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Motorola Droid, powered by Google's Android 2.0 OS

A Droid phone in the wild  (Source: AP)

The iPhone has more apps than the Droid phone and is a bit thinner, but it lacks a physical keyboard, arguably an inferior screen, a worse camera, no support for Flash, and a lack of true multitasking, forcing app backgrounding. Apple is reportedly planning a price cut on a reduced memory iPhone 3GS (8 GB) to try to stay competitive.
Apple once again is challenged in the smartphone arena

While the Blackberry is currently the bestselling smartphone, thanks largely to a strong core of business users, sales numbers indicate the iPhone dominates the multimedia entertainment phone market.  Verizon's Droid phone, which launched on Friday, may change that as it looks to be solid competitor to the iPhone in many ways.

Droid ships with a 16 GB microSD card, but is expandable up to 32 GB, allowing it to match the highest-capacity iPhone 3GS (which does not have expandable memory).  The phone is ever-so-slightly thicker than the iPhone, at 13.7 mm (vs. 12 mm for the iPhone 3GS).  It also packs a slide-out physical keyboard, which some customers prefer.

Droid also has a better camera (5.0 megapixels vs. 3.0 megapixels on the iPhone), a dual LED flash (the iPhone has no camera flash), and a nicer screen.  The Droid's screen bests the iPhone's both in pixel density and size (3.7" and 265 ppi for Droid, 3.5" and 185 ppi for the iPhone).  It also bests the iPhone in battery capacity (1400 mAh v. 1219 mAh), though the actually operating battery life has not been extensively benchmarked versus the iPhone.  Like the iPhone, Droid features multi-touch technology, something Apple claims to hold a copyright on and reportedly strong-armed Google out of with the original Android operating system.  And like the Palm Pre, true multitasking is supported.

Other advantages include its support of Adobe Flash (allowing full-fledged internet browsing), a technology that Apple has rejected.  It also compares favorably with the iPhone on price, coming in at $200 after $100 mail-in rebate with a new contract, versus $199 (with plan) for a 16 GB iPhone 3GS, or $299 for a 32 GB iPhone 3GS.

Along with the launch of the new phone on Friday came official details on its tethering plan.  Like the Blackberry Storm 2 and several other Verizon handsets, Droid phones indeed have an option to serve as a mobile internet connection for your PC and laptop at home or on the go.

One of the long standing complaints about the iPhone is that AT&T still doesn't offer tethering services with it in the U.S.  While tethering may soon be in sight, as it is supported by the current version of OS X software on the iPhone, many wonder how much longer they will have to wait.  Some of these users are now eying Droid, as tethering is now officially available for it.

The phone's tethering costs are similar to Verizon's other 3G phone tethering offers, reportedly.  For any user with a qualifying handset, they pay a maximum of $50 per month for 5GB of data transfer.  Most users have access to a $30 per month rate, if they have the Unlimited Wireless Email, Email and Web for Smartphone Feature or Plan, Nationwide Premium Plan and others -- which nearly all Verizon's smart phone customers opt for. 

Customers with Verizon's $79.99 per month PDA/Smartphone Nationwide Email plan get a nice perk -- the ability to pick up tethering for only $15 per month.  Customers jumping on tethering should be careful, though, overages (after the first 5120 MB) run at 5 cents per MB, or $51.20 per GB.

The tethering option at $30 per month, while not overly cheap (it doubles Droid's $30 data fee), does stack up nicely compared to Verizon's wireless broadband cards, which also use the telecom's 3G network.  These cards, available in USB and PC Card forms (typically free or at minimal cost after rebate) are offered with plans of 250MB of data for $40 a month (10 cents per MB overages) or 5 GB for $60 per month (5 cents per MB overages).  The only other apparent downside of choosing tethering on Droid or Verizon's other phones is that it may prove a significant drain your phone battery when in use.

While there are many upsides to Verizon customers when it comes to the Droid phone, one downside is its app marketplace.  There reportedly are a bit over 10,000 apps in the Droid marketplace, while Apple's marketplace just surpassed 100,000.  As mentioned, the iPhone also manages a close win in thickness and additionally the iPhone 3GS processor, an 800 MHz Arm processor underclocked to 600 MHz, slightly bests Droid's processor, which is a 550 MHz Arm processor.  However, with Droid trumping the iPhone 3GS in many other areas, Apple is reportedly a bit spooked.  According to Boy Genius Report, the Cupertino giant is considering a $99 8 GB iPhone 3GS in time for the holiday season.



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Got one
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 9:17:20 AM , Rating: 3
Picked mine up Friday. So far liking it a lot. Very fast and responsive. With heavy use it'll probably burn through the battery in 2 days. Youtube looks great on it as the screen is very impressive. The browser + 3G load pages pretty quickly, even a site like this with a lot on it. I can't wait to get Firefox on it though so I can use plugins like Adblock Plus and the like. The browser has the option to enable plugins but I haven't seen an easy way to get them yet.




RE: Got one
By danobrega on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Got one
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 9:27:31 AM , Rating: 2
You replied to the wrong post.


RE: Got one
By danobrega on 11/9/2009 1:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
ups, sorry. :)


RE: Got one
By reader1 on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Got one
By amanojaku on 11/9/2009 9:55:50 AM , Rating: 3
I'm amazed at the number of people who reply to you as if you're serious, like the people responding to your other post. I'll play along, though.

Yes, the desktop web browser will be killed, because MS, Mozilla, Opera, Apple, and anyone else making a browser will wake up and realize the billions spent over that last few decades was a mistake. Instead, we'll go back to ROM-based products that must be replaced with new hardware whenever we need new features. Electronic (in)security will be a thing of the past because we will use a new technology for data storage: paper. And Apple will create the next green PC: it'll be hamster-powered. What's more natural than a device powered by food and water?


RE: Got one
By themaster08 on 11/9/2009 9:58:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A web store is store for obtaining and managing web content

We all know what it is, you've only regurgitated the same line to us a thousand times.


RE: Got one
By B3an on 11/9/2009 11:33:26 AM , Rating: 3
reader1, GTFO.

Everything you post gets rated down insanely quick. No one wants to read the cr*p you type. You clearly seem to work for some business that wants everyone to pay for stuff on the net. No sane person would want that.


RE: Got one
By reader1 on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: Got one
By Spuke on 11/9/2009 5:09:56 PM , Rating: 1
You know, Reader1 reminds me of someone from long time ago. I still contend that the other person was funnier though.


RE: Got one
By Motoman on 11/9/2009 11:45:47 AM , Rating: 2
Hey FIT - do you use Exchange with it? We have Exchange 2003 here at work and it would be important that I could have good email integration with it...have been hearing some bits on the intarweb that maybe the Exchange integration isn't good?

Mostly I see issues with Outlook Tasks - which I wouldn't care about since I don't use them. But email and calendar would have to work well...


RE: Got one
By Jedi2155 on 11/9/2009 11:47:58 AM , Rating: 2
I've used exchange on my T-Mobile G1 via the use of ROMs. I hear Android 2.0, has integrated exchange support.


RE: Got one
By mcnabney on 11/10/2009 1:18:01 AM , Rating: 2
yup. It will push Exchange and Gmail effortlessly. You still have to select an interval if you want to POP. But it is 2009, who POPs anymore?


RE: Got one
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 12:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not using it but there's a built in app to synch it with your corporate calendar and email. Beyond that I can't tell you. I won't be synching it with my company. Party because I don't want to. Partly because I doubt I'd be allowed to.


RE: Got one
By Motoman on 11/9/2009 12:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
My company would let me use it...but I'd need to know that it worked well. Then I could toss the Blackberry.

Anybody else using a Droid with Exchange?


RE: Got one
By ShiverSlick on 11/9/2009 1:00:38 PM , Rating: 3
I have the new Droid, and am using it with an Exchange 2003 server, and it works great. The set up was a breeze. THe only thing I didn't like about the default client was that I couldn't move email to folders and it didn't sync tasks. However, I installed a program called TouchDown for exchange on the Droid, and now I can move messages between folders, sync up tasks and such. I freakin' love this phone.


RE: Got one
By psychobriggsy on 11/9/2009 2:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
I read that Droid Exchange integration was a $15/m fee to Verizon to enable.

$30/m for tethering, $30/m for "unlimited" data, $15/m for exchange ... that's a high price to pay.


RE: Got one
By Spuke on 11/9/2009 5:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
Exchange integration is built-in as far as I know.


RE: Got one
By Eagle17 on 11/10/2009 1:43:05 PM , Rating: 2
there are two data plans for this phone.

if you are a single or family customer you would buy the normal data plan at $30/mth

if you are a corporate customer you need to use the "unlimited" data plan at $45/mth

Note that both plans allow for only 5GB data transfer per month.

If you purchase the verizon tethering plan/app you get an additional 5GB per month giving you a total of 10GB of transfers.


RE: Got one
By Sazar on 11/10/2009 6:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
5GB data is not bad. I typically go through about 1-2 GB of data and I abuse the hell out of my phone's data capabilities.

I can see how you can top 5 GB, but you would have to be 100% off the wifi networks.


RE: Got one
By msheredy on 11/9/2009 7:40:03 PM , Rating: 2
Bummer about the limited storage for apps though. I'm shocked that they, hmm let's say lacked on telling the public this. So much for an extensive app store eh?


RE: Got one
By Eagle17 on 11/10/2009 1:45:29 PM , Rating: 2
Most apps are very small and should be written to store data on the SD card but that is up to the developer.

As better apps become available (games will be the big question) it will be interesting to see if this becomes a real problem.


RE: Got one
By QueBert on 11/14/2009 1:28:53 AM , Rating: 2
this would be a deal breaker for me, especially with the talk it will never be addressed. I have easily over 256 megs of apps on my iPod Touch, that's not even counting games. With games I'm at 8 gigs right now. 256 megs only for apps is retarded. I don't care how big and beautiful the screen is. This limit is 100% fail. Reading up on it there's not even a good reason why it's in place, and even less reason why it can't and won't be changed. So basically you have a phone with up to 32 gigs of storage, but I can only use 256 for apps? BRILLIANT!

*HUGS his Touch*


RE: Got one
By nugundam93 on 11/12/2009 8:34:17 AM , Rating: 3
now Obi-Wan can say "this is the droid that you're looking for".

:)


Nice
By damianrobertjones on 11/9/2009 9:24:10 AM , Rating: 2
My friend, who owns a HTC Hero, said that he watched a vid demo of Droid and laughed as the device showed less than fluid animation/screen scrolling etc. The guy or whoever posted the thing is defending it like mad.

If it's anything like the Hero, they I'm sure that it's a nice device, but also as long as people see the shortcomings of it instead of 'OH MY, IT's AMAZING!'

P.s. I own a Toshiba TG01 with 6.5. Damn fast phone, with a really silly clanging auido problem that only the other person can hear. I like it, but it's not perfect




RE: Nice
By aebiv on 11/9/2009 11:37:04 AM , Rating: 4
Yeah, I'm very happy with my Windows Mobile phone that has been able to do all this stuff for a long time. I'm really excited to see the HD2 come out which will be HTC's first phone with the snapdragon like the TG01.

I find it funny Jason never mentions any of the WinMo phones, then again, he is one of the most biased writers on DT.


RE: Nice
By damianrobertjones on 11/9/2009 3:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
It's a shame that most people don't even know that Acer released a 1Ghz phone the other month. No adverts, no press, nothing of notice? Damn fast phone and doesn't cost that much at all £220.


RE: Nice
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 4:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
You realize that that's nearly $500 here right? Quite expensive.


RE: Nice
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 5:38:41 PM , Rating: 2
Actually at the current market rate that's only $368 and some change. No where near this mythical $500 mark.


RE: Nice
By petrosy on 11/9/2009 5:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
.. and its that price with out been tied to a contract.

Definitely the cheapest phone on the market with Exchange intergration by Acer 3rd party app.


RE: Nice
By fic2 on 11/9/2009 6:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting math since $368 is nearly 75% of the way to $500 - 73.6% to be exact. I would say that 73.6% of a number is pretty near that number.


RE: Nice
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 7:46:31 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, you believe that in your own little universe. Being off by > 25% isn't close by any stretch of the imagination, not even in statistics.


RE: Nice
By piroroadkill on 11/10/2009 3:50:43 AM , Rating: 2
What the hell are you talking about


RE: Nice
By aebiv on 11/9/2009 9:22:45 PM , Rating: 2
I knew, I've looked at it, but the reviews weren't very good for it... I'm hoping they have some better ones come out of their lineup, as I think they have potential :)


RE: Nice
By Spuke on 11/12/2009 3:29:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, I'm very happy with my Windows Mobile phone that has been able to do all this stuff for a long time.
Can you install Flash on Windows Mobile phones? Curious.


My mini-review
By JuPO5b4REqAYbSPUlMcP on 11/9/2009 12:47:27 PM , Rating: 1
I've used since Friday Morning, a good 3 days worth. I am thinking of returning mine.

1. The battery life hasn't lasted more than 14 hours, even with moderate use. The phone has died overnight with 10-40% charge as I went to sleep.

2. The GPS/latitude functions absolutely drain this thing dry. They are almost useless, in other words. You MUST remember to turn off GPS after you use it or you are looking at 4-5 hour use.

3. I left wifi on last night, and the phone was dead this morning. apparently you can't tell it to time out if it can't find a signal?

4. Phone has hung 2-3 times a day using built-in apps. On Saturday I couldn't power it on until I removed and put back the battery.

5. Miss having crucial information on the home screen like calendar entries and other crucial information.

6. App selection is pretty bad. The few games I tried were very lame.

7. GPS accuracy is fairly bad. My girlfriend's iPhone is accurate to a few hundred feet. The Droid was putting my location .5 miles away.

The good:
- Best browser. Noticeably faster than iphone's, and I prefer the interface to any other browser.
- Gorgeous display.
- Sound quality is much better than any phone I've used. The reviews pan the voice quality but I'm amazed by it.

This phone was released unready. I recommend waiting until they update the firmware/software a few times. The hardware seems decent it is the software than needs work.




RE: My mini-review
By damianrobertjones on 11/9/2009 3:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
I like your honesty, instead of the 'this phooon rulez'

Refreshing. Google does usually = unfinished.

BUT saying that, the Hero is a nice phone.


RE: My mini-review
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 3:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
1. Turn off WiFi if you aren't using it. In fact, there is a nice little, free, app just to manage power with a minimum of fuss.
2. The extreme stress tests have this thing going through the battery in 7 hours when the processor is running something complicated, brightness set to max, GPS on, and all radios going (BT, WiFi, EVDO, CDMA). Not too bad. I put the thing in the dock every night and I have never seen more than one bar missing. I don't really use it for games though.
3. Odd that you are having GPS issues. Mine is very accurate. Might be something wrong with the calibration. If you go back to the store, have the store device and your device pull-up their locations and see if it is just your phone.
4. The app store will grow, especially with so many devices coming down the pipe. It took a long time for Apple to hit 100k, but I don't see a reason Android won't.
5. I totally agree with you about video and voice quality. I don't think that the press is really explaining how sharp an image this damn thing can produce. And the voice quality is flawless - something else seldom mentioned - but I also noticed that my music also sounds better now. I'm not really sure what is in the Droid that causes this.


RE: My mini-review
By Spuke on 11/9/2009 7:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
Does it have stereo bluetooth? Thanks.


RE: My mini-review
By mcnabney on 11/10/2009 1:24:03 AM , Rating: 2
yes


RE: My mini-review
By Cr0nJ0b on 11/10/2009 10:18:51 AM , Rating: 2
I always find it interesting when I read responses like this. The issue as I read it is that the phone isn't ready. Nothing pisses me off more than buying a $300+ product and finding that some idiot forgot to add the basic details that a user would need. Your response though, can be summed up as... "there's a fix for that!"

You don't like the battery life..."there's a fix for that"

You don't like the wifi leaving itself on..."there's a fix for that"

GPS isn't working..."there's a patch for that"

I think the point is that if the product doesn't work as advertised out of the box, sans tweaks, you have failed in the development department. I'm just not sure if it's google's developers or Mototola's developers who should be help to account.


RE: My mini-review
By Spuke on 11/12/2009 3:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
point is that if the product doesn't work as advertised out of the box
What doesn't work on it? I read it that there's some configurations he would like to see not that things didn't work.


RE: My mini-review
By sxr7171 on 11/12/2009 5:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
I know the feeling. As a former Nokia customer, trust me I know the feeling.

I don't know how they would rush it out before even figuring out power management for GPS and Wi-Fi. That's the kind of thing that makes you wonder if these guys are serious. It's the same exact same feeling I had with Nokia.

It's fine to miss some functionality, but it's not okay to release a device in such a condition that you wonder if one actual human being tested it out for one day before shipping the whole lot out.


RE: My mini-review
By heulenwolf on 11/10/2009 12:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
GPS can perform extremely poorly in certain unfavorable environments such as indoors or in "urban canyons." Apple supplements GPS with their Skyhook service which can get a reasonable estimate based on cellular towers and wifi base stations even in places where GPS performs poorly. While 1/2 mile error shouldn't be the norm for GPS, its certainly within the max error GPS can have in worst case scenarios. That's the problem with GPS for people tracking that system developers don't often take into account: most of the time error is in the single or double digit meters, a small fraction of the time error is in the triple-digit meters or single-digit kilometers. The GPS chip makers or board vendors still do poorly in detecting and reporting when the error is ridiculous. Is it always off by that much or just the one sample?

This explanation isn't meant as an excuse for the Droid. Better system design can solve this problem if they make it a priority. Its just an explanation of how GPS isn't the solution we consumers want it to be all by itself, yet.


RE: My mini-review
By Hoser McMoose on 11/12/2009 10:26:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GPS can perform extremely poorly in certain unfavorable environments such as indoors or in "urban canyons."

One other point of note, GPS accuracy after a 'cold boot' of the GPS chip (which will certainly happen when the phone is brand new and may or may not happen when you pull the battery) will typically be very inaccurate for this first 15 to 20 minutes until it downloads the GPS almanac. Seeing a half-mile error within the first few minutes of powering up a brand new GPS device is not unexpected.


RE: My mini-review
By sxr7171 on 11/12/2009 5:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
I appreciate your honesty and despite currently using an iPhone GS, I wanted this phone to blow away the iPhone.

Some things you list need to be put into perspective.

1. 14hours is fine for a modern smartphone. Every smartphone I've bought needs about one week for the battery to develop it's full usable life. Also any new toy will be used a lot since it is new. 14 hours under moderate to heavy use on a new battery actually bodes well for battery life. As a 3GS user I can tell you that if I forget to charge it even one night it will die by mid-morning the second day. I'm actually a very light user. I use it for e-mail and about 1 hour of music a day. A friend of mine tells me that the Palm Pre has slightly worse battery life than the 3GS.

2. GPS battery life sounds terrible. In most phones leaving it on will kill it. But I think Apple and even Nokia have found ways to conserve power with intelligent auto-on/off functionality even when a GPS app is running. I hope there is a software fix for this.

3. Yes, a real problem. Sounds like the software isn't as thought out as it should be. Reminds me of Nokia.

4. This is a real problem. iPhone OS post 2.1 has been the most stable phone OS I have used in my life bar none. I'm not a fan of its UI or its lack of openness and lack of multitasking but its stability keeps me a customer.

5. Yeah this is very "Apple-like" where form is pushed above function. I can see why Apple would do it, but I would expect better from Google. This lack of home screen thing better not become a trend.

6. I guess it's got to start somewhere.

7. Bad news. I hope it's software fixable.

Would really like for the GSM version to come out, but I must admit this the first time I have ever been jealous of a Verizon customer's phone selection.


I just bought the droid.
By jesman0 on 11/9/2009 9:57:03 AM , Rating: 3
My 3 year old Razr died finally on Saturday and after a lot of research and messing around with my friends iPhone I decided to get a Droid while i was at the verizon store with a demo model. The things that sold me on the Droid is the free and very fast voice activated GPS navigation, the great Google services integration, and of course, Verizon's Network. I actually have a signal in my office now. I never had a good signal with t-mobile. The Networking features are great. I got the cheap data plan and was able to quickly setup all my emails in a few minutes, including the Exchange Server from work. Everything pushes as expected.

Overall, this phone is very impressive. The multi-tasking works great and there are many comparable apps in the Droid Market to the iPhone store. I really like that my phone isn't locked into itunes as well.

I think the only drawback that I have experienced is that it is very hard to control my Dragon Punches running a SNES emu. While the software runs fine, the lack of true gaming controls makes it a very frustrating experience to Hadoken at will.




RE: I just bought the droid.
By kellehair on 11/9/2009 11:25:40 AM , Rating: 2
I got mine on Saturday morning. I've badly wanted a smartphone for awhile and the iPhone was never an option for me for a litany of reasons. That being said the Droid is amazing. The screen resolution is so great you can read even the tiniest text with ease -- zooming in is rarely necessary. The GPS is very snappy -- it finds my location faster than my car unit. The app selection is great, and even better, the free apps are awesome! The amount of customization you can do is nigh endless. I could go on all day...


RE: I just bought the droid.
By Bateluer on 11/9/2009 1:07:31 PM , Rating: 2
Got mine friday evening, love it. Absolutely amazing phone. My only real gripe is the battery life, which is pretty sad. But this is a sore point with all smart phones. I ordered two additional USB cables and a car charger too. One on my desk at home, one in the laptop bag, and one in the car. I'll look into extended batteries when they are released.


RE: I just bought the droid.
By kellehair on 11/9/2009 2:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
Check the battery usage monitor. My battery wore down in 6 hours on Sunday. The monitor showed that GPS was responsible for like 65% of my battery usage. I stopped the GPS from running in the background and my battery now lasts much longer.


RE: I just bought the droid.
By Bateluer on 11/9/2009 4:51:05 PM , Rating: 2
I turned off the GPS and WiFi. I think its more my constant tweaking and searching the Android Market.


RE: I just bought the droid.
By FITCamaro on 11/10/2009 8:49:22 AM , Rating: 2
Just put the little power control widget on your home screen and you can turn things on and off with a tap.


Error in Article
By Ard on 11/9/2009 10:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
"Like the iPhone, Droid features multi-touch technology, something Apple claims to hold a copyright on..."

I'm going to assume that this is more likely an error on the author's part rather than Apple's (I would hope Apple's legal/PR department know what they're talking about). You can't hold a copyright in a technology. Copyrights are reserved for artistic/literary works. What Apple would be claiming to hold is a patent.

As for the phone itself, it sounds pretty impressive. I currently have a iPhone 3G so I won't be able to jump ship until next July, something I've been seriously considering. I love the iPhone as a media device/handheld PC, but it absolutely blows as a phone. How much of that is AT&T's fault or Apple's fault is anyone's guess, but, needless to say, things could be a lot better.




RE: Error in Article
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 3:52:30 PM , Rating: 2
The Droid has multitouch, but I have an idea why it uses a doubletap instead of a pinch to zoom. The Droid display is much higher a resolution than the iPhone, so the need to zoom is much lower. I have only used the zoom a few times and both of those were for pictures. Not having to use a second digit seems more intuitive to me. Or maybe they designed this to be more usable for people without thumbs. I don't know, but I have not missed the pinch function one bit.


RE: Error in Article
By Aloonatic on 11/10/2009 5:38:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I love the iPhone as a media device/handheld PC, but it absolutely blows as a phone.
It's strange how that seems to be an aside, when talking about mobile phones these days. Maybe it's not the main use for the device any more, but for me it is really annoying how bad some phones are.

My brother has a little Nokia phone and an iPhone (3G) that he uses from time to time. You can always tell when he's calling you using the iPhone though, the quality is awful. It's on the same network too. It's just not that good as a phone. Is the 3GS better?

My mobile's just come out of contract and I seem to be caught in analysis paralysis at the moment. Sadly, however, it seems that my decision is being made a little easier as the Droid does not seem to be all that well favoured amongst UK operators.

The fact that my wife's car has a connector for an iPod/iPhone so that i can be used through the car stereo and controlled like normal through the steering wheel control may make me go the iPhone route. They have a well entrenched position in both apps and hardware support like car jacks and speaker sets.

How compatable are other phones/media players with these devices?

Yes, I've managed to largely steer clear of iPhones/iPods and media players in general until now, somehow, so don;t really know much about it.


RE: Error in Article
By SnakeBlitzken on 11/10/2009 1:43:04 PM , Rating: 2
Agree. My iphone does everything great but answer calls. I'm thinking of going to a different phone at the end of the contract and using it as an ipod touch.


RE: Error in Article
By Sazar on 11/10/2009 6:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
Dropped calls and the iffy 3.0 update have been the primary pain-points with the iPhone for me.

Heck, with the 3.0 update, if I didn't reboot my phone, it would randomly stop receiving/alerting me about calls and texts. I felt so unloved :(

I walked into the Verizon store and will keep an eye on this phone. The navigation feature is awesome and I really hope it gets ported to the iPhone.

I am waiting to see where the next iPhone goes :)


A better camera?
By awaken688 on 11/9/2009 10:31:07 AM , Rating: 5
Not that this was anything other than a Droid advertisement in a sense, but why do people always assume more megapixels = better camera. Granted it has flash which is nicer for sure, but all the real life tests with the Droid camera show that currently the camera portion of the phone sucks royally. 5MP of a poorly focused and noisy image is still a POS image. From a tech site, I expect better.




RE: A better camera?
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 12:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
I am not sure where you are reading that about the Droid's camera. It is a 480p CMOS camera which shoots amazing video. It suffers a little indoors, but so do most video cameras. The LED flash is good for about 5 or 6 feet, which is okay.

Also, remember that the screen has about 60% more pixels than iPhone - 854x480 vs 480x320 - to match a Droid in landscape you would have to stand up two and half iPhones in portrait.


RE: A better camera?
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 3:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
No he's right. The camera isn't terrible but its not great. Images actually look better when you turn the camera down to 2MP. For video it doesn't really matter since its only doing 480p(which is pretty good and impressive for a phone). But with an image, at full resolution, if you zoom in its pretty easy to see how noisy the image quality is.

I certainly won't stop carrying my camera around to use the phone instead when I want to take pictures. Cameras on phones are for more of a in-a-pinch situation.


RE: A better camera?
By xti on 11/9/2009 2:59:38 PM , Rating: 1
My canon is smaller than my iPhone, to me, its to the point as long as a pic that a phone can take is at least somewhat visible, then thats enough.

If i want a quality pic, i will just reach in my other pocket. It's all gonna fit in credit card slots in a wallet sooner or later.

swagger, is still only available on iPhone ;)


Android will win
By trivik12 on 11/9/2009 9:43:26 AM , Rating: 4
Android will become windows of smartphone world. We will be inundated with android devices over next 2 years and by sheer volume will outsell iphone globally. At that point there will be enough useless apps for android like iphone.




RE: Android will win
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 10:13:55 AM , Rating: 2
iPhone is far closer to becoming the Windows of smartphones. Remember, they have the hacks, virii, and worms targeting them - which makes for a closer analogy/


RE: Android will win
By trivik12 on 11/9/2009 2:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
I was talking about sheer volume of android phones we will see in the market in an year or two. Every provider will have dozen or more phones at various price points and that would be enough to beat iphone.


RE: Android will win
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 5:49:32 PM , Rating: 1
Could happen. I know that the Xperia X10 from Sony Ericsson looks fucking amazing. With the price it'll command it's not going to sell well. Subsidized phones in the US kill any chance for other phones, even better phones, from getting any ground if the cell companies don't pick them up.

Can't say a whole lot about the phone since many things are still unconfirmed and there is no demo for it yet. Should come out to market within 6 months though. The specs so far look just spectacular though. Only thing I noticed that was missing was an FM tuner. I like having an FM tuner, but all the extras I'll have over my current phone, and most other phones for that matter, outweigh that one shortcoming.

I'm really looking forward to it, even if only because it'll probably push the price for the X2 down. Doubt it's something I'll be able to afford since I'm already jobless.


$256 per GB? Math failure?
By namechamps on 11/9/2009 9:59:15 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Customers jumping on tethering should be careful, though, overages (after the first 5120 MB) run at 5 cents per MB, or $256.00 per GB.


1024 MB : 1 GB.

$0.05 * 1024 = $51.20 per GB. Still an insane ripoff but not sure where they got $256.00 from?




RE: $256 per GB? Math failure?
By Jeff7181 on 11/9/2009 12:08:16 PM , Rating: 2
1 GB = 1024 MB
5 GM = 5120 MB
5120 * $0.05 = $256


RE: $256 per GB? Math failure?
By peterstorm on 11/9/2009 6:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
so... That's $256 per 5 GM


RE: $256 per GB? Math failure?
By sxr7171 on 11/14/2009 12:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
You think that's bad? Get on AT&T and see what happens if you use data without a plan. $0.03 per *KB*. So you're looking at $30 an MB. (roughly).


How many times we had seen this.
By Shark Tek on 11/9/2009 9:28:36 AM , Rating: 2
Now this is the real iPhone Killer...
This phone do many things better thant the iPhone...

I think that Android is the best platform to take over the Apple market share in the following years to come.

But the things is that this is not the first time that a phone/platform was made to take out the iPhone from the path but they one way or another end up failing.




By stubeck on 11/9/2009 1:47:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm probably going to switch to a Droid from my current 9 month old iPhone 3G because of the sudden slowness of the iPhone. Somewhere when 3.01 came out, everything takes forever now to do. It took a full 10 seconds for the iPod portion to come up and do anything. I also had a nice problem with voicemail for a month, with no indication from the phone that anything was wrong. Considering this doubles as my work phone, that was rather bad.


100,000 apps?
By Motoman on 11/9/2009 10:27:57 AM , Rating: 2
...and how many of them are utterly retarded? And how many do you actually want on your phone?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that all the apps you'd ever want are available for the Droid. And damn near anything else already exists as a little Flash app someplace on the intarweb.




RE: 100,000 apps?
By ajira99 on 11/9/2009 11:10:21 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with this sentiment. I have the Touch and do enjoy using apps on it (I even bought a few), but despite their convenience, I don't really use them daily. Using "100,000 apps" as a selling point doesn't count for much if the apps are crap, shovelware, etc.


OMG
By MrPoletski on 11/10/2009 4:07:01 AM , Rating: 2
Am I the only hetro sexual male here that wants a larger version of that fembot pic? looks like a take on the borg queen or something.

mmmm, sexy android half-woman, HAWT




RE: OMG
By MrPoletski on 11/10/2009 8:42:13 AM , Rating: 2
No wonder she looks hot, it's Summer Glau

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Sarah...


Where's the app support?
By streamer32 on 11/9/2009 6:03:50 PM , Rating: 1
Droid has a shot at becoming a serious competitor to the iPhone if it is able to somehow overcome the iPhone's applications advantage. It is starting to get some app support with killer apps like Google Voice and Navigation. I also hear that NeuroMobile will be available on the Droid soon. It's a start but the iPhone's advantage may be impossible to overcome. There is not enough app support for me to switch yet.




RE: Where's the app support?
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 7:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad everyone isn't as short sighted as you are.


By Roffles on 11/9/2009 6:18:39 PM , Rating: 1
The Droid is an experience on a whole different level compared to my old Blackberry Pearl. I put the voice search and navigation software to the test over the weekend and I was just amazed. The way apps integrate with the OS is also remarkable. Enough has been said about how good this phone is....here are my complaints:

1. The music player is garbage. I'm half tempted to start using expletives to describe the shortcoming of the music player. And what about the screen lock preventing you from skipping tracks and adjusting volume? As far as I'm concerned, the music player is incomplete.

2. Where is the media/video player? Seriously? This phone is useless for music and video.

3. Multi-touch and gestures? (supposedly it's supported and hopefully will be massaged into the OS at some point in the very near future).

4. Camera has trouble focusing on the subject (firmware/software fix to address this problem has been confirmed)

5. How about an option to play mp3's with the alarm clock? Or what about a task scheduler?

Great, great phone overall and I'm sure future updates will address my complaints. I really want this phone to be better with music and media so I can finally ditch PMP's and MP3 players and get it all in one great package.




By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 7:49:07 PM , Rating: 2
Jesus, if it really has problems like that then it's not much more than a phone. If I couldn't do any of that on my current phone I'd be super pissed since I use it ALL the time, except for videos. I've used it, but my small screen makes it not so great.


A Verizon rep just told me that...
By Motoman on 11/12/2009 11:17:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Currently, Mobile Broadband Connect (tethering) is not a feature that is offered for the Droid by Motorola. We hope to have this feature available in the future for our Droid devices. To view the devices supported for tethering, please visit our website at http://vzam.net/download/supported.aspx


...the article states that tethering is available. It appears somebody is missing something.




T:TSCC
By Yawgm0th on 11/9/09, Rating: 0
Hmmm
By krotchy on 11/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmm
By B3an on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
The iPhone will win.
By reader1 on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: The iPhone will win.
By Etsp on 11/9/2009 9:20:59 AM , Rating: 3
They already prevent competition with free apps a la the whole "no flash support" thing... I'd say that's enough.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 9:26:47 AM , Rating: 4
Browsing on the Droid is extremely easy. It fits a page like Anandtech just fine and you can read it even without zooming in.

And its no wonder you love socialism. Your love of complete and utter control of an environment extends not only throughout the real world, but the technological one as well.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By corduroygt on 11/9/2009 10:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
I actually like the iphone because I jailbroke it and can tether with it without paying an unjustified extra fee, since data is data whether it's displayed on your phone or your laptop. I view telecom companies as more of a threat than apple, since there are always alternatives for its products, but this is not the case for telecom companies sometimes.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 12:08:36 PM , Rating: 3
Actually it makes a ton of sense.

The wireless companies charge $60 for internet access on a laptop, but provide a big discount, only $30, for smartphones. They do this because smartphones aren't going to use as much data as an aircard.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By corduroygt on 11/9/2009 3:33:16 PM , Rating: 2
what's the difference if both are capped?


RE: The iPhone will win.
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 3:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
The cap is there to discourage Bittorrent and watching a bunch of movies online.
My old Smartphone, a WM6.1 device, usually had about 100MB of data usage each month. One time it was over 200MB. My aircard chews through 2GB every month - probably because Outlook is the biggest resource hog, ever. Two very different usage types, so two very different bills. I don't think one of the older smartphones could even hit 5GB in a month without some specialized app that just downloaded continously. Droid might be able to. I'll know when I get my next bill.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By corduroygt on 11/10/2009 10:27:04 AM , Rating: 2
So what? You're paying to be able to download data up to your cap. Doesn't matter if you're only using 200MB or 4.9GB with a 5GB cap. You can download 5GB each month if you choose to, since THAT'S IN YOUR CONTRACT. Your usage going up from 200MB to 2 GB just because you're tethering doesn't matter as long as it's below your cap.

What you're saying is if you have a 500 minute plan, and you usually only use 100 minutes a month, and suddenly you start using 450, the phone company can charge you extra. NO!


RE: The iPhone will win.
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 12:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
You can tether the Droid or any other Android phone for free to with an app. ;)

I haven't done it just read online about it. Really have no need to since the phone can do almost anything my laptop can, albeit maybe a little slower.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Motoman on 11/9/2009 12:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
Shurely you wouldn't suggest tethering to such a device without paying the carrier's extra fees?

You had probably better tell me the name of that app so I can investigate it and sternly shake my finger at it.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Eagle17 on 11/10/2009 2:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
you can tether the droid without having to hack it. as mentioned there is an app for that you also need to download the dun drivers from motorola

also if you do pay for tehtering you get an extra 5gb data so it is acually better than paying $60/mth for 5gb on an air card.

except you can't use your phone while it is tethered... (where is LTE?)


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Fenixgoon on 11/9/2009 9:27:18 AM , Rating: 3
have you considered the fact that safari just plain sucks?


RE: The iPhone will win.
By rudy on 11/9/2009 9:33:45 AM , Rating: 2
Some things like advanced fart apps are not worth paying for second developing a flash based game or feature that is compatible with all flash enabled smart phones will get you a wider audience then a app only for iPhones.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By reader1 on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: The iPhone will win.
By mcnabney on 11/9/2009 10:19:02 AM , Rating: 2
You know it is an entirely unfair comparision to weigh ALL PCs against consoles. At least distinguish between an email/Office PC and gaming PCs. I would imagine that PC game sales per device are very good when you only count PCs with a real gaming video card inside.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By troysavary on 11/9/2009 10:27:10 AM , Rating: 2
You should probably qualify that to limit it to PC gaming, not overall sales of PC software. Windows sales alone make far more money than the entire console market.

As an aside, I am not even sure the console market really is bigger than the PC game market either. Sure, consoles win in retail sales. But the majority on PC game sales are online now. You can't just count the shooters and RTS games that dominate the console market. All those casual Java and Flash games from Oberon, Big Fish, Wildgames, etc are a huge market. Every HP home PC sold ships with Wildgames, and I believe Gateway does as well.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By weskurtz0081 on 11/9/2009 11:54:40 AM , Rating: 1
Why do you think console developers are making so much more money than PC developers?

Since I know you don't own the answer to that, I will answer it for you, it's because console software sales are MUCH higher than PC game software sales.

Just because there are a bunch of computers out there doesn't mean everyone with a PC plays games. However, the main focus of a game console is to play games, and every game console will at least have one game with it.

Nice thought but no where near accurate. It's funny how you are onto comparing everything to consoles now, to bad your comparison here holds not one ounce of validity.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 7:55:33 PM , Rating: 1
Except for Blizzard, and I'm sure they probably make more off of WoW than many other game companies do off their entire lineup of games.

Ohh, and what games does Valve have for consoles? I know of Half-life, but I can't think of any others. I don't even see how Valve could do anything on consoles considering how dependent they are on the Steam platform.

I guess you just like to ignore some facts though.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By djc208 on 11/9/2009 9:37:12 AM , Rating: 1
That's typical Apple concepts: compeition will just reduce profits and exclusivity. That would be horrible for the who?

If the installed base is large enough (and the number of Android devices is growing quickly), then the scale will be too large to ignore, and the economies will work out anyway. You can charge half as much and still make more money if there are more than twice as many potential customers.

Why would you want to remove a feature that even the simplest of free cell phones has? Stripping the web browser would be the biggest mistake Apple could make, it would be like limiting an iPod to only playing music purchased through iTunes.

Apple doesn't own the web (if anything Google does), limiting people to app content only would be putting blinders on the phone, and giving it's compeition a huge leg up.

Apple users may be used to the company telling them what they can and can't look at but the rest of us like the freedom to choose.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By ExarKun333 on 11/9/2009 9:39:31 AM , Rating: 1
You must not have a lot of experience with Smartphones. The web browsing is actually very useful on the iPhone, and it would be rediculous to remove this feature.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By reader1 on 11/9/09, Rating: -1
RE: The iPhone will win.
By Alexstarfire on 11/9/2009 7:58:26 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, I can see how logical taking a step back can be the future. I guess we should all go back to walking because it's far easier than using a car.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By weskurtz0081 on 11/9/2009 9:52:38 AM , Rating: 1
Steve, is that you!?


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Bateluer on 11/9/2009 10:23:33 AM , Rating: 3
Guys, don't feed the troll. He's an idiot.


RE: The iPhone will win.
By FITCamaro on 11/9/2009 12:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm wondering.....

Do trolls go nom nom nom while they eat? :)


RE: The iPhone will win.
By Motoman on 11/9/2009 12:36:15 PM , Rating: 2
I think he's a bot of some kind, therefore he doesn't need to eat.

It's strange though...you'd think that the point of such a bot would be to explore artificial intelligence. I don't get the reasoning behind this bot - which is clearly an exercise in artificial stupidity.


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