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International Square Kilometre Array  (Source: kurzweilai.net)
The idea is to develop fast, but low-power exascale computer systems for the international Square Kilometre Array

IBM has partnered with ASTRON, the Netherlands Institute for Radio Astronomy, for a five-year, 32.9 million euro ($43.8 million USD) venture to develop efficient exascale computer systems for the international Square Kilometre Array (SKA).

ASTRON is one of the top developers of SKA, which is an international consortium to create the world's largest, ultra-sensitive radio telescope. The new SKA telescope is estimated to be completed in 2024, and will explore dark matter, evolving galaxies and even the origins of the universe. IBM said the amount of processing power needed for the telescope to function will be several millions of today's fastest and most powerful computers.

To reach that amount of computing power, the new SKA telescope will need technology and data transfer links that reaches far beyond what is available today. At the same time, it's important for SKA's exascale computer systems to be fast, yet low-power. To achieve these goals, ASTRON has agreed to collaborate with IBM for five years and 32.9 million euro ($43.8 million USD).

The partnership, which is called DOME to reflect the famous Swiss mountain as well as the cover on telescopes, aims to research technologies capable of handling exascale computing, storage processes and data transport on a large scale, but that is also energy efficient. More specifically, IBM and ASTRON will look into advanced accelerators and 3D stacked chips as well as new optical interconnect technologies and nanophotonics for both efficient computing and large data transfers. As far as storage goes, revolutionary tape systems and phase-change memory tech will be researched.

"If you take the current global daily Internet traffic and multiply it by two, you are in the range of the data set that the Square Kilometre Array radio telescope will be collecting every day," said Ton Engbersen of IBM Research. "This is Big Data Analytics to the extreme. With DOME, we will embark on one of the most dataintensive science projects ever planned, which will eventually have much broader applications beyond radio astronomy research."

Between ASTRON's experience with SKA and IBM's research and methodologies regarding realistic, yet powerful and efficient computer systems, the DOME partnership is expected to make the new SKA telescope a reality. DOME received funding from the Netherlands, the Province of Drenthe, and the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs, Agriculture and Innovation.

"Large research infrastructures like the SKA require extremely powerful computer systems to process all the data," said Marco de Vos, Managing Director of ASTRON. "The only acceptable way to build and operate these systems is to dramatically reduce their power consumption. DOME gives us unique opportunities to try out new approaches in Green Supercomputing. This will be beneficial for society at large as well."

Source: IBM



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The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/2/2012 2:29:58 PM , Rating: 4
Now this is the innovative power of science. To accomplish making the array and solve the data problem it poses, they have a reason to leap our computer technology way forward beyond what the meandering market pace of consumer electronics is pushing. The benefits we'd all get would be so immense...

I hope this helps to illustrate to the common man how important science is--simply from pushing the boundaries of what can be done, and how those innovations change our daily world remarkable. Just like with NASA and the old space race developing computers, or CERN and the grid computing system technologies slowly trickling into our consumer internet and vastly speeding it up.

Science benefits everyone, and just the challenges we have to solve to -do- science gives such revolutionary value. We really need to stop under funding it.




RE: The mother of innovation
By Motoman on 4/2/2012 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
You know what else science gave us? Pop-Tarts.

Think about that, you science-hating denialists. No science...no motherf%cking Pop-Tarts.

<shudders>

the horror!


RE: The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/2/2012 3:02:51 PM , Rating: 3
Heck yeah! Give me some brown sugar cinnamon poptarts any day of the week!


RE: The mother of innovation
By Mitch101 on 4/2/2012 7:32:01 PM , Rating: 2
Where is the FDA and support groups on brown sugar poptarts? Just overlook these badboys and worry about crack, cocaine, and crystal meth but we all know poptarts are just as addictive.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Samus on 4/3/2012 3:30:20 AM , Rating: 2
Did I seriously just read this after hitting the bong?


RE: The mother of innovation
By Kurz on 4/2/2012 3:51:11 PM , Rating: 2
There is always an ever increasing demand for more powerful, more efficient Computers.

The Market has made leaps and bounds in this regard.
Though no everyone wants an Extrascale computer to look at Radio Waves... So the market it for it is tiny reserved only for the big pocketed Governments who see value in it.


RE: The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/2/2012 4:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Things like phase change memory, race track memory and storage tapes, memristors, and so many other incredibly powerful "exotic" technologies have been around for a long time. But there's no reason yet for the market to push those technologies forward; it's a huge risk to develop them! The market only cares mostly about keeping a constant profit pace, which is best served by just iteratively upgrading our current technology paradigms through die shrinks. When was the last time we had a major breakthrough in the function of RAM? Even things like SSDs are sluggishly advancing into the market.

To bring radical new technologies into play, a huge scientific project like this radio telescope are necessary. That's what leaps us forward. Sure the market would probably eventually, slowly, explore those new technologies, but most will just sit forever as unused IP. Science on the other hand will turn those ideas into production reality to overcome the hurdles that stand in its way, not caring solely about profit or a return on investment in the sense of market; it gladly takes the risks of development and finds the best solution to its problem. And in the process, making those exotics an actually mass produce reality, now makes them accessible to the entire market, and thus the average person.

And that is how our technology explodes forward. Every ambitious science endeavor has vastly increased our common every day technological level, simply by attempting to fulfill the scientific mission--not even taking into consideration what the science itself discovered in the end.

Basically, what we will discover in making this array a reality will be even more valuable to practical electronics than what the array will discover about the universe.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Pirks on 4/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: The mother of innovation
By titanmiller on 4/2/2012 11:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
Please never type "noone" again. Thank you.


RE: The mother of innovation
By connor4312 on 4/3/2012 3:04:50 AM , Rating: 2
Your post is ridiculous. For example, where do you think the Internet came from? Projects like this. The internet was originally developed as a scientific project for the military. I dunno about you, but IMHO the internet is now a consumer level technology.

Moral of the story: No one likes a fanboy.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Pirks on 4/3/2012 12:13:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
where do you think the Internet came from
From UI/design visionaries similar to Steve Jobs, for instance one of them is Jeff Bezos. Who would use your "internet" without nice UI layer on top of it, like Amazon? No one.

Moral of the story: don't be dumb, look beyond bits, bytes and network switches.


RE: The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/2/2012 4:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
I guess another way to look at it is like this:

- Science is advancing technology to solve a problem (computing twice the data rate of the entire internet with all its computers and mobile devices).

- The market advances technology to make the next shiny gadget people might be willing to buy.

Changing technology just enough to make people buy it all over again (iPad 2 versus new iPad) is a far cry away from the advancements necessary to crunch two whole internets worth of information -every day-.


RE: The mother of innovation
By smackababy on 4/2/2012 4:41:43 PM , Rating: 2
So this is scheduled for a 2024 release. Let's look at the Pentium 3 10 years ago... I'd say in that time we have made leaps in technology.

Comparing a product that is updated nearly every year to technology advancement pace is silly. Regardless of that, the iPad has 2x the amount of pixels and has the same or better performance in a years time. Seems like a big deal. Imagine if computer processing power doubled every year.


RE: The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/2/2012 5:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
The new iPad is 2x the pixel pushing performance because they stuck a second dual core GPU next to the original dual core GPU. They doubled the amount of hardware and got double the performance. No mystery, no great advance. And it comes at a near doubling the amount of energy used by the device (hence the massive battery) and much greater heat production.

That is not a fundamental advance or paradigm shift in the base technology like spintronics or phase change memory or any of the other exotics needed to make exocale a reality would be.

Also, you're thinking about the wrong Pentium. The Pentium 4 came out November 20, 2000, that's almost 12 years ago, or the length of time until this technology is supposed to be finished and the array fully operational. And P4s are still sold to this day in applications where you don't need multicore performance. Think about that.

Is there a sigifnicant change in the base technology between a P4 and a Ivy Bridge? Nope. Just interative improvements in design and most critically die shrinks. The only real new technology breakthrough is the 3D gates on the transistors. That is a real change in the base technology, if minor.

Also, don't think that as technology for this array project is built that it won't leak out bit by bit into the consumer space. We won't have to wait till 2024 for IBM and others to already be starting to put to other uses the production technology they have to invent and move from a lab to the real world for this exoscale project--assuming the project is successful to any degree. And hey, it could always fail, that's what makes it a risk, and also why businesses themselves are loath to try such a big fundamental game changing project like this, unlike science.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Reclaimer77 on 4/2/2012 9:56:07 PM , Rating: 1
You need to tone down the rhetoric just a bit here. Are you their new PR guy or something?

To say this project will explode our current rate of technological advancement in the field of computer electronics where the market has failed seems a bit naive.

Let's be honest here. I've seen stories like this multiple times a year for decades now. Very rarely do we see a direct technological trickle down from it. There's always some amazing "breakthrough" right around the corner, then it disappears and we hear nothing else about it.

quote:
And hey, it could always fail, that's what makes it a risk, and also why businesses themselves are loath to try such a big fundamental game changing project like this, unlike science.


Okay I don't know why you keep referring to "science" as if it's some great autonomous force, but anyway, you show a clear lack of understanding in how things work. A scientist might come up with a computer that's 400 times faster and more energy efficient than what we have today, but it's businesses taking risks that figure out how to make it affordable and marketable. Assuming that's even possible in the first place with current technology and manufacturing processes.

Do me a favor, when you find a computer product that has "Made by Science" stamped on it, and not a business, you give me a call.


RE: The mother of innovation
By geddarkstorm on 4/3/2012 2:06:01 AM , Rating: 2
You seriously misunderstand.

The market hasn't failed in any sense. It simply doesn't have the motivation to spur people to take the risk on exploring such advanced concepts for new technologies. How is that anything new or novel to say? Don't you understand how business even works, and what is necessary to make a successful one? A scientific endeavor is not limited by such constraints, and so can do the off the wall stuff that the market later down the road finds a use for.

quote:
Let's be honest here. I've seen stories like this multiple times a year for decades now. Very rarely do we see a direct technological trickle down from it.


What are you talking about? ALL technology is born this way.

quote:
Do me a favor, when you find a computer product that has "Made by Science" stamped on it, and not a business, you give me a call.


Reclaimer, you are rarely this intentionally ignorant. ALL computers are "made by science". Scientists researched and developed computers. Scientists researched and developed the internet. Some were employed by industry, some were employed by the military. But all computer products come straight from scientific R&D.

Don't you realize that industry spends more on scientific R&D than the government and academia combined?

What I've been talking about is motivation. Necessity is the mother of all innovation--and the necessity for completely new foundational computer technology to meet the needs of this array breeds motivation for an innovation speed that cannot be fueled through any other source but War.

The market is slow at innovating compared to the challenges science presents. And that's why if you want to advance our technology rapidly, you invest in science. That's what I'm simply saying; I honestly have no idea where your ideas came from, but they were so out there I doubt they even caught a glimpse of left field.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Paj on 4/3/2012 7:53:19 AM , Rating: 1
The technology that is going to power the next generation of cool shit already exists. In labs everywhere, people are demonstrating examples of awesome, cool shit that works every day. Sometimes these labs are run by governments, sometimes corporations, often partnerships between the two, as in the SKA.

Do you really think the first iphone came out in 2007? They would have had a working model of it well before that, and the various technologies within it would have been working and demonstrated years before 2007. The Wi Fi technology that we consider a 'modern' invention was functioning in labs in the early 1990s.

Sometimes the tech in question isnt quite ready for market yet though. Maybe its too big, runs to hot, costs too much, doesnt have the necessary economies of scale, is too hard to manufacture cheaply with current techniques. But its there.

Sometimes, the reason the tech isn't in products yet is, in many cases, due to commercial reasons. Maybe there's still more money to be made from current generation hardware. Maybe companies made too many units of the previous model that they need to shift. Product life cycles need to run their course. Profit forecasts need to be met. It's often economically prudent not to play all your cards at once, but to slowly let them trickle out over a period of years or even decades to maximise profits.


RE: The mother of innovation
By Proxicon on 4/5/2012 10:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
RAMBUS was gonna be Huuuuuge!


RE: The mother of innovation
By modus2 on 4/3/2012 9:01:58 AM , Rating: 2
I think you overestimate the size of this project ($43.8M), Intel alone spent $6.2B in 2010 on R&D. That being said IBM have a good track record for researching HPC, just that the kind of money involved here sound more like they are going to combine emerging technologies from other sources rather than actually build from scratch themselves.


OK seriously...
By Motoman on 4/2/2012 2:12:39 PM , Rating: 3
...did anyone *not* read that as "ASSTRON?"




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