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Out with the old, in with the new

Despite the good price/performance ratio, HP's DLP televisions are on their way out in favor of LCD and plasma based sets. HP revealed its 2007 lineup of HDTV’s that will be on display at next week’s Consumer Electronics Show, and its roster of televisions no longer include DLPs.

According to an earlier report on the topic, HP has invested heavily in DLP technology -- making the move away from DLP a rather strange one. Market forces, such as increased demand and lower costs for flat panels, may have had something to do with the decision to concentrate on LCD and plasma.

When asked about its plans for new television products for this year Pat Kinley of HP Personal Systems Group explained, “During 2007, HP plans to concentrate engineering resources and marketing efforts towards the growth segments in the HDTV category, which include LCD and plasma TVs and home automation. As a result, we will sell through our existing 2006 inventory of MDTV [microdisplay TV] units and not introduce any new models next year.”

The company's 2007 product roadmap is as follows:

2007 HP Flat Panel Televisions

  • HP 1080p LC4276N 42-inch LCD TV
  • HP 1080p LC4776N 47-inch LCD TV
  • HP 720p LC3272N 32-inch LCD TV
  • HP 720p LC3772N 37-inch LCD TV
  • HP 720p LC4272N 42-inch LCD TV
  • HP PL4272N 42-inch plasma TV
  • HP PL5072N 50-inch plasma TV

2007 MediaSmart Televisions

  • HP 1080p 42-inch SL4278N MediaSmart LCD TV
  • HP 1080p 47-inch SL4778N MediaSmart LCD TV


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A bit early...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/5/2007 9:23:53 AM , Rating: 2
I think its a bit premature to conclude that DLP TVs are on their way out, just from the announcement of a single manufacturer.




RE: A bit early...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/5/2007 9:33:05 AM , Rating: 3
It was supposed to read "HP's DLP" as opposed to just "DLP."

Thanks


RE: A bit early...
By therealnickdanger on 1/5/2007 9:43:54 AM , Rating: 2
While vague, I think it's safe to say that the author meant this only for HP.

My first HDTV was a 50" Samsung DLP and I did not like it. I exchanged it for the highest-end Samsung, but it was still disappointing. While better than LCDs of the time, it just couldn't cut it. Frustrated, I decided to take home a plasma... and I haven't looked back since.

The only DLP I would ever consider at this point would be an ultra-high-end front-projector.


RE: A bit early...
By Snoop on 1/5/2007 10:10:40 AM , Rating: 2
I was impressed by my friends 50" Samsung DLP, that was until I bought a 50" Plasma, which just smokes the samsung on PQ, viewing angle, and odviously the size.


RE: A bit early...
By bigboxes on 1/5/2007 10:41:13 AM , Rating: 3
The mirrors, the mirrors... what about the mirrors?! LOL

RIP DLP :p


RE: A bit early...
By glennpratt on 1/5/2007 5:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
Please, more like RIP rear projection. DLP is still awesome. Their will never be a 70 ft plasma or LCD at your local cinema.


RE: A bit early...
By theslug on 1/5/2007 10:46:34 AM , Rating: 3
Do plasmas still suffer from burn-in problems or having to recharge it after 5 years or so?


RE: A bit early...
By theslug on 1/5/2007 11:02:29 AM , Rating: 2
Nevermind - just read the whole recharging thing is bogus.


RE: A bit early...
By Dustin25 on 1/5/2007 12:27:57 PM , Rating: 2
Good, welcome to the 90's slug. j/k


RE: A bit early...
By Aikouka on 1/5/2007 11:59:32 AM , Rating: 2
I like my Samsung 46" DLP more than my mom's 42" Samsung Plasma. At least my blacks don't look green :P. Plasmas do tend to look the crispest of all HDTVs that I've seen and I do think the 50" Samsung is a bit different from the 42" that I've personally worked with. I know I saw it in CC and it looked like quite the amazing set. If it wasn't around 2.5k, I may've picked that one up instead ;). For bang for the buck... I think DLP is probably the best though. My set only costs $1250 at Circuit City and it's so lightweight and great to use. I know I was a bit surprised to see the 42" plasma weighing about twice as much as the larger DLP.

This announcement was kind of awkward for me, because I didn't even know that HP made TVs... do they even sell them in stores?


RE: A bit early...
By therealnickdanger on 1/5/2007 12:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This announcement was kind of awkward for me, because I didn't even know that HP made TVs...

That's most likely the real reason behind them bowing out. Samsung PDPs aren't the best, the tend to oversaturate colors - which makes them stand out in the store.


RE: A bit early...
By kkwst2 on 1/6/2007 2:37:56 PM , Rating: 2
Try a Panasonic or Pioneer plasma. In the size range you're talking about, the price differential is not that great, and in my opinion, the PQ difference is significant.

The main real advantage of DLP in this size range is the resolution (1080 vs. 720), which is primarily an issue if you want to hook it up as a monitor as well as a TV.

Bigger plasmas are starting to appear in 1080, although certainly at a premium.


RE: A bit early...
By OddTSi on 1/5/2007 2:07:02 PM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't be surprised if DLPs were on their way out. Even though they provide much better picture quality than LCD or Plasma they don't have the "geewiz" hype that the flat panels do. Don't forget, the term "sheeple" wasn't invented for no reason at all.


RE: A bit early...
By FITCamaro on 1/5/2007 3:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
Ain't that the truth. Even at work guys are going with Plasma and LCD because its flat. I'll take the extra 8" of depth for a vastly cheaper set and as good if not better picture quality. In the end, I paid $900 for my 42" Samsung DLP with the faster 12,000 rpm color wheel and didn't even pay taxes on it ($1600 marked down to $1000 then further reduced later to $900 and purchased on a tax free weekend). The picture looks awesome, both standard definition and HD. The only slight annoyance is when you first turn it on, you have to wait about 10 seconds while the bulb warms up to get full brightness. But I really don't care. And whats really nice is that it's a 42" TV and it's lighter than the 23" CRT TV in my bedroom.

People are unfortunately drawn to what the media and stars designate as cool. Why else would people pay for things such as $100 jeans when a $20 pair looks the same except for a little logo on it?


Return Rates
By Chemtype on 1/5/2007 9:49:57 PM , Rating: 2
I spent the last year working customer support for hpshopping.com (before the center was terminated and consolidated in Boise), and the return rate on the DLP TV's were INSANE. The biggest problem is people expect DLP televisions to be quiet, and HP's DLP TV'S are extremely loud. The spinning color wheel generates a lot of noise, along with other internal cooling.

If bought online, HP pays to ship every tv to a customer, and pays to ship them back if its returned.

Also, the 65' DLP's had high defect rates on there speaker systems, and crackled a LOT.




RE: Return Rates
By FITCamaro on 1/5/2007 10:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
There is some noise but unless you have the sound off you can't hear the color wheel or the fan.


RE: Return Rates
By Chemtype on 1/6/2007 12:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
Consider yourself one of the lucky ones.


RE: Return Rates
By masher2 (blog) on 1/6/2007 2:09:17 PM , Rating: 5
If you're working in a customer support center then, by definition, every call you get is from someone who has a problem. That tends to skew your perceptions of the quality factor somewhat.


RE: Return Rates
By s12033722 on 1/8/2007 10:26:09 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting. I have never heard the color wheel (or anything else, for that matter) on our 58" 1080p HP DLP set.


Funny
By fenderkb76 on 1/5/2007 12:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
I find this very funny considering I was watching a football game the other day that was just smeared with "HP DLP, it's all about the mirrors" ads during the sponsors messages. I think there was even a blimp with that logo. Then today, "no more DLP". That was some wasted marketing money then. At least I'm pretty sure it was HP and not another manufacturer.

On another note, I always heard the downfall for DLP was the $200 bulb that had to be replaced almost yearly unless you really lowered the brightness. Can anyone here verify or debunk that based on experience? Besides that, I though DLP seemed like a great value based on the quality of picture vs. price.




RE: Funny
By Aikouka on 1/5/07, Rating: 0
RE: Funny
By boobot on 1/5/2007 1:42:06 PM , Rating: 3
You are incorrect about the longevity and should not be posting if you do not know the facts as this will confuse people.

Todays Plasma's and LCD's will be on par and even outlast any conventional tube television. I am not going to site sources as this information can be easily found on any HD forum site in detail.


RE: Funny
By neothe0ne on 1/5/2007 2:15:05 PM , Rating: 3
I've had a shitty RCA DLP for several years now, and I've never had to replace the bulb once. So I can tell you the yearly-replaced bulb is not true, but that doesn't mean the TV is good. No 720p input for the loss, and HORRIBLE lag on 480i and 480p input over composite and component just renders the TV about useless. Only my computer over DVI displaying in 1080i gets no lag, but the picture is too fuzzy to be able to read things.


Bulbs and wheel are no more
By dugbug on 1/5/2007 2:23:18 PM , Rating: 2
DLPs are all going solid state with LEDs. I think samsung has some out now. VERY impressive!





RE: Bulbs and wheel are no more
By UNCjigga on 1/5/2007 4:52:13 PM , Rating: 1
Well, LEDs are all fine and dandy, but if the TV uses LEDs, SEDs, LCoS etc. than it is NOT a DLP TV!! DLP refers exclusively to the "tiny mirror" technology developed by TI. I think a lot of people don't like it anymore because its a projector-based technology, so you'll never see a true "flat" DLP.


RE: Bulbs and wheel are no more
By rrsurfer1 on 1/5/2007 5:22:48 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, you didn't understand the post. What was meant was instead of a color wheel, LED's are used. The mirrors of the DLP technology are still in use, just the lamp and color wheel are replaced by LCD's. This is still a DLP T.V.


By Seymourbbuts on 1/7/2007 2:20:34 AM , Rating: 2
And I believe those LED's are water cooled.


Sad
By Orbs on 1/5/2007 12:39:11 PM , Rating: 2
This is kind of sad. I love my HP DLP (md5880n) and was looking forward to seeing what they were going to do with this technology next, such as LED models.

On the bright side, if someone wants to pick up an HP DLP, they are likely going to be on sale very soon.




RE: Sad
By Albotron on 1/5/2007 6:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
DLP TVs are still going to come out, just not HPs.

After LEDs for a whiter light, they are going to use lasers and ditch the color wheel. The lasers will be focused on the mirror panle and each will give fully saturated, controlled color.


RE: Sad
By gorobei on 1/7/2007 8:42:07 AM , Rating: 2
also, DLP also has the option of wobbulation to increase resolution. so there's still room to grow/upgrade, while lcd and plasma are fixed resolutions.



A way to combat rising sea levels
By RadonPL on 1/5/2007 5:36:05 PM , Rating: 3
A way to combat rising sea levels; get the extra liquid into the LCD screens :)




Predictions.......
By crystal clear on 1/6/2007 3:59:02 AM , Rating: 2

More than half LCD monitors to be widescreen by 2010, says Displaybank

Widescreen LCD monitors will account for 54.1% of worldwide LCD monitors by 2010, from a negligible 1.3% in 2005 to 11.3% in 2006 and 22.8% in 2007, according to Displaybank.

As a number of companies have joined in launching widescreen monitors since the second half of 2006, the range of consumer choices has widened, and prices have also plunged, allowing huge appeal to consumers. For instance, 20-inch widescreen monitors are now priced at the level of 200,000 to 300,000 won (US$322-214), which is a 70-80% reduction compared to 1 million won (US$1,073) about a year ago, Displaybank said.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070105PR205.html









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