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Another high end Dell display surfaces, another few thousand techies salivate

Another high end Dell display surfaces, another few thousand techies salivate

The guys at Engadget might be in some hot water, but when it comes to monitoring obscure merchant webpages at 3AM, no one does it better.  Ryan Block writes that the new Dell 2407WFP is already available on the Dell Japan website (english) with specifications and prices.

Dell accidentally leaked specifications for the UltraSharp 2007WFP and 2007FP displays on the US website a few days ago.  The 3007WFP display was announced earlier this year, and the new 2407WFP rounds off the pack.  Rather than go with LG.Philips LCD (LPL) for the whole lineup, Dell opted for the Samsung LCD LTM240M2 panel -- just as the company did with the 2405FPW display. 

 

Dell 2407WFP

Panel

24" TFT LCD

Pixel Pitch

0.270mm

Luminance

500 nits

Contrast Ratio

1000:1

Response Time

6ms GTG, 16ms TrTf

Resolution

1920 x 1200

Inputs

DVI HDCP, D-sub, S-Video,  component, 9-1 card reader, USB


Dell Japan claims a 6ms response time on this 24" 1920x1200 beast.  This is an unusual move for Dell since the company usually claims very conservative response times on panels, especially considering the manufacturer claims a 8ms response time.  

Specification discrepancies aside, the 2407WFP is still a killer display.  We would be hard pressed to find a display with all of the inputs but Dell went one step further to also include a 9 in 1 card reader as well.  The 2407WFP may also come with optional 10W speakers.  Dell is expected to announce the new display (along with the 2007WFP and 2007FP) before the end of the month.


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Article errors
By masher2 (blog) on 3/21/2006 12:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
> "Dell also claims a 500 cd/m^2 constrast ratio (even though the manufacturer only claims 270 cd/m^2) "

That's a luminosity rating, not a contrast ratio. And since brightnes is based on backlighting, the manufacturer of the panel's own rating is irrelevant.




RE: Article errors
By nrb on 3/21/2006 12:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's a luminosity rating, not a contrast ratio. And since brightnes is based on backlighting, the manufacturer of the panel's own rating is irrelevant.
If they're using an ultra-bright backlight that would probably also account for the contrast ratio being higher than Samsung states. The 2405FPW is also rated at 1000:1, if memory serves - that is achieved by the maximum brightness being outrageously bright rather than by the black level being amazingly dark.


RE: Article errors
By granulated on 3/21/2006 6:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
Sharp has developed a 1,000,000-1 contrast ratio panel.

I wonder if it's all smoke and mirrors with a pinch of skullduggery ?


RE: Article errors
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/21/2006 12:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
typo.


RE: Article errors
By GoatMonkey on 3/21/2006 12:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
That may be, but it's a lot harder to explain away the response time difference.


RE: Article errors
By Wwhat on 3/22/2006 10:47:04 AM , Rating: 2
Overdrive can change response time, they could use custom overdrive technology I guess


Response time
By GGA1759 on 3/21/2006 12:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, I know the 6ms is grey to greay (GTG) but I don't know what the TrTf stands for. Can anyone enlighten me please?




RE: Response time
By Houdani on 3/21/2006 1:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
Time rise, time fall. Essentially the transition from white to black and then back to white. TrTf is really the only measuring stick worth seeing.


RE: Response time
By Houdani on 3/21/2006 1:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
(cough) ...worth seeing for response times. (/cough)


RE: Response time
By Chadder007 on 3/21/2006 1:25:20 PM , Rating: 2
I think it means Time to Rise and Time to Fall....something like that.


Samsung LCD LW2401-L03 panel ?
By forPPP on 3/21/2006 12:46:53 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure but LW2401-L03 is from 2003 and probably was used in 243T LCD. Dell 2407FPW is using LTM240M2: http://samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD /Monitor/LTM240M... , which has exactly 1000:1 and 500 cd/m2. Response time is 8 ms, not 6 ms.




Almost
By dnd728 on 3/21/2006 6:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the viewing angle is only 89°, so it's more likely the LTM240M1 that is PVA (vs. S-PVA). See them all here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TF TLCD/common/prod... (if you edit out the space that DailyTech adds in the URL)
The lower response time may be attributed to added "accelerators".


By Tuan Nguyen on 3/21/2006 7:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
We linked to the wrong URL. The info is fixed now.

Tuan


Is anything upgraded over the existing 2405?
By Fnoob on 3/21/2006 8:27:38 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like a prettier stand.... um.... is that all?

I've been running the 2405 for awhile, and love it. But here this gamer types: check the specs on what it will take to run this thing at native res at respectable frame rates. Last I checked dual 7800GTX 512MB cards choke at 1920x1200 during gameplay. Plan on using a 2nd monitor for gameplay until the rest of the platform gets up to speed. I found it rather shocking, and a wee bit depressing. Saaahweeet panel tho for the $$.




RE: Is anything upgraded over the existing 2405?
By yanman on 3/22/2006 11:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
all depends on the game and the detail levels. I play BF2 in native res with almost all detail maxed (no AA or AF tho) and it's totally smooth. I'm running 2.7Ghz A64 (overclocked, higher fsb) and a 7800GT (slightly overclocked too)


By Fnoob on 3/25/2006 9:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
I was noting that a FX60 w/ dual 7800GTX 512 were posting something like 15-20 f/sec in FEAR at 1920x1200 with ~max settings. I may be wrong but I think BF2 is alot more CPU/Memory dependant than FEAR, which is more GPU.

I think this native res, or 1920x1080 should be the current 'bar'. I just want to be able to run it smoothly. Im running dual 2600 AthlonMP with a 9800Pro, and it doesnt like this res with anything made in the last few years... Guess its time to suck it up and actually go PCI-E here eventually. Holding out for the dual 8-core CPU board. GLeeeeeee.



hmmm
By yacoub on 3/22/2006 7:12:46 AM , Rating: 2
I think I might get the Sony P234 23" 1920x1200 display since the pixel pitch is tighter and it has better response rates with its S-IPS display. The Samsung display is slower but you do get more input options on the Dell.
Decisions decisions. Maybe I'll just wait for this beast to arrive in a month and a half:
http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sh arp-lcd-tv/sharp...




RE: hmmm
By Wwhat on 3/22/2006 10:54:59 AM , Rating: 2
From all I heard the problem with widescreen displays is not so much the response time but the un-equal and leakthrough (inpefect blacklevels) backlighting, and the sparkling of video if it's not a MVA panel.
I have no idea how that relates to these newer and highend monitors though.


RE: hmmm
By trabpukcip on 3/27/2006 8:20:04 AM , Rating: 2
The Dell might have a better tonal ramp the 2405 can display 0-255 greyscales perfectly, plus the Sony screen is sure to cost a helluva lot more.


Nice Advert
By granulated on 3/21/2006 5:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
It's not surprising that these so-called 'leaks' occur when it gets the companies nice free advertising for their new products and high traffic hardware sites...

Pfff




RE: Nice Advert
By granulated on 3/21/2006 5:52:42 PM , Rating: 2
thats "...on high traffic..", of course.


[GIVE US AN EDIT BUTTON]


Already Available?
By trabpukcip on 3/27/2006 8:17:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dell accidentally leaked specifications for the UltraSharp 2007WFP and 2007FP displays on the US website a few days ago.


2007FP is already available even in backwards Australia ;)

AU$1049 Delivered.




RE: Already Available?
By yanman on 4/26/2006 11:24:04 PM , Rating: 2
2407 available today AUD$1599

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.a...

strange how they say it's 6ms and 450cd/m^2 though.. that would contradict the specs for the samsung /LTM240M2 panel of 8ms GtG and 500cd/m^2

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitor/LTM...


hmmm...
By Spoelie on 3/21/2006 12:02:20 PM , Rating: 2
I fail to see the difference between this model and the 2405fpw older model... If the change is only cosmetic, there isn't any point to it.




Samsung panel
By chilled on 3/21/2006 12:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
Ok so they're going for the Samsung panel instead of the LG-Philips panel (and moving down to 23").

But which is better - the LG-Philips ones or the Samsungs???




Dell 2407 or Samsung 244T?
By andy7 on 3/21/2006 1:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
The specs look pretty similar. Maybe the same LCD panel? Looking at the calendar it would make sense since the Samy has been out since October and shown a solid performance as a computer monitor. Plus it already had HDCP. I've been debating which one to get. On the minus side, Samsung's is more expensive and has a not-so-elegantly-placed USB-to-computer connector. On the plus side it ranks highly for color fidelity out of the box as far as LCD screens go. The question is, have improvements been made with the Dell (over the Samy) in terms of movie/video performance... and will the color fidelity be at least as good? I guess time (and patience) will tell once the reviewers get a hold of it




Samsung Lcd Panels
By electriple9 on 3/21/2006 5:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
I taught Samsung were the inventors on the LCD. and I also taught they were the only ones who make LCD panels, or who got the Patent for it.
Thanks




By TheBeagle on 3/22/2006 4:14:03 AM , Rating: 2
This new Dell monitor sure looks like my Samsung 242MP monitor. The specs are nearly identical, and the originating article indicates that the Dell unit utilizes a Samsung screen. If it's actually a Samsung 242MP re-branded as a Dell, then I would recommend it to anyone, since my Samsung 242MP (which I have been using since before Christmas) is nothing short of Fabulous! Enjoy. TheBeagle in ChocolateTown - USA!




mmm... *drool*
By Eris23007 on 3/21/2006 11:55:10 AM , Rating: 1
I have a 2405 at work, looks great - bright, big, great resolution, etc. Pleasure to use, easily the best monitor I've ever had for coding/debugging and powerpoint engineering. I hope the price on this comes down to ~$500 or so - I would totally buy one for that. The widescreen aspect ratio is awesome for coding - I can bring up three full 80-char-wide emacs windows plus a couple 80x24 xterms at once if I organize things right...

Of course it also helps that our dev machines have 1x2405 + 1x1905 next to each other. The 1905 in portrait makes a great outlook/word monitor, for multitasking purposes.

:-D




Dell FPW2007 2407
By HueyD on 3/21/06, Rating: 0
Y-A-W-N
By Beenthere on 3/21/06, Rating: -1
"We basically took a look at this situation and said, this is bullshit." -- Newegg Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng's take on patent troll Soverain

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