key concept springs from LG designers recognizing that the larger phones became, the more difficult it was to access side keys. LG moved the main buttons to the back of the phone and located them where the user's index finger naturally rests.

The LG G2 features a 5.2-inch full HD resolution display. The phone also features a very thin bezel on the side that's only 2.65 mm thick. The phone comes equipped with a blazing Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 quad-core processor operating at 2.26 GHz. Feeding that hungry beast is a 3000 mAh internal battery promising more than a full days use per charge.

 
The G2 also has a 13-megapixel camera on the rear featuring optical image stabilization technology. The G2 is also the first smartphone on the market to utilize 24 bit/192kHz Hi-Fi playback of also to of audio content offering sound superior to CD-quality.

The G2 can be had in 16GB or 32GB storage capacities, and runs the Android 4.2.2 operating system. Unfortunately, the G2 doesn’t include a microSD slot, so you’re out of luck if you want to expand storage beyond what’s available from the factory.
 
The LG G2 will roll out over the next eight weeks over 130 wireless carriers in South Korea, North America, Europe, and other world markets.

Source: LG



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LG G2
By zefy01 on 8/8/2013 11:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
I think the phone is refreshing and it great to see that someone is looking outside of the box. It's nice to see that the phone now has a 13-megapixel camera, and awesome sound. It's nice the has a bigger screen, but the 4.7 would work just fine. The microSD slot is not that important to me, I use the AirStash and I can store tons of music, movies and other stuff on it.

http://www.airstash.com/




RE: LG G2
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/8/2013 2:46:58 PM , Rating: 2
Can you use airstash if you are not connected to wifi or your data plan?

Also remember that using LTE or wifi will gobble up that battery in no time. If you can't swap in a replacement you will find yourself needing a recharge power after a couple movies -- not to mention the hit you are gonna take in wallet using that much data plan bandwith.


RE: LG G2
By flyingpants1 on 8/8/2013 2:54:57 PM , Rating: 3
Not seeing anything outside the box about this phone except he buttons. Otherwise it's another me-too device.

HTC One has front speakers.
Sony Xperia Z is waterproof.
Motorola Droid Ultra Maxx has a large battery.
Galaxy S4 has wireless charging.

LG G2 has.. Buttons on the back.

I'd like to see a phone with all these features. If I drop $700 on a phone, I shouldn't have to cup the back of it with my hand to hear the speaker. I shouldn't have to worry about it prematurely dying from water damage, or having to charge it multiple times a day. MicroUSB is too flimsy.

Manufacturers should start making more and more of these features standard on flagship models, starting with front speakers because it's the only thing that can't be included in a phone case.


RE: LG G2
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 3:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I shouldn't have to cup the back of it with my hand to hear the speaker.
Welcome to my phone and you still can't hear it.


RE: LG G2
By Reclaimer77 on 8/9/2013 8:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
Front speakers make the bezel gigantic though. It seems that thin bezels and edge to edge screens are what the consumer want today, right or wrong. Well except the iPhone wackos, who have a mega-sized bezel for no reason at all.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/9/2013 10:18:27 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. iPhoneys are a funny lot.

Why do you like the iPhone's size?
"Its small enough to easily use with one hand"

Then why are the Bezels so big? You can get a bigger screen with a very similar size phone.
"Its to accommodate the advanced tech inside"

Then why does all of its competitors have better tech, more features, and lower prices?
"We pay extra for premium"

What exactly is premium with so many missing features?
"It just works better and has better customer sat"

But, its actually rated lower than its competitors in all of the latest customer sat scores.
"Um... It's just better"

How?
"It just is and that is that"

Okeeedokee then.


RE: LG G2
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/9/2013 10:20:20 AM , Rating: 2
RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/9/2013 10:36:47 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Classic


RE: LG G2
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/9/2013 10:42:23 AM , Rating: 2
Yep :)


RE: LG G2
By karimtemple on 8/9/2013 12:32:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not 100% sure this is fair. A lot of iPhone benefits are intangibles that are often difficult to articulate. It's an extremely nice phone. The only real reason I switched to Android was Apple's refusal to make a big iPhone.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/9/2013 3:34:13 PM , Rating: 2
"I'm not 100% sure this is fair. A lot of iPhone benefits are intangibles that are often difficult to articulate"

Such as?


RE: LG G2
By karimtemple on 8/12/2013 9:49:24 AM , Rating: 3
Like I said lol, it's difficult to articulate. Let me try putting it this way:

Android's strength is choice. iOS's strength is usability. People who have actually used both and prefer one usually base their preference on those strengths. Even with Android having made significant strides in the last 15 - 20 months to answer to iOS's strengths, the Android vs iOS narrative to this day is still All The Options vs Smart Defaults.

For example, quick settings in the notification pull-down. Believe it or not, both Android and iOS will be credited as having added quick settings in 2013 (yes, Android first). There had been a link to the settings menu in the Android pull-down, though. But millions of people have had quick settings in their pull-downs on Android for a long time, through third-party software. That's the power of choice.

Alternatively, iOS tries to offer an experience where even straight out of the box you won't have much need for choice. Whenever one mentions how incredible the iOS keyboard is or how smooth the system looks and feels, the Android Defense is that there is always software and rooting and custom ROMs. This means nothing to the iOS User. They don't want to mess with their phone. They want it to "just work."

Apple's supposed "it just works" is a pretty funny joke, but there is some measure of truth to it. Android has a lot of settings, and once you spend some time with it you can get things going your way. But with iOS, provided your personality allows you to put up with the lack of choice, the settings are already smart. There's relatively little you need to change, if anything.

An example of iOS difficult-to-articulate "intangibles" is this Smart Defaults quality.

It doesn't matter that your Android manufacturer's stupid added-on software is ugly as sin and slows down your phone, because you can download launchers and themes and uninstall bloat. But iOS is already fast and not ugly.

You can install Dolphin Browser to get a smoother browsing experience (no, really, try it) and a feature that let's you shoot back up to the top of the page you're on. But iOS comes with that.

You can replace the Google keyboard with another keyboard that will actually give you a ".com" button when you're in an address bar (WTF, Google). But iOS already does that.

It's just a lot of these simple, small things that blur together into what feels like a better experience to iOS users. The product tries to anticipate their comfort and needs, and consequently it tends to "just work." This is all glued together (and amplified) by what is to this day the absolute most-responsive and fluid user interface to date possibly on any system ever, let alone mobile phones.

The Android Defense, historically, has been to offer the user a box full of parts and a panel with a bunch of switches on it. I was talking to someone last year and their Android Defense was "I play N64 on my phone with my Wiimote!" I couldn't respond without laughing. I like Android a lot, once it started getting its act together late 2011, and the Power of Choice was strong enough to get me off of iOS (via giant screen phones), but it can't rightfully be said that iOS isn't a great system and a better choice for a lot of people depending on their personalities and needs.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 9:59:29 AM , Rating: 2
That is a fair assessment. IOS has always been better for the "easy button, I dont want to think about it and I don't want to learn about it" crowd while Android caters to the more technically inclined and/or customizers.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/10/2013 4:25:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
iPhoneys


Credibility instantly lost.

quote:
Then why are the Bezels so big? You can get a bigger screen with a very similar size phone.


'Very similar' <> same. If you can point me to a SINGLE phone which has a larger screen than the iPhone 5, can match its performance and battery life but is smaller or the same volumetrically, you would have a point. But you can't, and that's even 11 months on . In fact, even 'very similar' Android equivalents (smaller size) all fall down on numerous levels, typically battery life, performance or camera.

quote:
Then why does all of its competitors have better tech, more features, and lower prices?


Oh you're one of the 50% of Android owners who tries to claim that their phones are cheaper? See, whenever some deluded Apple fan tells an Android fan that they 'can't afford an iPhone' the response is pretty much always 'they're the same price'. You fanboys really need to make your mind up.

If we accept they are cheaper though - lets simply cite the plastic construction (in the case of S4), poor build quality (HTC and S4 both fare worse in drop tests), the fact that it's easier and cheaper to build larger devices (for example I could build a desktop computer many times larger than a Macbook Air for less - it doesn't make it better value), or perhaps the fact that they don't offer immediate OS updates like the iPhone does. Also 'more features' is subjective - since the majority of 'features' which get added are simply bloat which doesn't work properly (control with gestures etc), and Android to this day lacks many of the features iOS has. 'Better tech' is also subjective - the iPhone 5, 11 months on, still leads many of the performance benchmarks on Anandtech despite being a smaller, lighter package. Not only is it faster, it's also more power efficient, managing to achieve longer battery life despite less room for a battery (meaning lower battery capacity). Arguably it's far more technologically advanced to achieve the same or better battery life in a smaller package.

quote:
But, its actually rated lower than its competitors in all of the latest customer sat scores.


No, actually - worldwide it still leads all the competition, meaning that your exact question and argument could be accurately directed at yourself. What you're probably doing is taking a single country in isolation to make an invalid point. And even in the US which I assume you are referring to - both sets of customers rated their phones very high.

quote:
Um... It's just better" How?


Well, for the combination of everything above. Firstly, lets point out you're comparing an 11 month old phone with a range of phones less than 4 months old. It's about to be replaced, which is probably why you're selecting this moment to compare. Secondly, lets talk about some specific features which you simply don't get an equivalent of on Android - most notably Airplay (I have a Nexus 4 with Miracast and if you think it's comparable, you haven't used both). Then there are all the apps (mostly games) which come out on iOS first, and generally it is my opinion that apps are still of a higher quality on iOS (although this is becoming less pronounced) - and also in-built features like iCloud, Game-Centre (saving your progress cross-device) and iMessage. Then there's the fact that on Android you simply can't get a phone as powerful and small as the iPhone, period. If you want to find performance close to the iPhone you have to buy larger and larger phones. Then there's the fact that every phone I've seen loses out to the iPhone in drop tests. Resale value is also excellent on iPhones, as is legacy device support and OS updates.

It surprises me that you don't see the irony in your own questions - given that they apply just as much to you - you're firstly grouping together a category of phones, instead of comparing single devices (which is a logical error), and then you're describing a newer, bulkier, not faster device which needs a larger battery to achieve the same battery life and fares worse in drop tests as not just technically better but better overall. Then you cite customer satisfaction (notice how this is the first time you've ever mentioned it precisely because Samsung phones took the lead in this in the US only - and note also that this is a great example of where you're taking Samsung phones specifically and attempting to imply that they apply to Android phones generally) - yet those customer satisfaction figures globally still prove that people are happier with their iPhones.

'Okeeedokee then' is just right. For you.


RE: LG G2
By Reclaimer77 on 8/10/2013 10:51:17 AM , Rating: 2
Bla bla bla!

Do you still believe anyone cares what you think anymore? Like we're really going to read that giant propaganda-filled post.


RE: LG G2
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/10/2013 11:02:59 AM , Rating: 2
RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/10/2013 2:06:13 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... Totally. All credibility with this clown was lost a long time ago. Pretty hilarious to read the stuff he rants about though. I really think that he actually thinks he is right LOL. Always the same thing. Misunderstand, then assume and insult based on the incorrect assumptions... Freegin nutjob.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/10/2013 2:09:38 PM , Rating: 2
Ill post this just to set him off further... [waits for the next hilarious anal-insane-aggro dissertation]

Looks like you are wrong again susshine.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/2013080...

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-note-2-c...


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/11/2013 10:05:57 AM , Rating: 2
Nobody can answer any of the logic. Desperate pictures don't help your case.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/11/2013 10:09:04 AM , Rating: 1
Oh and in case you actually believed either of those two links contradicted anything I had said at all - you should probably try reading what I wrote again. To save you what must obviously be a bit too challenging for you - I specifically stated that it was only in the US where Samsung had taken the lead satisfaction wise, and that worldwide Apple leads.

It's typically the case that any replies of any of yours have already been answered. Either that or it's just a string of you, cheeseW and Reclaimer effectively saying 'I don't like being wrong', 'me neither' in a series of self-insulting insults which address nothing which I've stated.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/11/2013 1:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
Bang! a triple post! Not quote the angry dissertation I had predicted, but still funny in its own way.

"Oh and in case you actually believed either of those two links contradicted anything I had said at all - you should probably try reading what I wrote again"

I didnt read it in the first place. I just skimmed a few points and lost interest. Like I said before. With every comment you misunderstand the comment and then assume and insult. Then you persist with your false conclusions and when people give up trying to talk to you, you claim victory saying your points are proven and cant be refuted. Wrong... You are just too hard headed and obnoxious to see it and arguing with a troll like you is pointless.

You are either one of a few things here.

1. A troll just trying to get a rise
2. A fanboy blindly defending.
3. A complete nutbar that actually believes the tripe you post.(not that every single thing you post is incorrect, its just facts, opinions, thoughts and ramblings mixed in and out of context to the threads you comment on)

All of the above are a waste of skin. I wonder if you act as much of a childish arse in your real life as you do online. It would be sad and lonely if you do.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/12/2013 2:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
Comments such as this, angry rants with absolutely no relation to the arguments I put forward don't do anything to help your case.

Everything I said continues to disprove everything your original post states. No need to add anything further and I'm not so desperately angry to write walls of angry insults ;-)


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 8:25:13 AM , Rating: 2
With every comment you misunderstand the comment and then assume and insult. Then you persist with your false conclusions and when people give up trying to talk to you, you claim victory saying your points are proven and cant be refuted. Wrong... You are just too hard headed and obnoxious to see it and arguing with a troll like you is pointless.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:11:52 AM , Rating: 2
This would be a lot more worth replying to if it actually attempted to prove anything that I 'assumed' incorrectly, as you claim.

Otherwise, you're just a guy who lost a debate saying 'you're wrong' over and over.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/11/2013 10:10:47 AM , Rating: 1
I'll even quote it for you:

quote:
No, actually - worldwide it still leads all the competition, meaning that your exact question and argument could be accurately directed at yourself. What you're probably doing is taking a single country in isolation to make an invalid point. And even in the US which I assume you are referring to - both sets of customers rated their phones very high.


And just to join the final two dots which I'm sure would elude you - both your articles refer to US specific satisfaction scores.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/11/2013 1:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
irrelevant.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/11/2013 4:33:59 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, OK, the world is irrelevant, and the US is relevant.

You're dumb, yes. But this stupid?


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/11/2013 5:02:07 PM , Rating: 2
No, your assertion is irrelevant numbnuts. I repeat... With every comment you misunderstand the comment and then assume and insult. Then you persist with your false conclusions and when people give up trying to talk to you, you claim victory saying your points are proven and cant be refuted. Wrong... You are just too hard headed and obnoxious to see it and arguing with a troll like you is pointless.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/12/2013 2:30:24 AM , Rating: 2
My 'assertion' was that YOUR claim that Apple lost out the number one spot in satisfaction rates is factually incorrect, because worldwide they didn't.

You're prioritising a single country over the world, which is ridiculous.

To be absolutely clear - the leader of satisfaction rates worldwide is APPLE. Not Samsung.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 8:24:19 AM , Rating: 2
"You're prioritising a single country over the world, which is ridiculous."

To take a page out of your book of context, the US is where the bulk of Apples sales are and where Apples sales are comparable to the Android competition. Worldwide Apple is week.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/12/2013 8:46:43 AM , Rating: 2
Since I have already engaged you once again, I should also point out that I put up today's Android phones against the upcoming iPhone 5S, not the "11 month old" 5. We already know what we will see with this. It is the same size, same screen, same res but faster. It will probably have a few other improvements as well, fingerprint reader being most highest touted. A nice feature for the security conscious, but that has been around a long time and done before on phones years ago. Not exactly groundbreaking.

OK, rant away.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:16:00 AM , Rating: 2
For me, citing 'better tech' and satisfaction ratings and 'features' as arguments against an unreleased device is even more illogical. Sorry.


RE: LG G2
By testerguy on 8/13/2013 11:14:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
To take a page out of your book of context, the US is where the bulk of Apples sales are and where Apples sales are comparable to the Android competition. Worldwide Apple is week.


1 - The bulk of Apples sales do not happen in the US. Far less than 50%.

2 - You say 'worldwide Apple is week' - I assume you meant 'weak' - however 'Worldwide' includes America. So it's all the data for America, combined with all of the data for everywhere else. And if you take everyone into account - customers are more satisfied with their iPhones than Galaxy phones.


RE: LG G2
By retrospooty on 8/13/2013 11:15:20 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Your just toying with me arent you?

Funny.


Too Big
By Flunk on 8/8/2013 9:12:28 AM , Rating: 3
They really need to make a 4" version of this with the same specs (Screen can come down to 1080p). A lot of people, including me don't care for the jumbo phones. I carry it around in my pocket all day so it has to be a reasonable size. Making all the smaller phones mid to low end is infuriating.




RE: Too Big
By bug77 on 8/8/2013 9:16:19 AM , Rating: 2
You can't fit a 3Ah battery in a 4" form factor.
But just like you, I'm looking at today's flagship smartphones like a tech-demo: nice to see what can be done, but I'd never buy such a brick.


RE: Too Big
By lagomorpha on 8/9/2013 10:05:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can't fit a 3Ah battery in a 4" form factor.


You can if it's 1/2" thick.


RE: Too Big
By MadMan007 on 8/10/2013 2:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need to because the screen is often the part of the phone that uses the most power.


RE: Too Big
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 10:07:03 AM , Rating: 1
"A lot of people, including me don't care for the jumbo phones. I carry it around in my pocket all day so it has to be a reasonable size. Making all the smaller phones mid to low end is infuriating"

Get used to it, they are still on the way up, not down. The fact is most people like larger screens. You should really try one. Once you use a larger screen you wont go back and youll be glad you did.

All that great functionality that we have on today's smartphones is really wasted on a tiny screen.


RE: Too Big
By dgingerich on 8/8/2013 11:06:06 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to continue to restrict my purchasing to 4.5" phones and lower, and I'm certainly not alone. Many people have voiced the same opinion on these super huge phones. Manufacturers would be pretty stupid to shun that market.

They will likely be coming out with 4.3-4.5" phones with similar specs. The screen would be a pain if it was 1080 down to that size. It would be too difficult to read in many situations. It would likely be a 720 screen. Therefore, the processor could be less powerful, maybe 1.8GHz, and get the same performance. Also, with a smaller screen and a slightly less powerful processor, a smaller battery could do the job. I'd by quite happy with that, as long as they don't get stupid and leave off the Micro SD slot. (My One S is a pain because of the lack of that slot. Otherwise, I love it.)


RE: Too Big
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 1:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
"Many people have voiced the same opinion on these super huge phones. Manufacturers would be pretty stupid to shun that market."

I agree with you there. Many people do like it and I would think any manufacturer that did it would clean up that "non Apple small high end phone" segment. It doesnt seem like its happening though. They are getting bigger and bigger. Moto X might be a good fit though. Small bezels make it more like a 4.5 incher in size. Droid mini too. Not the highest end, but decent specs.


RE: Too Big
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 1:22:14 PM , Rating: 2
They're getting bigger because that's what people want. Man you guys still don't get it! WE here on DT are NOT the majority. WE are MINORITY.


RE: Too Big
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 1:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
Don't look at me, I want bigger screens too. I was just commenting that I do understand that alot of people don't. For me, 5-5.5 is about right.

Whatever any individual wants, one thing is very clear. The phone manufacturers aren't making high end small phones. They are making all high end phones larger and larger because their market studies are showing that the majority wants larger screens. I think they are right. Not all, but most.


RE: Too Big
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 2:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry wasn't trying to address you specifically. Just the big screen hater crowd that somehow thinks they are the majority. Meanwhile big screen phones are flying off the shelves and even Apple is going to make a big screen phone.


RE: Too Big
By Reclaimer77 on 8/8/2013 3:52:31 PM , Rating: 1
Agree. Every time an article for a phone is posted, some fag makes a thread JUST to inform us he thinks the screen is "too big". Wtf? Thanks for sharing bub! We can all sleep better tonight lol.

Now about this phone, arghh! Can someone explain this to me? Why is it that Samsung is pretty much the only Android handset provider making any real money, yet they are also the ONLY ones to offer a removable battery and SD slot?

Shouldn't that tell some of these Android manufacturers that maybe, just maybe, Samsung is onto something?

This looks like a great phone, but without those two features, it's just....incomplete.


RE: Too Big
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 6:57:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This looks like a great phone, but without those two features, it's just....incomplete.
From what I understand, the SD slot is available in some markets but not ours apparently. That used to be a big deal for me but I don't have one in my SGN and surprisingly didn't miss it from my old phone. I have all my stuff in the cloud now (another surprise) so hardly anything is on my phone. The battery is not a big deal to me either as long as I can force reboots some other way. I've only had to remove the battery twice and the reason for that turned out to be a somehow corrupted OS. Reloaded it and no issues since.


RE: Too Big
By Reclaimer77 on 8/8/2013 9:19:00 PM , Rating: 3
Captive batteries just freak me out. They go bad, a lot. It's a fact.

My friend's battery failed like last week. It would get to around 30% then suddenly power off. He got a replacement for like $10. If his phone had a captive battery, he would have been screwed.

I remember on my old GS2, I noticed the battery developed this hump-shape on one side, a sure sign it was starting to fail internally. But replacing it was a no-brainer.

Two years plus of constant use is a LOT to ask of these smartphone batteries. And it's a major pain in the ass if you have to replace it, unless it's removable.


RE: Too Big
By Spuke on 8/9/2013 12:58:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Two years plus of constant use is a LOT to ask of these smartphone batteries.
I've never had a battery problem ever with a cell phone let alone a smartphone. My wife has not either. Now I rarely drain my battery below 50% so that gives me some more cycles but that doesn't explain my wife's battery life cause she's drains hers down to dead quite often. And her batteries last the entire two years. As a matter of fact, my old HTC Incredible is still on its original battery (3 yo now) and the present owner of that phone just recently switch to an iPhone. That owner didn't have a problem with the battery either (I occasionally asked about the phones performance).


RE: Too Big
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/9/2013 6:33:39 PM , Rating: 3
Worn out batteries can be replaced even if they are not swappable. By the time battery wear & tear becomes an issue there won't be a warranty left on the phone so cracking it open should not be an issue as long as you know wtf you are doing.

Battery life is not why I prefer phones with swappable batteries. My reasons are:

1. I NEVER have to leave the phone sitting on a charger overnight. I simply swap out the dead/low battery for a fresh one. The dead one goes into a desk charger.

2. Spare batteries are dirt cheap. I can get 3 of them, plus a charger for about 40 bucks on ebay. So what if they are cheap-ass Chinese knockoffs. They work just fine.

3. I can pop in an oversized battery for those times when I can't be arsed to change batteries a few times per week. There are monster 7700 mAh batteries out there for the SGS4. Bulky, yes, but I don't have to charge the battery for a solid week.

4. I never have to worry about breaking my warranty for cracking open the phone. Not really an issue if your phone is old, but you really don't want to mess with the warranty on a new phone you just paid $700+ for.

I would never trade my 64GB SDCard for cloud storage. Just having my stuff with me at any time regardless of the availability of cell service or wifi is a comfort to me.


RE: Too Big
By testerguy on 8/9/2013 9:28:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sorry wasn't trying to address you specifically. Just the big screen hater crowd that somehow thinks they are the majority. Meanwhile big screen phones are flying off the shelves and even Apple is going to make a big screen phone.


Fact 1 - The majority of Android sales are not made up of large screen phones

Fact 2 - The two best selling phones ever have screen sizes of 4 inches or lower

Fact 3 - People who want an Android phone with the fastest possible performance or battery life are currently forced to buy devices with large screens.

Bottom line, there isn't any evidence that the majority prefer large screens.

In my opinion, it's the spec race (due to no OS differentiation) which has led to Android manufacturers building bigger and bigger phones because they can't fit the performance or the battery life to power it into a smaller phone.


RE: Too Big
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/9/2013 6:35:42 PM , Rating: 2
You are stating a lot of so-called facts there bud. But I don't see anything backing them up except your word.

And you are not a particularly credible authority.


RE: Too Big
By testerguy on 8/10/2013 4:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
Fact 1 Backup:

This one is the hardest to confirm, but it's due to the vast majority of smartphone sales being made up of feature phones.

Worldwide smartphone sales totalled 210 million units in the first quarter of 2013. Samsung was boasting in Q2 that their best selling phone (the S4) had sold 20 million units in 2 months. Even extrapolating evenly (which we shouldn't as this was their launch month) that would be 30m per quarter. This phone is by far the best selling phone on Android, period - outselling every other flagship large screen phone combined. This would give the large screened devices a maximum of 1/4 of the sales in Q2.

Fact 2 - the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 are the two best selling phones, I don't think this even requires proof - it's common knowledge. If you do need me to evidence this, say so - but at that point I would question whether you even follow the industry.

Fact 3 - It's also common knowledge that you cannot get the maximum performance available on Android in a smaller screen device. The flagship performance 'king' is always the large screen model. Again, this is pretty common knowledge. You can argue that there are some reasonably high spec Android phones available in smaller sizes but that is a) debatable and b) Wouldn't challenge my claim of 'fastest possible performance'.


RE: Too Big
By faust67 on 8/12/2013 5:07:03 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think that anyone really needs to know if a majority of people prefer big or small screens. Who cares? The real question is: is there a market for small AND big screens (and everything in-between)? Obviously, yes. Do you think that any manufacturer is going to say: 60% of people prefer big (or small screens), so I am not going to produce small (or big) screen smartphones? Of course not, that would be completely dumb, like a carmaker saying "a majority of people prefer silver cars, so we will produce only silver cars". Even Apple understand (finally!) that one product fits all approach cuts them from a huge potential market. They released a smaller iPad (after saying that smaller tablets are useless) and will more than probably release an iPhone with a larger screen (and I don't mention the possible cheaper iPhone, something that goes completely against Apple's high-end image). But Apple is not completely stupid, they know that sometimes you have to swallow your pride and recognize that leaving huge portions of the market to other smartphones manufacturers that offer more options is just suicidal. My wife is looking into buying a new phone and the first thing she said is "I want a bigger screen". She is not representative of the all market of course, but she shows that bigger screens appeal to some consumers, the same way small screens appeal to others. The only thing I can say is that her screen size requirement is the reason why she looked at the iPhone for only half a second (and perhaps that her current phone runs Android, but she does not exclude a Windows phone, so it is secondary).


RE: Too Big
By testerguy on 8/12/2013 7:02:25 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with all of what you put.

I was only arguing with an assertion that large screens are the majority.

I didn't make any claims about whether or not any company should ignore any markets or not.

:-)


RE: Too Big
By karimtemple on 8/8/2013 2:30:55 PM , Rating: 2
You say "5-5.5," but damn man, I was in an AT&T store yesterday and finally saw an S4 and an Optimus G Pro side-by-side. I was like "WHAT! How does 0.5 inches do that!?" I definitely can't settle for 5. It's possible that 5.2 is doable.

Pray with me for a G2-based Nexus 5.


RE: Too Big
By Decom on 8/8/2013 1:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It doesnt seem like its happening though. They are getting bigger and bigger. Moto X might be a good fit though. Small bezels make it more like a 4.5 incher in size


Didn't Moto/Google just say they done a tonne of research before building the Moto X into how big people want their screen size and top of the list was 4.7", that's why they went with it.


RE: Too Big
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 2:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
That is what they said.


RE: Too Big
By MadMan007 on 8/10/2013 2:28:53 PM , Rating: 2
What you describe actually is a mid-range phone ;) so don't complain just because it's in the middle of a lineup range.


RE: Too Big
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/8/2013 12:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
My daughter has much the same opinion as this guy spooty. She carries her phone around in her tight jeans pocket and doesn't like them overly big to the point that they stick out. She carries around an SGS2. I offered her one of my SGS3s for free and she refused it saying it was too big for her. For me the 5" screen on my SGS4 is bordering on too big. I wouldn't want to tote anything bigger around in my shirt pocket.

There is a big market ouot there for those folks that want smartphones rather than mini phablets. For many, bigger isn't always better. Phone companies know it hence the SGS4 mini and its ilk.


RE: Too Big
By TSS on 8/9/2013 10:07:23 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, but i have to throw in a little reality check here.

I'm 26 years old right now. Most people would say i'm still a pretty young guy. Even i would say i'm a pretty young guy.

The same month as when i was born, Apple introduced the Mac SE, a 15 pound desktop PC costing you $3000 ($4000 if you wanted the 20 megabyte HDD), sporting a whopper of a CPU going at 8 MEGAhertz, a maximum of 4 MEGAbytes of RAM, and a >9 inch< 512x384 CRT display. GPU's didn't even exist.

And you're saying to me, "this phone is too big why don't they make something equally powerfull, smaller?".

You, sir, are a spoiled brat.


A really nice phone
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/8/2013 9:25:06 AM , Rating: 2
Very nice. Really powerful processor, decent battery and camera.

Looks to be made of plastic though which to me is just fine.

The only things I would have liked to see is a swappable battery and Micro-SD card slot. For those that don't care about those features I thing this phone would be perfect.




RE: A really nice phone
By bug77 on 8/8/2013 9:35:25 AM , Rating: 2
It does have a card slot, but it's not available in all regions. Which regions will get it, I don't know.


RE: A really nice phone
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 10:03:15 AM , Rating: 2
I am seeing in a few places that only Korean, and possibly international GSM's will get it, but none of the US carriers. Bummer.

It's so nice I will consider it anyhow. I love the screen and larger battery, along with the g-ram optimization. Aslo, it just looks sweet with the very thin bezels. When you see a good pic where the menu buttons and notifications have the background behind them you really get a good look at the screen to bezel ratio.

2nd pic down.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/06/lg-g2-leaked-pr...


RE: A really nice phone
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/8/2013 11:17:51 AM , Rating: 2
I'm really a whore for my swappable batteries & card slot. I use both of those features a lot which is why I am pretty much stuck on Samsung for high end phones.

If not for those I would probably be all over one of these as well.


RE: A really nice phone
By Mint on 8/8/2013 12:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it edges out the Note 2 in percentage of the face occupied by the screen.

I will say one thing about thin bezels on large screens, though, from first hand experience: Sometimes the meat of your thumb/palm interacts with the touch screen accidentally. Even fingers occasionally register a touch by simply gripping the phone.


RE: A really nice phone
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 1:11:13 PM , Rating: 2
Thumb meat. mmmmmmmmmm http://i.imgur.com/Lo88Lkr.gif


RE: A really nice phone
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 1:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm seriously considering NOT getting a HTC One and getting this instead. It's only 3mm longer and 3mm wider than my phone but has a 5.2" screen (compared to my 4.65"). Huge battery (!) and 1080p. Just waiting to see how the camera does compared to the HTC One. Don't care about the SD card slot as I'm not even close to using all 32GB of my present phone but this DOES have to have HDMI (via MHL is fine). I can't seem to find any info on whether it has HDMI.


RE: A really nice phone
By flyingpants1 on 8/8/2013 2:34:07 PM , Rating: 2
The battery is not huge. It's proportional to screen power draw


RE: A really nice phone
By Spuke on 8/8/2013 2:41:14 PM , Rating: 2
It will still last HOURS more than my phone and that's huge to me.


RE: A really nice phone
By flyingpants1 on 8/8/2013 3:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
Super powerful screen and SoC, but battery is smaller than Note 2. No real-world benchmarks yet. My guess is it will get middle of the road battery life.


24bit/192kHz sound is marketing bull$hit
By mik123 on 8/8/2013 11:25:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The G2 is also the first smartphone on the market to utilize 24 bit/192kHz Hi-Fi playback of also to of audio content offering sound superior to CD-quality.


Please don't spread misinformation.

For audio playback, 24bit rates do NOT add any additional quality over 16bit.
192kHz sampling rate, on the other hand, makes the quality WORSE than 96kHz.

There are no valid reasons to use 24bit/192kHz for playback (recording is a different matter). It's all just marketing.

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the...




RE: 24bit/192kHz sound is marketing bull$hit
By ProZach on 8/9/2013 6:02:44 AM , Rating: 2
Excellent reference on the Xiph article- informative and easy to read. I have a feeling you're a reader of a certain scientific audio forum. :thumbs up:


By mik123 on 8/9/2013 11:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
Guilty as charged! :-)


No Thanks... I'll pass
By SpaceRanger on 8/8/2013 11:39:06 AM , Rating: 2
No thank you.. LG will never get another dime of my money. I bought the G2X when it was their flagship and they botched that release totally. Their updates for the device never came. For a dual-core device, not having ICS or JB for the device is an insult to the hardware. Now, before people start chiming in with "I've got ICS.. I've got Hackfest" There is NO SINGLE ROM out there for the G2X that has full hardware acceleration AND a working modem. LG (and to a point nVidia) screwed the pooch with this one. Bought myself the SGS4 and haven't looked back.




RE: No Thanks... I'll pass
By ProZach on 8/9/2013 5:57:11 AM , Rating: 2
Funny you mentioned "haven't looked back" since that is what I have come to expect from mid-range (or lower) LG products. I'm sure their high-end mobile screens are as nice as people say they are. On the other hand, I have a few LG products that miss huge on expected features/performance and I can not get any help from support. So now I am skeptical to acquire another LG branded device, especially since the last cell phone I had was riddled with bugs and the carrier (and LG) were quick to pass the blame towards the other party like a idiotic ping pong match. Q: "Disappointed?" A: "Most definitely."


I am not convinced
By ERROR666 on 8/8/2013 12:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
Not convinced about the buttons. I can see their point but
what will do all these people who use phone cases? Also I can easily see these buttons being accidentally pressed with phone being in the pocket.




RE: I am not convinced
By flyingpants1 on 8/8/2013 2:36:23 PM , Rating: 2
Phone cases.. Will have holes.. So you can press.. The buttons.


Grammar
By dkubus on 8/8/2013 11:06:36 AM , Rating: 2
24 bit/192kHz Hi-Fi playback of also to of audio




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