quote: So because Google is a unique case it needs a unique way of regulating.
quote: Google is not a unique case.
quote: the moment Google became a real monopolist
quote: people use google as a search engine and expect it to be an accurate representation of a web search, not a fake search that artificially puts googles products above the competition
quote: Yes, that's a recurrent problem within EU. People also expect somebody else to pay for their healthcare, education and possibly housing and vacation. The EU insists on trying to address the wrong end of the problem.
quote: Question: What is the budget of a welfare mother? Does anyone have an idea of ??the income and expenses of her? And what has she left for groceries? Anser: I am a mother with one child of eight at home.My rent is 600, my gas and light 200, health insurance 95, internet / telephone 50, 250 debt repayment. which is approx 1200 fixed expenses per month. I get social benefits of 1050 per month. and my extra rent and care benefits is about 300. I have approx 35 euros per week for food, buy clothes etc. I really have to do everything with that. I dont manage that especially for my son. Try to give him fruit bread milk etc every day, and I have to give him part of my share. because of my health, I am unfortunately not able to work. it is that I occasionally get some groceries from someone, and that i occasionally can leave child my with a boyfriend of him for something fun to do. but a day to a amusement park or any other outing is there is not really for him. For myself, it does not really matter, but especially a child, I find it real hard.
quote: Yes, that's a recurrent problem within EU. People also expect somebody else to pay for their healthcare, education and possibly housing and vacation.
quote: people use google as a search engine and expect it to be an accurate representation of a web search
quote: if you searched for that type of thing on google, theirs always was ranked above yours, that is a bunch of antitrust, monopolistic BS.
quote: There is no law that binds Google to give you an "accurate representation" of a web search. There is no law that says Google cannot monetize their web search.
quote: You are just making up BS on the fly sir. Your argument has no merit.
quote: United States antitrust law United States antitrust law is a collection of federal and state government laws, which regulates the conduct and organization of business corporations, generally to promote fair competition for the benefit of consumers. The main statutes are the Sherman Act 1890, the Clayton Act 1914 and the Federal Trade Commission Act 1914. These Acts, first, restrict the formation of cartels and prohibit other collusive practices regarded as being in restraint of trade. Second, they restrict the mergers and acquisitions of organizations which could substantially lessen competition. Third, they prohibit the creation of a monopoly and the abuse of monopoly power . Monopoly and power "Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony , and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $100,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $1,000,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding 10 years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."Sherman Act 1890 §2 The law's treatment of monopolies is potentially the strongest in the field of antitrust law. Judicial remedies can force large organizations to be broken up, be run subject to positive obligations, or massive penalties may be imposed the people involved can be sentenced to jail. Under §2 of the Sherman Act 1890 every "person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize... any part of the trade or commerce among the several States" commits an offence. The courts have interpreted this to mean that monopoly is not unlawful per se, but only if acquired through prohibited conduct. Historically, where the ability of judicial remedies to combat market power have ended, the legislature of states or the Federal government have still intervened by taking public ownership of an enterprise, or subjecting the industry to sector specific regulation (frequently done, for example, in the cases water, education, energy or health care). The law on public services and administration goes significantly beyond the realm of antitrust law's treatment of monopolies. When enterprises are not under public ownership, and where regulation does not foreclose the application of antitrust law, two requirements must be shown for the offense of monopolization. First, the alleged monopolist must possess sufficient power in an accurately defined market for its products or services. Second, the monopolist must have used its power in a prohibited way. The categories of prohibited conduct are not closed, and are contested in theory. Historically they have been held to include exclusive dealing, price discrimination, refusing to supply an essential facility, product tying and predatory pricing.
quote: When enterprises are not under public ownership, and where regulation does not foreclose the application of antitrust law, two requirements must be shown for the offense of monopolization. First, the alleged monopolist must possess sufficient power in an accurately defined market for its products or services. Second, the monopolist must have used its power in a prohibited way.
quote: But you don't do that, you don't even bother. The clear message that underlines your posts Michael, and others from Europe, is you support the EU going after Google because you have a strong dislike of America and/or Americans. You aren't even being subtle about it honestly.
quote: Those selfridges hypocrites that think they are above the law you can keep, and i want them to stop spying on us.
quote: I don't support what the NSA is doing, but please, are you saying the EU isn't spying on US too? That's comical.
quote: But what I'm not seeing are any first-world nations standing up and disbanding their intelligence agencies, are you?
quote: No not in the way the NSA is doing, i don't see any EU intelligence services taping US citizens
quote: 150 years after the American Civil War, there are still people from the North and South that dont like one and other because of it
quote: I once found a site that had a list of shady CIA covert operations
quote: i at least would be of that part if that was my country's foreign history.
quote: American idiocy didn't start two world wars. America didn't throw 6 million people into mass ovens.
quote: If you want to give history lessons, better apply the same filter to your own backyard as you're applying to mine.
quote: I can see how you believe that when you're on the outside looking in, and all you know is what's on the news and extremist blogs. But that is a completely ludicrous statement!
quote: Well if it was on the Internet, it MUST be true!
quote: And where is that? I want to know where you currently reside, not that I have any way of knowing if it's the truth.
quote: Now i am a Norwegian citizen, and again i also don't believe i have to be ashamed of its history.
quote: So you don't believe that if hatred is passed on to new generations?
quote: and i personally properly own my existence due to the fact of the food drops on Holland during WWII.
quote: Go on and keep hating America and her people
quote: You've admitted we all have skeletons in our closets, so pointing the finger at others is hypocritical.
quote: The idea that the CIA and the Government is controlled by a "shadow" organization or secret Government is not a new idea, but it's tin-foil hat wearing rubbish.
quote: I also find your sources to be a laughable.
quote: I then also no longer care what you think.
quote: But you don't do that, you don't even bother. The clear message that underlines your posts Michael, and others from Europe, is you support the EU going after Google because you have a strong dislike of America and/or Americans. You aren't even being subtle about it honestly. If Google was a European subsidiary, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And that's frankly sad.
quote: Imho the EU is doing its best it can, and doing it more or less the right way, and think its doing it better then the US, that just lets Google take over the hole online advertising business.
quote: Google however is accused of abusing its market share in the search engine market to increase market share
quote: There was no online advertising business before Google.
quote: You know, coming with new ideas to surpass the competition. Stuff that was considered common sense some decades ago, only these days it seems to be considered dangerous and/or abusive.
quote: The problem with what your saying is this, and it has bin illegal for years, its called tying or tied sales, don't know the right name in English for it.
quote: I would say read this: www.fairsearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Draft -Core-FairSearch-Fact-Sheet-051812.pdf And look at the arguments on the same site: www.fairsearch.org/
quote: So what the EU is doing now is try to find a balance between Google's interest, and its competition, that apparently justified complained that Google was not playing fair anymore
quote: its a shame that in the US there is a sentiment that all rule's are bad or businesses
quote: Is it completely fair against Google ofc not, bud who says that life is fair
quote: otherwise any small or new player will never have a chance to flourish like Google it self did.
quote: Aren't you aware that "Fairsearch" is an activist lobbying agency Microsoft created to lobby Government's like the EU to punish Google for being more used than their own Bing search?
quote: Bing had Google's marketshare, there would not be a "FairSearch" at all.
quote: Market manipulation at it's worst. Using Google's own services to attempt to force the use of lesser used competitors.
quote: It's a shame you're uninformed enough to believe this. I would wager US companies have just as many rules to follow as the EU's. Maybe more.
quote: Hey who says life is fair, right? If you wish to enter the search market today, you have to contend with the fact that Google is the most used most popular one. Sorry that's not fair, but life isn't fair right?
quote: As all the hotels have to pay to get advertized on the Google page, and now they have to pay Google again to be promoted on the Google.com/hotel pages
quote: Why shouldn't Google promote it's own products on it's OWN website and ad business? Are you serious? That's a completely invalid complaint.
quote: They don't "have" to do anything. They are choosing to, because Google gives them the best ROI.
quote: You're just another Google hater trying to make commonplace practices seem evil or coercive somehow.
quote: The EU's thinking is a bit different than the U.S. in this regard. The EU believes you shouldn't be allowed to leverage your monopoly (or near-monopoly) in one market into a superior position in a different market. That was the reason behind the whole IE thing.
quote: So if you wanted to use another browser, you still couldn't remove IE. Thus, no no-tech person could see why using something different made any sense.
quote: You have said in another post you will never forgive MS for not defending Google against Apple.
quote: So yes, you have been pulling the "MS is evil" card.
quote: Besides, Google was the first to whine to the government in the search war. They reported MS to the DoJ in 2007 because MS had search built in to Vista.
quote: but you do hate MS and attack them every chance you get
quote: all seemingly because they compete with Google.
quote: Now, let the courts decide, ok?
quote: More specifically, Google arranges search results in a way that benefits itself and not competitors.
quote: In fact, why is it the best search engines come out of America? Not sure, maybe the EU should look into that instead.