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8" tablet features an Intel Atom Z3735G processor

We’ve already seen a $100 tablet from Hewlett-Packard running the Android operating system (actually, we briefly saw it priced at $85 after coupon before it went out of stock), but where are all the cheap Windows-based tablets?
 
Microsoft opened the door when it announced Windows 8.1 with Bing. This particular variant of Windows 8.1 requires that Bing be set as the default search engine in Internet Explorer from the factory. In return, OEMs get extremely favorable pricing to produce low-cost devices.


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Chinese OEM Emdoor is taking Microsoft up on that offer with the Em-i8080 tablet at Computex. According to Mobile Geeks, the 8” (1280x800) tablet packs in a 1.33GHz Intel Atom Z3735G processor, 1GB of RAM, 16GB of internal storage, and a microSD slot for expanded storage. Other features include a microUSB and mini HDMI connectivity, and an 18.5 watt-hour battery.


[Image Source: Mobile Geeks]
 
More importantly, the 0.78-pound tablet is said to have a retail price of $100. This is an incredibly intriguing price point, as the cheapest Windows 8.1 with Bing device that we’ve seen so far has been the $199 8-inch Encore 2 from Toshiba.
 
It remains to be seen if we’ll actually see this Emdoor tablet hit the market, but this does at least give us a glimpse of what to expect when Windows 8.1 tablets hit the “impulse buy” level.

Source: Mobile Geeks



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There goes the negiborhood....
By CaedenV on 6/4/2014 11:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
So I am involved with a small local nonprofit refurbisher that takes old desktop and laptop systems, and updates them a bit to properly run Win7 and Office for local students, seniors, low income families, and the like. For $75 we have been offering a basic desktop system with Win7 on it. Nothing fancy, but good enough to do basic web browsing and other simple stuff like job hunting, email, healthcare.gov, etc.
But this... this is something that we simply are not going to be able to compete with. Sure it does not have the expansion capabilities of a full desktop, but you can still hook up a screen, keys, mouse, and SD card for storage and have a decent low-end machine... and it will be new, snappy (or at least faster than our systems), have some amount of warranty on it, and is portable. All for $100, which is amazing.
I suppose we knew the day was coming, but for the life of me I thought it was still another 2-3 years out and cell phones would kill us, not ultra cheap windows based tablets. Running on an Intel chip no less! But then again I suppose it is always better to go out because the need is gone rather than going out because you are doing something wrong.




RE: There goes the negiborhood....
By Motoman on 6/4/2014 11:10:46 AM , Rating: 3
The conundrum I see is what to do with old-but-perfectly-usable computers period.

At the moment...especially with ones that are too old to run anything newer than Windows XP, because of the lack of drivers.

There's untold numbers of perfectly good computers out there right now that realistically can't be used anymore because of XP...so do we just throw away perfectly usable computers? They have no resale value - especially granted the XP limitation. There's no point in "saving them for later" - because the hardware vendors aren't going to start making new drivers for old devices.

And for the record, an old Athlon XP with a gig or two of RAM will run Windows 7 just fine...granted that you can find appropriate drivers for it. For the purposes of a basic home user who does little more than Facebook and Gmail, at any rate.

One could argue that you start making an army of Linux machines with them...but that doesn't help much because no one wants a Linux box in the first place.


RE: There goes the negiborhood....
By SAN-Man on 6/4/2014 3:34:09 PM , Rating: 4
My Athlon XP 3200+ with 3GB of DDR400 and an ATi Radeon X1650 Pro 512MB runs Windows 7 just fine, plays 1080p video, does what I need it to. I threw in a $50 SSD (with rebate) running on a free (with rebate) PCI SATA controller.

I have this PC setup in my garage with a wirelss BT keyboard and mouse using a USB BT adapter. It drives two 22" 1080p displays from Acer (super cheap junk but hey it's in the garage).

I use this machine out in the garage all the time when I am working. Watch the news, Netflix, lookup stuff, YouTube how-to stuff for yard work, wrenching on the cars/house/boat etc. My son watches cartoons on it when I am grilling in the driveway.

Old hardware doesn't mean obsolete. This motherboard and CPU are now 10 years old, I bought them in 2004.


By StevoLincolnite on 6/4/2014 6:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
I actually scored a similar system for free, downgraded the ram to 512Mb, then dropped in a pair of Voodoo 2's and a Radeon 9200 and it runs Windows 98 like a dream, mainly use it for retro gaming.
Anything newer and I probably wouldn't have been able to get motherboard/chipset drivers for the OS.


RE: There goes the negiborhood....
By Mint on 6/4/2014 11:35:06 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing. If they make a $20 dock for this thing integrating more USB ports (via a hub) and mini-HDMI to full-size, then what's the point in buying a cheap desktop? Yet another reason for Win8's convergence.

For the price of Windows 8.1 in retail, you can get a free desktop and tablet. Wow.


By Shadowmaster625 on 6/5/2014 8:50:39 AM , Rating: 3
Dont start worrying yet. That atom chip has a single thread passmark score of under 400. It is a total dog and anyone who uses it is going to want to tear their hair out. For comparison, an old core 2 duo E7400, found in many old refurbs, has a single thread score nearly 3 times as high as that atom chip. So with this $100 tablet we're talking about the equivalent performance of a 1.0 GHz Core 2 duo . It is just too much frustration to deal with especially when combined with the fact that windows 8.1 is extremely bug laden and extremely frustrating to use on a tablet because of its bugs and bloat.


Emdoor?
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 10:48:39 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't heard of them but damn, $100 is cheap for a tablet with that spec... My bet is its alot like Coby. Falls apart after a few months usage, but we will have to see.




RE: Emdoor?
By synapse46 on 6/4/2014 10:56:55 AM , Rating: 2
Would be handy for programming devices that require windows.


RE: Emdoor?
By atechfan on 6/4/2014 1:33:54 PM , Rating: 3
I haven't had a Coby anything that didn't just stop functioning after a couple months. I expect these tablets will be the same.


RE: Emdoor?
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 1:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
"I haven't had a Coby anything that didn't just stop functioning after a couple months"

Exactly... Even something as simple as a DVD player. I had 2 Coby DVD players that played a total of about 2-3 movies each and both died. One wouldn't open it's tray and the other stopped reading disks.

That isnt really fair to condemn the company above for, but there are a ton of these cheap Chinese knockoff vendors that put out dirt cheap tech at super low prices. They have high fail rates. Not that every single thing will fail, you may get lucky, but you may also get very unlucky.


RE: Emdoor?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/6/2014 8:13:02 AM , Rating: 3
I haven't owned a Coby anything because it's common knowledge they are garbage.

Which begs the question, why are you buying their stuff? Especially when it breaks after a couple of months?


What does this have to do with 8.1 with Bing?
By Belegost on 6/4/2014 4:38:19 PM , Rating: 4
So back at BUILD MS announced that Windows for tablets and smartphones with screens less than 9" would get Windows for free - starting as of that time.

So I don't think this is a result of Windows with Bing, just Windows on small devices being free - and likely some good deals on the hardware.




By Krinosy on 6/5/2014 1:04:33 AM , Rating: 2
Very true, I thought Windows with Bing was for larger laptops and desktops.


By Mitch101 on 6/5/2014 1:05:17 AM , Rating: 2
This could be interesting.

We haven't seen anything compete with Android on the low end until now especially full Windows. Ive often wondered how much of Androids user base is the low end products sold out of places like Walmart because Im sure not everyone is picking up $300-$400.00 tablets.

If this does do well we could see manufacturers like HP, Foxconn, and Asus try their hand at the low end Full Windows Market.

Don't count out Intel either they are a manufacturing powerhouse I am sure they want to take some steam out of ARM's momentum if they can.


Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 10:57:20 AM , Rating: 2
"You've been able to get 10" Android tablets, with quad-core processors and all the bells and whistles, for around $100 for a long time."

Where? Used and scratched on Ebay?


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 11:12:23 AM , Rating: 3
OK, just did that... Ouch, that is like dredging through the bargain bin at the last hour of an all summer long flea market. Worse than Coby Electronics.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 11:59:31 AM , Rating: 2
"wildly-uneducated-and-pointlessly-biased opinion"

Dood, chill out I was just pointing out they are extremely low res low spec'd low quality devices.

" Doesn't make much difference what the name on the box is."

It does when you know most of these bargain bin Chinese manufacturers put almost zero into quality. These things don't generally last. Coby is a perfect example of that. The stuff just falls apart. There is a reason its cheap. Every component in them are cheap. Cheap capacitors, cheap IC's cheap screen. These are the "Yugo's" of the tablet world. You can enjoy it all you want, but don't call me uneducated on the matter. I have spent years in supply chain management on mobile devices dealing with cheap Chinese manufactures as well as higher end ones. I know how they operate and I know their margins. I honestly didnt know they were that cheap on Amazon because I don't spend my time shopping for cheap crap.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 12:47:02 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely ridiculous. Waht is wrong with you lately? Anger pills not working or what? What exactly did I say that was false?

You are asserting that thse sub $100 tablets are every bit as good as a $500 tabet. No, sorry, they are not. Nor even close.

A fast look at specs tell us:
- Much slower CPU and GPU
- Much lower screen resolution
- Less RAM
- Old versions of OS with no upgrade

That doesn't even begin to touch the subject of cheap components longevity.

I don't even know what you are all upset and insulting about. Because we differ on our views of quality? OK man, enjoy that.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 1:51:28 PM , Rating: 3
You said all of these things below - and I am quoting you.

"I'll get exactly as much utility from my no-name tablet as you get from your iPad."

Sorry, your "utility" may be basic, but your inference that others do what you do is insane. These tablets are not just low end , they are extremely low end. The one in the article above is WAY the hell better than the Amazon bargain bin and even it is poopy.

"You've been able to get 10" Android tablets, with quad-core processors and all the bells and whistles, for around $100 for a long time."

Absolutely not true. One bell and no whistles is not "all the bells and whistles". Your low spec'd devices dont compare. - Not that they are expected to, but you seem to be angry that we think the bargain bin units arent in the same ballpark and you are calling people liars. Not the other way around here.

"We've got some way-unheard of brand of 10.1" tablet we bought at least a couple years ago with a quadcore that I splurged a little on for the novelty of having even more bells and whistles than I'd ever seen - including even a little pop-out jack that accepts a real ethernet cable, if you find yourself someplace without wifi. I spent about $125 on it at least a couple years ago"

You keep going on about this unit, but haven't mentioned what it is. Tell me , what is the make and model of this Quad core tablet with all the bells and whistles and even a network jack that you got a couple years ago for about $100. Please enlighten me.


RE: Big deal
By GulWestfale on 6/4/2014 2:30:59 PM , Rating: 3
it's an etch-a-sketch that has an ethernet port duct taped to its back. a 10" ecth-a-sketch.


RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 2:50:35 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... Oh, NOW I get it.


RE: Big deal
RE: Big deal
By inighthawki on 6/4/2014 5:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, etch-a-sketch only has two knobs, and thus only a dual core. Get your facts straight.


RE: Big deal
By inighthawki on 6/4/2014 11:21:40 AM , Rating: 3
Uhm, no. This is just a complete lie. I didn't believe this so much I went to Amazon just to check. There's nothing even close to a "10 inch quad core with all the bells and whistles" even remotely close to $100. Let alone available "a few years ago."

There are some great deals on Android tablets, but this is not one of them...


RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 11:28:49 AM , Rating: 3
I saw a few 9-10 inch with 1024x600 screens with dual core for under $100, but OMG how awful they would look.

Anyhow, the one above it at least 1280x800 and runs Windows x86. That has to be the cheapest we have seen at that spec.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By xti on 6/4/2014 11:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
people actually buy those? If my dog needs a tablet, guess I know where to get one.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 12:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
Arent you the guy who rages against high res and still thins that 800x480 scresn and more than plenty? No wonder these 1024x600 10 inch screens look good to you.

Not everyone wants bargain bin crap like these. It's perfectly fine that people buy them, but you don't need to insult people that dont FFS.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 1:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
"And there's exactly what I expected to see from you."

Yes, I am sorry, my eyes work properly and I can see the difference from 800x480 and 1920x1080 on a 5 inch screen in a huge and obvious way. What a nut.


RE: Big deal
By GulWestfale on 6/4/2014 2:38:03 PM , Rating: 2
oh lord i just got home from work and i found this thread :)
motoman is raging so hard about trying to convince people that some no-name crapware is just as good as a nexus or a galaxy tablet (maybe it is if you're blind and can't see the crappy viewing angles, 1980's style screen resolution, or have an eternity to wait for responses from the touch screen). and it's not his ignorance or the fact that his own link seems to show only dual-core crapware rather than the quad-cores "with all teh bells and whistles" that he promised, or teh fact that 400 bucks to him is a rent payment (which would explain why he needs an ethernet port, there be no wifi in da ghetto).

it's teh sheer RAGE that has me lolling like i haven't lolled since... well since the last time i saw a rage fest on here (or since the last time tony swash posted anything).

thank you, kind sir, and your habit of buying ultra-crappy tablets. keep enjoying youtube at toaster-like resolutions, and keep telling us how great it is. :)


RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 2:44:35 PM , Rating: 2
"motoman is raging so hard about trying to convince people that some no-name crapware is just as good as a nexus or a galaxy tablet (maybe it is if you're blind and can't see the crappy viewing angles, 1980's style screen resolution"

LOL, yes 640x480 FTW!

"it's teh sheer RAGE that has me lolling like i haven't lolled since..."

Exactly... WTF? I mean, its fine if you don't use it that heavily and/or don't mind the lag or dont notice the visual quality of the screen, or just don't care about those things... There is nothing wrong with a low end tablet, phone, computer whatever, but the RAGE? Where in the hell does that come from?


RE: Big deal
By GulWestfale on 6/4/2014 2:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
maybe he's raging so hard because he's still waiting for youtube to load, and when it does, he can't see anything


RE: Big deal
By Reclaimer77 on 6/4/2014 3:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
I think people mistake my passion and zest for discussion as rage or whatever, but I don't know, Motoman seems genuinely angry and he seems to get more angry every day lol.

As far as this debate, gonna have to pull a Switzerland and go neutral here lol. Have fun, I'm rooting for ya! :P


RE: Big deal
By atechfan on 6/4/2014 1:29:38 PM , Rating: 2
If you think a 0.3 megapixel (not 3, but 0.3) is "all the bells and whistles", all the power to you. If I am going to use a camera on a tablet, I expect it to take higher quality pictures than a $20 Fisher Price kids camera.

Similarly, a no-name A7 based arm chip will NOT give you the same user experience as a Snapdragon of any variety. Same with 512 NB Ram or 8 GB storage. There is no way at all a cheap Android tablet gives the same experience as an expensive one, Android or otherwise. Even if all you do is web browse, the experience will be marred by slow loading times.

After reading the first model on the list, I didn't bother going further.


RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 12:20:30 PM , Rating: 2
"If my dog needs a tablet, guess I know where to get one."

Why, are you mad at your dog? ;)


RE: Big deal
By inighthawki on 6/4/2014 12:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
Oh look, you filtered to a giant list of DUAL CORE tablets that by all means do not have "all the bells and whistles." The one quad core on there is some generic CPU brand I've never even heard of with a 1024x600 display. Not to mention it was released about 3 weeks ago.

So yes, I'm calling you a liar.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: Big deal
By inighthawki on 6/4/2014 1:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're absolutely insane. Go filter that search down to Quad core as well and what do you get? 3 that are <= $120, and all released relatively recently. None of which have anything close to "all the bells and whistles." And since you want to play the "I don't think you know that that means" card, I'll play along:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bells+and+whis...

So how about instead of just expecting me to find these magical devices, show me a 10" quad core tablet with "all the bells and whistles" for "around $100" at the time of launch "a few years ago." Because I don't think you'll find one.


RE: Big deal
By GulWestfale on 6/4/2014 2:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
WTF BBQ YOU CAN TOTALLY BUY A CHINESE TABLET WITH OCTACORE, 2 GB RAM, FINGERPRINT SENSOR AND A 20MP CAMERA FOR LIKE 75 BUCKS AND YOU COULD 5 YEARS AGO YOU JUST WEREN'T LOOKING.
also, eth screen res is 800x600 and you can't access google play, but who needs that anyway, right? you are all liars, LIARS I SAY!

omg i literally can't stop laughing at this tard


RE: Big deal
By Spuke on 6/4/2014 6:49:18 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO @ the pile on!!!!


RE: Big deal
By Reclaimer77 on 6/4/2014 6:58:04 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Big deal
By Da W on 6/4/2014 1:33:33 PM , Rating: 2
And what can you do with a 10" android tablet? Wipe your ass? Not even.


RE: Big deal
By thesaxophonist on 6/4/2014 9:37:52 PM , Rating: 1
Show me the link.


RE: Big deal
By CaedenV on 6/4/2014 11:06:51 AM , Rating: 2
This is x86 Windows 8... no need to rely on the app store. You have a whole back catalogue of old x86 windows programs that will run on this thing. Besides, outside of games and a very few select apps, most apps are just bad websites. If you have a tablet it is often simpler just to hit the website and be done with whatever you are doing.


RE: Big deal
By Motoman on 6/4/2014 11:11:23 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
(granted that sure, maybe you can run all your Windows software on said tablet, but are they all optimized for touch?)


RE: Big deal
By retrospooty on 6/4/2014 5:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
I find it extremely hard to beleive that someone with your flare for underwhelming mobile hardware, subpar screens, and low end CPU/RAM would give a crap if the particular app was "optimized for touch" or not. Your finger still works like a mouse whether optimized or not... It reminds me of putting a set of $3000 rims on a 1998 Hyundai.


RE: Big deal
By Flunk on 6/4/2014 12:07:06 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't mind picking one of these up to take out the PCB and mod the internals into a toaster or something. It would make a servicable XBMC machine, it comes with HDMI and a USB port so that's all I really need. Hopefully I can get it to boot without the touchscreen attached.


RE: Big deal
By tayb on 6/4/2014 1:30:24 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft Office makes the Windows tablet actually useful. I enjoy my Android tablet but it's not capable of being anything more than a toy. I could do actual work on a Windows tablet.

The app library argument is comical. If the tablet is running Windows the app store is exponentially larger than the Play store. Who cares if they aren't touch optimized? Plug in a freaking mouse for the non-optimized applications. It's Windows.


RE: Big deal
By name99 on 6/4/2014 4:35:22 PM , Rating: 1
They're fungible if all you care about is a TV watching device.

If you have different requirements (eg you want a screen that's easy to read, you want a long lasting battery, you want a responsive touchscreen, etc --- basically stuff that isn't captured by the usual spec lists on the box) then they're not as similar as you claim.

Of course this is nothing new --- one could say the same about, for example, laptops.

This gets to a point I've been complaining about for a while. To believe that there is ONE tablet market is to confuse yourself. There is a low-end tablet market which is basically for portable TV screens and simple games. There is also a high-end tablet market where things like battery life and performance matter, and where people are prepared to pay a lot more to get these.

This distinction is important if you care about the business side of things because Apple, Qualcomm, apparently Xiaomi, just don't care about the race-to-the-bottom low-end, just like Harley Davidson doesn't worry itself with bike sales.
(Where things DO get sticky is if you're a Nokia or a Samsung and appear unable to decide whether your brand is 'we sell expensive stuff that works well' or 'we sell cheap stuff that works, sorta' ".


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