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The GTA IV bundle box art  (Source: SCEE)
Sony announces PlayStation 3 packed with Grand Theft Auto IV

Along with Metal Gear Solid 4, Grand Theft Auto IV is one of the biggest titles yet for PlayStation 3 – the only difference with MGS4, of course, is that GTA IV isn’t a platform exclusive. But that’s not going to stop Sony from treating GTA IV as one of its very own, and creating a new system bundle around the highly-anticipated title.

Announced today by both Sony Computer Entertainment Europe and Australia is an official Grand Theft Auto IV bundle that will pack the game in along with the 40GB PlayStation 3 model. “We are delighted to offer the millions of PS3 and GTA fans the ultimate gaming package,” said David Reeves, president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe.

Unfortunately for those hoping to get the latest DualShock 3 controller model with the new bundle, Sony indicated that the GTA IV bundle will include the outgoing SIXAXIS controller only. Such news may be the most disappointing for Australian gamers, who will have to purchase the DualShock 3 controller separately for a mindboggling AUD$99 (USD$92) when it releases this week. Gamers in Europe have yet to hear of an official launch date for their rumbling controllers.

The Grand Theft Auto IV PlayStation 3 bundle will retail in Europe at €439 (USD$696) and in Australia for AUD$749.95 (USD$715).

Gamers also considering paying the premium for the Grand Theft Auto IV Special Edition game package will want an early sneak-peek of the game from an unknown retailer.

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By unbaisedgamer on 4/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Expensive!
By Pipperox on 4/23/2008 1:55:11 PM , Rating: 5
No, in Europe we pay a premium on the console (and pretty much all electronic devices), it's not because of the bundle.
A 40GB PS3 here costs already 399€, a Wii 260€ etc.
We "enjoy" a virtual exchange parity with a currency that's worth 50% less...

RE: Expensive!
By oab on 4/23/2008 2:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
And yet ironically, the Canadian dollar has grown to parity and our prices dropped to match the US ones.

Figure that out.

RE: Expensive!
By mmntech on 4/23/2008 6:56:33 PM , Rating: 2
Got my 60gb for $450 that way, $100 off. However, the difference was that Canadians could simply take a short drive across the border and buy it for the lower price. Canadian retailers had to cut prices or else they'd loose more business. In Europe and Australia, people don't really have that option unless you turn to eBay. I think most would be too lazy to go through the hassle.

I know that Australians have always paid a lot for electronics but those costs are obscene. The 60gb was around $699 here when it first came out when the dollar was weak. However, that included full BC and the stuff Sony has since cut out.
I'm glad I got my DualShock 3 for $20. Best Buy Canada has them on sale for that provided you buy GT5 Prologue. No way I'd pay $90 for something that shakes a little. Aussies and Europeans are definitely being ripped off by retailers, even if you take away the VAT.

RE: Expensive!
By Pipperox on 4/24/2008 11:04:09 AM , Rating: 3
It's not just about being lazy.
First, if you buy something from the US, you may have to pay VAT and import taxes plus shipping costs, which reduce the convenience of the operation.
Also, you go exposing yourself to a lot of potential troubles, like having to resort to worldwide instead of local warranty, and the chances of something being dead on arrival are higher because of the overseas shipping.
Not to mention the longer shipping time, which can be lengthened if the good is stuck at the customs etc.
And in the past there was also the problem of different TV standards (PAL vs NTSC) even if this is disappearing now thanks to HDTV.

RE: Expensive!
By MrDiSante on 4/23/2008 8:31:40 PM , Rating: 2
Simple: I live in Toronto, Canada 150km (~100 miles) from the nearest American shopping mall. Cross the border. The prices are lower as well as the taxes. Cross the border back - pay maybe 25% of the price difference as duties.

If you're buying something big - congratulations you just saved a coupla hundred bucks. Canadian retailers can't afford that, so they lower the price just enough to make the hassle not worth it.

RE: Expensive!
By wordsworm on 4/23/2008 9:46:35 PM , Rating: 2
So... let me get this straight. People are going to drive 300 miles, pay about $35 for gas and 4 hours driving (based on 25mpg and great traffic conditions) to save maybe $30-$40 bucks on a console? I think it makes sense if you're making a booze/smoke run, but not just for a console.

RE: Expensive!
By xsilver on 4/23/2008 9:57:37 PM , Rating: 3
25% off a ps3 is not $30-$40. Plus who said you cant go across the border for more than just 1 ps3?

RE: Expensive!
By Flunk on 4/23/2008 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
You also have to remember that UK prices at least contain sales tax (VAT) in the price.

RE: Expensive!
By StevoLincolnite on 4/24/2008 2:44:16 AM , Rating: 2
And Australians have the 10% GST (Goods and Services Tax).

RE: Expensive!
By jajig on 4/24/2008 7:22:08 PM , Rating: 2
Thats right 10% not the 55% premium we pay.

What it comes down to is US consumers get better treatment. They're obviously doing something right over there and we are doing something wrong in Australia (Europe).

RE: Expensive!
By geddarkstorm on 4/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Expensive!
By DeathSniper on 4/23/2008 2:44:15 PM , Rating: 3
This has nothing to do with how much Sony "thinks" the pound is worth.

RE: Expensive!
By B3an on 4/23/2008 3:08:55 PM , Rating: 3
No, it's because the overall yearly income for a average person in the UK is considerably higher than that of the average person in the US. And the same with a lot of other western European countries. So stuff naturally costs more as companies can afford to rip off people with higher prices, yet still sell as many units.

RE: Expensive!
By geddarkstorm on 4/23/2008 3:46:52 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, isn't economy fun?

RE: Expensive!
By jajig on 4/23/2008 4:01:19 PM , Rating: 2
The average yearly income for people in the US and Australia is about $40,000 ($US40k for the US and $AUS40k for Australia) so that can't be it either. Australia is also closer to China so it can't be transportation costs either.

I don't think Big Mac economics is accurate.

RE: Expensive!
By B3an on 4/24/2008 2:03:28 AM , Rating: 2
Well i've no idea about Aus. Seems they just get shafted, plain and simple. But what i said is true for most western Europe countries.

RE: Expensive!
By StevoLincolnite on 4/24/2008 2:46:28 AM , Rating: 2
Could it be because of Tax's and what not?
Australia has a 10% Tax on all Goods and Services, not to mention other taxes slapped onto all imports and exports, plus freight charges, added Mark-ups plus our population is lower which in turn would effect the whole Supply/Demand Issue.

RE: Expensive!
By steven975 on 4/23/2008 1:58:27 PM , Rating: 4
It's not that simple. Prices are set by Sony by market. The 40GB PS3 is considerably more than $399 USD in europe.

The sliding dollar has made other currencies more expensive relative to the dollar (and the dollar less relative to others), but Sony can't make up for that by pricing PS3s at $600 US...they tried that but no one bought. Europeans are used to the 400 euro price point and Americans accept the $400USD price point...that's about the fact of it. Just goes to show that currency values and purchasing power between them are only casually related.

RE: Expensive!
By Pipperox on 4/24/2008 11:09:54 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're spot on.
Part of the price difference is due to taxes, yes.
But a bigger part of it is just about Europeans being used to pay a certain nominal price on electronic goods, regardless of the actual exchange rate versus other currencies.
The nominal price has a big effect on people's mind and their buying decisions.
It is "thanks" to this mechanism that in countries such as Italy and Germany the prices of several goods sneakily doubled after the introduction of the € currency.
Like, how a pair of Levi's used to cost 120 DM before, which began 120 € later... except that 1€ = 2DM.

This bundle is exclusive to those regions?
By TerranMagistrate on 4/23/2008 1:23:43 PM , Rating: 2
Or is this coming to NA as well?

Also, I wonder why MS isn't doing a similar bundle with the 360 to entice gamers to pick up the console.

By crazyblackman on 4/23/2008 1:46:34 PM , Rating: 5
Well because...let me ask you this...

Does the 360 version allow you to steal UPS trucks loaded with bricked 360's? The PS3 version's leaked gameplay video on youtube showed this incredibly hilarious feature. I thought it was waaaay over the top.

By crazyblackman on 4/23/2008 2:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, MS has announced that there is a now a 360 bundle also available in parts of Europe. Still don't think it's doing as good as the PS3 though. Many interviews with Rockstar devs on the net have said that the 360 version suffers from framerate stuttering and users should choose the "optional Install" of the game. The dev also said that the PS3 graphics processing, renders the game a lot smoother and that they had to extremely compress the graphics on the 360 due to such a small storage medium. They also said that MS has a "big problem" on their hands because of this, because the games of this gen will only get larger. Don't hate the messenger.

RE: This bundle is exclusive to those regions?
By FITCamaro on 4/23/2008 2:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad to hear that the 360 features an optional install. Personally I'd be happy with games allowing you to completely install the game on the hard drive if you chose to. I've got an Elite with a practically empty hard drive.

So I'll be doing the install. If only Mass Effect had offered it.

RE: This bundle is exclusive to those regions?
By Belard on 4/23/2008 6:38:43 PM , Rating: 2
Some problems with that...

1 - Many 360s come without a Hard Drive. It becomes the LCD of the entire line... somewhat.

2 - Most 360s are not Elite models, so the base models - even the special Edition HALO 360 ONLY - ONLY come with a stupid 20GB HD. Once you include the standard software, update files over the years... how normal user usage, how much is typically left on the drive? 5GB? 10GB?

PS3 owners (I have not bought one yet, but GTA4 maybe the title that does) for almost a year had 40GB as standard. And unlike M$ - they don't need to spend $100 for a 20GB HD or almost $200 for a 120GB HD... they simply buy a HD off the shelf, like a 320GB 5400RPM for $140 or for top performance, spend $160 for a 200GB 7200RPM 2.5" drive. Any of these will out store, out price and out perform Xbox's 4200rpm little thingy.

Curious - what else is in the bundle... other than a different box and game. (We would have thought the HALO Xbox360 would at lest INCLUDE the game or something) for the $400 price.

Personally, I'd want a gun-metal Grey PS3 - but without the game.

By crazyblackman on 4/23/2008 6:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
shhhhhhhhh........not here. nooooooooooooo....some other forum.

By FITCamaro on 4/24/2008 7:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
A coworker of mine with the Premium model (so 20GB hard drive) who plays vastly more games than me(so his hard drive is littered with saves and what not) has over 13GB of space left.

The only people who will have a problem is those who download lots of videos.

And this was not an argument about who's hard drive model is better. Yes, I wish all 360s had come standard with a hard drive. Yes I wish they let you buy your own drives to upgrade your storage space. But my point was that I'm just glad that for those of us that do have a hard drive, it will be utilized for a game like this.

And hopefully, the next time around, Microsoft will realize that every console needs a hard drive as they did in the first generation Xbox. Hell they don't even necessarily need to put a hard drive in it. Just put 2-4GB of flash memory storage in the console to buffer game data on.

For someone like me though, I'll never even come close to filling up my 120GB drive. All my video is on my video server. I bought the Elite for the black color (matches my entertainment equipment) and the HDMI (since the newer premium wasn't out yet).

By AlphaVirus on 4/24/2008 12:22:07 PM , Rating: 2
I just wonder will it be similar to Capcoms decision with games like Devil May Cry. The added cache to the Hard Drive reduces load times between levels by several seconds.

In a game like GTA with such open-world gameplay, I wonder how much of a difference this install will make between the 360 and PS3 version.

Also I wonder how much of a difference, performance wise (frames, glitches, etc), the install will help with.

Something I wish all console makers would do...
By daftrok on 4/23/2008 2:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
Is let us choose our wires. I want to be able to get some component cables with a VGA adapter. Or maybe I want to be able to choose one S-video cable without the red-white audio cables and a TOSLINK cable with a SPDIF adapter. Rather than just packaging basic composite cables (like PS3) or packaging EVERY WIRE IN EXISTENCE (360 Elite), let the consumers choose when they buy the system.

By psychobriggsy on 4/23/2008 2:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, but thankfully HDMI cables are cheap, especially compared to the combined cost of a HDTV and PS3.

By deeznuts on 4/23/2008 2:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
They do. Go to store, buy wire.

I don't mind paying $5 for cables at monoprice. I don't complain when my receiver didn't come with speaker wires.

By SiliconJon on 4/23/2008 4:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
I hear ya, but with the variety we have available to us it's just too hard to make a package that pleases everyone. Some of use would prefer an all-in-one solution prepackaged, others would prefer a few bucks off and the ability to choose their own component connections.

Too many choices! [head explodes]

By AlphaVirus on 4/24/2008 12:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I was kind of mad when I noticed they did not have a HDMI->Display Port adapter in my PS3 bundle.


Both Sony and Microsoft included what they felt was best for the consumer. Majority of people make use of either composite, component, or HDMI, so thats all Sony and MS should include. If you have something extra in your theater setup, you should just go out and purchase whatever parts are needed.

It is not their responsibility to provide every video/audio option available to man.

This may influence your buying decisions...
RE: This may influence your buying decisions...
By FITCamaro on 4/23/2008 4:00:56 PM , Rating: 1
I hate IntelliText ads with a passion.....

That article doesn't really say which version is better or worse. It addresses some of the issues developing for the 360 sure. But it doesn't really say which version is better. Honestly while I have a 360 and will obviously be buying that version, I expect the PS3 version to look slightly better just due to the fact that it has more storage space and doesn't have to compress things. But sorry, not going to go buy a PS3 just to get slightly better visuals. Gameplay is what matters, not graphics.

And from the sounds of it, as long as you do the optional install on the 360, which I will, both play the same. It does suck for the idiots who bought the Core/Arcade system though. Hopefully Microsoft realized their mistake of not shipping the 360 with a standard hard drive. That was one of the best things about the original Xbox. So hopefully they'll correct this mistake with the Xbox 720 or whatever its called.

By crazyblackman on 4/23/2008 4:59:35 PM , Rating: 2
To be honest...there are also early game comparisons stating that there is more pedestrian/vehicle traffic, as well as generally more onscreen action/activity in the PS3 version. To each his own...but for the possible stability reasons alone, I think the PS3 version is a safer bet, if you already own a PS3. If you don't, then this bundle becomes that much more attractive here in North America. At least hardware failure is not as much as an issue.

It was more of a technological point being made by the article. I really think the hard drive issue is one problem that can be easily solved, however the DVD9 space limitation issue is stated to be entirely a bigger problem for MS now. Now we are talking creativity restrictions and developers are finally speaking out about this issue openly. The PS3 will become even more attractive to these creative devs who have gotten comfy with it, and would choose to design on the PS3 first and then try to port down a more compressed version of their unrestricted creative works to the 360.

A 10 year PS3 life cycle is ambitious, but entirely possible for Sony.
We're already discussing the XBOX 720, are we? That's funny stuff.

RE: This may influence your buying decisions...
By Belard on 4/23/2008 6:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
Seen the Xbox 360 version of MGS4? Its like 20~22 DVDs... its' HUGE... ;) but its a pretty box.

I'm guessing a lot of data is redundent to prevent disc swaps from 1>10>1>9>10>11>1>11>1>12 .... arugh!

For the PS3... 3-4 Blue Ray Discs.

By crazyblackman on 4/23/2008 7:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
Thats funny. MS is also having server "hiccups" since their last "update". GTAIV hasn't even launched yet and already the XBL"pay to play" service is screwed up. Gotta love it.

But seriously...that's another subject, right? Let's stay on topic.

I don't get why......
By ioKain on 4/23/2008 2:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
This game has such a huge fan base. Game play is absolutely terrible with the horrid controls. Maybe it'll be better this time around, but I played my brother's copy of the last one and didn't like it at all. Gave it a far shot too, at least a couple of days. Just couldn't get past the controls.

Who the hell would wanna emulate a gangsta living in the ghetto anyways. Guess there are more suburban preteen "gangsta " kids than I originally thought. The whole Russian concept is definitely a step up from the last version.

RE: I don't get why......
By FITCamaro on 4/23/2008 2:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly I didn't get into San Andreas as much either. But honestly that was because I was out of college and starting to get off the PC gaming trip. Now I more enjoy being able to lay back on the couch and play. I sit in a chair in front of a computer all day at work. I don't want to do it when I go home and feel like gaming.

I never found the controls in San Andreas to be a problem though. They've been pretty much the same since GTAIII.

RE: I don't get why......
By michal1980 on 4/23/2008 4:41:46 PM , Rating: 1
i felt similar when i first got gta san and

only played like an hour, seemed to gangsta for me, and I just finished off most of vice city extra's right before. So I was a bit overloaded on GTA.

But recently beat mass effect and while waiting a new game to get. I put in GTA SA back in the ps3. Beat the whole story, game was actually really really good, great story.

RE: I don't get why......
By AlphaVirus on 4/24/2008 12:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
Who the hell would wanna emulate a gangsta living in the ghetto anyways. Guess there are more suburban preteen "gangsta " kids than I originally thought.

And what would you rather play?
A plumber that eats mushrooms and rides on a dinosaur? Mario
A fox that flies around in space with other animals? StarFox

And if you are not into the cartoon games and want more human-like games...
You can play a space captian fighting aliens, Halo
Or play a space captian fighting aliens, Mass Effect

So again, what was the purpose of your comment? Everyone enjoys different types of games, and just because its based in the "ghetto" (which is reality for some) does not mean its a trashy game for "preteen 'gangsta' kids".

Quit being so closed minded.

Are you kidding me?
By Vanilla Thunder on 4/23/2008 4:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
$92 for a rumble equipped controller? That's ridiculous.

RE: Are you kidding me?
By Belard on 4/23/2008 6:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
Just as long as I can buy a NON rumble controller for $20~30, I'll be happy.

Being that SOME games actually use SAXIS - the new ForceFeed back controller is also SAXIS? Or did they take it out because the rumble can effect it? Will it cause problems with older games... ;)

RE: Are you kidding me?
By gumbi18 on 4/23/2008 7:47:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yes the new DS3 also has SIXAXIS, for those games that support it.

Dear god $99, yet again us Aussies get shafted by Sony pricewise.

Can't wait.
By FITCamaro on 4/23/2008 1:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
I think multiplayer in this game is going to be so much fun. Long have I waited for the (supported) ability to run around with my friends in a GTA world.

As a side note, damn you Europeans and Aussies are getting the shaft on price.

RE: Can't wait.
By SeeManRun on 4/23/2008 1:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
I played multiplayer with Grand Theft Auto 2 in my dorm with a few roomates. It was such a blast! One of the best multiplayer experiences in PC gaming memory.

By stargazr on 4/23/2008 2:48:24 PM , Rating: 2
Only suckers would buy this bundle. Who in their right sane mind would consider buying this when you could buy the 80gb MGS4 bundle with the DS3 already?!

RE: suckers
By FITCamaro on 4/23/2008 3:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe the MGS4 bundle is going to Europe. I don't even think the DS3 controller has a release date there yet.

By oDii on 4/24/2008 3:53:04 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks Sony, you really know how to treat your European consumers.

Install ??
By fuzzedup1 on 4/24/2008 9:35:02 AM , Rating: 2
Whats all this talk about the 360's game allows a local HD install, surely that aint true ?? Wasnt this the way the old xbox got hacked ?

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