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Google's only top female executive has launched a collaboration to inspire young females to pursue coding

Today only 30 percent of Google Inc. (GOOG) employees are women.  That's not as bad as some Silicon Valley firms who have even fewer, but Google is concerned that too few young women today are dreaming big, hoping to become the next Bill Gates, Elon Musk, or Larry Page -- the next great software engineer.

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki is currently Google's highest ranking female employee.  She is the only female member of Google's 14-person "Management Team" of "Executive Officers" (6 men, 0 women) and "Senior Leadership (7 men, 1 woman).  Now Ms. Wojcicki, inspired by her own daughter, has launched a Google effort to inspire young girls to study computer science.
Google's demographics

She writes:

Unfortunately, there are far too few women like them and far too few young girls following their paths. In fact, fewer than one percent of high school girls express interest in majoring in computer science. 

This is an issue that hits home for me. My school-age daughter instinctively knows how to play games, watch videos and chat with friends online. She understands technology. And she likes using technology. But, she never expressed any interest in creating it herself. 

So, I decided to launch a campaign at home — connecting my daughter to coding resources, increasing my encouragement and introducing her to other girls interested in computer science. It wasn’t always easy, but it’s already showing results. She recently started learning basic computer languages and using code to do projects at home. 
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Nowadays, coding isn’t just a skill useful for working at a tech company; engineering isn’t just for engineers. Interior design. Medicine. Architecture. Music. No matter what a girl dreams of doing, learning how to code will help her get there. Their future — our future — is made with code. Let’s do what we can to make sure that future is as bright as possible. 

She calls her effort "Made with Code".  Her partners in the effort include:
Google Made w Code

Google, et al.'s effort consists thus far of: Today very few women are pursuing these kinds of opportunities.  Just 18.5 percent of the young people taking the AP computer science test last year were female.  Only 0.4 percent of female college students declare they want a computers science degree.  But those who do declare see a lot of success; 14 percent of CS graduates are women, according to The New York Times.  The concern is that the gender gap is widening, not closing. In 1986, 36 percent of CS grads were female.

It's nice to see Google working towards sharing knowledge and key job skills with a group which often is encouraged by society to overlook these opportunities.

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I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2014 12:53:25 PM , Rating: 5
And I have always viewed coding as a tool in my belt instead of a career. I actually used to write code for a living a decade ago... with a business degree. In retrospect, my business degree was a waste of time in some ways, worthwhile in others. I can tear down a company and delve into financials and come up with valuations with the best of them. But beyond that, like coding, it is a tool.

My daughter--I want more for her. I have friends who code for a living, were CS majors, and every one of them aside from those that own their own business, ultimately become jaded and burnt out by the monotony of it all. Many complain about their creativity being repressed due to either bureaucracy, policy or sales-driven processes beyond their control. The last thing I want to see her become is some miserable burnt-out husk perpetually stuck in middle management.

So frankly, I'd rather see her major in something like Physics or Mathematics (or ideally a combination of both), or even another scientific discipline like biochemistry or straight out chemisty/chemical engineering. Personally, I think Physics and Mathematics would ultimately be far more valuable.

See, and I'm prepared to get flamed here as I am sure I will, any physicist or mathemetician can learn how to code and in fact, many of them do in order to create algortihms to test with or custom software as tools... but Physics and Mathematics are keys to the kingdom of knowledge. With both, you can create and discover like no other--and answer the proverbial question of "why?" A great minor to complement those would be something like Mechanical Engineering. Then you can answer "how?"

If she went on to get a PHD in Astrophysics I would be ecstatic. Will she? Probably not. But a dad has to have his dreams, right? I can do my best to share with her secrets of astro, quantum and particle physics, to name just a few, at the dinner table every night. I have to do something to overcome her obsession with princesses, right? Even if she is only four... the seeds must be planted early. ;)




RE: I have a daughter...
By peterrushkin on 6/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: I have a daughter...
By inighthawki on 6/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2014 2:18:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh believe me, my daughter is going to be a firecracker when she's a teenager. She already is. She also has a really big heart.

But seriously... will I do as I outlined above? Probably not. But I'll probably polish my shotgun a few times when the boys come by. It is fun to imagine, though!

Remember, as a parent you aren't in business to have your kids like you. In fact, if they never, ever get mad at you, then you're doing something wrong!


RE: I have a daughter...
By christojojo on 6/20/2014 11:35:23 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately I will lose my up vote for you. But in this excessively liberal no rule world its a shame people don't understand the need for "no". They expect everything handed to them perfectly and no real work is allowed. If they don't get their way its sexism, racism, religious prosecution, too much religion not enough. Never ever do those that whine think that they have to actually work for and earn something. NO helps learn that working for something is the only way its worth while.


RE: I have a daughter...
By CharonPDX on 6/21/2014 11:20:46 PM , Rating: 3
That is a seriously warped vision of "liberal" - I usually find it is conservatives who fight for "everything they can get" and claim it was only their own hard work that brought it to them, without acknowledging the contributions of others around them.

Conservatives also seem to be the ones who react most negatively to being told "no."

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST OTHERS?!? IT'S MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE?!?!"

The difference is: Conservatives want to say no to things that affect the personal behavior of others at no expense to themselves, Liberals want to say no to things that affect the business behavior of everyone at the expense of anyone.


RE: I have a daughter...
By wordsworm on 6/21/2014 10:58:03 AM , Rating: 1
Sounds like you have a lot of homo erotic fantasies.


RE: I have a daughter...
By FaaR on 6/21/14, Rating: 0
RE: I have a daughter...
By peterrushkin on 6/21/2014 9:47:53 PM , Rating: 1
Just think.

How many strip clubs in america?
How many strippers in america?
How many pronstars in america?
How many women on tinder/craigslist/backpage?

What is the likely hood of daddies dreams of his princess (firecracker) being crushed?

Very likely if you ask me ! :D


RE: I have a daughter...
By jRaskell on 6/23/2014 9:28:08 AM , Rating: 3
As a percentage of total number of women in America, all pretty low. Your attempt at correlation fails.


RE: I have a daughter...
By SlyNine on 6/20/2014 6:05:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, because that's how you separate the good ones from the bad ones..

The only thing you'd be separating is the sane people, Cause only a psychopath would want to be part of the family you describe there.


RE: I have a daughter...
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2014 1:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
You might be interested in this.

https://www.play-i.com/


RE: I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2014 1:52:27 PM , Rating: 2
Hah! That's really neat, actually. It reminds me of Capsela. Remember that? The orb look of it recalls fond memories from years gone by. Except in this case, the construction isn't adding more orbs, but adding in "modules" of graphical code.

It's like Verbot™ on crack! (and actually potentially useful) I dunno if you can activate it by voice, though.

Thanks for that. It is very interesting.


RE: I have a daughter...
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2014 2:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
I want them myself for when I have kids but $230 for something I'm not going to use yet doesn't make much sense.


RE: I have a daughter...
By amanojaku on 6/21/2014 9:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It reminds me of Capsela. Remember that?
Remember it? Dude, Capsela is one of the reasons I became an engineer!

And you'll be happy to know it's back!!! (Interestingly, Capsela was invented by the Uni-Ball Pen company as part of its educational toys series.)

http://www.iqkey.jp/


RE: I have a daughter...
By Mint on 6/22/2014 11:57:50 AM , Rating: 2
For me it was Lego Technic. Has everything you need to express mechanical creativity: hinges, axles, gears, universal joints, cable actuators, motors, even freaking pneumatics!

Mindstorms came out too late me to use, but it turns Lego into the ultimate prototyping tool.

I can only imagine what the next generation of kids will come up with when you pair Lego with 3D printers.


RE: I have a daughter...
By AkramMajed on 6/21/2014 2:29:07 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing found special here.


RE: I have a daughter...
By ctodd on 6/20/2014 1:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
One word, Pharmacology . There are a bunch of old people needing drugs.


RE: I have a daughter...
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2014 2:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
My mom is a pharmacist and makes a lot of money as a specialty pharmacy manager but will tell no one to go into pharmacy.


RE: I have a daughter...
By Murloc on 6/20/2014 1:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
what's the point in studying something different if you end up in the same career that makes you jaded?

I think picking engineering mathematics or physics is a good choice regardless if you want flexibility, provided you like that sort of stuff.


RE: I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2014 1:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
Well, truthfully, any career that stifles creativity can make anyone jaded except for those that delight in repetitive activity for eight hours a day, five days a week until they retire.

My motive is more to guide her towards something that can open new doors of discovery with limitless opportunity. It isn't exactly to benefit her financially (as I view this as a shallow goal), but to provide ultimate benefit to mankind through discovery and innovation.

I think so many children push the sciences aside in pursuit of immediate monetary reward and neglect the long-term benefit that study in the sciences (and arts as a hobby to complement development of right-brained thinking) can provide.


RE: I have a daughter...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2014 4:16:04 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone complains about their job. You could have the best job in the world, but the minute you start talking about it, you come off like a bitter "burned out husk".

Your daughter could do a lot worst than being a ridiculously paid and perked coder. A LOT worse.

Physics and mathematics, in THIS economy? LOl good luck in the job market!! She'll have a mountain of tuition debt and won't be any better off than a starting coder at a half-decent firm.


RE: I have a daughter...
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2014 4:54:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well it all depends on her aptitude. She's four so who knows, right? I know she is bright, very bright at times. But as a parent shouldn't we guide them in directions that avoid past mistakes or potential red flags?

I coded a long time ago. I was good at it. But I saw it as a dead-end of boredom, at least, for myself. It won't be the same for everyone. I don't even work in the software industry anymore. I play the market for a living and write science fiction on the side. That's not so bad, right? But if I start talking about what I do--I don't get bitter... I get excited. Sure, there are downsides to it, like everything, but there is plenty of great stuff to be found.

I want her to find that, too. And I don't want her to pursue it for the wrong reasons. As I've written on here before, I've stared death in the face and almost punched my last ticket here on Earth. I've come to realize pursuit of a degree weighed purely on financial potential alone is setting yourself up for disappointment and misery. Instead, pursue something you are passionate about. With that passion, rewards can be had, some financial, some not.

Oh, and in case you haven't looked... in the United States, at least, there is a huge shortage of Science-based degrees at the moment and a demand for them. Particularly those with a PHD. This shortage will only continue to grow as long as our inadequate public school system focuses on asinine concepts such as standardized testing and teaching measured like a sales job would be.

Maybe that's my flaw--the writer in me. Us ponderers of the prose tend to have a twinge of idealism nestled deep inside us. Between it is our human core, being torn between the former and the latter, our human lusts and desires. Some choose personal worth through material gain while others... others seek recognition through advancing entire societies with our musings and discoveries.

Coding will put bread on the table but will it ever answer, "Why?" Probably not. It will help you answer "how" but without knowing "why," will there ever be a reason to solve "how," to begin with? That's what makes the sciences so great. They give us that "why" that everyone else can aspire to show us "how."


RE: I have a daughter...
By M'n'M on 6/20/2014 7:12:36 PM , Rating: 3
I'm going to partly side w/Reclaimer on this. Yes, if she's smart eventually just being a code monkey will become boring. There's a certain assumption in that ... that she, like most males, looks for life satisfaction via her job. The good thing is ... she's not a male.

Also starting out as a "coder" is just an entry level step into the world. She may progress from there to do other things ... if she's good enough. And even then the boredom you worry about will be there. I'm a principal engineer at a Fortune 100 company, a big defense company. I've seen and worked some interesting projects over my 30+ years but even now ... most are just "boring". I won't say it's the same thing as being the proverbial Maytag repairman (or engineer) but it's there. And I suspect the same is true in any field, higher math and applied physics ... short of staying in Academia. And the job outlook for math and physics majors is a lot narrower than for engineers and "coders". Get a job, make some $$s and then progress to what you want to do ... life allowing.

You want total freedom to do what intrigues you (her) ... you (she) need to start your own business. And please tell me what it is, I might be interested in doing something ... interesting.


RE: I have a daughter...
By peterrushkin on 6/20/2014 7:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
"You want total freedom to do what intrigues you (her) ... you (she) need to start your own business. And please tell me what it is, I might be interested in doing something ... interesting."

This. I have been working for over 22/23 years. I started with Win 3.1 and Novell 5. I have done Windows/Linux support, active directory, dns, dhcp, assembling PCs, racks, working in a data center and also developing amongst a whole bunch of tech. Definitely some of it was boring, some of it was really cool.

What do I do now? I run an ad agency. You wouldnt believe the amount of clicks that we do. We have a from the ground up platform which I developed and a distributed platform with amazon using pretty much all of their features. I love scalable groups, the elasticache and only paying for what you are using. We have peaks and troughs and paying for only when a box is up is great.

I was lucky I had the background in both being a systems architect and a seasoned developer to pull this off. Without both, I would be screwed.

That's where the real money and job satisfaction is. Every $$$ we do, 50% at least is mine and its a really big chunk of change.

Would I quit and work for someone else? Not unless they can pay me a million a year lol.


RE: I have a daughter...
By PaFromFL on 6/21/2014 9:07:09 AM , Rating: 2
"Oh, and in case you haven't looked... in the United States, at least, there is a huge shortage of Science-based degrees at the moment and a demand for them. Particularly those with a PHD."

The shortage of STEM professionals is myth. The shortage of STEM professionals who are willing to work hard for substandard wages and benefits is true. Many companies exploited the economic downturn to layoff STEM professionals over the age of 50 to save on salaries and health costs. Companies are always pushing to increase immigration quotas so they can exploit talented foreigners.

It is difficult to earn a STEM degree and the relative rewards are very low compared to a business degree. Back in the day, my Ph.D. in Physics was (and still is) worthless (not directly applicable to oil exploration). I had to quickly earn a M.S.E.E. to get hired at a decent wage. The only surefire way for a young engineer to succeed is to obtain a high security clearance for work that cannot be outsourced.


RE: I have a daughter...
By Ristogod on 6/20/2014 10:01:39 PM , Rating: 2
You're right in that coding is a tool. It's too bad that so many in the fields of computer sciences are so horrific using that tool.

There's a big difference between someone who knows how to "code" and someone who does software development, or systems architecting, or anything along those lines. I'm surrounded by people daily who know how to code that can barely perform the actions needed to satisfy the requirements of their job. So I can understand why they become jaded or tired of it. When you are in a position where you are doing a job and you aren't very good at it, it has to be exhausting as no one is getting any satisfaction, not those asking, nor those doing.


Whatever
By amanojaku on 6/20/2014 12:54:52 PM , Rating: 5
I agree that there needs to be more women in IT, especially on the development side. Thing is, this effort isn't about diversity, it's about this woman's kids.

If it was about diversity, she'd be targeting Hispanic, Black and other, as well. They don't even have 10% between them!

If it was about diversity, she would encourage ALL races and BOTH genders so that their distribution in software equals their national percentages.

The common problem with these "diversity" pushes is they encourage imbalance by championing one group.




RE: Whatever
By Schrag4 on 6/20/2014 1:46:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If it was about diversity, she would encourage ALL races and BOTH genders so that their distribution in software equals their national percentages.


If they want diversity for the sake of diversity, focusing on the missing demographics is the way to do it. What good would it do those seeking diversity to encourage all races and genders to pursue a job in IT if it meant that even more white males followed their advice?

And I don't agree that these pushes encourage imbalance. Like you, I don't think we should be racist or sexist by promoting one race or gender over others, but if you're honest with yourself you'll acknowledge that there are imbalances everywhere in life, and in order to bring balance, you either have to encourage the smaller demographics or penalize the larger (or both). The question I have is "why do we need balance everywhere?" Are females actively being led away from the IT field? My guess is many of them would simply rather do something else. Just my 0.02


RE: Whatever
By Rukkian on 6/20/2014 1:50:48 PM , Rating: 1
Somebody has to champion the push for other diversity. If a person (in this case, a white woman) has a passion to help other women (of all races, religions, etc) get excited about it, great.

In the end, somebody with a passion to help other minorities get into this would be required. It is not up to her to help others that she is not passionate about.


RE: Whatever
By Schrag4 on 6/20/2014 7:24:05 PM , Rating: 3
Why does someone have to champion for diversity? I have not witnessed any specific encouragement for white males to go into the IT field, and I have not seen any specific discouragement toward females (or anyone else) either. At some point you have to face reality and acknowledge that men and woman are different. There are reasons more men than woman can be found in IT. It's not intentionally sexist, it's just reality.

It's sad that I also have to add this paragraph, but yes, I realize there are women out there who excel in the field of IT (as well as many men who don't), but they don't necessarily owe their success to some champion for women's placement in IT, they succeeded because they were born with the ability and the desire to succeed in IT. Some people are wired to like this stuff, some people aren't. It doesn't mean they're stupid, it just means they potentially have other strengths.

I'll try to put it another way: If some young girl isn't really into IT, is she better off ending up in a career that she has absolutely no passion for? I say "no." If she's naturally drawn to the field, though, and genuinely passionate about IT, she will succeed if she tried hard. Now take that statement and replace "girl" with "human" - that would be the TRULY politically- correct way of thinking about it.


RE: Whatever
By M'n'M on 6/20/2014 8:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
You have the same question as I do ... but type much faster. Do we need more diversity in typists ?


RE: Whatever
By EricMartello on 6/20/2014 11:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with what you said, and just want to add that you don't need to cater to the PC police. We have a 1st Amendment and we live in a free society. If your opinion differs from whatever the liberals' flavor-of-the-month issue happens to be then you should state it and not worry if some whiny douche somewhere gets offended.

I'd also add that the people who clamor for diversity are doing so for themselves and not for the betterment of society. Their thought process is basically along the lines of: "hey, look at me, I'm such a great person because I've declared that there are classes of people that aren't as good as me and I want to make them feel insecure and uncomfortable if they don't make the same choices I do."


RE: Whatever
By M'n'M on 6/20/2014 7:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Somebody has to champion the push for other diversity.

Why ?

If this were a proper discussion forum vs a DT article comment section, I'd stop there.

How does diversity benefit the product, in this case code, or in the larger case, any engineered product ? Because a diversity of gender or ethnicity won't make the wheel any rounder or easier to roll. Now if you're talking about making a product more saleable to a wider portion of the population, I might agree. But that's not "coding" or STEM, that's marketing.

Let the flames commence.


RE: Whatever
By tng on 6/23/2014 1:50:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How does diversity benefit the product, in this case code, or in the larger case, any engineered product ?

Yeah, it doesn't, but it does make someone happy to push the subject and feel like she is making a difference. Who knows, maybe she will make a difference.


Only 30% huh
By SlyNine on 6/20/2014 5:59:41 PM , Rating: 4
My god, I guess everything should be >50% woman. woman should make as much or 'more' than men, be as good or better at everything and still get more grants, loans, and opportunities.

That's when these feminists will be happy.

She acts like something is holding woman back from "coding/programing" and there isn't. So why not support boys as well?




RE: Only 30% huh
By peterrushkin on 6/20/2014 6:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
I know I'm going to get hugely downvoted for this. But hey, unless you have lived it seen it you won't know.

A lot of women get educated and well, they have a kid. This changes everything. Suddenly priorities change (which they should) and then she can only work in certain places/areas or carry on school for so long. Or there is a situation where a couple get together and the woman will chose to support the husband in getting his degree first and then she gets hers but sometimes doesnt work out that way for the first situation i described.

At the end of the day, there are reasons why women aren't more into certain industries and its more a sociological reasons rather than choosing not to follow a particular educational path.


RE: Only 30% huh
By SlyNine on 6/20/2014 6:22:39 PM , Rating: 4
non sequitur. The premises you used for your conclusion all involve choices. Right now girls are leading boys in academics. Girls are enrolling in college more and graduating more then boys. So it sounds like the problem is the opposite of what you described.

If she chooses to have a kid, with a guy that wont stick around and help. That's her choice.

There are reasons. but simply catering too girls because they CHOOSE not to do something is not the answer. 30% is not a bad number AT ALL!


RE: Only 30% huh
By Keeir on 6/21/2014 10:50:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If she chooses to have a kid, with a guy that wont stick around and help. That's her choice.
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I work as a project lead and I often staff my projects (1-2 year projects) with 25-35 year old engineers. My experience is this:

When a male engineer has a child, they take 2-3 weeks off and come back working extra hard and extra long.

When a female engineer has a child, they take up to 6 months off and come back with "I can only work between X and Y hours" and often seem distracted.

I wonder what the distribution of gender is when broken up by ages. I've seen many "good" female engineers move out of actual engineering into management or other career choices due to the choice of having a family... or just move away from work period when their husbands make a high living wage.


RE: Only 30% huh
By stmok on 6/22/2014 2:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
My god, I guess everything should be >50% woman. woman should make as much or 'more' than men, be as good or better at everything and still get more grants, loans, and opportunities. That's when these feminists will be happy.


They do NOT want equality. Like politicians, PR people, lawyers, con-artists, etc; one is wise to look at what they ACTUALLY do and IGNORE what they say . It is their ACTIONS that will reveal their true nature and intent!

Once you become aware of that, you quickly come to the conclusion that Feminists don't want Equality. Their ultimate goal is to put ALL women in positions of power, privilege, and status...While you (if you are a male), will be an uneducated work drone; slave away paying taxes to THEIR endless creation of "women's groups" and govt depts that feed off the taxpayer trough. Or even pay more for your health insurance in order to "offset the gender imbalance" of females. (Specific gyno-related health services cost money. As such, women's health costs more. And women's groups want ALL men to pay for this "inequality". Even gay males! Seriously, wouldn't you be pissed if you had to pay for something you don't even want?)

This is when Feminists will be happy: When all males are subservient to all women.

This isn't about Equality. This is about Retribution.

Everyone notice one other very important thing:

Once a Feminist gets into a position of privilege, status, and power; they will constantly be promoting women as victims and need more help. They will always claim its because males or male-controlled organizations have been holding them back.
=> We need more diversity! (They constantly chant this).

...Even when males have done everything and left females to decide for themselves. This article in question is the very example of this!

Why? They will NEVER be happy until things are THEIR way and run under THEIR way. They cannot accept that people (as individuals), can decide for themselves. They cannot accept that such a situation would be out of their control.

Anyone remember that stupid campaign "Ban Bossy"?

...Again, created by privileged women who practice the feminist rhetoric. (That turned out to be a spectacular failure as people mocked them for such empty nonsense.)

And this is what normal, decent people should be doing. Mock lunatics (idiots?) and help those in need to help themselves.

I wonder what would happen if a regular woman got so sick of Feminists and actually punched one in the face at a rally/demonstration?

Or even a woman shouting down a Feminist on TV?
=> "You didn't do this for me! I did this myself! ME! I didn't vote for you to represent ME! You self-appointed yourselves like dictators and tyrants! You bully others to submit to you! You rob me of my dignity of achievement when you push for gender quotas! My life! My choice! My responsibility! Get lost!"

...Now that would be a sight to see!
(I know its not going to happen. Women generally don't want to rock the boat and do things by consensus in order not to hurt other people's feelings...Its to do with the fact they deeply value relationships more than males.)

The more observe, the more I realize that deep down every heart of a Feminist is a tyrant or dictator who will do much harm to society as a whole if their "utopian ideals" are played to its fruition. (People are already hurting, frustrated, angry, and annoyed whenever they're around and impose their BS upon everyone.)

Feminists have shown who they really are by their actions. There is really nothing left to discuss with them. Give them an inch, they will take a mile. Lesson to learn? Don't cooperate with their BS.

In fact, the greatest thing one can do in this post-modernist age of constant activism and victim-hood is to not cooperate with BS imposed upon you.

Seriously, what is the worst they can do if you gave them the finger and told them to go f$#^ themselves?

Remember how that Duck Dynasty guy stood by his principles and the gay-activist mafia eventually backed down?

That's the key to fighting all activists in general...Don't tolerate their BS and call them out. They will be forced to react to you by changing tactics.

(Reacting to someone in competition or in war is how one loses. What do American military folks call that? "Taking the initiative and denying it to the opposition" ???)


I'd Like to See More Data
By Stiggalicious on 6/20/2014 1:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm getting tired of people saying "there's not enough diversity in tech! We need to do something!"
The problem isn't with companies refusing to hire women and minorities into the workplace. There are numerous race & gender protections in place, and generally companies will prefer diversity over a monotonous white-male workforce, especially in upstart places like the Bay Area. We are well past the age of reacting strangely when women enter the workforce.

Why are there so few female engineers and CS majors? It has nothing to do with talent - in fact, I guarantee that women are more likely to be successful coders since their minds tend to be more organized and are able to think about multiple different issues at once. It has everything to do with interest, especially in schools. When kids get to choose their classes, girls tend to not care as much about computers as boys, so the gender skew begins there. It's their own personal decision, and good for them and the schools for allowing them to decide. If schools want to add CS to their curriculum, then by all means go ahead. Teaching kids computer code is a fantastic move by the LA school district. I'm very curious to see how that will affect the gender skew in the next 10-15 years.

I'd like to see some data on this:
1. What's the difference between graduation rates for STEM programs for men vs. women? White vs. non-white? Are women more or less likely to finish their STEM degree than men?
2. What's the gender skew for CS classes in high schools? When do girls lose interest in CS? Do they just never acquire any interest in the first place?




RE: I'd Like to See More Data
By Murloc on 6/20/2014 1:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
the % of women in certain engineering faculties in my university is about 40% if not more.

Stuff like biomedical engineering, engineering management, energy engineering attracts females.

They hate electronics and computer engineering with their guts though. Mechanical and aerospace not as much, but quite a lot still.


RE: I'd Like to See More Data
By FITCamaro on 6/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: I'd Like to See More Data
By kattanna on 6/20/2014 2:43:27 PM , Rating: 2
well.. here is some hard data..

the past 2 times I have listed a job opening for tech/admin here in Los angeles, out of about 60-70 resumes, I would only get 1-2 that were female.


RE: I'd Like to See More Data
By someguy123 on 6/20/2014 4:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
I get the feeling I'll be labeled sexist for this, but, anecdotally, the women I've worked with that have "chased" careers based on scholarship programs, median wages, or incentives besides general interest have always ended up being horrible employees that spend more time complaining and causing problems than working. To be fair, this is only a sample of about 11 or so women that I've worked with that have openly complained while also providing a little background, but most of them ended up choosing their careers due to field-specific scholarships or workforce development programs.

Men that I've worked with in similar situations on the other hand will just turn into zombies and do their jobs halfassed, but still get the job done when its crunch time. In either case, I think focusing specifically on "appealing" to people, especially with field-specific scholarships, is the wrong way to go about it. People tend to go for the free ride or the flavor of the month even when their interests don't align. You need to begin building the interest at home and focus on giving girls the opportunity to adopt coding at schools with better facilities, materials, and teachers for ALL students. Emphasizing something as the new female meal ticket is just going to create a generation of bitter women.


:(
By timoseewho on 6/23/2014 6:52:57 AM , Rating: 2
what happened to the good old days when girls were just good for cooking and cleaning




RE: :(
By jRaskell on 6/23/2014 9:28:38 AM , Rating: 2
Best thing about the good old days? They're gone.


why?
By Yojimbo on 6/20/2014 2:17:34 PM , Rating: 3
Why not just let people be free? There has to be a problem first in order to find a solution.




Diversity or Communism?
By SteelRing on 6/20/2014 4:19:15 PM , Rating: 2
WTF is all this obsession that every freakin profession need to have exact representation of all races and genders????

Not all human beings are created equal why should they all have the same jobs and interests? The idea of capitalism and freedom is that each individual plays and exploits their own unique strengths. As long as there are no barriers for any individuals to pursue what they feel is best for them then THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

If this is a problem then not having more Asians in NFL is also a problem, and not having more male wedding planners is also a disaster.

This BS is nothing but another PR stunt required of female executives or they'll be criticized for not doing anything. The fact that she's an astounding coder does not mean other females are throwing away their lives by not coding. Get a life.




RE: Diversity or Communism?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Diversity or Communism?
By atechfan on 6/21/2014 6:15:37 AM , Rating: 1
It is a pretty bogus criticism, as Google is in a field that women have not traditionally been interested. Luckily, this woman is approaching it the right way. She isn't calling for any sort of fake hiring quota or any other affirmative action bullshit. She is trying to show girls that knowledge of coding can be helpful in many careers, not just developers. The only part I don't understand is using Chelsea Clinton as one of their spokespeople.


CS First
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2014 12:58:32 PM , Rating: 2
You should look at Google's CS First initiative that they're piloting here in Charleston to try and teach kids the fundamentals of coding and logic in general (something people today generally lack altogether).

http://www.csfirst.net/

I went to the meetings and plan to familiarize myself with the material so I can teach it to home schooled kids.




Discrete Math
By CyranD on 6/20/2014 1:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
Personally I would like to see Discrete Mathematics taught at a younger age. If you understand Discrete mathematical concepts then the logic behind almost any programming language should seem more natural to you.




HALT_AND_CATCH_FIRE
By US56 on 6/20/2014 2:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
Highly recommend this AMC series for anyone with an interest in tech history but not because it rings true. It's so crazy and over the top it's fun to watch just to see what the nutty characters are going to do next. Also fun to pick out all the historical and technical inaccuracies. The best thing about the show is the period music. It's set in Texas in the early eighties about a highly fictionalized effort to clone the original IBM PC à la Columbia Data Products, Compaq, et al. Pertinent to this thread, one of the key characters is a supposed genius chick CS student (sort of a toned down version of Joan Jett) who is hired to develop, alone and with no outside help, a "legal" (Chinese Wall/"clean room" environment) PC clone BIOS although there's no reason given to believe that she can code a "Hello World" program in BASIC. The title comes from many of the mnemonics jokingly ascribed to undocumented but apparently functional op codes on old mainframes, minicomputers and microprocessors. Warning to sensitive viewers and parents: There is some profanity and gratuitous sex but so far no violence.




Enough of this "classist" crap
By EricMartello on 6/20/2014 11:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'm quite fed up with these types of "movements" to encourage some particular class to try something new because in America and many other countries in the world, there is really nobody saying that a woman cannot become a coder, a doctor, a physicist or any other field commonly considered "male dominated".

The idiots who think they're heaven-sent for promoting things like this don't seem to realize that just because other people didn't choose the same path they did in life doesn't mean that the other people are full of regret. Not just that, but MOST women just don't do well with logic and reason, and in general are not interested in writing computer programs.

Men and women are wired differently and most men are going to have an easier time with logic than women. Women will have an easier time with abstract, creative things. So what? Do what you're good at and pay no mind to how many other people of your "class" do or don't do whatever you are doing...but choosing to do something primarily or solely to prove 'everyone' wrong is asinine and typically fruitless.

Most women will, at best, be average coders...and the ones who are naturally inclined to excel at something like coding don't need some dumb liberal to tell them what to do.

What I always find hilarious is when fat/ugly women try to put down women who are good-looking and pursue work as a model or actress, claiming are "wasting" themselves when they could be scientists or coders. GTFO

Just like having above-average intelligence is a-luck-of-the-draw, so is beauty...and both things fade over time so saying that intelligence should be held in higher regard than looks is pure stupidity.

All people have some strengths and weaknesses - none is particularly better than the other. What's more important is that PEOPLE accept that they're going to be better at certain tasks than others, and should focus on what they're good at rather than trying to fulfill some moronic ideological quota. How effectively you use what you have is more important than what you have.




By Anonymous9000 on 6/22/2014 10:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
There's an awful lot of angry white males in these comments. Lay off. There's absolutely nothing wrong with promoting diversity in a field where girls are socially indoctrinated from a young age to think they're not "cool" if they get into it — even more so than boys.

The more people in these fields the better our future, and that's a fact irrespective of whatever feelings of insecurity that compels these white males to get angry over this as if it's something negative.

I seriously cannot even picture what kind of confident man would feel "threatened" by an initiative to get more of our American youths into tech fields just because it has scary "femaaaaales".

What a joke. The world doesn't revolve around you, so grow up.




Really?
By tng on 6/23/2014 1:42:06 PM , Rating: 2
So one of her "Partners" is Chelsea Clinton?

Seeing how she probably has a much higher paying job because of her parents connections than her abilities, why wouldn't you include Paris Hilton as well?




Too bad the Kardashains
By overlandpark on 6/23/2014 9:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
weren't exposed (instead of their risk to the health of many) to this. They'd still be whores, but it least I wouldn't have to stare at stories about them daily




PERSONALITY & COGNITIVE PROCESSES
By mmc4587 on 6/23/2014 9:52:56 PM , Rating: 2
For every consummate worker out there living up to their potential, there are 2 or 3 that are not living up to their potential...
...WHY? --Because smart is not enough.

If your job does not suit your temperment (introverted vs extroverted, etc.) you will have great difficulty excelling--because too much of your energy will be spent coping with stress/boredom/etc...

You want women coders?
Start giving girls personality tests,
and then encourage those who would be comfortable coding encouragement. ..it really is that simple (and you might also find out that girls don't often fit the "loner" personality type that is most comfortable in coding environments).




By atechfan on 6/23/2014 7:02:40 AM , Rating: 1
People are going off on affirmative action tangents. Nothing in this plan by Google suggests anything like hiring quotas or any of the other shit that goes with affirmative action. This is an education initiative aimed at showing girls that coding can apply to a lot more careers than being a software dev. It looks as if they are showing girls that coding knowledge can be helpful in many traditionally "female" interests. If it results in more female coders as a side effect, then that is great too.

Since Google is a software company, it does kind of fit within their area of knowledge. I can't believe that I, not being a huge Google fan, have to be the one to defend Google's right to spend their money however the hell they want.




Programmers
By 2bdetermine on 6/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Programmers
By amanojaku on 6/20/2014 4:26:45 PM , Rating: 2
It's hard to take your opinion seriously when you write like that. Copy and paste this:
quote:
You know what the current generation of programmers is? A bunch of clueless idiots. (Or "Clueless, idiotic, etc..." ) They don't code, just copy and paste.
It's hard to take this seriously even when written correctly. If you're judging "the current generation of programmers" using smartphone apps and open source as your reference, you're expectations are too high. Software written by people who've never taken formal classes and abandon their projects after two years are bound to be buggy and less-than optimal.

On the other hand, software available from many companies, open source projects, and independent developers, are quite good. There are a lot of talented programmers out there. There are just a lot more programmers, period. And software has gotten way more complex. You're bound to see more crap when there's more software being produced daily.


RE: Programmers
By 2bdetermine on 6/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Programmers
By slow_excellence on 6/24/2014 1:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to waste a bunch of time, sure go right ahead. Just because people copy/paste code, it doesn't mean that they don't know jack sh*t about it. There are always people out there that have a better understanding which you can use to your advantage and LEARN from. Then you can take those points you learned from that project and apply it in future ones. I've learned more from picking apart people's code and applying it for my own uses than I have from doing my own from scratch. Why try to reinvent the wheel?


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