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The bell tolls for "Nehalem" when Intel's clock strikes next in 2008
More details of Intel's next-generation architecture unveiled

Intel's "tick tock" development cycle continues to chime with the Nehalem processor architecture scheduled for production next year. Intel Senior Vice President Pat Gelsinger detailed the advanced features on the next-generation to DailyTech earlier today.

In the second half of this year, Intel will release its first 45nm Penryn-based processors.  While nearly identical architecturally to the Core 2 Duo processors released last year, Penryn's 45nm node allows Intel to put more L2 cache onboard; the company already announced Penryn-based processors will utilize up to 12MB of L2 cache on quad-core designs.

Intel's 45nm node utilizes metal transistor gates and high-k dielectrics.  The departure from silicon-based transistors translates to a 5-fold reduction in source-drain leakage and a 10-fold reduction in dielectric leakage.  According to Intel guidance, this means existing processors could run 20% faster just by switching to metal gate and high-k transistors.  Gelsinger claims mature Penryn processors will operate in excess of 3 GHz per core, with 1600 MHz front-side busses on server platforms.

After the 45nm shrink has matured, Intel will then incorporate architectural changes into its processor family, currently dubbed NehalemNehalem is still a 4-issue architecture similar to Core, but new advances in management and scalability give Nehalem its new micro architecture designation.

Earlier this year Intel roadmaps stated Hyper-Threading would appear on some Penryn processors.  Shortly after, Intel retracted the roadmap, stating that simultaneous multi-threading will not reappear until 2008.  This was made evident today when Intel unveiled its next-generation threading plans for Nehalem.

High-end server Nehalem-family processors have eight cores. Coupled with 2-way threading, these processors appear as 16 logical CPUs.  This threading is dynamic: Threads can be powered on and off depending on the application needs.

Dynamic threading isn't the only on-the-fly operation for Nehalem.  Almost everything about Nehalem can be dynamically managed: Power, threads, bus, cache and cores.  This management is primarily a power-saving feature, but also allows for saleable designs as well.

The bulk of these changes are possible due to Nehalem's on-board memory controller.  AMD realized the advantages of integrated memory controllers (IMCs) with the introduction of its Opteron series processors four years ago.  Intel has long toyed with with IMCs on some processors, and will even deliver the Tolapai system-on-a-chip later this year with an integrated memory controller.

Intel's dynamic bus, the Common System Interface (CSI), is clearly a focal point for the Nehalem architecture.  With many respects, CSI is very similar to HyperTransport: Variable, serial interconnects for processor-to-processor communication.  CSI will not only make its debut on Nehalem, but design engineers have also confirmed to DailyTech that CSI will have a large presence on next-generation Itanium platforms as well.

Intel leaves a single teaser in its Nehalem design guidance: "High performance integrated graphics engine for client."  Speaking on background, Intel insiders stated "The majority of the Intel Northbridge is already on the Nehalem die, so adding the final logic to include graphics is essentially [trivial] with the correct bus support."  Intel's renewed interest in graphics processing came just weeks after AMD made similiar announcements, which AMD has codenamed Fusion.

In addition, Intel will also expand the SSE4 instruction set.  Other architectural tweaks include shared multi-level cache.  AMD's upcoming Barcelona processors share L3 cache between cores; Intel's last NetBurst processors shared L3 cache, but no current Core processor utilizes such functionality.

Gelsinger emphasizes that Nehalem is on track for production in 2008.

Intel's "tick tock" strategy doesn't end at the 45nm node.  In 2009 Intel will optically shrink Nehalem process from 45nm to 32nm.  In a sense, it's the same move Intel is currently undertaking with the transition from Conroe to PenrynNehalem's 32nm shrink is dubbed Westmere.  The 32nm architecture that will succeed Westmere is dubbed Gesher.


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AMD is Effed
By dcalfine on 3/28/2007 6:18:45 PM , Rating: 2
Intel has a bright future, and has planned it out well. I worry for AMD.




RE: AMD is Effed
By archcommus on 3/28/2007 6:21:34 PM , Rating: 5
You say this as if you know AMD does NOT have a bright future. You have no idea how well Barcelona will perform, and how quickly AMD might follow to 45 nm and possibly a refresh architecture late next year.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Roy2001 on 3/28/2007 6:31:58 PM , Rating: 2
Be frankly, we all have no idea, unless you are working on AMD new quad-core project.


RE: AMD is Effed
By dcalfine on 3/28/2007 6:35:05 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct, I don't know about AMD's future. I implied that when I said that intel has planned theirs out. Given that I don't know what AMD has planned out, intel's future looks brighter.


RE: AMD is Effed
By bikinistud on 3/28/2007 6:35:35 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree that we don't know how bright AMD's future is but if the Core 2 can compete with the current line up and they are going to include CSI and an IMC, AMD will have to come up with some major improvement that Intel hasn't thought of. Barcelona doesn't contain any major, new, component that hasn't already been tried on other chips before. A few tweaks here and there, plus L3 cache but how much help will this really add up to?

I just hope Fusion can out-pace whatever Intel is trying to develop, for all consumers sake.


RE: AMD is Effed
By MrBungle123 on 3/28/2007 6:43:39 PM , Rating: 4
If AMD continues to fumble around like they have lately they will be in big trouble. Considering their track record for the past year going from a 2.8GHz Dual Core to a 3.0GHz Dual Core processor is not much of an improvement. Rebadging a server platform and calling it "QuadFX" wasn't in any way shape or form the "advancement" they hyped up up to be, it more shows me that they are desperate to keep up and needed to manufacture a new label to get some attention. You could have done the same thing by dropping modern video cards and latest round of Opteron processors into Maximum PC's Dream Machine 2005.

I really want to see barcelona come out swinging, we need competition in the CPU market. But given AMD's current pace im not sure it will be enough. They will need to have barcelona's architectural successor up and ready to go in a year or they will be in the same position they are now... one process technology and one architecure behind.


RE: AMD is Effed
By encryptkeeper on 3/30/2007 10:38:49 AM , Rating: 2
AMD has been lacking in the last couple of months as the K8 architecture has been brought to an early death by core 2, that's probably the only fact that anyone sane could agree on. We never know what will happen with Intel or AMD but it's already been said that Intel took heavy hits in the profit department in Q3 or 4 (can't remember) of last year and AMD will have to step up production when Barcelona comes out. AMD is also stuck facing a cheap, well received chip that many people have in their systems, and not as many people will jump on upgrading to Barcelona unless it's VERY cheap and MUCH better than Core 2. Intel finished Core 2 and fired 10000 employees, no doubt many of those that were fired did serious development work on the Core 2 project who are now possibly working for AMD. When it comes time to redevelop an architecture, Intel probably won't be able to make as large a leap as Core 2.


RE: AMD is Effed
By viscount02 on 3/31/2007 2:52:24 AM , Rating: 2
Dude.. STFU. you don't know your facts so shut up. Intel fired most of the non-essential people-- like 1,000 managers and people from marketing. They cut projects that were just sucking the life and limb out if intel. I KNOW there were software developers who did jack squat.

encriptkeeper, You do not know what you are talking about.

http://news.soft32.com/intel-says-goodbye-to-10000...

AMD is in trouble. Barcelona will get its L2 cache(essentially its buttocks) handed to itself when penryn shows up. MCM with onboard memory controller and northbridge on die means dark times for AMD.


RE: AMD is Effed
By defter on 3/29/2007 5:42:49 AM , Rating: 5
Actually, anybody that has followed AMD's statements recently have a pretty good idea on those issues:

- based on AMD's Barcelona peformance claims, it's very, very likely that Barcelona will be slower in the desktop (1S) compared to Penryn based quad cores that will be able to reach 3.6GHz in Q1 2008.
- AMD has stated that they plan to have 45nm chips available in mid-2008. Thus they will be at least 6 months behind Intel. However, considering AMD's delays with previous process transitions, it's likely that 45nm process will be delayed to late 2008.
- AMD has always disclosed details about future architecture improvements well in advance. Athlon details were disclosed in 1998, almost a year before launch. K8 details were disclosed in Autumn 2001, 1.5 years before Opteron launch. Last summer AMD disclosed Barcelona details, more than a year before availability. So far there has been zero information about AMD's architecture improvements scheduled for the next year, there haven't been any rumours let alone official information. Thus, it's safe to say that there won't be anything drastically new (45nm shrink doesn't count) from AMD in 2008.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Viditor on 3/31/2007 11:37:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
based on AMD's Barcelona peformance claims, it's very, very likely that Barcelona will be slower in the desktop (1S) compared to Penryn based quad cores that will be able to reach 3.6GHz in Q1 2008


This is incorrect...
1. Even a K8 core on a quad core configuration is faster than C2D. That's already been benched (in a roundabout manner). The benchmarks show that a 2P dual core Opteron is about the same as a Clovertown (QC), and we know from when Opteron went dual core that it gains ~5% when the cores are placed on the same die. A 4P Opteron is ~16% faster than a 2P Clovertown...

2. Barcelona is to be 42% faster in FP and "double digits" faster in integer than Clovertown, but the K10s that follow Barcelona in Q3 (still before Penryn's release) will be even faster as they will be using HT 3.0 (unlike Barcelona).

3. We still have no idea how high the K10s will clock yet...

quote:
However, considering AMD's delays with previous process transitions, it's likely that 45nm process will be delayed to late 2008

This is a ridiculous thing to say...it's like saying Nehalem will be delayed by 3 more years because Itanium was.
quote:
AMD has always disclosed details about future architecture improvements well in advance

Firstly, most of those examples were about Jerry Sanders and AMD, not Hector.
Secondly, even if that bizarre logic holds true, we shouldn't see any architecure announcements until July for the 45nm...that will be 1 year before release.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Ralph The Magician on 3/29/2007 2:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
AMD is about 6-9 months behind in process. If they really want to get back in the game, at least in terms of profits, they are going to have to eitehr SKIP a process or Intel is going to have to get stuck on a process long enough so that AMD can catch up. The latter is more likely, because that's something that happens fairly often in the industry, but Intel is really working to keep their lead.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Ralph The Magician on 3/29/2007 2:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
And IMO, AMD needs to focus away from high-performance consumer CPUs. They should focus more on Opteron which STILL scales better than Xeon. That's where the real strength of an integrated memory controller lies.

With their recent aquisition of ATI they can also create a nice integreated budget platform and CPU.

Truth is, AMD has never been too good at the high performance desktop/workstation game. Even when they would take the CPU performance crown they still lacked the chipsets and a standardized, modern, in-house platform. Kind of a shame that now that they FINALLY have the ability to do that, they are the furthest behind in the performance game then they have probably ever been. :-\


RE: AMD is Effed
By James Holden on 3/28/2007 6:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well, one thing I find interesting about Nehalem is two of the main architecture features are designs AMD has been using since Opteron launched:
* CSI -> HyperTransport
* Integrated Memory Controller

Granted, integrated GPUs are new territory for AMD and Intel -- I think that's going to come into big play in 2008/2009.


RE: AMD is Effed
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/28/2007 6:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
Good points.

I'm also interested in the shared cache announcement. It seems like Intel wouldn't have made much of a deal about it if it is in fact the same thing that was on Tulsa.

Gelsinger said that the shared cache will only be at the highest level, which I assume would be L3. Though why he didn't just go out and state L3 is kind of odd.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Trisped on 3/28/2007 6:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
Sometimes they share L2 cache, so Intel may not have decided weather to share L2, add L3 cache, or share both L2 and L3 both.


RE: AMD is Effed
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/28/2007 6:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
That's true although Gelsinger was fairly clear about only one level of cache being shared.


RE: AMD is Effed
By Trisped on 3/28/2007 6:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
Integrated GPUs is not new territory for Intel, if you remember the 90s they did the same thing back then, and it failed horrably. But, now that AMD is doing it Intel has to do it too, so they can stay supperior.


RE: AMD is Effed
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/28/2007 6:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
Same with Intel's IMC!


RE: AMD is Effed
By Chillin1248 on 3/28/2007 9:14:52 PM , Rating: 5
Indeed:

The Intel 386SL microprocessor integrates a fully static processor, memory controller , ISA bus controller, EMS 4.0 hardware and system control circuitry for battery-powered systems. It offers three times the integration of Intel 386SX CPUs.

It was released in the early 1990s.

-------
Chillin


RE: AMD is Effed
By Belard on 3/29/2007 3:42:45 AM , Rating: 1
Keep in mind that the Centrino Design (the first gen of desgin that lead to today's Core2Duo) by IDC of Intel - looks very much and ACTS very much like the AMD-XP (32bit) CPUs... Low Mhz, high performance.

Even the die looks simular.

We can only hope AMD gets it in gear - for competition sake.

Or the days of $1000 CPUs will return. Remember the OLD days when a NEW CPU was the highest cost and was faster than the previous? Rather than today when the come out with $500 CPUs and then new SLOWER cheaper versions ;)


RE: AMD is Effed
By zsdersw on 3/29/2007 9:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
One small tidbit: It's not a "Centrino design".. Centrino is just the marketing term for the specific combination of a Dothan/Yonah/Merom CPU, Intel system chipset, and Intel wireless. All of that same hardware can be present in a laptop and not have the Centrino label, however.


AMD's future is doomed
By restrada on 3/28/2007 6:40:16 PM , Rating: 1
Ok, someone says no one knows how Barcelona will perform. Loyd Case from Extremetech.com has stated in a recent test that Barcelona will pose little challenge to Core 2 CPU's.

I would say that AMD has a lot to worry. With their recent financial hits of not making their 4th quarter budget and $150 million loss, things are only going to spiral downward for them.




RE: AMD's future is doomed
By MrBungle123 on 3/28/2007 6:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
are you sure they weren't talking about brisbane? no performance for barcelona have been released yet... that i know of anyway.


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By Trisped on 3/28/2007 6:52:06 PM , Rating: 1
You can't say how well something will perform unless you have seen it, you know what makes it. The basic inputs listed by AMD like matching scale, as well as their proven superiority in building efficient processors is a very clear indication that AMD has a chance. I am not saying that they will be better, just that there is no way for anyone outside AMD to know how the chips will perform.

And don't forget, Intel also posted losses in Q4 of 06


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By Roy2001 on 3/28/2007 6:55:35 PM , Rating: 4
Intel posted loss? Check INTC histroy and correct your post.


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By MandrakeAU on 3/28/2007 11:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Intel posted losses in Q4 of 06? Nonsense! See this:- http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/...

SANTA CLARA, Calif., Jan. 16, 2007 – Intel Corporation today announced fourth-quarter revenue of $9.7 billion, operating income of $1.5 billion, net income of $1.5 billion and earnings per share (EPS) of 26 cents. Excluding the effects of share-based compensation, the company posted operating income of $1.8 billion, net income of $1.7 billion and EPS of 30 cents

Since when is $1.5bn profit a "loss"?


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By Trisped on 4/12/2007 6:28:42 PM , Rating: 2
Whoops, should be "Lower then expected earnings." Quite a bit lower too...


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By murphyslabrat on 3/28/2007 7:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
The problem here is that Intel is a shoolyard bully that is being harried by the pipsqueek AMD. For the past several years Intel had a seriously debilitating desease called NetBurst. Now after that has been cured, Intel has been bringing it's great financial superiority to a project that is worthwhile; the result? AMD is, again, an underdog with less than a little more than a quarter of the money to play with than Intel.
My take of the situation is that AMD will be the next VIA, albeit a VIA with CPU's, GPU's, and chipsets that don't suck; but an underdog nonetheless. For those of us who love cheap PC's(that don't overheat while playing Solitaire) AMD will be our solution.
Whatever the case, AMD IS and HAS been the underdog, and that's what we love them for. Fortunately, they have given us much better performance than Intel's offerings till now, but that's the way the conoe(is that the proper spelling? if it is, the similiarity to 'conroe' is funny) floats. For you people who are foretelling Doom and Gloom for AMD, that is the nature of this industry.
And, to conclude, worst case scenario: AMD(or DAAMIT) gets bought by a company with a vastly greater financial basis. This is what happened with Voodoo(for those of you who remember those days) and ATI, and we'll see better products from a rebranded company.


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By cheetah2k on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: AMD's future is doomed
By cheetah2k on 3/29/2007 9:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
Man, the Intel fanboys are out in force today LOL


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By Viditor on 3/31/2007 11:57:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Loyd Case from Extremetech.com has stated in a recent test that Barcelona will pose little challenge to Core 2 CPU's

Ummm...that's not what I read. Could you post a link to that?
I can't imagine that Loyd would say something silly like that, but I'm willing to learn!


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By OneEng on 3/31/2007 3:43:59 PM , Rating: 2
Barcelona will be able to execute 128bit SSE instructions two times as fast as the current Core 2 architecture since it can load, execute, and retire 2 128 bit SSE instructions vs. Core 2's 1 (which was still two times faster than K8 or P4 could do it).

Barcelona also sports most of the improvements that Core 2 got over Yonah.

In addition to all of that, Barcelona has L3 cache and an exclusive L2 (lower latency than a shared L2 that C2D has).

In addition to ALL of that, K8 and its derivatives have always had a superior FP unit.

Add all that up ..... you still think that Barcelona isn't going to cause Intel some grief?

Here is a clue ..... Intel is planning to SLASH its desktop prices by 300% in Q3 2007. Why do you suppose that is?


RE: AMD's future is doomed
By zsdersw on 4/1/2007 12:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
Attributing Intel's price cuts, automatically, to purported superiority of Barcelona is foolish.


P6 Core
By Conman530 on 3/28/2007 11:09:49 PM , Rating: 1
So go with me right...

So the P6 Architecture goes like this:

The Intel Pentium (P5 Core) >> Pentium Pro (1995)(P6 Core)>> Pentium II (1997)(P6) >> Pentium III (1999)(P6) >> Pentium M (2001/2)(P6) >> Intel Core (Duo/Solo)(2005) (P6) >> Core 2 Duo (2006)(P6) >> Penryn (?)(P6) >> Nehalem (P6) >> Westmere (P6) >> Gesher (P6) >> ? (P6?)

All derived from an Architecture invented in 1995.
(**cough**LOL)

Long live "P6." Longest lived Architecture on the Planet (besides maybe x86 :-P) Long live Pentium Pro, and Pentium III, both highly ahead of their time. (the 1.4 GHz PIII was ~ equivelant to a 2.66 GHz P4. P6 Power Baby!

P6 Architecture (1995-). Don't Die.




RE: P6 Core
By InsaneScientist on 3/29/2007 1:38:32 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
the 1.4 GHz PIII was ~ equivelant to a 2.66 GHz P4.


What are you talking about?

For general purpose stuff (in other words, anything but media encoding, which the P4 shined in from day 1) the P4 was slower than the PIII, but not by that much.

A 1.4GHz PIII would be roughly equivalent to a 1.8GHz Pentium 4.

AMD took the original Athlon architechure (not the Athlon XP) all the way to 1.4GHz, at which point they hit a ceiling. For a long time, though, Intel could not hit the same performance level with their P4. (It took about 6 months, IIRC) Finally, with the introduction of Northwood, its architechural improvements, and a clock speed of 2.0GHz, Intel overcame the Athlon @ 1.4GHz.

The Athlon was slightly more efficient than the PIII... so if a 2.0GHz P4 could beat a 1.4GHz Athlon, it could certainly beat a 1.4 GHz PIII. It wouldn't take a 2.66GHz P4.


RE: P6 Core
By Belard on 3/29/2007 3:58:57 AM , Rating: 2
For gaming and general use - back then, my P3-900Mhz was on par with a buddy's P4 1.4Ghz... He paid $800 for RAM alone (it would have been $300 for the faster AMD's memeory)


RE: P6 Core
By Conman530 on 3/30/2007 1:01:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
For general purpose stuff (in other words, anything but media encoding, which the P4 shined in from day 1) the P4 was slower than the PIII, but not by that much.


Wrong, dead wrong.

My 1200MHz CELERON, based on the Tualatin Pentium III Core, on a 100MHz (SLOW) Bus, with only 256K (half of PIII-S)of L2 Cache, can do more MFlops Whetstone in PC Wizard 2007, than my 2.26 P4 can on a 400MHz Bus (I think), and when overclocked to 1450 MHz, my old Celly can match the performance of my 2,66 NORTHWOOD P4 on these benchmarks. I prefer using my Celeron (with 1.5 GB of RAM) to my P4, any day of the week. I even play the occasional round of CS 1.6, or BF 1942 on the old thing. My P4s? Those can fold, I don't care.

Long live the ever-more-efficient P6. Long Live Conroe.


RE: P6 Core
By zsdersw on 3/30/2007 8:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
Without details on how each system was configured (chipset, RAM, etc.) your anecdotes are dubious.


RE: P6 Core
By Conman530 on 3/31/2007 2:23:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Without details on how each system was configured (chipset, RAM, etc.) your anecdotes are dubious.

------------

Well... Here you go, this is all I know, I Know more about the Celly because It is my secondary daily-use system for E-Mail, Internet, Music, Etc. The Netburst P4s just fold all day.

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System 1:

Intel Celeron Processor 1200MHz/1450MHz- Tualatin Core - 256 KB L2 Cache - 100 MHz Bus

1536MB Generic PC 133 - Running at PC 100

MSI 694-T Pro Socket 370 Motherboard

Via Apollo 133T Pro MB Chipset

Nvidia Geforce 6200LE 256MB GDDR2 AGP 4x Graphics Card

--------------
System 2:

Pentium 4 Processor 2260MHz/2660 MHz - Northwood Core - 400 MHz Bus - 512 (I think) KB L2 Cache

512 MB (RAM doesnt matter for CPU testing :-]) Crappy RAMBUS PC1066 RAM

Some old Asus Mobo (dont have box/manual etc.)

Intel 8xx sumthing or rather MOBO Chipset...

Nvidia GeForce 5950 Ultra AGP 4x Graphics Card

----------

The difference in other system specs should not have substantial bearing on the results of the CPU tests.


RE: P6 Core
By zsdersw on 3/31/2007 11:05:46 AM , Rating: 2
Device manager should be able to give you some information about the chipset. Although you probably have the 850e chipset.

533MHz FSB is ideal for pc1066 RDRAM.. so you should use that or get a Northwood-B P4 and see how the tables turn. I *highly* doubt the Celeron would be faster.. even with the 400MHz FSB.. as the 850e chipset and pc1066 RDRAM is a very solid performer.


L2 Cache
By TheTerl on 3/28/2007 6:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's interesting to see both the increase in L2 cache (a whopping 12MB!), even with quad cores. In addition to a lot of other benefits, CSI + IMC should dramatically reduce the effect of latency from accessing the RAM, so it makes me wonder how much effective performance can be gained from increasing an already large cache, at least compared to increases in previous generations. Anybody have thoughts on the subject?




RE: L2 Cache
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/28/2007 6:52:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, keep in mind, we will see 12MB of L2 on the quad-cores late this year with the Penryn shrink. We could possibly see increases in L2 cache when mainstream Nehalem rolls around -- and we certainly will for the server variants.


RE: L2 Cache
By Viditor on 3/31/2007 11:43:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We could possibly see increases in L2 cache when mainstream Nehalem rolls around

Actually, I would bet it's the opposite Kris...
Nehalem won't require the large L2 so much because of the ODMC, and that cache is expensive...


RE: L2 Cache
By MrBungle123 on 3/28/2007 6:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
I think the reason they will need the large cache is to keep mulitple cores happy. If the nehalem chips can be scaled up to 8 cores they will need the cache. Or maybe Quad Channel RAM?


www.intel.com/pressroom
By crystal clear on 3/29/2007 3:38:58 AM , Rating: 6
This is the Intel press release-

Intel Details Upcoming New Processor Generations

Marking the next step in Intel's "tick-tock" product strategy and cadence to deliver a new process technology with an enhanced microarchitecture or entirely new microarchitecture every year, Intel Corporation will begin producing its next-generation Penryn family of processors in the second half of this year. These new processors benefit from enhancements to the Intel® Core™ microarchitecture and also Intel's industry-leading 45nm Hi-k process technology with its hafnium-based high-K + metal gate transistor design, which results in higher performance and more energy-efficient processors.

.................................

PENRYN FAMILY MICROARCHITECTURE INNOVATIONS

.................................

NEHALEM MICROARCHITECTURE

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20...




RE: www.intel.com/pressroom
By crystal clear on 3/29/2007 4:46:57 AM , Rating: 2
By cochy on 3/28/2007 7:10:53 PM , Rating: 2
AMD and Intel are set to do some interesting things in the latter half of this year.

Makes me happy I'm too broke right now to get my new PC lol




By SiN on 3/29/2007 5:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
Same Here!


"closed-door meetings " ???
By crystal clear on 3/29/2007 7:51:26 AM , Rating: 2
Whilst -

"Intel Senior Vice President Pat Gelsinger detailed the advanced features on the next-generation to DailyTech earlier today."

His boss -

"Intel's president and CEO Paul Otellini is scheduled to visit Taiwan on March 29 to meet with the company's partners, according to Intel Taiwan, which noted that this will the first time Otellini has visited Taiwan as the CEO of Intel.

Intel Taiwan stated that Otellini will meet with Intel's partners in Taiwan and have closed-door meetings starting in the morning of March 29. The visit was scheduled by Intel's US headquarters to last for only one day, according to Intel Taiwan, which did not reveal the companies that Otellini would be meeting with. Due to the short nature of the visit, Otellini is not scheduled to make a public appearance

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070329PD214.html




By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/29/2007 4:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
It's my understand though before he was the CEO he used to go to Taiwan and Japan very frequently.

Digitimes is Taiwan-based, and very pro-Taiwan-anything by the way.


Future socket
By elroyerni on 3/29/2007 4:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know what socket these future CPU's will run on? I've heard AMD is going to be introducing AM3 sockets soon.. i haven't heard anything about intel..




RE: Future socket
By Kougar on 3/29/2007 6:23:29 PM , Rating: 2
Penryn is LGA 775. Whatever socket Nehalem uses, it's guaranteed it won't be compatible with the current LGA775 socket.


AMD will b fine
By dandres87 on 3/30/2007 5:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
everything in life is pretty cyclical, Intel will pwn for awhile, then AMD, then Intel, it's life.

But i put my $ on AMD

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6484

i suggested they are more innovative and intel copies them. What do u know, tomshardware alludes to such an idea also (or mebe they stole it from me, right)

http://www.tgdaily.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

food for thought




RE: AMD will b fine
By iollmann on 4/2/2007 11:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i suggested they are more innovative and intel copies them. What do u know, tomshardware alludes to such an idea also (or mebe they stole it from me, right)


Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, on both counts.

It seems insulting to say the least that that either company would not know what an integrated memory controller is. What drives one company to make that kind of transition before another is not usually a symptom of engineering incompetence. It is usually just a the interplay between what key players think is defensible and practical at the time, as viewed through the lens of their estimation of just how big of a home run do they need to hit to win the game. If you are behind, swing for the fences! Otherwise, maybe a bunt will do.


Octal and Hexadecal!
By murphyslabrat on 3/28/2007 7:30:10 PM , Rating: 1
Who needs dual-core anymore? I want my own Hexadecal-core cpu!!




RE: Octal and Hexadecal!
By ahock on 3/28/2007 8:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
Seems Pat is confident on Penryn's speed which can scale above 3GHz. If Barcelona makes true to their promise, Intel can scale the speed up to be competitive. This will be interesting. Seems also that Intel is not giving up is leadership that easily to AMD.


AMD should purchase Creative, Ageia, and AIseek
By hellokeith on 3/28/2007 9:35:27 PM , Rating: 1
In line with the ATI purchase, AMD should also purchase Creative for sound expertise particularly in the EMU line, Ageia for physics processing, and AIseek for artificial intelligence processing. Then we could see multi-purpose add-in cards that offer true value (accelerate a variety of processes) as well as dedicated processing cores right on the CPU. This would give AMD something that Intel does not have and demonstrate real competition in the computing market.




By JoKeRr on 3/28/2007 11:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
As if AMD doesn't have enough debt in the first place from the purchase of ATI? 2.5 billion USD is a lot of borrowed money, and I'm not sure how much more cash flow AMD can generate with existing low margins and relatively uncompetitive products.


I know, I know...
By Kougar on 3/29/2007 7:58:28 AM , Rating: 3
I actually believe the stated 40% better performance number AMD gave for Barcelona compared with Clovertown. Intel said exactly the same back with Conroe long before it launched, and AMD is a company that actually doesn't try to throw up PR flak unless it's grounded in something. That said, I am finally truly worried about AMD.

Intel is about to turn every last major architecture advantage against AMD with Nehalem, but AMD has yet to reply to Conroe. I've read even less about future AMD processor plans than I have K10's performance numbers, and that by itself should be worrying. I don't forsee them vanishing anytime soon, but unless they can get themselves back up to speed in future chip design then I don't see them regaining a foothold with the performance/performance per watt after Nehalem arrives. There just won't be any architecture advantages left in their dusty basket to rely upon.

Especially if AMD decides to push high-K dielectrics/metal gate processes back as far as the 32nm node, which according to the last DT article on the subject happens to be a very real possibility. And according to this article, this new FAB technology will have not only a major impact on power consumption but also possible clockspeeds.

With that in mind, a shrink of K10 to 45nm in 2008 in time for Nehalem is not enough by itself with Intel's CSI+IMC combination, mature 45nm process production, and ability to outproduce and outyield AMD. Unless AMD pulls out a mythical ace from under their sleeve, I think ATI/the GPU division will end up bearing the burden of the company after Nehalem.

The best case scenario I see is AMD deciding to use the new FAB processes on their 45nm shrink, and being able to draw around level with Intel, but that is only best case. For all intents and purposes they have nothing left after that except Fusion and R700.




quote?
By johnsonx on 3/28/2007 8:36:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"The majority of the Intel Northbridge is already on the Nehalem die, so adding the final logic to include graphics is essentially non-trivial with the correct bus support."


That statement doesn't exactly make sense. Perhaps they meant 'trivial' rather than 'non-trivial'?




2 Cores in one ! ! !
By crystal clear on 3/29/2007 6:06:22 AM , Rating: 2
Quote-

"High-end server Nehalem-family processors have eight cores. Coupled with 2-way threading, these processors appear as 16 logical CPUs. This threading is dynamic: threads can be powered on and off depending on the application needs....."

Unquote-
"Intel Details Upcoming New Processor Generations" -
(link the above article to the article below)

"Sun and Intel Announce Landmark Agreement"

SAN FRANCISCO , Jan. 22, 2007 – Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Nasdaq: SUNW) and Intel Corporation today announced a broad strategic alliance centred on Intel's endorsement of the Solaris* Operating System and Sun's commitment to deliver a comprehensive family of enterprise and telecommunications servers and workstations based on Intel® Xeon® processors. The scope of the agreement spans Solaris, Java* and NetBeans* software and Intel® Xeon® microprocessors, as well as other Intel and Sun enterprise-class technologies. The alliance also includes joint engineering, design and marketing efforts...........
...... ....................

We're excited about Intel's long term Xeon road map and the performance we're seeing with Solaris and Sun Java on the Xeon platforms," said Jonathan Schwartz, president and CEO, Sun Microsystems, Inc. "And Intel's endorsement for and agreement to OEM Solaris opens markets for both of us across the world. This is truly a landmark relationship for the industry."

"We're thrilled to be working with Sun to make Solaris on Intel Xeon processors a great solution for our enterprise customers worldwide," said Paul Otellini, president and CEO, Intel. "Bringing together the best technologies from both Sun and Intel will result in innovative products for years to come."

http://www.intel.com/ca/pressroom/2007/0122.htm

Hardware + Software = One Package deal




By darkavatar on 3/29/2007 2:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
It's always appearing whenever one of them has some news to say.
Enough already. Wait for the benchmarks.

In the mean time, lets talk about that picture.
It's pretty late here (~3AM) and I think my eyes can't focus correctly, and my head is spinning but that sure looks like a Pen.. P... Pe.... Did I said something about Intel vs AMD ?




none
By shiznit on 3/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: none
By shiznit on 3/28/2007 7:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
us*


RE: none
By StevoLincolnite on 3/29/2007 1:21:26 AM , Rating: 3
AMD will not be wiped out, AMD has good enough ties with OEM's to remain fiscally viable, Which is something that ATI did in the old days of 3dfx Voodoo 1, 2, TNT 1 and 2, Matrox, SiS, S3 Savage, Power VR, ATI Didn't have the Fastest Graphics card on the market, And while several companies were going out of business, ATI held strong ties with OEM's and remained alive, then they came back with a vengance after they released 7500/8500 series, and then blew everyone out of the Water with the Radeon 9500 and 9700 Processors, And yet the 8500 Price performance wiped the floor with the Geforce 4 MX440's back in the day.

So Intel MAY have the best performing Processors, But AMD has ties with OEM's and will be around for a long time to come.

Also... Does anyone know what happened to the graphics company XGI? I remember about the V8 Series of graphics cards, But was never sure of they're performance or how good they're drivers were. I know S3 Came back with they're chrome series of cards... Matrox hasn't released anything since the Parhelia...

**********
*Dribbles* 12MB of CACHE!? I can remember on the pentium 3's when 512k of cache was ALOT! (Before they moved the cache on-die).


RE: none
By Belard on 3/29/2007 3:56:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah... the XGI Card with single and dual core cards.

XGI said they'll make profit in 2005 and be world leaders by 2007.... in reality, in 2003 - their $450+ video card was WAY SLOWER than the 5600Ultra & 9600 Pro - which were $150~200 cards. Their $200 (singe chip) version was even slower...

Here's an old Link: http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/11/07/a_new_graph... ouch, almost 1/3 the performance of the BIG BOYS's $500 cards!

Too bad... more competition is good.


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