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Mobile is a work in progress for Intel, but at least it's finally "really there" says new mobile chief

Intel Corp. (INTC) has big plans for x86 smartphones.  Its capable first showingMedfield, demonstrated that Intel could make a decent smartphone system-on-a-chip, even if besting the cream of the ARM Holdings plc (LON:ARM) licensee crop was a work in progress.

I. x86 Windows Phones?  Perhaps.

Intel's initial efforts have focused on Android.  But the company says it's also leaving the door open to another licensed third-party operating system -- Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Phone.  

Hermann Eul, president of Intel's Mobile Communications Group, spoke to the IDG News service at Computex 2012 about the possibility.  He comments, "We would be [interested] when we see [the Windows Phone] market has a good chance to return our money that we have invested into this.  Our roadmap has devices that can support Windows also on phones. So we can do that. The hooks for doing that [are] there."

Nokia Lumia 900
Intel hasn't ruled out x86 Windows Phones. [Image Source: Jason Mick/DailyTech]

Currently, the only smartphone operating system supported by Medfield other than Android is Tizen -- an alternative Linux-based operating system.  The Tizen project recent merged in the code of Meego OS after Intel's Meego partner Nokia Oyj. (OMX:NOK1Vabandoned the project for Windows Phone.

Tizen is also backed by Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930), but Samsung has yet to launch devices using the experimental OS.  Of the nebulous project Intel would only say, "The current trend of statistics is pretty clear, Android is gaining the largest share of the market so that is where the money is.  We support Tizen as well, we haven't announced any product on this, but being in the Tizen alliance it's clear we are also engaged there."

II. From Competitor to Champion: How Intel Plans to Step up Its Mobile Game

Currently, Intel is selling only one single-core smartphone chip SKU -- the Z2460 (a second chip, the single-core 1 GHz Z2000 has been offered, but Intel has no buyers yet).  

But later this year a new chip -- the Z2580 will launch.  That new chip will bump to a dual-core design, as well as add on-die HSPA+ and LTE.  Then in 2013 Intel's best chance at dethroning ARM, the 22 nm die-shrink Merrifield will land.  Intel hopes to follow up with an improved version of the Z2000 for lighter-weight budget smartphones and feature phones.  And then in 2014 it has plans for both an architecture boost and a die shrink to 14 nm.


Intel's tri-gate transistors will boost next year's mobile die-shrink.

For now, despite lacking volume, Mr. Eul says he considers the project a success in that it's generating buzz and dispelling misconceptions about Intel's mobile chances.  He states, "We see substantial interest in our platforms in particular after customers really see the devices in the market and see Intel is really there. With that all the badmouthing on power consumption, and cannot do it, and so on is put to rest."

Intel's efforts in 2012 have impressed, but the company has a tough road ahead if it wants to go from simply "really [being] there" to being a chip that manufacturers will pick over rival designs from Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) or NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) for their smartphones.

Source: ComputerWorld



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Full version of windows?
By Lazarus52980 on 6/6/2012 12:22:33 PM , Rating: 2
Would a x86 phone be able to run a full version of windows like a tablet is going to be able to?




RE: Full version of windows?
By NellyFromMA on 6/6/2012 12:59:22 PM , Rating: 2
In theory, yes. It's probably all about the drivers at that point


RE: Full version of windows?
By dark matter on 6/6/2012 1:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
In reality, why would you want to.


RE: Full version of windows?
By AMDftw on 6/6/2012 1:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
I would, as long it has USB.


RE: Full version of windows?
By Bubbacub on 6/6/2012 2:03:54 PM , Rating: 3
so you can dock your phone into a dumb tablet/laptop casing.

you would get true convergence - you would only need one device - no shuffling files around and syncing anymore.

keep all your data, files, work with you in your pocket at all times.

my computing needs would be fine with a quick dual core netbook type cpu.

all i need is the core OS (linux/windows not bothered), ms office, chrome, torrent program, gimp, civ3/alpha centauri


RE: Full version of windows?
By Chapbass on 6/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Full version of windows?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/6/2012 2:36:35 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
In reality, why would you want to.


Momma always said "no such thing as stupid questions."

Well momma was wrong!


RE: Full version of windows?
By Aries1470 on 6/8/2012 7:34:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In theory, yes. It's probably all about the drivers at that point

I can not understand the part in theory .
It has already been done. Tsk-tsk.
Here is a link - from last year (2011) :
http://www.gizmag.com/fujitsu-windows7-f07c-mobile...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/26/fujitsu-loox-f-...
http://gizmodo.com/fujitsu-f07c/
http://www.gsmarena.com/fujitsu_loox_f07c_dualboot...

I guess people can use their prefered search engine to search for more ;-)


mmmmm
By kleinma on 6/6/2012 1:05:20 PM , Rating: 5
Everytime I see their tri-gate transistor pics I get a hankering for waffle fries.. mmmmm




RE: mmmmm
By Mitch101 on 6/7/2012 9:29:24 AM , Rating: 2
Unless those are McDonalds fries on the left bottom of the bag run aways yumm.

Though I do like those new Wendy's fries with sea salt.


µArchitecture
By name99 on 6/6/2012 3:49:52 PM , Rating: 1
For everyone cheering how this represents the impending triumph of Intel over ARM, note the fact that there is no new µArch here, and won't be until 2014.

This is Intel's weak point in trying to push the full x86 package into mobile --- the chips are so damn complicated that it takes forever for a new one to be designed and validated. In the time it has taken Intel to get from current atom to the 2014 µArch, ARM has gone through A8, A9, A15, and the upcoming µArch for the ARM-64 instruction set.
No-one doubts that Intel have the best process engineers in the world. But they are laboring under a ridiculous disadvantage trying to maintain that full x86 burden.




RE: µArchitecture
By Reflex on 6/6/2012 5:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
In two years Intel went from non-existent in the market to a competitive product. Where do you think they will be two years from now?

Also, the idea that x86 is a huge burden is dated from the 90's RISC vs CISC debate. It is not relevent, it was never a real issue, and in embedded devices with low power utilization a complex instruction set is actually prefferable. Essentially it permits a CPU to do more with less physical hardware. This is really noticable in Medfield where a single core is competing with dual core ARM designs, despite using similiar levels of power. Technologies like HyperThreading maximize the utilization of the core, and make almost no sense on a RISC design like ARM.


RE: µArchitecture
By name99 on 6/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: µArchitecture
By StevoLincolnite on 6/6/2012 11:40:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Also, the idea that x86 is a huge burden is dated from the 90's RISC vs CISC debate. It is not relevent, it was never a real issue, and in embedded devices with low power utilization a complex instruction set is actually prefferable.


+1
People seem to forget that the Pentium MMX was fully x86 compliant yet had a transistor budget of around 3 million.
Sure it lacks functionality such as SSE, VM etc'.

But it shows that x86 itself isn't that much of a burden, especially when you consider today's chips count in the billions of transistors.

As fabrication process's get smaller, so does the % cost of retaining x86.


Another vote for x86 phones
By MadAd on 6/8/2012 12:29:01 AM , Rating: 2
Id love to be able to write my own scripts like a windows machine on software that runs on either

I wont have apple and android seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel, locking out the customers in the meantime

I just want to run my stuff ive got used to in the way im used to running it, id buy an x86 sp in a heartbeat if it ran desktop apps and wasnt locked in to a damn app store




Yawn.
By dark matter on 6/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Yawn.
By NellyFromMA on 6/6/2012 1:13:52 PM , Rating: 3
Well, as it exists now probably no one. However, all signs point to WP8 basically being a version of Win8 so ultimately I think that's where the x86 relevance regarding Windows Phone comes into play.


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