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New ITC complaint leverages 8 of Motorola's patents

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has made it pretty clear that it wants to try to ban all of the top Android phonemakers off the market.  Google Inc. (GOOG) has vowed to fight back, using the treasure trove of patents from its recent acquisition Motorola Mobility to help protect its partners.  Google was seeking a ban on Apple's iPhone, iPad, and Mac computers to counter a potential Android ban.

Thus far that protection scheme didn't work out so well, as Google-owned Motorola Mobility and Apple had their suits/counter-suits twice tossed from the U.S. District Court, Northern District of Illinois (Chicago).  In fact, so far federal courts have proven relatively retiscent to ban products from either side.

So Motorola Mobility's latest legal salvo -- a 50 page complaint [PDF] with 187 exhibits, pertaining to eight patents -- instead hopes to sway the U.S. International Trade Commission to ban imports of Apple's products, an approach that Apple successfully used to ban shipments of top Android phonemaker HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) earlier in the year.

The new suit targets:
  • iPod Touch
  • iPhone 3GS
  • iPhone 4
  • iPhone 4S
  • iPad2
  • "the new Apple iPad (aka the iPad3)
  • Mac Pro
  • iMac
  • Mac Mini
  • MacBook Pro
  • MacBook Air
It demands satisfaction in the form of a resolution within 15 months and a court-order "excluding entry into the United States of wireless communications devices, portable music and data processing devices, computers, and components thereof that infringe."

As Apple manufacturers all its products outside the U.S., this means, basically, a complete ban of all Apple's products.

Apple products
Google is seeking to ban virtually all Apple's devices [Image Source: Apple]

The lawsuit leverages eight patents:
  • No. 5,883,580, "Geographic-Temporal Significant Messaging"
  • No. 5,922,047 "Apparatus, Method and System for Multimedia Control and Communication"
  • No. 6,425,002 "Apparatus and Method for Handling Dispatching Messages for Various Applications of a Communication Device"
  • No. 6,493,673 "Markup Language for Interactive Services And Methods Thereof"
  • No. 6,983,370 "System For Providing Continuity Between Messaging Clients And Method Therefor"
  • No. 7,007,064 "Method And Apparatus For Obtaining And Managing Wirelessly Communicated Content"
  • No. 7,383,983 "System And Method For Managing Content Between Devices In Various Domains"
A couple of quick thoughts on the patents:
  1. They appear not to be standards patents -- e.g. Motorola Mobility's standard 3G/4G fodder.  This means that they are likely not subject to "fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory" (FRAND) licensing requirements, something that has plagued Google's past attempts to litigate against Apple.  In other words, Apple and Google are now fighting on a level playing field.
     
  2. The patents -- much like Apples -- are often rather ambiguous/nebulous in terms of describing there invention.  Given the broad descriptions (e.g. the one patent appears to be describing all forms of geo-tagged communication), it may be hard for Apple to escape from being found in infringement, must as Android has struggled to escape Apple's vague and overly broad patents.

WWIII is upon us in the patent world -- the dying Apple co-founder Steven P. Jobs wish for "thermonuclear" legal war has come to fruition.  

Thermonuclear war
Steve Jobs dying wish of "thermonuclear war" with Android has been fully realized.

It's possible that only a handful of products will be banned, but as Apple and Google step up their legal barrages, it's also quite possible that most Android and Apple devices could eventually become subject to a ban -- an outcome that one would expect -- or at least hope -- would lead to a broad cross-licensing pact à la Apple and Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) "special arrangement".

One thing's for sure, though.  Google isn't about to roll over and die or let the same happen to its partners.  It is determined to fight Apple's efforts to the bitter end.

Sources: Groklaw [1], [2]



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GO Google
By momorere on 8/21/2012 5:10:04 PM , Rating: 5
It's about time Google jumps in and starts to sue crApple. Hopefully they hand Apple their ass on a silver platter and gives the a HUGE taste of their own medicine.




RE: GO Google
By Schadenfroh on 8/21/2012 5:51:02 PM , Rating: 4
Be careful what you wish for Apple... you are about to get your freaking THERMONUCLEAR WAR .

Maybe from the ashes, patent reform will rise...


RE: GO Google
By retrospooty on 8/21/2012 6:06:52 PM , Rating: 5
LOL... I dont want Apple products banned. Its not any more right than banning Samsung or Google, but in this case, I am glad Google is doing it. If for no other reason than to smack the smug look off Apples face.


"You want to keep me out of Del Boca Vista? I'M COMING TO DEL BOCA VISTA"
- Frank Costanza


RE: GO Google
By Reclaimer77 on 8/21/2012 6:24:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I am glad Google is doing it. If for no other reason than to smack the smug look off Apples face.


Word!


RE: GO Google
By Mitch101 on 8/21/2012 8:04:56 PM , Rating: 5
Word is a Microsoft product lets you and I not go there.


RE: GO Google
By spamreader1 on 8/22/2012 11:55:11 AM , Rating: 3
Make sure you don't put Microsoft directly in front of Word or they'll charge you a nickel.


RE: GO Google
By BifurcatedBoat on 8/22/2012 4:00:11 PM , Rating: 3
I don't either actually. I want Apple to see that this strategy they've been pursuing cuts both ways though, and go back to focusing on their own products instead of on banning someone else's.


RE: GO Google
By DT_Reader on 8/22/2012 4:12:17 PM , Rating: 3
Speak for yourselves. I'd love to see Apple's products banned, if only until they reach an agreement with Google. It would serve them right.

The fact that Apple was able to patent the rectangle is proof enough that our patent system is FUBAR. SNAFU, indeed.


RE: GO Google
By Rukkian on 8/22/2012 5:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. I hate what Apple is doing, and will never own one, but do not want them banned. I want all the nonsense to just go away. Make the best device at the best price, and let the consumers choose.

If this gets all the bulls@&t to stop (amybe causeing a cross-licensing agreement), then I am all for it.


RE: GO Google
By TSS on 8/21/2012 7:09:20 PM , Rating: 4
I'm just so glad companies aren't allowed to have armies or militias. Could you imagine what would've happened if Google and Apple where mob families instead of tech companies?

I mean for all the failings of the judicial system atleast this stays confined to the judicial system.

Right?

....

If the start of the civil unrest and riots comes from apple products being banned instead of the actual financial crisis i'm seriously going to throw a fit.


RE: GO Google
By Schadenfroh on 8/21/2012 7:49:41 PM , Rating: 3
Since The Patent War is spreading well beyond tablets / phones...

Could you imagine the unrest if Google or Samsung managed to get Xbox Live shutdown to counter Microsoft's patent trolling?

How about if they had to disable broadcasts to all of those Motorola cable boxes that drive Comcast over a patent infringement?


RE: GO Google
By StoveMeister on 8/22/2012 3:03:55 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Since The Patent War is spreading well beyond tablets / phones...


I'm a bit worried for our American friends.
It looks like between Apple, Samsung and Google, you guys may have to get used to dumb phones, while the rest of the world laps up Apple/Android's assorted goodness.

Since Apple has managed to win the patent suits they have been won to date over there, there is every chance this suit will also succeed. And the likelihood of reform of patent laws (when lawyers write the laws and lobby for them) is pretty damn slim.

The world may, yet again, be divided along lines of "have" vs "have-not". But America may end up on the have-not side for a change


RE: GO Google
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 7:42:01 AM , Rating: 3
Thats a bit sensationalistic. The worst that would happen is a short term ban while ROM release is made that infringes the patents in question. Even that is highly unlikely. Most of this crap will get dismissed.


RE: GO Google
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 7:43:29 AM , Rating: 2
"while ROM release is made that changes the funtcion that infringes the patents in question.

grrr, no edit.


RE: GO Google
By StoveMeister on 8/23/2012 2:30:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Thats a bit sensationalistic. <snip> Most of this crap will get dismissed.


I'd like to agree with you, but haven't seen a lot of common-sense in the way patent law is operated in the USA.
These patents seem on the face of it to have at least as much validity as the ones Apple has been wielding in their lawsuits.
For Apple to put out a ROM that doesn't infringe may be challenging. At first glance it looks as if at least Siri and Facetime would bite the dust, and that's before looking too deep


RE: GO Google
By deathwombat on 8/22/2012 11:20:51 AM , Rating: 3
Two companies, both alike in dignity,
In fair Cupertino, where we lay our scene,
From patent grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil litigation makes civil hands unclean.
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-cross'd tablets take their life;
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Do with their death bury their parent companies' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-mark'd lawsuits,
And the continuance of the patent holders' rage,
Which, but their products banned, nought could remove,
Is now the two years' traffic of our courts;
The which if you with patient ears attend,
What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.


RE: GO Google
By crazy1 on 8/22/2012 8:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm just so glad companies aren't allowed to have armies or militias. Could you imagine what would've happened if Google and Apple where mob families instead of tech companies?


I'm not sure I could imagine Google as a Mob family. They generally practice good business ethics. Their products may not always receive a lot of popularity, but their business ethics are top notch. They even pay more taxes than most billion dollar companies. Doesn't sound very Mafia like.

Apple on the other hand has some of the worst ethics of any other large American tech company. Between the Foxconn suicides, price setting on songs and books, "Buying Out" some of the latest and greatest components just so no other companies can use them, and starting a patent war even though Apple was founded on stolen technology. Apple could definitely be a mafia.

IBM must be looking at this patent war like a disappointed parent.


RE: GO Google
By sorry dog on 8/23/2012 12:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
IBM must be looking at this patent war like a disappointed parent.


More like envy...

...from what my elders have told me, IBM was tech Cartel in the 60's and 70's, and often played unfairly with customers and competitors.

...but like most companies that hold on to their monopoly conceptions too long in face of innovation, they were destined to fall.

Apple's recent behavior reeks of fear to be destined to the same fate.


RE: GO Google
By Tony Swash on 8/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: GO Google
By karlostomy on 8/22/2012 7:46:35 AM , Rating: 5
^^^
sad troll.


RE: GO Google
By SlyNine on 8/25/2012 12:09:24 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know who your talking about? -1 who is that? I can't see any of his text ever, why is that? Weird

People, just stop arguing with trolls. They feed on that even tho they know they are wrong.


RE: GO Google
By mocyd on 8/22/2012 1:52:21 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
This suite will probably fail as Googrola are using weaker patents


Based on what? Your own supposition/bias? On initial overview these patents look to be at least as strong as the patents Apple sued over. It's entirely possible (and probable, based on initial overview) that Google lawyers found patents that in Motorola's portfolio that Motorola overlooked. These methods look exactly like functionality that the iPhone has, especially 5,922,047.

quote:
Meanwhile Apple have already won.


Yeah, Apple has had success on the tablet side. Kudos to them.

On the cell phone side, Samsung is trouncing them. Samsung won without the courtroom with innovative product design and good market penetration.

But your point is still not relevant to the patents that are being brought up here. You're talking about Apple's case against Samsung rather than the validity Google's newly acquired IP in the case against Apple.

quote:
it is now clear that the iPad..... have driven Microsoft into the insanity of attacking their own user base


Wow, even less relevant to the topic at hand- we're talking about Microsoft, a company not even involved in the suits/patents mentioned here.

Weren't you talking about grasping straws earlier?


RE: GO Google
By Adam M on 8/21/2012 6:35:57 PM , Rating: 5
I would normally say something to the effect of "nobody wins when patent trolls go to war", but in this case I am very much behind Google. Why not fight fire with fire? SteveO wanted nuclear war; lets see how his ghost reacts to an all out Apple ban?
Do I think a ban will happen? No, but what is good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.


RE: GO Google
By Tony Swash on 8/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: GO Google
By elleehswon on 8/22/2012 8:52:30 AM , Rating: 3
because we all know that wikipedia is the canonical source for accurate information...................sigh.


RE: GO Google
By theslug on 8/22/2012 12:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
You're joking right? Everything in that article (and elsewhere on wikipedia) is shown with a small number that links to an external site where the info is pulled from. Is there something in particular on that page you believe is false? If so, I invite you to look at the corresponding link so you can verify whether or not the info is correct, before incorrectly and ignorantly assuming that it's wrong, for no reason other than because it's wikipedia.


RE: GO Google
By Tony Swash on 8/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: GO Google
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 1:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Why Tony? Why must you distort facts like this?

It's a well known fact that Apple was preparing to sue. They were vocal about it. Motorola, Google, Samsung, everyone was aware of it. This was done in retaliation to Apple's claims and everyone knows it. The actual date it was files only shows who's lawyers got the case filed the fastest.

Whatever though, your reality is fully distorted enough to actually think Apple is right in this and all matters so its pointless to debate anything with you.


RE: GO Google
By momorere on 8/22/2012 1:16:00 PM , Rating: 2
Wikipedia is 1000x more reliable and trusted than 99.9% of the links you provide as "facts" when it comes to anything crApple. No one really cares who "started" it. We only care that crApple goes down for trying to dictate all things electronic.


RE: GO Google
By mocyd on 8/22/2012 1:37:55 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
that Googlerola started the patent war with Apple - can somehow be dismissed.


Oh come now, Tony, Googlerola started the patent war? Motorola started it my friend. Even if you can pretend that Apple wasn't telling the world that it was going to sue every Android maker on the planet prior to Motorola's suit, it's still an utter fabrication to say "Googlerola" started it. Be factual. Motorola started it. Google stepped in to salvage Motorola's IP and put it to good use.


RE: GO Google
By Iaiken on 8/22/2012 4:31:15 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I notice you don't actually challenge any of the material on the Wikipedia page in question merely imply that it is somehow false and therefore the unpalatable truth - that Googlerola started the patent war with Apple - can somehow be dismissed.


Except you conveniently forget to look into why Motorola was going to court with Apple and where they filed. By the time Motorola sued Apple, Apple was already suing Nokia, HTC, and had tilted it's hand in hinting that they were preparing to sue Samsung and Motorola via preliminary filings in several international courts (Australia, Germany, Netherlands, etc).

Rather than let Apple drag them to a jurisdiction that is friendly towards patent plaintiffs (California, Texas, or Florida), Motorola decided to drag Apple to a jurisdiction that is just flat out unfriendly towards both parties with regards to patent lawsuits (US District Court in Illinois). The objective became forcing Apple into counter-suing in a jurisdiction where their chances of winning was slim to none.

Motorola had no real intention of winning; victory would ultimately be defined by successfully forcing Apple into an environment where they would almost certainly both lose their respective cases. Anything short of Motorola losing their case and Apple winning their counter-suit constituted a victory for Motorola since they would then be free to operate without Apple breathing down their neck or blocking their products from the market. This happened when Posner threw the case out with prejudice so that neither party could re-file and any appeal would have to be elevated to the supreme court (which has better things to do than negotiate trade agreements).


RE: GO Google
By SlyNine on 8/25/2012 12:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
Who are you replying to? All I see is a name and a -1 next to it?


RE: GO Google
By michael2k on 8/21/2012 8:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't it be funny if this:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25472

resulted in Apple getting around the import ban?

Also, if Foxconn opened up a manufacturing facility in, say, Arkansas, to assemble all these imported components?


RE: GO Google
By sorry dog on 8/23/2012 11:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
If they were to actually do such a thing, then their unrealistic pricing would have more merit, and my opinion of them would rise.

...However the chances of them doing something good for their country and losing out on $10 of profit per phone seems somewhere between slim and none given the current state of the short sighted greed driven decision making that defines corporate America today.


RE: GO Google
By masamasa on 8/21/2012 10:45:03 PM , Rating: 2
Go Google!!! Sick of Apple's IP theft.


RE: GO Google
By Mike Acker on 8/22/2012 7:42:06 AM , Rating: 2
go GOOGLE
get them rotten apples


RE: GO Google
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 3:07:22 PM , Rating: 1
Except that Apple's gripe is 100% more legit.. How many Androids would be about the world if it were this:

http://www.redmondpie.com/the-original-google-phon...


RE: GO Google
By Shadowmaster625 on 8/28/2012 9:53:34 AM , Rating: 2
Instead of worshipping one behemoth bastion of fascism and scorning another, you should place your focus on how these corporations infest and infect all branches of government. Neither judge nor jury is immune. Especially if the jury owns stock in one company in court but not the other.


Perspective
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 3:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.redmondpie.com/the-original-google-phon...

Grow up. They ripped it off. There USED to be a Google Exec on Apple's board. That lasted until, guess when?? Android became a button-less touchscreen iPhone rip off..




RE: Perspective
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 3:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
So copying is bad, when Apple is copied, but it's prefectly OK for Apple to copy from Android and other phone makers?

a Few things Apple copied from Android.

- Notifications
- Over the air updates
- Widgets
- Free turn by turn navigation
- Social network integration
- Multitasking
- Drop Down Notifications
- Opening apps from the lock screen
- Custom Wallpapers

and now with the iPhone 5, Apple is copying the larger screens and 4G that Android phones have had for well over a year.

Hmm... go figure. I guess it IS ok for Apple to play by their own rules.


RE: Perspective
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 3:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
I should add that these are useful highly functional things that Apple copied. Not importatn stuff like the look of an icon and the box, and any rectangular shaped phone or tablet.

Google: Here Apple, you can copy our notifications and widgets and navigation and social network integration and multitasking and copy/paste and opening apps from the lock screen and live wallpapers and plenty other stuff as well. No problem, we are an open platform.

Apple: Waaaaaaaaaah.. YOU COPIED MY ICON AND MY BOX, I AM SUING!!!


RE: Perspective
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 4:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
ROFLMFAO

- Notifications
- Over the air updates
- Widgets
- Free turn by turn navigation
- Social network integration
- Multitasking
- Drop Down Notifications
- Opening apps from the lock screen
- Custom Wallpapers

LMAO.. LMAO ... LMAO

Yeah, these are the breakthrough technologies that made smartphones popular...


RE: Perspective
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 4:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
They are nice features... Apple is suing for a bunch of vague garbage. Icon's that look alike, similar box, rectabgular share with rounded corners, icon stacking. Dont be rediculous.

Apple is suing for vague concepts. Its not like they invented the smartphone. All they were is first to market with a multitouch UI... yes it was great, yes it made smartphones alot funner to use. That was a great thing. Since 2007, they havent added much. Now others have not only caught up, but surpassed Apple in almost every way. Now Apple, if you arent going to innovate anymore that is fine, GTF out of the way and let the competition begin.


RE: Perspective
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 4:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
Clearly you lack any actual knowledge of how patents work. Clearly any "rediculous" knowledge whatsoever... Sorry, I did not realize I was arguing with a child.


RE: Perspective
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 5:00:15 PM , Rating: 2
Dont be such a condescending ass. I dont think there is a single person that knows anything about the patent system that doesn't realize its totally broken. Apple has certainly managed to protect themselves within the broken system, but that isnt what the conversation is about... It's about the fact that Apple blatantly copies other companies tech, then cried foul and sues when their own is copied. Its simply hypocritical and you know it, so lets not act like we are better than others, it just makes you look douchey mmmkay?


RE: Perspective
By elleehswon on 8/23/2012 11:23:23 AM , Rating: 2
features should be a determining factor to what you buy.


Someone go check on Tony
By mocyd on 8/21/2012 6:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
...he may be suffering an aneurysm.




RE: Someone go check on Tony
By Tony Swash on 8/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Someone go check on Tony
By mocyd on 8/21/2012 7:28:33 PM , Rating: 4
Cute :), but you must be having an episode of some kind. Usually your responses to things like this have some kind of meat in them- something to the effect of market cap or developers, etc. But your only response here is vague and lacking any real argumentative substance?

And the proverb/idiom is: "A drowning man *will* clutch at a straw." You really don't have to get everything wrong (or maybe you meant for the smiley to substitute "will"?).


RE: Someone go check on Tony
By frobizzle on 8/22/2012 12:49:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But your only response here is vague and lacking any real argumentative substance?

All of his posts lack real argumentative substance. How was this one any different?


RE: Someone go check on Tony
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 3:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
"All of his posts lack real argumentative substance. How was this one any different?"

That's not entirely true. Often Tony's posts has a great deal of argumentative substance. He spends a great deal of time picking and choosing arguments that favor Apple and leaving out info that favors Apple competition. It's not usually quick one liners. He spends some time on his biased spew.


RE: Someone go check on Tony
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 4:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
Only one argument needs mentioning aka denial... Take away touchscreen button-less phones from Android and there is no Android.. Period...

http://androidcommunity.com/google-vs-oracle-lawsu...


RE: Someone go check on Tony
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/22/2012 4:47:35 PM , Rating: 2
That phone...was a T MOBILE concept/prototype you idiot. And posting it at least 4 times in the same topic, doesn't make it change anything. Again, that was a T MOBILE concept/prototype. Not "Android"...not "Droid".... T MOBILE....

Love how you morons keep trotting out this picture as if it does ANYTHING to prove your lame points. Newsflash, it doesn't...


RE: Someone go check on Tony
By retrospooty on 8/22/2012 5:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
So no-one else is allowed to make a touchscreen phone ever again because Apple invented it? I hope they were aware of that when they copied the whole idea from the Treo.

If you want to say "Apple is being copied", then take it back to the root. Apple "copied" the whole mobile phone idea, as well as putting and OS and apps on a phone from Palm/Handspring. All companies do this. The entire industry builds off ideas of others. It always has, as all industries always have. Its as if to say, Toyota, GM, BMW and Honda shouldnt be allowed to make cars because they all copy Ford. Specifically Apple's suits are as if Ford sued GM because they have cupholders and mudflaps on their pick up trucks. It's petty and irrelevant.


outcome - WP8
By MadMan007 on 8/21/2012 6:48:44 PM , Rating: 3
What an ironic twist it would be if these patent wars created a monopoly position for MS in the US.




RE: outcome - WP8
By dsquare86 on 8/21/2012 7:49:08 PM , Rating: 2
Then the justice department will galavant in to break up that monopoly. Why can't we all just be friends?


RE: outcome - WP8
By Camikazi on 8/21/2012 9:09:07 PM , Rating: 3
The cell phone makers were more or less friends until Apple showed up, all Apple has managed to do it get all the makers united against them :P


Apple and Google ban each other
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 5:18:17 PM , Rating: 4
while sneaky Ballmer penetrates both from behind with big hard WP8

I can dream can't I




By dsquare86 on 8/21/2012 7:55:02 PM , Rating: 3
That is a visual that I really did not need.


Good Luck
By Shadowself on 8/21/2012 6:06:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It demands satisfaction in the form of a resolution within 15 months and a court-order "excluding entry into the United States of wireless communications devices, portable music and data processing devices, computers, and components thereof that infringe."


Good luck with that 15 months. At's in theory possible, but as glacially as the system moves and as many delays that can be put into the system they'll be lucky if they get the first ruling by the full body in 24 months. Then the appeals start -- no matter who wins.




RE: Good Luck
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2012 6:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
The court-order could come pretty quick.

I'm betting the Apple lawyers are working long hours tonight and boy does Apple have it coming.


I think it is time to invest in....
By jmunjr on 8/21/2012 9:53:32 PM , Rating: 2
I think it is time to invest in law firms...




By sorry dog on 8/23/2012 12:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
...except, unless you are a lawyer, you can't...at least not directly.

While I usually disagree with most concepts that tell us what we can't do, I do not wish to imagine the legal horrors created by a large firm with extra deep pockets from external "investors". That would lead to much greater corruption of the legal system than we already have.

The Supreme Court in my state in elected and that alone has led to some of most convoluted, dishonest, and special interest serving decisions I have ever seen.


Typo ?
By Gondor on 8/22/2012 1:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
... must as Android has struggled ...


Is that indeed 'must' ?




RE: Typo ?
By bupkus on 8/22/2012 5:36:00 AM , Rating: 2
Of course it should be "just"; not that hard to figure out.


?
By nikon133 on 8/21/2012 8:34:06 PM , Rating: 3
The only thing I don't understand is - why so many people try to reply to this MacDev guy?

I mean... even Tony can be argued with, though he is heavily biased, but at least tries to put out some arguments.

Mac guy is... well, basically pulling random phrases from some sort of Apple-approved holly book of truths. The only achievement is, he is lowering Apple side standards so low that even Tony starts looking like formidable speaker.




By overlandpark4me on 8/21/2012 9:15:50 PM , Rating: 2
Chickens have come home to roost. I think they are all despicable, but I'm glad to see Apple get it crammed back down their throat. Siri getting nuked would be awesome.I'm so sick of those commercials




This will end badly
By lost953 on 8/21/2012 9:38:14 PM , Rating: 2
Its getting to the point where company A has patented electricity and company B has patented magnetism.
Now there will be no electric devices in the U.S. because they are all mutually banned.




By Fujikoma on 8/22/2012 7:14:25 AM , Rating: 2
"terms of describing there invention"
their




!!!!!!!!
By Beavermatic on 8/22/2012 10:13:32 AM , Rating: 2
I knew I sold my soul to google for a good cause =D




the beginning of the end?
By robperry on 8/22/2012 6:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
its the iPocalypse!




Snapple
By flubaluba on 8/27/2012 2:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully Google will win this, they have learnt how the courts look at patents and the more obscure they are the easier it seems to win damages or the ability to stop the competition from selling there products.Apple deserves this and a few other manufacturers to be suing them at the same time, i would not be surprised if Acer and HTC and a few of the other big Android supporters get Apple into numerous cases at the same time, now that would be fun and i think Apple would be destroyed as it would be impossible to use there top team on so many different cases at once, hope they are all reading this or at least someone who can pass on the idea... :)
Google has been clever they have allowed Samsung to display all of apples tactics in a case and now all Google has to do is use them against them, unless there is a patent to prevent them using the law as Apple has.




Throw Google Managers in prison
By macdevdude on 8/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/21/2012 5:16:15 PM , Rating: 5
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Typical Google. Steals Apple's designs and technology (rectangle smartphones, stolen icons, stolen animations, etc.) then sues Apple. Google's management shoudl be thrown in jail. Each and every one of them.
No.

You are delusional. Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0
quote:
Google's management shoudl be thrown in jail. Each and every one of them.
Cool idea, bro.
quote:
When I read this article I think i bet Mick would love for Google to get to ban all Apple's products.
Actually I don't want anyone's products banned. I just want them all to compete with each other and stop the junk lawsuits/patent trolling.

When I cover this crap, it just makes me depressed, makes me think of Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt":
quote:
What have I become / My sweetest friend
Everyone I know / goes away / In the end
And you could have it all / My empire of dirt
I will let you down / I will make you hurt
These companies are killing each other and themselves out of pure greed.

It's supposed to be all about the users. But because of this stupid mess started by Apple and Nokia, now everyone is getting banned over vague, ambiguous junk patents.

Do I blame Google for fighting back? No, it's doing what it has to, to survive. But it's a part of the problem now. They all are. But Apple and Nokia deserve special credit for starting this mess, particularly Steve Jobs whose anti-Android rant was downright pathological.
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Well, too bad mick. So far only androids have been banned. Samsungs have been banned. HTCs have been banned. These are expert judges, mick, how much legal school do you have? So I think they know a thing or two more than you and they say Android companies stole from Apple.

Maybe you should put that headline and stop writing this pro-Google sh!t.
And you, my friend, are part of the problem. You clearly do not understand my perspective in the slightest. And most definitely you are delusional.


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 5:25:34 PM , Rating: 3
Jason likes my favorite Reznor's song! I'm a happy camper now :)))


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/21/2012 5:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
I already posted that video once to him, he quite obviously doesn't care and thinks he is correct in his thinking...


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By nafhan on 8/21/2012 5:45:29 PM , Rating: 4
It's hilarious that he thinks Google management should get thrown in jail for doing the same thing Apple management has been doing. Also, he bought up how "rectangles are owned by Apple" as an example of what Google's doing wrong! Sofa king funny!

I think basically for macdevdude to agree with you, you'd need to write from the point of view that: Apple does no wrong, and any company that creates good electronics/software is just "stealing" Apple's ideas, which means you'd have to redefine stealing as well since that's not even a concept that maps properly to IP.


By StevoLincolnite on 8/21/2012 11:02:08 PM , Rating: 3
It's funny you know.

All the other companies work together... Intel, Microsoft, AMD, Samsung etc'. They come up with new ideas, new standards and new technology to benefit everyone in the technology space.

Yet Apple goes around and sues the pants of everyone for rectangles, which is holding the entire industry back.

I hope the lawsuits get more intense against Apple, they need a reality check that they didn't invent everything.


By phatboye on 8/21/2012 5:53:04 PM , Rating: 3
Why do you guys keep arguing with MacDevDude, he is obviously a troll. No one in their right mind would ever think like he does.


By amanojaku on 8/21/2012 5:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
Of course he's delusional. He told you to shut up because you aren't an expert judge, then he goes to the Asian skull and Evolution articles and calls the expert scientists frauds.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25374...
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25466...


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2012 6:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
Kudos for the War Games reference :-)


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By Dug on 8/21/2012 7:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
Funny youtube video.

I would like to see a phone that resembles an iphone before the iphone came out.

Anyway, this about patents, not inventions.

And according to the Google patents from Motorolla they could sue everyone that uses a communication device.
So we will see if that is a more viable patent than a design patent.


By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 3:11:53 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.redmondpie.com/the-original-google-phon...

This looks a lot like an iPhone... Wonder where they got the button-less touchscreen idea from??


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By FITCamaro on 8/21/2012 5:27:27 PM , Rating: 3
So let me get this straight. Google stole the concept of the rectangle smartphone from Apple. So you're going to completely ignore the fact that EVERY SINGLE CELLPHONE EVER MADE HAS BEEN IN THE SHAPE OF ROUGHLY A RECTANGLE!!!

But your ignorant self thinks Apple is entitled to a patent on it. And that Google stole that idea from them.

I'm not even going to go into the rest of your ignorant diatribe because that thought alone shows you to be a complete idiot and incapable of rational thought.


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/21/2012 5:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So you're going to completely ignore the fact that EVERY SINGLE CELLPHONE EVER MADE HAS BEEN IN THE SHAPE OF ROUGHLY A RECTANGLE!!!
Of course he is... he obviously has some serious brain damage...


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By bug77 on 8/21/2012 5:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
It was a different rectangle before Apple. An unpatented one.
Sure you can see with all the hard work from Apple, the rectangle is entirely different now ;-)

And isn't that what Apple is all about? "Banish that thought (any thought), we'll do the thinking for you!"


By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 3:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.redmondpie.com/the-original-google-phon...

Hah, except not all rectangles are created equally... If Google tried to sell this against the iPhone... How many people would be blowing their random droid COPY of the iPhone?? .. Oh right, sorry, that doesn't look anything like an iPhone.


By distinctively on 8/21/2012 6:03:52 PM , Rating: 1
Macdevdude, that's the best you've got? Did you even read what you typed? Stolen rectangle? Stolen icons? Stolen animations? You consider these inventions, patentable inventions? Credibility is something that you do not possess. If you ever did, your last post just killed the remainder.

I doubt I'll ever waste any more time replying to a poster that demonstrates such an abysmal I.Q. Now go back to your Mickey Mouse phone while the rest of us use phones designed for real men.


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By retrospooty on 8/21/2012 6:08:37 PM , Rating: 1
I wonder what its like in your world.


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 6:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
Rainbows and unicorns obviously


By elleehswon on 8/22/2012 11:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
Whimsyshire is real?!?!?!?!!?!?!!


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By luseferous on 8/22/2012 11:19:20 AM , Rating: 1

quote:
Typical Google. Steals Apple's designs and technology (rectangle smartphones, stolen icons, stolen animations, etc.) then sues Apple. Google's management shoudl be thrown in jail. Each and every one of them


You forgot the irony tags which is really bad as someone might get the idea that you are stupid enough to actually believe that garbage.

Breaking news everybody! Apple innovated the rectangle. Oh and they should sue Disney for copying another of their innovations: animation.


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/22/2012 2:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
There is no getting, he is actually stupid enough to believe the garbage he spews.... even when shown he is wrong, he still flat out believes everything he says...


RE: Throw Google Managers in prison
By BSMonitor on 8/22/2012 3:17:13 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.redmondpie.com/the-original-google-phon...

And you still believe that Apple has no complaint..... This is the DROID before the iPhone.

Grow up


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/22/2012 4:39:29 PM , Rating: 2
I do believe they have no room to complain, you're right. And that phone, big fucking deal? Get a life would ya, get the Apple Dildo out of your ass.


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