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Sonata Hybrid

Sonata Turbo
Hyundai drops a few bombs on the midsize sedan market

Hyundai is continuing its steady stream of product updates with two more iterations of the all-new Sonata. We've already discussed the Sonata on a few occasions here on DailyTech, but Hyundai today released official details on both the new Sonata Hybrid and the Sonata Turbo.

First up is the new Sonata Hybrid. The new hybrid features revised front and rear bodywork to make it stand apart from the standard Sonata models. The body revisions also help the Sonata Hybrid to better slip through the air.

Most importantly, however, is the new Hyundai "Hybrid Blue Drive" powertrain. A 169 hp, 2.4-liter four cylinder engine is paired with a 40 hp electric motor and a lithium-ion battery pack. The Sonata Hybrid eschews the continuously variable transmission (CVT) that is typically used in hybrid vehicles and instead uses a more traditional six-speed automatic transmission.

When all is said and done, the 3,457-pound Sonata Hybrid (263 pounds lighter than the Ford Fusion Hybrid) is able to achieve city fuel economy of 37 mpg and highway fuel economy of 39 mpg. For comparison, the Ford Fusion Hybrid achieves figures of 41 mpg and 36 mpg respectively.

The other big news from Hyundai is the announcement of the Sonata Turbo. We've previously discussed that Hyundai has done away with a V6 engine option for the all-new Sonata. Following the announcement of Sonata Turbo, we can see why. The Sonata Turbo uses a new 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine which develops an impressive 274 hp and 269 lb-ft of torque (maximum torque is achieved at a low 1,800 rpm) -- all while using regular unleaded gasoline.

Even more embarrassing for its V6-powered competitors like Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, and Honda Accord is the fact that the tiny little turbo four surpasses all of them in horsepower and torque figures. The Sonata Turbo will also delivery fuel economy of 22 mpg city and 34 mpg highway -- not far off from the standard 198 hp Sonata. For comparison, the closest V6 competitor to the Sonata Turbo in fuel economy is the Honda Accord V6 which is rated at 19 mpg city and 29 mpg highway.

With these two announcements, Hyundai appears to be having no problem at all moving towards the governments goal of increased fuel efficiency for passenger vehicles.



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All I want to know is...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 3:46:40 PM , Rating: 2
When are they gonna put that 274 hp turbo 4 into the Genesis Coupe to replace the weaksauce 2.0 turbo in there now? :-)




RE: All I want to know is...
By Finnkc on 3/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: All I want to know is...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 4:04:51 PM , Rating: 4
The Genesis Coupe is more like a poor man's G37 since it has four seats. The 370Z only has two.

That being said, the Genesis Coupe starts at $22,000 and the 370Z starts at $30,000 -- not even in the same ballpark.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Anoxanmore on 3/31/2010 4:43:42 PM , Rating: 1
This powerplant needs to go into the Tiburon.

Now that is a weak engine.


RE: All I want to know is...
RE: All I want to know is...
By Anoxanmore on 3/31/2010 5:50:34 PM , Rating: 2
Awww... sad day I liked the newest Tiburon styling :(


RE: All I want to know is...
By wiz220 on 3/31/2010 7:57:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I thought the Genesis coupe WAS the replacement for the Tiburon. That Veloster looks more like a crossover style to me, tough to tell with the camouflage though.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 8:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
No, the Genesis Coupe is its own seperate RWD line. The FWD Tiburon is being replaced by the FWD Veloster. You can see pics of the concept in the second link I posted. It's clearly not a crossover.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Runiteshark on 3/31/10, Rating: 0
RE: All I want to know is...
By MADAOO7 on 4/1/2010 9:23:07 PM , Rating: 2
Really?

Edmunds compared the 2009 370Z and the 2010 Mustang GT and had this to say:

quote:
The 3,572-pound Mustang is still geared too tall. This dulls the V8's snappiness, an impression exacerbated by the Mustang's overly soft engine mounts. As a result, driveline lash is a companion at low speeds. Pay close attention and you can also feel the powertrain lurching about during quick transient handling maneuvers, such as rapid lane changes. With that said, the Mustang's initial turn into a corner is immediate, almost disconcertingly so since the steering is lifeless and doesn't build effort commensurate with the movements of the chassis. The new car is an improvement over previous Mustangs, but it doesn't hold a candle to the way the 2009 Nissan 370Z responds to steering inputs.


http://www.insideline.com/nissan/370z/2009/compari...


RE: All I want to know is...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/2/2010 10:06:30 AM , Rating: 2
The review is of the 2010 Mustang GT. The person you're responding to is talking about the 2011 Mustang GT which has the new 5.0 liter V8 and should kick 370Z ass.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Spuke on 4/2/2010 11:52:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
2011 Mustang GT which has the new 5.0 liter V8 and should kick 370Z ass.
Not to mention, the report of the 2011 GT with Track Pack lapping Gingerman at the same time as the M3!!!! IDK man but that just might make up for the lack of IRS.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Mojo the Monkey on 4/2/2010 4:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
But the point of his quote from the article is also that the handling is very unrefined - a classic characteristic of the american muscle car... which many people simply cannot look past.


RE: All I want to know is...
By zmatt on 4/2/2010 5:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
The mustang is a joke as far as sports cars go. Half is performance, the other half is feel, both of which the mustang has none. The suspension is soft and antiquated, and until the 2011 model, so was the engine. If you have to buy a mustang either get a classic one where all of those shortcomings were acceptable back then, or get a Roush where they solved all of those problems. A stage 3 can beat a GT500 around a track easy and has much less power.

IMO the genesis coupe is badass, it nips as the Z heels and gives Hyundai a real rwd sports car, something that the Tiby never was. Not to mention that almost all reviews about it are glowing, the v6 is a sure thing and it handles as sports cars should.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Alexvrb on 3/31/2010 7:59:12 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't that kill sales of their V6 variant, especially given the potential fuel economy gains? I'm guessing they'll put it in there when they drop the 6 cylinder, perhaps at the next redesign. Or else they'll beef up the V6 too, and sell them side by side - possibly dropping the 4.6L?

Anyway looking at this turbo'd 2.0, it seems kind of like they took the LNF design and improved on it a bit. I hope it's as durable.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 8:11:26 PM , Rating: 3
The 3.8 V6 is rumored to get direct injection which would push HP from 306 to around 350+. That would leave plenty of distance between it and the Turbo 4. Both powertrains should show up for the '12 refresh.


RE: All I want to know is...
By Alexvrb on 3/31/2010 8:37:17 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting. Where does that leave the 4.6L? They'll have to do some major shuffling. I hope they're not just piling engines out the door. Granted its easier for them to do stuff like this, since they're a smaller, more nimble company, compared to some of the "big dogs" on the block.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 8:46:24 PM , Rating: 2
Well, Hyundai says that it won't use the V8 in the Genesis Coupe anyway, so you can disregard it.

However, Hyundai is supposedly working on a 5.0-liter version of the 4.6-liter Tau V8 used in the Genesis Sedan which should be good for 400+ HP. The 4.6 currently produces 368 hp.


Way to go Hyundai
By Sazabi19 on 3/31/2010 3:52:29 PM , Rating: 5
I have to say, a few years ago (or possibly even up till a few months ago) i would have never even considered a Hyundai. I looked through their vehicles almost as a courtesy to myself just to make sure they had no good offerings when i purchased my first car. They were really not even a consideration for me. Now they have really stepped up the game and seem to be doing a 180. They have good new cars coming out and really nice warranties. The prices for these are nice as well, I have to say that I am genuinely impressed. Way to go Hyundai and keep it going, let's get others to start doing this!




RE: Way to go Hyundai
By Pirks on 3/31/2010 10:26:02 PM , Rating: 2
I tried new Accent as a rental car two months ago and the rear passenger windows were constantly misty/foggy no matter how hot the heater was blowing. After that experience I don't think I'd get a Hyundai, let'em ripen up for a few more years I say.


RE: Way to go Hyundai
By jonmcc33 on 4/1/2010 12:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 2006 Sonata V6 with zero problems of "fogging". I got it in 2008 and never thought I'd even consider a Hyundai. After owning this Sonata I highly recommend them. The 10 year, 100K mile powertrain warranty cannot be beat in my book.


RE: Way to go Hyundai
By esandrs on 4/1/2010 1:39:31 PM , Rating: 2
I also have a '07 Sonata with no fogging issues. Really sounds like dirty windows to me.

I had a friend with a new Chevy Cavalier (a long time ago) who had continuous window fogging issues. There was some kind of residue/film on the interior glass when it shipped from the manufacturer. After several months of "dealing with it" he got out the Windex(tm) and paper towels. That fixed the problem in about 5 minutes.


RE: Way to go Hyundai
By Mojo the Monkey on 4/2/2010 4:22:03 PM , Rating: 3
I've experienced the same thing with the same solution. Clearly the guy who rented the Accent just doesnt get the difference between a common annoyance and a manufacturing defect.


RE: Way to go Hyundai
By 91TTZ on 4/6/2010 4:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
I used to get window fogging issues when I used to put Armor All on my dash. It made the interior plastics look good but it would leave a film on the glass that kept coming back.


RE: Way to go Hyundai
By T2k on 3/31/2010 11:47:22 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I am not planning to buy any car anytime soon but I would put Hyundai on my list, next to Subaru if I would be in the market now.


Nearing 300HP from 4 Cylinders
By Shig on 3/31/2010 4:19:43 PM , Rating: 2
All I have to say is...

Niiiiiicccceeeeeeeeeee




RE: Nearing 300HP from 4 Cylinders
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 4:24:37 PM , Rating: 3
Granted, Subaru and Mitsubishi have been doing this for years, albeit with strung out, premium sucking, gas hogging turbo four-bangers.


RE: Nearing 300HP from 4 Cylinders
By spread on 3/31/2010 4:57:48 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need premium for those engines. You can put 89 in a turbo engine no problem, 87 octane if the engine has a small turbo with little boost... like the Subaru WRX.


RE: Nearing 300HP from 4 Cylinders
By Alexvrb on 3/31/2010 8:29:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, although performance does suffer a bit on lower octane fuel. Oh, and they do get somewhat poor gas mileage... not that you'd care much if you are in that market. Anyway the WRX utilizes a 2.5L, and the small-turbo WRX variant produces considerably less power and torque than this Hyundai (supposedly on 87 octane too). The STI obviously produces a lot more power, but I don't recommend 87 or even really 89 octane for that beast. The Evo on the other hand has a pretty impressive 2.0L engine, at least from the aspect of "woo hoo, nearly 300HP from a stock 2.0L".

However, by itself, looking at HP/cylinder or HP/L doesn't really help anyone. Looking at the power curves tells you much more, and looking at the final performance of a vehicle, including fuel economy, makes even more sense. If you built a 300/300 V6 and it got better mileage than a 300/300 L4 (all else remaining equal, same body, trans, gearing, etc), I'd say the V6 is more impressive.


RE: Nearing 300HP from 4 Cylinders
By EJ257 on 4/1/2010 10:09:18 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't that because the recommended octane they have in the owner's manual is based on the Japanese standard? US 87 octane is equivalent to 91 octane in Japan and that's what they tell you to use anyway.


impressive
By tastyratz on 3/31/2010 3:37:41 PM , Rating: 2
kudos to hyundai, that kinda torque at 1800rpm is impressive. Must be electric assist, variable vane, or similar tech on the turbocharger.

Unexpected to say the least




RE: impressive
By snailfedbseries on 3/31/2010 5:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
or just a small turbocharger for that engine...


RE: impressive
By tastyratz on 4/1/2010 8:46:15 AM , Rating: 2
it would have to be a turbo too small to flow enough for 274hp to spool that quick. Not even a t25 would get enough boost at that threshold - that's probably north of 10psi. There is engine magic in there somewhere augmenting response.


RE: impressive
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/1/2010 9:06:36 AM , Rating: 3
From the PR that I linked in the article:

- 274 horsepower and 269 lb-ft of torque across a broad rpm range - 1,800 rpm - 4,500 rpm
- The stainless steel exhaust manifold and the twin-scroll turbine housing are cast in a patent pending one-piece design
- The waste-gate for the turbocharger uses a motor-driven electrical controller instead of being mechanically controlled
- Direct injection also utilizes a higher-than-normal 9.5:1 compression ratio while achieving a remarkable 137 horsepower-per-liter.
- Maximum boost from the turbocharger is 17.4 psi.


Hyundai's originality shines again
By Sazar on 3/31/2010 3:33:26 PM , Rating: 3
Those car's don't look ANYTHING like Honda Civic/Camry/CC inspired vehicles.

Also, the Fusion is a heavier car and yet nets the same/slightly better mileage? Good job Ford.

p.s. I am not a big fan of Hyundai's. Never liked companies that blatantly rip off another's design across their entire family.




RE: Hyundai's originality shines again
By Connoisseur on 3/31/2010 3:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
It DOES look bang-on like a Solara which is an ugly as sin car IMHO.


By Spuke on 4/2/2010 12:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It DOES look bang-on like a Solara which is an ugly as sin car IMHO.
Someone has one of these at work and it looks nothing like a Solara. It really looks good. Even the interior looks good.


By corduroygt on 3/31/2010 3:40:12 PM , Rating: 2
Big shiny grills suck, I wish we could have the turbo with the front of the Hybrid.




By RU482 on 4/2/2010 12:45:25 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, makes it seem like a Chrysler Sebring


And the price is...?
By hyvonen on 3/31/2010 5:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
This all sounds good - both the hybrid and the turbo.

But how many hard-earned dollars would I have to spend to get either one...?




RE: And the price is...?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 5:47:54 PM , Rating: 2
Hyundai CEO says the turbo will be priced below $25k. Don't know about the hybrid.


Hybrid transmission fail
By corduroygt on 3/31/2010 3:45:52 PM , Rating: 3
The CVT in Fusion Hybrid is not a CVT, it's a single speed planetary gearset with no clutches or torque convertors. It's geared like the cruising top gear of a standard manual transmission, and at low speeds where the engine wouldn't be able to power the vehicle sufficiently, the electric motor helps out. This is why the fusion hybrid gets 41 mpg city while being heavier and not using expensive (and better) li-ion batteries. The superior highway mileage of the sonata is due to lower weight and superior drag coefficient.

In other words, the hybrid is still not nearly as impressive as the Fusion, nor as efficient. I'd personally opt for the turbo myself.




Where did you get those numbers?
By threepac3 on 3/31/2010 3:27:29 PM , Rating: 2
Did the EPA release the MPG numbers yet?




Another to add to the list....
By rudolphna on 4/1/2010 12:08:21 AM , Rating: 2
Of turbo fours that are useful for everyday driving.

1. GM 2.0L DI Turbo
2. Ford Ecoboost Four
3. Hyundai Turbo Four

Interesting, the way the market is shaping up.




Hybrid front end
By BernardP on 4/1/2010 9:52:15 AM , Rating: 2
The hybrid's hexagonal grille looks so much better than the Mazda-like big smiley mouth of the regular model. The hexagonal grille also appears on the Veloster Concept.




turbo, DI, hybrid...
By sorry dog on 4/4/2010 7:17:18 PM , Rating: 1
I think all this tech going mainstream is great... except for one thing... can I get a manual?

Didn't think so.

I don't doubt that in the next year or two Ray Lahoodlum will issue a statement that manual transmissions are the cause of 8.7% of driver distractions, cause environmental damage from the ability to do drop clutch burnouts, and consumers will not be able to have them for next model year for their own safety.

Anybody wanna bet that Obama couldn't drive a manual to save his life?




Turbo powerplant
By NA1NSXR on 3/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: Turbo powerplant
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/31/2010 4:41:13 PM , Rating: 5
Why do the specs seem unbelievable? GM's direct injection 2.0-liter Ecotec four-banger produces 260/260 and has been in service for at least two years IIRC.

It's been used in the Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Redline, Chevy HHR, and Cobalt SS


RE: Turbo powerplant
By Alexvrb on 3/31/2010 8:09:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's been in use starting with the '07 Solstice and Sky. I'm hoping that in addition to the two fuel-miserly engines currently planned for the Cruze, they'll also produce a Cruze SS with an improved engine based on the LNF.

I am not sure if this new Hyundai has as good of a torque curve, but its basic stats surely seem impressive for stock. The LNF torque "curve" is completely flat, reaching peak torque at roughly 1800 and remaining at peak torque until almost redline.


RE: Turbo powerplant
By Spuke on 3/31/2010 11:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
The LNF is also in the Cobalt SS and HHR SS.

quote:
The LNF torque "curve" is completely flat, reaching peak torque at roughly 1800 and remaining at peak torque until almost redline.
In reality, the LNF makes peak torque till about 5800 rpm where it drops (along with hp) dramatically. It's an awesome engine and can go well into the 400 wheel hp range on the stock engine. There aren't too many (if any) people into the 500 wheel hp range on the LNF but it's speculated that it can go somewhere into the 500's where I believe the pistons become the weak link. The engine maybe more fuel limited than anything and no one's reached the stock fuel systems limits yet (at least not that I know of). BTW, I own a Solstice GXP. :)

I think you'll see more manufacturers following Hyundai's lead here unless someone can match these numbers with a DI V6 (not seen that yet). Personally, I'll take turbo's over displacement any day.


RE: Turbo powerplant
By Alexvrb on 4/1/2010 8:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
I was pointing out when it was first deployed (2007), since he wasn't aware it has been out for a little over 3 years. It didn't show up on the Cobalt and HHR platforms until 2008 models.

Regarding torque, it holds on to max torque until NEAR redline, like I said. 5800RPM is up near the end of the band on a stock LNF, they're torque and power monsters, not RPM queens. Also, given how hard they've been able to push this aggressive DI design, I highly doubt fuel is going to be holding it back until you hit some serious numbers.

Regarding DI V6s, both GM and Ford's DI V6s do pretty well in that regard. Of course, they'd do even better turbo'd...


RE: Turbo powerplant
By Spuke on 4/2/2010 12:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I was pointing out when it was first deployed (2007), since he wasn't aware it has been out for a little over 3 years.
I know, I'm just adding some more info.

quote:
Regarding torque, it holds on to max torque until NEAR redline, like I said. 5800RPM is up near the end of the band on a stock LNF, they're torque and power monsters, not RPM queens.
I know, I own one. :) You can get an upgrade from GM that does NOT void your warranty AND is CARB legal that ups power and torque to 290 hp and 340 lb-ft or torque (325 lb-ft for the autos and 315 lb-ft for the HHR SS).

Not disagreeing with you, just adding to the DI goodness.


RE: Turbo powerplant
By snailfedbseries on 3/31/2010 4:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
with peak torque at 1800 rpms from a turbo engine, i'd like to hear your defense for why your comment is not garbage


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