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Google says if the demand grows it might develop for Windows 8

Microsoft has been working hard to entice developers to make apps for its new Windows 8 computer operating system and its new smartphone platform, Windows Phone 8. One of the companies that Microsoft hoped would make official apps for its devices was Google, which owns popular e-mail services like Gmail and the cloud-based storage service Drive.

Google has now said that it has no plans to develop dedicated apps for Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8 for Gmail or Drive. In an interview with v3, Google Apps product management director Clay Bavor indicated that Google has chosen not to develop for the new Windows platforms due to a lack of interest from clients.

"We have no plans to build out Windows apps. We are very careful about where we invest and will go where the users are but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8," he said.

He adds, "If that changes, we would invest there, of course."

Bavor said that Google was committed to continually improving and updating the apps it offers for iOS and Android products. 

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Stunning annoucement!
By JackBurton on 12/14/2012 8:51:22 AM , Rating: 1
I bet the 3 people that bought Windows Phone 8s are pretty pissed right about now. And then they heard the story about Google not building dedicated apps for their phones.




RE: Stunning annoucement!
By GeekDaddy on 12/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Da W on 12/14/2012 9:24:20 AM , Rating: 2
I bet the millions of people who all use the same Samsung phone feel pretty special and unique in the world.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By V-Money on 12/14/2012 4:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I bet the millions of people who all use the same Samsung phone feel pretty special and unique in the world.

True dat, they should have thunk differently and bought an iPhone instead...in all fairness though if you want to feel unique and different due to the smartphone you use, you would be sporting a Kin :-)


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By themaster08 on 12/14/2012 9:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
With Nokia Maps and the excellent built-in mail functionality, there's really no need for Google's applications.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By cknobman on 12/14/2012 9:38:03 AM , Rating: 2
This announcement is not going to do a dang thing to keep me on Android. I have already made up my mind to go to WP8 regardless.

Only real google app I will miss is the maps/navigation apps but I plan on getting a Nokia WP8 phone which I hear has great its own awesome navigation app anyways.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Booty on 12/14/2012 10:26:35 AM , Rating: 3
Have you even used a Windows Phone? I had a WP7 device... didn't want/need/miss Google apps. Upgraded to the 920... want/need/miss them even less.

I'm all Google all the time on my PC... Gmail, search, maps, chrome, sketchup, whatever. But my phone does everything I need without any of those dedicated apps. You don't need "an app for that" when the functionality is built in.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By MartyLK on 12/14/2012 10:42:51 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Have you even used a Windows Phone? I had a WP7 device... didn't want/need/miss Google apps. Upgraded to the 920... want/need/miss them even less.


I have a WP7. And it does not have an equal maps app to Google Maps.

On a lark last night I decided to boot my Focus up and see if anything changed with the maps app; if MS has yet to add a usable voice-guided function. And much to my un-surprise, no, they have not changed it. It still requires the user to tap each and every waypoint on a route to get the next voice guidance. The user has to take focus off the road and manage to tap the screen to get the next instructions on a route.

WP7 is nothing but a sham, at its best. WP8 will also be a sham. I bet, unless you own a Nokia, you can't get a decent maps/nav app in WP8 either.

This is how MS is. Even Apple is finally seeing the ight and *trying* to make an OEM integrated maps/ nav solution. MS went in reverse with their tech. They had a good maps/nav app with Bing Maps in WinMo 6.5 and then went to nothing in WP7.

Yeah, MS...at a loss for words...


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Florinator on 12/14/2012 11:56:13 AM , Rating: 2
You must be doing something wrong... I've had the Samsung Focus WP7 for two years and have had turn by turn directions on the built-in Bing maps since forever...

The only thing I'd improve is automatic recalculation of route, that's the only time I have to tap the screen, if I "go the wrong way" and need re-calculating.

It also integrates with my car's Bluetooth, so if I'm listening to music, it pauses the music, speaks out the directions and resumes the playback...


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By MartyLK on 12/14/2012 11:58:54 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Booty on 12/14/2012 2:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It still requires the user to tap each and every waypoint on a route to get the next voice guidance. The user has to take focus off the road and manage to tap the screen to get the next instructions on a route.


You can tap *anywhere* on the screen (mentioned in the article you link further down this thread). Okay, so maybe not the perfect user experience, but if you can't tap a ~4" screen without losing focus on the road I'm not sure you should be driving in the first place. Do you also have to look down to locate the brake pedal? Pull over altogether to turn on your wipers?

All that said - I don't know about Verizon, but AT&T provides navigation software on all their phones, and as you said Nokia has their own app as well. All 3 options work just fine for me, but I'm one of those drivers who finds a way to change the radio station without causing a 10 car pile-up.

Oh, and I'll take any of those options over Apple's attempt at maps/nav. I can't believe you'd imply that the WP7/8 experience is somehow worse than their half-baked solution.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By MartyLK on 12/14/2012 3:13:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You can tap *anywhere* on the screen (mentioned in the article you link further down this thread). Okay, so maybe not the perfect user experience, but if you can't tap a ~4" screen without losing focus on the road I'm not sure you should be driving in the first place. Do you also have to look down to locate the brake pedal? Pull over altogether to turn on your wipers?


You sound like you haven't had a good experience with a fully functioning nav app on a smartphone. I have. The nav function provided in Android through Google Maps is purely outstanding and amazing. There is no need to take eyes off the road to maintain the progress. And I can even play videos or music or do other things while the Google's nav app keeps me informed of upcoming turns.

It truly is impressive, if you haven't experienced it yet. My brother, who is a long haul trucker and uses professional grade, commercial-grade nav devices commented how amazing Google Maps nav is.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Booty on 12/14/2012 4:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
You're missing the point. I'm not saying the Android/Google Maps experience isn't better. What I'm saying is the WP7/8 nav is more than good enough for me. I don't need to take my eyes off the road to use it.

And this is just one app. We're talking about smartphones, not GPS devices. For me, and probably a lot of WP users, the navigation apps are more than sufficient, as are the other areas Google may have developed apps for.

Maybe that's the real point here - Google isn't developing apps because they know Windows Phone users don't really need them... ;)


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By MartyLK on 12/14/2012 4:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
And my point is: Microsoft can't compete with their lesser product. When a person can have what they want and need on another system, Microsoft won't sell devices.

But the thing that is and has been understood with MS on WP7 is that they tried to make the consumer believe they didn't need all of those features that the competition give.

If you are happy with what WP has, good. More power to you. But the point it: Microsoft isn't competing. They aren't providing an at least equal product.

And that "one" app is meant as a sign of the WP ecosystem. One *huge* feature these days of smartphones is their ability to navigate. It's a huge feature and such an incredible convenience - the way it is integrated into the system like Google Maps is and eventually Apple's maps will be.

Microsoft and users of WP cannot just say that there are 3rd party apps that give TbT-Voice-guided nav app in the market. None of them are as integrated or functional as a fully integrated nav app like Google Maps. That is to say, none of them can provide the whole experience an integrated maps can.

Microsoft is basically saying: Hmmm...I have an idea! Lets sell our smartphone system the opposite way of what everyone else does: Lets remove features and functionality and call that a "feature".


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Fritzr on 12/15/2012 2:27:24 AM , Rating: 2
You missed the point.

Microsoft will not pull out of the market due to being snubbed by Google on 1 or 2 apps.

Google IS pulling out of the market on selected apps because the Microsoft phone does not need those particular Google apps.

Google is saying that due to *a lack of demand* for selected apps, those apps will not be developed. Google happily invested in apps where there was a demand and those apps are currently available for WP7 & WP8.

WP8 will not die because Microsoft users do not need Google apps. The Google apps though won't exist as long as the Microsoft users continue to not need them :D

Yes this is a blow to Google since people not using Google apps are not viewing Google ads.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By MartyLK on 12/15/2012 3:31:31 AM , Rating: 2
I did a search, in market, on my WP7 phone for "google" and came up with just one official Google app, Google Search. There were no other official Google apps.

But granted that the WP market search engine is the worst the universe ever suffered, that isn't confidence of a lack of official Google apps. If there are others, a user will need to type in their full name precisely and without the slightest error for the search engine to find them.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By AstroCreep on 12/14/2012 11:59:43 AM , Rating: 1
Awww, you're cute when you're trying to troll. :)

I have a Nokia Lumia 920 (32GB smartphone I bought for $50) and it's awesome. Yes, there are some things I wish it had/did differently, but then again, there are some things I wish my old iPhone had/did along with some things that my Android tablet had/did. It's all relative.

That said, I don't really need any of the Google apps. I've never cared much for Chrome and I like the built-in mail app for my Gmail access. I would, however, like a Google Maps application, as I find that the routes the Nokia programs use are really bad in my area (although they get me where I need to go).


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By nikon133 on 12/16/2012 5:45:34 PM , Rating: 1
No, actually my wife and I are both adamant to move from our ageing iPhones 3Gs to Lumias 920.

Only Google app I'm really using is maps, but I don't have any problem with Nokia Maps, on the contrary. Plus there are 3rd party apps leaning on Google maps infrastructure, for both WP8 and W8RT.

I have Gmail account but using it only for spammers (when you need to register but don't want to give real email). I'm using Hotmail/Outlook.com for my primary email, my wife is using local Xtra account (which is basically Yahoo mail). Plus, WP8 mail client can be configured for gmail anyway, not that I'm going to do it anyway.

What else is there that is really so important? I have Android tablet, and only other app is Google Earth, but hardly something I must have on phone?


Oh really?
By arthur449 on 12/14/2012 9:31:39 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe Google should try announcing this policy to itself.

Not only is Google Chrome in the Windows app store, but Chrome (23.0.1271.97m) has a "Relaunch in Windows 8 mode" option.




RE: Oh really?
By Helbore on 12/14/2012 9:55:29 AM , Rating: 3
Plus the Google Search app that's even available in Windows RT. It also contains Drive, Maps, Gmail and just about every other Google app in existence.

I guess they must have forgotten they made them.


RE: Oh really?
By nedsand on 12/14/2012 12:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, this is just sensationalized. Probably a cherry picked quote that is out of context.


RE: Oh really?
By sprockkets on 12/14/2012 3:12:10 PM , Rating: 2
Win8 on the desktop isn't winrt for arm or w8 for phones. Obviously win8 on the desktop is selling well to have chrome for it.


RE: Oh really?
By acer905 on 12/14/2012 10:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
... You do realize that from the perspective of the Store, there is no difference. All Win 8 store apps work on all versions of Win 8, on all devices it is on... WP8 however is different... slightly.


Resisting Change
By hpram99 on 12/14/2012 9:10:23 AM , Rating: 2
It really is amazing how even tech people will resist new technology. I work in IT and find helpdesk, engineers, developers, etc, who are very strong advocates of a particular platform. Yet they've never owned one of the competing devices for a reasonable amount of time, and usually come up with petty excuses for not doing so.

I currently have a HTC One X, an iPhone 4s, and a Lumia 920. I love trying new things, and I'm amazed that more people don't give it an honest try.

My wife on the other hand has a death grip on every past device, and I have to smash her 3-4 year old phone out of her hands to get her to look at something new.




RE: Resisting Change
By V-Money on 12/14/2012 4:34:54 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I currently have a HTC One X, an iPhone 4s, and a Lumia 920. I love trying new things, and I'm amazed that more people don't give it an honest try.


I know right, I mean after driving a Cadillac V-Series (where the "V" in my username came from, the "money" part comes from my last name) I wondered why doesn't everyone go out and buy one...I mean I realize our economy is doing better than ever and that disposable income is at an all-time high, but we aren't talking about picking a new flavor of ice cream here to see if we like it.

To actually try out a new system you have to be able to use it consistently for longer than you can use a product in a store, and people typically don't buy multiple 600 dollar smartphones at a time just for the hell of it. For those who are buying a new phone, what is the real incentive of buying one that has a different OS if the one you have is working fine.

Whether you like Android, iOS, or Win8 they all can handle pretty much anything we need them to. None are hard to use and the advantages to any of them are only advantages to certain people. For instance, I love my android phone and love that I can use widgets and love that I can so easily root and mod the crap out of it to be exactly how I like it. To a lot of people that really isn't an advantage because they can't figure out how to reboot their *^%^ing phone (I'm talking to you iPhone users, no matter how much I avoid that damn phone I always have to be an expert at fixing them). I regress though, I would much rather help someone who is content with their iPhone and has it freeze up or randomly die than the person who buys an android phone and inadvertently bricks it because they think they know what they are doing.


RE: Resisting Change
By JediJeb on 12/14/2012 5:22:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I currently have a HTC One X, an iPhone 4s, and a Lumia 920.


Which one makes the best phone calls?

You would probably have to smash my original black Moto V3 out of my hands because I am not planning to upgrade until it dies :)


RE: Resisting Change
By kmmatney on 12/15/2012 3:14:26 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I like iOS, and like having shared apps across my phones and the 2 iPads in the house. There hasn't been anything compelling enough to make me want to switch. My iPhone 4S is Jailbroken, so I get free tethering, as well as freedom. That said, after having used a GS Note II for a little while, I now want something bigger, and the iPhone 5 isn't big enough. I hope Apple comes out with something by the time my contract is up, or I won't be too resistant to change.


RE: Resisting Change
By MartyLK on 12/15/2012 3:49:21 AM , Rating: 1
That's what I say. Apple needs to offer at least two phones. One for the traditionalists and one for the rest. Keep the current one and put out a 4.5" to 5" phone alongside the current one.

But they should create a whole new OS for the larger one. An OS based on widgets or something similar.


BS
By Florinator on 12/14/2012 11:49:49 AM , Rating: 2
That's BS, I just checked the Windows Phone 8 app store on my Nokia Lumia 920, there is free Google app, called Google, published by Google Inc. It offers Google Autocomplete, My Location and Voice Search.




RE: BS
By Argon18 on 12/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: BS
By MartyLK on 12/14/2012 12:21:27 PM , Rating: 3
If Microsoft weren't controlling Windows Phone, it could be *the* system to have for a smartphone. As it is, WP is way too featureless and encumbered to restrictions and idiocy to be real competition to Apple and Google.

The UI and quality of operation and the looks of WP all appeal to me. But, much to MS's dismay, that "buttery smooth" operation that WP has had from the beginning is now a sweet part of Android 4.1.


RE: BS
By Florinator on 12/14/2012 12:48:47 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I am super glad, because I'm not a gmail user, I have a hotmail account, plus skydrive and the integration is simply great. Everything works, I'm lovin' it... I had a WP7 for the last two years as well.


RE: BS
By Argon18 on 12/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: BS
By seamonkey79 on 12/14/2012 5:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

Isn't that cute. Sorry but the arbitrary restrictions Microsoft put on Windows Phone are just too painful for most to bear. That's great that it works for you though. You and the three other people who actually bought into it.

Plus the truly awful app store that has no real substance, useless search feature, impossible to find anything. Not to mention the lack of tier-1 apps.

All these pain points add up to a closed ecosystem that most folks don't want anything to do with.


All of which was said about iOS and Android after it...


RE: BS
By nocturne on 12/14/2012 11:40:58 PM , Rating: 2
Quote just says no interest in a gmail or google drive app..

I imagine it's just a bit of rhetoric, and give them a few months and you'll likely have all the basic apps like youtube, gmail, google maps, drive, etc.


By neothe0ne on 12/14/2012 9:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
... because you've made up a lie.

Title of the source article is "Google rules out Gmail and Drive apps for Windows 8".

While the article doesn't discuss it, of course those of us on Windows 8 who've browsed the Store know that there are already some official Google apps in it.




Smart move
By atlblackops on 12/16/2012 2:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft is irrelevant in the tablet and smartphone market, so this is no surprise that Google is abandoning future dedicate apps for the platform. What would Google gain out of doing so?

I'm sure Google is not at all happy with MS's dishonest campaign with Bing vs Google as well.

Bottom line is that when it comes to tablets and smartphones, Microsoft is not a contender. That may change in the future, but I don't see any evidence to believe that.




Google Voice
By jimbojimbo on 12/14/2012 3:08:46 PM , Rating: 1
The number one thing holding me back from WP8 is Google Voice integration. Of all the phones it's completely embedded into Android phones so works perfectly. I'm not sure if WP8 can even be used with it except via a mobile web page. I guess I'll just wait or get another Android.




Stunning annoucement!
By Flunk on 12/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Schadenfroh on 12/14/2012 9:18:19 AM , Rating: 2
Google has no competition, didn't you read the other article?

http://www.dailytech.com/Google+CEO+We+Have+no+Rea...


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By kleinma on 12/14/2012 10:14:26 AM , Rating: 5
Except they have almost their entire service line on iOS...


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By cubby1223 on 12/14/2012 10:56:00 AM , Rating: 2
The strange thing is, at least before the iOS 6 update (don't know if it's still true after), Google was earning more profit per iPhone sold than they were per Android sold.

Of course they still develop for iOS. It is very profitable for them.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By B3an on 12/14/2012 1:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
And Win 8 sold 40 million copies in a month, and already has more users on Steam than OSX. Google are just being a-holes. Obviously scared of competition.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By geddarkstorm on 12/14/2012 2:40:47 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about?

NPD showed that there were very few actual sales of Windows 8. Furthermore, you're completely wrong about what Steam says http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Windows 8 is only 0.44% of the total. All the OSX versions together are over 3%. In fact, Windows 8 is behind the "Other" catagory for OSes which is 0.57%.

Windows 7 64-bit is by far in a way the dominate user base on Steam. Windows 8 is not gaining much traction at all.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By geddarkstorm on 12/14/2012 2:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
Oh oops, nevermind! My bad, didn't see the Windows 8 64-Bit at first which is at 4.25%. It is indeed greater than OSX, and is gaining some traction. That is good to see then! You were right.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By piroroadkill on 12/14/2012 10:21:38 AM , Rating: 4
Sarcasm? Ignorance? Trolling?

I'm not sure. Google builds some of the most popular applications available for their chief competitor in mobile: Apple's iOS.

They also make web applications that work on many browsers, and more telling: they contribute to open source projects.

I really have no idea what you're talking about.

I actually find it a little surprising they won't support Windows 8, but from a personal point of view, I'm a little pleased - I think Windows 8 is a mess.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By FITCamaro on 12/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Florinator on 12/14/2012 11:51:23 AM , Rating: 4
The integration is built into your Windows Phone 8. You simply add your gmail account to Settings / Email Accounts and you're done.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By FITCamaro on 12/14/2012 5:54:58 PM , Rating: 2
Still the Google Maps/Navigation issue


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By piroroadkill on 12/14/2012 12:00:04 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I should clarify, I mean Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8. I don't have much opinion on Phone 8, because I've never used it.


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By Argon18 on 12/14/2012 12:12:48 PM , Rating: 1
"Google isn't going to build apps for their competitors platforms? That's shocking... I'm so surprised... "

I assume that's sarcasm? In which case, would you kindly point out to the audience, what non-Microsoft platforms has Microsoft written applications for? Note: The half-baked Office release for OSX doesn't really count.

The fact of the matter is that Google releases native versions of nearly all its applications, on Windows, OSX, and Linux. And in the mobile space, they've released them on iOS and Android, which, lets face it, is 90+ percent of the market.

Microsoft on the other hand, is kind of the closed proprietary file formats, closed proprietary networking protocols, closed proprietary programming API's, and of course, closed proprietary applications that only run on Windows OS. Sorry, but no thinking individual would willingly lock themselves into that kind of a closed ecosystem. It's the dictionary definition of "vendor lock-in".


RE: Stunning annoucement!
By TakinYourPoints on 12/14/2012 5:57:33 PM , Rating: 3
Google builds apps for iOS. Their best version of Maps is the new one just released for it, and I'm sure that the Android version will be brought up to parity very soon, like what happened with the GMail app.

It is all about money. iOS is a huge source of income for Google, even larger than Android is for them. It makes sense to support a competing platform because of that. If WP8 and WinRT end up turning into potential large sources of income then I'm sure that Google will start making more apps for them.

It is actually the exact same reason most mobile developers have for supporting some platforms over others.


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