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The "all seeing" Google picks up another set of eyes

Google acquired Nest Labs back in January in an all-cash deal valued at $3.2 billion. Now, thanks to the deep pockets of its parent company, Nest Labs has acquired Dropcam for a reported $555 million.
 
News of the deal first surfaced nearly a month ago following reports that Google was looking to expands its advertising reach to various consumer markets including “refrigerators, car dashboards, thermostats, glasses, and watches.”

 
Nest Labs co-founder Matt Rogers said in a blog post that it was a big decision to nab Dropcam, but that it “wasn’t a difficult one to make.” Feeling that Nest Labs and Dropcam are kindred spirits, Rogers lavished praise on the company, stating:
 
Dropcam built their company from the ground up with the goal of helping people stay connected to the things they care about. In a matter of a few short years, their team has managed to create products that change how people interact with their homes. So naturally, we couldn’t help but feel our companies would be a good match.
 
Dropcam’s current “connected home” product lineup includes the $149 Dropcam and the $199 Dropcam Pro. It is also on the verge of releasing wireless motion sensors called Dropcam Tabs.
 
For those wondering around Google snooping around in their affairs, Rogers promises that data won’t be shared “without a customer’s permission.”

Sources: Nest Labs, Re/code



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Phew, can still send mine back
By saarek on 6/23/2014 8:22:47 AM , Rating: 1
Luckily for me I am still within the 30 days return window for Amazon, I've just filled in the return form on all 3 cameras I bought.

I don't trust Google with my data.




RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Flunk on 6/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By imaheadcase on 6/23/2014 10:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
The cameras are good, the subscription service they off kind of ruins it though. If google started offering that for free, I can see them using the images with some EULA change.

The whole "we don't use it unless you give us permission" ploy is really messed up. It should be be a question at all, simply don't do it.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Spuke on 6/23/2014 11:22:19 AM , Rating: 2
I might buy a camera or two and get some of those sensors while I'm at it.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2014 11:45:04 AM , Rating: 1
Looks like Google is taking home automation really seriously now. With this purchase along with the others, they are strategically positioned to enter the market with strong products and services.

Not sure what the fearmongering from the OP is about...but I for one feel pretty confident that Google doesn't suddenly want to "spy" on all of us with cameras.

I can't wait to see what's coming for home automation from Google. I've been waiting years for a solid solution from a competent tech company to put in my house, WITH flawless smartphone compatibility.


By Cheesew1z69 on 6/23/2014 11:50:27 AM , Rating: 1
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Not sure what the fearmongering from the OP is about
Cause...Google!


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By AntiM on 6/23/2014 12:17:50 PM , Rating: 2
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Not sure what the fearmongering from the OP is about...but I for one feel pretty confident that Google doesn't suddenly want to "spy" on all of us with cameras.


I'm not so sure. We all complain about the NSA and how much data they collect on innocent people. Most people don't realize that private data collection agencies have more information about you than the NSA could ever hope to acquire. That's why I never use those grocery store discount cards, they know exactly what you bought, when you bought it and where you bought it. Harmless? I don't know.

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Rogers promises that data won’t be shared “without a customer’s permission.” -


Notice he said "shared", but that leaves the door open for them to monitor, collect and store data concerning your habits; they just won't "share" it. Will they "sell" it?


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2014 1:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
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Most people don't realize that private data collection agencies have more information about you than the NSA could ever hope to acquire.


No offense but not only is this extremely hard to believe, it's completely wrong.

The NSA has the ability to record your every phone call and monitor ALL your electronic activities.

If you think any private agency knows more about you than our Government, think again.

Now here comes Obamacare, where your ENTIRE life (medical data, history, drug use, everything) is mandated by law to be stored on 'the cloud'. Scared yet?

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That's why I never use those grocery store discount cards, they know exactly what you bought, when you bought it and where you bought it.


No offense but that seems...paranoid. Just a bit. What possible nefarious agenda would they pursue with that information?


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By AntiM on 6/23/2014 5:14:06 PM , Rating: 2
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If you think any private agency knows more about you than our Government, think again. -


I will have to strongly disagree with you on that point. All the NSA cares about is whether or not you're a terrorist or a criminal.

There are private, unregulated companies that collect, aggregate, sell all the information they can gather about you. Look up Acxiom, or do a search for "private data mining companies". You might be surprised.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2014 10:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
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All the NSA cares about is whether or not you're a terrorist or a criminal.


WOW!!! Right. That's totally not naive at all...

Let me guess: If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, right?


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By ammaross on 6/23/2014 2:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Not sure what the fearmongering from the OP is about...but I for one feel pretty confident that Google doesn't suddenly want to "spy" on all of us with cameras."

If you have outbound filtering on your firewall, it's a non-issue. Oh, you don't have an outbound-filtering firewall? Well, hope you don't do anything compromising in front of the cameras then....


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By atechfan on 6/23/2014 8:10:10 PM , Rating: 2
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Not sure what the fearmongering from the OP is about...but I for one feel pretty confident that Google doesn't suddenly want to "spy" on all of us with cameras.


It's no worse than all the fearmongering that was done over the Kinect camera.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2014 9:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
You had no option to opt out of the Kinect originally.

If you don't want this camera, don't buy it. How is that the same as MS trying to force a "spy" cam onto people just wanting to play games?


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By themaster08 on 6/24/2014 2:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
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How is that the same as MS trying to force a "spy" cam onto people just wanting to play games?
When Google acquires Dropcam, you're "confident" Google doesn't want to spy on us, yet when Microsoft wanted to implement Kinect so that there is a similar experience for all users, it's a "spy" cam.

Why such double standards all the time, Reclaimer? Where is your evidence? You have none, as usual. Just the usual regurgitated rhetoric.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By atechfan on 6/24/2014 5:07:47 AM , Rating: 2
Google good, Apple bad, MS bad. There, I have replicated Reclaimer's entire thought process.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 12:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
Uhh did you notice I put "spy" in quotes?? I was never one of the people who thought MS wanted to spy on you. aTechShill just threw that in for...whatever reason. I don't even know.

Jesus what's happened on this site lately? Reading comprehension, even simple English, has gone into the toilet! How can you not understand what quotations mean!? Wtf...

The fact that MS not only reversed their position on Kinect, but every other thing they wanted from the Xbone, should tell you all you need to know about how the consumer felt on that issue. If you want to make me the bad guy, okay whatever. But good luck trying to convince people a mandatory always on camera and microphone console add-on is something they really want.

The double standard is here on DT for sure, but it's not coming from me. People like to pretend there's some huge difference in privacy between Google and Microsoft, but the truth is, they're pretty much the same. Microsoft runs an targeted add services just like Google. They sell user data to the Government they've collected from Bing, Facebook, and other services. They're in deep with the CIA and NSA, the list goes on.

Not sure where you're seeing the double standard in my posts.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By themaster08 on 6/24/2014 2:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
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Uhh did you notice I put "spy" in quotes?? I was never one of the people who thought MS wanted to spy on you. aTechShill just threw that in for...whatever reason. I don't even know.
What an absolute load of crap. I suggest you look back and look at exactly wtat you wrote:

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How is that the same as MS trying to force a "spy" cam onto people just wanting to play games?
Putting "spy" in quotation marks could mean anything or nothing. To anyone simply reading this article, the context of your comment would suggest that you believe the Kinect is a "spy" cam and portrays the Kinect in a negative light.

There's no reading comprehension issue here. The reason you're backtracking is because you've been called out and shown that you have absolutely no evidence to back up your ridiculous comparison.

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The fact that MS not only reversed their position on Kinect, but every other thing they wanted from the Xbone, should tell you all you need to know about how the consumer felt on that issue.
Yes, people who lack the understanding to realise Microsoft's aims with Xbox One. Instead, they blindly attack something they have little-to-no understanding of, and because of the recent NSA scandal, this was only exacerbated further by the ridiculous claims that Kinect would be used by the NSA.

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The double standard is here on DT for sure, but it's not coming from me.
The problem stems further than this individual discussion. Your entire attitude towards differing opinions, your outlandish claims and lack of evidence, your aggressive nature, your hatred for anything that isn't Google or Samsung, and your absolute bias towards these companies only goes against you. Your comments lack credibility and often turn into mudslinging matches. It's never you, is it? The only problem is that it is, hence why many of your comments are relegated to -1. It's not that people disagree with you a lot of the time, it's that you express yourself in such a hostile manner.

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People like to pretend there's some huge difference in privacy between Google and Microsoft, but the truth is, they're pretty much the same. Microsoft runs an targeted add services just like Google.
Yes, and I suggest you read Microsoft's recent changes in their terms and conditions which state that your emails and private data will not be used to target ads. Furthermore, targets ads are not the be-all-and-end-all of Microsoft's earnings, far from it, which is much more than can be said for Google, who have an absolute vested interest in targeted ads.

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They sell user data to the Government they've collected from Bing, Facebook, and other services.
Proof?

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They're in deep with the CIA and NSA, the list goes on.
Proof?

Again with the outlandish claims and lack of evidence. Just things you've heard from friends or forums who have similar opinions to yourself, right?


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 3:17:20 PM , Rating: 2
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http://gizmodo.com/how-much-microsoft-charges-the-...


Proof enough??? These are just a few, there's plenty more easily found if you care. Fact is Microsoft sells it's users data to the US Government, and they run a targeted ad agency.

I don't care how much you pretend otherwise, the fact is neither of these companies are more "evil" than the other when it comes to user data.

You accuse me of applying a double standard, when I'm the one arguing the sameness of these companies! Hello?? YOU have the double standard.

Also your insistence I provide "proof" for things that should be common knowledge at this point make you look ignorant.

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this was only exacerbated further by the ridiculous claims that Kinect would be used by the NSA.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/micro...

Microsoft worked with the NSA to collect Skype data and allowed the Government access to raw phone and video-call data. Are you sure it's "rediculous" to think they would do so with Kinect?? Seems logical to me.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By themaster08 on 6/24/2014 4:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
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I don't care how much you pretend otherwise, the fact is neither of these companies are more "evil" than the other when it comes to user data.
Whilst that might have been true up to a point, things are changing:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/...

Microsoft posted about this on their Official blog late last year. They expanded encryption to all of their services, they are enforcing legal protections, and enhancing their transparency through changes in their terms of service. They have stayed true to their word so far.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/microsofts-...

Microsoft have fought against the US government's demands to turn over data stored outside of the US.

http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-one-privacy-conc...

Privacy concerns related to Kinect debunked by Microsoft's transparency.

quote:
You accuse me of applying a double standard, when I'm the one arguing the sameness of these companies! Hello?? YOU have the double standard.
No, I have no double standard, and take your points into consideration. I don't disagree that Microsoft has previously used its data to aid federal agencies. The problem is, as stated in my previous post, that your bias towards Google and your hostility towards anything that opposes your opinion leaves only contention.

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Also your insistence I provide "proof" for things that should be common knowledge at this point make you look ignorant.
No, what it does is calls you out on your claims. You're so hate filled and biased, your opinions lack credibility, hence my reasoning for getting proof from you.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 4:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft only changed those terms because they got BUSTED. Snowden showed them to be NSA collaborators who were selling out their users and the whole country.

Just like they only changed all the Xbone stuff because of the backlash. They didn't just suddenly decide to NOT be anti-consumer.

This is a company more interested in looking good than doing the right thing. Which is fine, companies should make a profit I'm all for that.

What is NOT cool is launching "Scroogled" campaigns and silly T-shirts against Google while selling Skype data to the NSA, selling data to the FBI, and also running the SAME targeted ad agency model Google does.

That's called hypocrisy.

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No, what it does is calls you out on your claims. You're so hate filled and biased, your opinions lack credibility, hence my reasoning for getting proof from you.


How is stating facts "hate filled bias"? Even after giving you my proof, you still plow ahead against me. Just...wow.

You know, this ALWAYS happens. Some hard-headed troll goes off and demands proof, you give him proof, and he dismisses it altogether. Thanks!

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Microsoft posted about this on their Official blog late last year. They expanded encryption to all of their services, they are enforcing legal protections, and enhancing their transparency through changes in their terms of service. They have stayed true to their word so far.


You still don't get it, do you? This is a worthless gesture, PR fluff meant to distance themselves from controversy. Everything Microsoft did WAS legal. They were complying with law enforcement and the Government. This changes NOTHING! They'll still do it again, and again, and again.

And added encryption means nothing because they already worked with the NSA in the past to break the encryption on their own services (Outlook).

Basically if you've used Skydrive, Skype, Outlook and others, the Government has potentially been viewing your data and storing it. "Scroogled" indeed!!

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The problem is, as stated in my previous post, that your bias towards Google


Because I don't agree Google is the evil-incarnate, because I use and enjoy their services and products, I'm a pro-biased fanboi?

You know what, I'll take that. If it's between being a fanboi and acting like an entitled ignorant troll, I'll take the former.


RE: Phew, can still send mine back
By ritualm on 6/24/2014 3:03:16 PM , Rating: 2
Your posts ooze more double standards than the chronic ezcema afflicting my right arm oozes sticky residue.
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Reading comprehension, even simple English, has gone into the toilet!

More like your intelligence, relative to everyone else, has gone down the toilet. Oftentimes we struggle to understand the oft-regurgitated diatribe that flows freely from your frothing mouthpieces. But the best part: when it looks like you're about to lose, you quickly move goalposts and decry how everyone else is being unfair by applying double standards against you.
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But good luck trying to convince people a mandatory always on camera and microphone console add-on is something they really want.

According to you, an always-on microphone on a smartphone is awesome, but an always-on microphone (ignore the camera at this point) on a console accessory is a gift from hell.

Hello double standards.
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The double standard is here on DT for sure, but it's not coming from me.

Troll calling others out for trolling. Just like the dealership associations claiming they're not trying to rob consumers blind.
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Microsoft runs an targeted add services just like Google. They sell user data to the Government they've collected from Bing, Facebook, and other services. They're in deep with the CIA and NSA, the list goes on.

Not sure where you're seeing the double standard in my posts.

You love Google and hate just about everyone else that isn't Google. You claim "what's the big deal? it isn't! wtf..." - except it is.

For crying out loud, I'm upvoting the (in)famous pro-Apple trolls more often than you these days, even on decidedly anti-Apple articles like this one where technically your kin has the upper hand.

For a long time I thought tonyswash is too dense. Today I found his maker - in you.


happy with google
By sixteenornumber on 6/23/2014 10:24:34 AM , Rating: 2
Other than some of the funky stuff they did with their email, I can't recall anything Google has done to upset me as a customer.




RE: happy with google
By techxx on 6/23/2014 11:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. If Google could replace the White House and run the country, I would support our new lords. Haha! People get upset that Google makes money off their personal information, but look at the services you receive for free in return. Funny how some people feel entitled to getting something for nothing.


RE: happy with google
By hughlle on 6/23/2014 11:44:34 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. If i get to use maps, youtube, gmail, and everything else, for no cost, they can use my information to target ads at me as much as they like. It's never caused me an issue. Conversely, the moment i got a new contract for my phone, a paid service, my number was seemingly given to an advertising company who then used my number as a disguise to make phone calls to little old ladies all over the country who would then phone me asking why i phoned them. Nope, google is alright in my book :)


RE: happy with google
By TheSlamma on 6/24/2014 8:26:29 AM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, to be young and naive :)

Millennials are going to make the best corporate slaves to ever grace this country. When a company like Google continues to do business practices far worse that what Microsoft got taken to court for in the 90's you cheer them on, Bravo morons.

Did you guys all vote for Obama cause he was black and you wanted to be cool? cause you guys all vote republican with your wallets that's for sure.


It happens!
By Yorgos on 6/23/2014 8:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
They already bought one of my kidneys and part of my liver.
I suggest to kill it before it buys us too.




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