quote: And, in any given lifetime, there’s no way to make a payback pencil out. Based on EPA combined-mileage ratings, $4 per gallon for gas, and $0.112 per kWh for electricity, the savings attributable to driving the Volt 100,000 miles solely on electricity over the gas-powered Cruze is only $8089.
quote: Plugging in to recharge can be a hassle because this cart is ahead of the infrastructural horse. During an overnight stay on the shores of Lake Superior, we begged to buy 120-volt electricity at four locations before finding an outlet suitable for recharging the Volt.
quote: the Volt finished second to the Cruze in handling and low-speed acceleration tests
quote: Thanks to a center of gravity 1.5 inches lower than that of the Cruze (credit the low-slung battery pack), the Volt rounds bends on a more even keel
quote: The Volt stopped seven feet shorter from 70 mph than the Cruze, and while its brake pedal—commanding both friction and regenerative speed reduction—provided little feedback, at least it didn’t feel like stepping on a ripe tomato the way the Cruze’s did.
quote: Second-row passengers have three things to gripe about: no HVAC vents (the same applies to the Cruze), the near impossibility of transferring from side to side, and the hatch glass (masked with a sun screen) over their heads.
quote: Ultimately, it wasn’t gas mileage that convinced us that the Cruze Eco is top dog here. When vital cockpit furnishings such as the clutch pedal and the hand-operated parking brake go missing—as they do in the Volt—we suffer sensory-deprivation anxiety.
quote: They have an axe to grind in that article
quote: I call BS on that. Prove it. Funny how you reject offhand any link or source that doesn't paint the Volt in a favorable light. Why are you such an unabashed advocate for this vehicle?
quote: For instance, the #1 reason to place the ECO first? The Manual.
quote: 2.) Errr... one sentence ago you were talking about having only 2 seats. Last I checked, people don't switch side to side once there are 4 in car...
quote: 3.) Errr... people buy special sunroofs for rear seat passengers all the time. Not sure this is a "negative"
quote: You got problems when you have me and the conservatives arguing against you
quote: they simply haven't got the same rep for quality and engineering that the japanese have
quote: The terrible economy can't help either. There are many other places where an available $30k could go.
quote: Deliveries of the Opel Ampera to dealerships began in Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland in December 2011.
quote: First, that GM's PR machine is atrocious and they have no idea how to sell this car
quote: there are still many markets that have zero access to Volts at dealerships.
quote: How can a car be sold if it's not exposed to consumers?
quote: The Plug-in Prius is a good example... It can't even complete the EPA testing cycles on electric power.
quote: The Toyota Prius is a hybrid car that makes no pretense at being a full electric. Why should it complete its test cycle on only electric power?
quote: The gasoline generator can't be any smaller and maintain 60 mph in gas mode...nor will a smaller gas engine generate enough power to drive it electrically at 60 mph for very long...about near to what the VOLT suffers now...it is simply a dead end idea.
quote: I've also wondered... if you NEVER plug a Volt in, what kind of gas mileage does it get?
quote: About the same as a standard compact car like a Focus or Elantra, with slightly better city mileage and slightly worse highway mileage.
quote: According to C&D tests, the Cruze Eco beats the Volt on highway mileage.
quote: I wonder how many of the folks contributing here have actually driven a Volt? I had an opportunity to drive one this past fall and was extremely impressed. The vehicle itself is well put together with good quality control and it comes with a lot of the bells and whistles you would expect on a luxury car. I found the only noise I heard in city driving was the tire noise and on the highway the only noise was the wind noise. I found it very responsive around town and when I pulled onto the freeway I was doing 80 MPH before I realized it.
quote: 3. safety. If I get into a car accident, and my child is trapped in the back seat while the battery shorts and catches fire, who is going help? Current policies of rescue squads is to contain the fire only.
quote: Americans just are lining up to purchase GM's vision for electric vehicles
quote: It's 40k, doesn't actually fit the mold of "All Electric," and catches on fire.
quote: It is all electric until the battery gets low, then it'll continue using the tried true combustion engine. I don't understand why people have such a big issue with this to even bring it up as a point.
quote: You'll see how unlikely it is for a Volt to actually catch on fire in everyday use.
quote: Gasoline is explosive. It's just very unlikely that it will explode sitting in your gas tank. However, it can happen regardless to whether or not the car was ever involved in a collision.
quote: How is that conservative "austerity" policy working out for European economies and car companies lately?
quote: Whenever a bit of European social democracy runs into trouble–healthcare system inadvertently lethal, schools dilapidated, welfare bankrupt, whatever–it’s only a matter of time before some academic pops up and suggests ‘The Scandinavian Model’ instead.
quote: An important factor in retarding the EU economies is the expensive social welfare entitlements enjoyed by Europeans. While the U.S. federal and state governments spend roughly 18 percent of GDP on pensions, welfare, and health care costs, the European Union spends nearly 29 percent. The list of entitlements seems endless: unemployment benefits, welfare payments, pensions, paid maternity leaves, child-care subsidies, free university education, expansive sick leave, restricted working hours, generous paid vacation and holiday leave, and government-provided health care.
quote: The government was granted the power to pick winners and losers with money coming in the form of "Stimulus." (a slight hint of socialism). Obama gave a pretty good chunk to GM (using taxpayer money that over 60% of voters were against) and touted the Volt (to energize the green movement) as the flagship of the future. It's 40k, doesn't actually fit the mold of "All Electric," and catches on fire. Now, its production is suspended. And yet somehow, you still a positive in all of this? Whatever you gotta do to validate your vote, I suppose!!
quote: On the Rush comment... a little off topic but I'll be happy to indulge you again to supplement all that ignorance. The debate, or slutgate, is not about Birth Control being covered by insurance. Its about Birth Control being "mandated" by affiliations that don't support its use. But like most mindless liberals, you simply correlate.. "if it ain’t free, then its violating someone's rights" BS and can't make a reasonable argument for or against it. Rush doesn't hate women, or birth control, or "You," per se; he just thinks the system is over-reaching, yet again. But why read the actual transcript and actually build your own opinion? Oh right... cause liberals use comedy shows to get their news.
quote: I guess that's why Rush felt compelled to repeatedly call the young woman a "slut" for her testimony before congress. Because he doesn't hate her.
quote: Classy eh? And no one in these areas set themselves up to be the target for liberal talk show material like Fluke did.
quote: Hey how about that Chevy Volt? You know the subject of the article?
quote: Yes, I think you show all the signs of being about as classless, angry and hateful...
quote: Do you have any more irrelevant personal comments to direct at me given your inability to focus on the subject at hand?
quote: If I mention any economic or political commentator topics they are at least tangentially related to the subject.
quote: This is off topic, but I've got to say something in response. What Rush said was not right and he should not have sunk to the name-calling of the left that we see on a regular basis.
quote: Motor Trend Editor On Limbaugh’s Chevy Volt Attacks: ‘Just Remember: Driving And Oxycontin Don’t Mix’ Last week, the influential auto magazine Motor Trend announced that it had named the breakthrough plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt as its 2011 car of the year. Conservatives immediately picked up on the story and attacked Motor Trend. The magazine “awarded the Obama-approved, government-subsidized Chevrolet Volt its annual ‘Car of the Year’ appellation,” the Weekly Standard whined. Referring the federal government’s auto bailout — which turned out to be hugely beneficial for GM and the ailing industry — conservative Washington Post columnist George Will complained about the government “spending some of your money” to produce the Volt. But right-wing radio blow-hard Rush Limbaugh was perhaps the most vocal critic. The Volt has been a Limbaugh nemesis for quite some time. He even launched a campaign last August to undermine the innovative car. And this week, Limbaugh said of the Motor Trend award, “[O]f all the cars in the world, the Chevrolet Volt is the Car of the Year? Motor Trend magazine, that’s the end of them. How in the world do they have any credibility? Not one has been sold [and] the Volt is the Car of the Year.” Last week, one of the magazine’s editors, Todd Lassa, shot back at Limbaugh, noting that GM hasn’t sold any Volts “because it’s not on sale yet“: So, Mr. Limbaugh; you didn’t enjoy your drive of our 2011 Car of the Year, the Chevrolet Volt? Assuming you’ve been anywhere near the biggest automotive technological breakthrough since … I don’t know, maybe the self-starter, could you even find your way to the front seat? Or are you happy attacking a car that you’ve never even seen in person? [...] All the shouting from you or from electric car purists on the left can’t distort the fact that the Chevy Volt is, indeed, a technological breakthrough. And it’s more. It’s a technological breakthrough that many American families can use for gas-free daily commutes and well-planned vacation drives. It’s expensive for a Chevy, but many of those families will find the gasoline saved worth it. If you can stop shilling for your favorite political party long enough to go for a drive, you might really enjoy the Chevy Volt. I’m sure GM would be happy to lend you one for the weekend. Just remember: driving and Oxycontin don’t mix. Lassa also noted that the Volt isn’t some left-wing “tree hugging, Obama-supporting Government Motors” conspiracy, but was in fact conceived of well before Democrats regained control of Congress in 2006 and well before Obama began his campaign for the presidency. Lassa even points out that former GM executive “Bob Lutz, who famously decreed, ‘Global Warming is a crock of shit’ introduced the car two years before Bush gave GM its first bailout from TARP pocket change.” “Limbaugh’s beef with the Volt isn’t a question of automotive aesthetics or engineering,” MLive.com’s Jeff Wattrick notes. “He just doesn’t like the Volt because it’s one of them librul eel-eck-trick cars that Muslim-Socialist Obama forced on the real ‘Mericans in Detroit.” http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/11/23/13179...
quote: He should be fined about three billion dollars for abusing the public airwaves.
quote: What "name calling of the left" are you talking about?
quote: Same with radical left wing liberal comedian pundit Bill Maher said the GOP is a "deadly enemy." Nancy Pelosi, House minority member and former Speaker of the House, equated the Tea Party members as Nazis with "brown shirt" and "goose stepping" comments. Double standard on hate speech there much, libs?
quote: The push to let GM fail and place hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work at the time of the worst recession since the Great Depression is a great example of that. That would have probably set off a chain reaction to create a worse depression that the Great one.
quote: As far as the Volt goes, the real deal is in leasing one. The cost is only $350 a month for 3 years with $2500 down which is a pretty good deal for a car that you will only have to buy gasoline for unless you choose to do so.
quote: Because it's idiotic to get an electric car, or any hybrid besides a Prius today. It's apples to oranges as the BMW is the far better car, yet the car payments are less. True it'll cost more in gas but you're driving the best sports sedan out there and not some chevy.
quote: Another chance for the conservative "I hate Obama/GM/The Volt/Electric Cars/Socialism" gang to bash the Volt and electric cars in general.
quote: Ford Fiesta is one I always like to mention; efficient, and produced by a company that didn't take one cent in bailout money in recent years and has paid all its liabilities in full
quote: One would argue, perhaps even him, that why waste money we truly dont have on tax credits until those advancements are here?
quote: Should you choose to help your country get free of being dependent on oil by buying a high MPG electric car you will get a tax credit for your patriotism and efforts in this area. Fair enough?
quote: Should you choose to help your country get free of being dependent on oil by buying a high MPG electric car you will get a tax credit for your patriotism and efforts in this area. Fair enough?That's a terrifyingly socialist viewpoint on the role of Government in the free market... "Rewarding patriotism" through selective tax credits. Interesting statement. Not exactly what I would call it though.
quote: We can fight against the oil companies by drilling, or more preferably GROWING, our own oil and pouring the money on battery research instead of giving people who can afford $40K cars tax breaks that they could live without.
quote: I imagine that just about everything under the sun is "terrifyingly socialistic" to you
quote: "The Mackinac Center says analyst James Hohman arrived at that figure after looking at "18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits" that "flow through multiple companies involved in production."• A $105.9 million Energy Department grant to General Motors for its Brownstown, Mich., plant that assembles batteries for the Volt.• State credits worth $106 million to keep the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant, where the car is made, rolling.• $100 million in tax breaks and cash subsidies for Compact Power, which supplies the Volt batteries.All that for a car the public doesn't want but is being pushed into because lawmakers and bureaucrats think they know what's best for everyone else. Clearly these officials believe they're justified in spending other people's money to force their green-economy agenda."
quote: It is very patriotic to fight in the battle against our slavery to national-less big oil companies whether you like it or not.