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They could both hit the $30,000 price range

General Motors Company (GM) has some new vehicle models up its sleeve, and they could be an updated Chevrolet Volt as well as an all-new EV. 
 
According to Automobile Magazine, a recent Business Week article suggested that GM is preparing the next Chevrolet Volt and a brand-new EV for a 2016 launch -- and it looks like added range is the main idea as the 2017-2025 CAFE standards will soon take effect at that time. 
 
Jake Holmes over at Automobile Magazine reports that the first 2016 model is expected to be the updated Chevrolet Volt, and he suspects 20 percent greater all-electric range of 50 to 60 miles thanks to higher-capacity batteries. He also sees a new 1.0-liter turbocharged three-cylinder engine in the Volt's future, replacing the current 1.4-liter range-extending gas engine. 
 
Aside from internals, the Volt could get a minor facelift as well with some sheetmetal changes. 
 
It looks like the new Volt could be priced around the $30,000 mark, which is a nice cut from the current cost of the 2014 Volt at $34,995. This is a good start at making the plug-in more accessible to those who don't want to pay a ton of money for a new car, but it could still prove to be too high.
 
A recent study from Colorado-based consulting firm Navigant Research showed that 71 percent of consumers surveyed wouldn’t buy EVs priced over $25,000. It also showed that 43 percent wouldn't spend over $20,000 for a new EV or plug-in hybrid. 


Moving on to the new EV, Business Week described an affordable electric vehicle for 2016 priced at $30,000 as well. To top it off, it's expected to have a 200-mile all-electric range, putting it on par with Tesla's Model S.
 
This isn't entirely new to us, since reports started floating around earlier this year that GM was looking to go head-to-head with Tesla with a $30,000, 200-mile all-electric range EV. But what's new is that the vehicle could have a 2016 launch date as either a 2016 or 2017 model, and it could be available in all 50 states (as opposed to the Chevrolet Spark EV, which is only available in California and Oregon). 
 
Tesla said it's working on an affordable EV of its own. In May, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that his company's Model S is a great EV, but it's a luxury car that is out of the price range of many consumers. Musk said the ideal affordable Tesla EV would be available in about three to four years, and would be sold for under $40,000. It would also have a range of about 200 miles per charge. 
 
Back in September, GM Chairman and CEO Dan Akerson said GM would target Tesla specifically with new EV offerings from Cadillac as well.


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A 200 mile range is the very least it needs to have
By Enoch2001 on 12/16/2013 3:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm in Michigan, and my buddy just picked up a 2012 Mitsubish iMiev. It's range - when totally charged - is just under 100 miles. That said - run the heat and the range is almost cut in half.

IN HALF.

Now, a 50 mile range (assuming you're 100% charged) for an all-electric car is close to useless in Michigan winters. Therefore, I submit that an all-electric range of 200 miles is the very least that needs to happen.

...for under $25,000 USD... :)




RE: A 200 mile range is the very least it needs to have
By Mint on 12/17/2013 6:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
EPA range for the i-MiEV is 62 miles, not 100. Consider those 38 extra miles in ideal conditions to be a bonus, and an "up to" figure. I don't even know if they're allowed to use the 100 figure in marketing (I've never seen gas cars market non-EPA mileage, either).

The i-MiEV is at the bottom rung of the EV ladder. The Nissan LEAF and Renault ZOE, for example, now use a heat pump (basically run the AC in reverse) as opposed to a dumb electric heater. That greatly reduces electricity needed for heating in the winter.


By Nagorak on 12/18/2013 4:57:48 AM , Rating: 2
Heat pumps generally only work down to a certain temperature level. At some point there is so little heat in the air that they cannot operate effectively. So, in freezing or near freezing weather it's doubtful that having a heat pump would make much difference.


By foxalopex on 12/17/2013 8:46:23 AM , Rating: 3
I own a Chevy Volt and yes I would agree, battery range is about 1/2 in cold weather. (0 F) However unlike most EV's the Volt has a gas engine which kicks on in cold weather to provide heat so surprisingly this car works well in winter as well.

As I pointed out to a friend once, sure a gas engine wastes almost all it's power generating heat. But in the winter, heat is good. :)


By extide on 12/17/2013 4:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
The 50 mile range on the volt is for the electric part, it's actual range is significantly longer than that alone.


Yawn
By Dr of crap on 12/16/2013 12:36:15 PM , Rating: 2
REALLY - "could release" Do we care if they COULD??




RE: Yawn
By russki on 12/16/2013 12:38:41 PM , Rating: 2
I could have released something in the bathroom after eating this pizza.

I probably still will though.


Same Old
By btc909 on 12/16/2013 2:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
So this is still stuck on the same tuna can Delta II platform.

MT was reporting "200 miles of all electric range" for around 30K. Yes I called BS on that right away.




RE: Same Old
By Alexvrb on 12/17/2013 12:09:48 AM , Rating: 2
So... it shares some underpinnings with other vehicles? If you think that is really all that important by itself, that's just silly. Platform is just part of the story. Many platforms span a range of vehicles and performance levels.

A base model rental-grade Cobalt is Delta. A tuned track-proven turbocharged Cobalt SS is also Delta. They handle and perform nothing alike. Considering the added weight, the Volt rides well enough, better than many competing PHEVs. Even on the same platform, you'll often see different suspensions, etc being deployed. Even on the pedestrian Delta II you have some variants with Watt's link.

Anyway, the next-gen ~2016 model Volt is likely going to be Delta III. Cruze will probably make the shift a bit earlier. Delta III is a modular platform and will span a wide range of attributes, models, and performance.


Silly talk
By Dorkyman on 12/18/2013 12:58:44 PM , Rating: 3
So much silly talk, in my view. Once the "range" gets over a certain threshold, it becomes much like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. We can be certain that if an electric car meets a typical 100 mile range that someone will insist on 200 miles, and upon meeting that threshold the new demand will be for 500 miles, and so forth.

For in-town running about, 50 miles is workable. For highway use, a hybrid makes sense. There is nothing "wrong" with using a supplemental gasoline engine, especially now that it appears we have nearly unlimited quantities of this amazingly flexible and powerful fuel.




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