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A Chinese worker demonstrates how he will fire a barrage against errant clouds during the Olympics in August.   (Source: Reuters)
China will bring out the BFGs to try to make sure weather doesn't rain on its Olympics

China may have to worry about clouds of smog and black soot due to its lax environmental policies and large scale adoption of inefficient partial-combustion obsolete technologies, but one thing it won't have to worry about at the 2008 Beijing Olympics this August is rain – that is if everything goes according to plan.

China is leveraging its significant military resources to wage a war against Mother Nature.  China plans to deploy 20 anti-aircraft (AA) guns around the city, firing a steady barrage of special payloads containing silver iodide and dry ice into cloud cover, whenever it should appear.  The Chinese hope that this novel strategy will help make the Olympics rain free and perhaps give it a chance to show off its military prowess.

The country is so confident in its rain fighting powers that the 91,000-seat Olympic stadium, nicknamed the "Bird's Nest," has no roof.  The efforts are being led by the city's Weather Modification Office, a sub-branch of the China Meteorological Administration.  The AA/rocket launcher assault is only one phase of a three-pronged assault the Office plans to deploy against inconvenient weather.

The first phase is detection.  China will use satellites, planes, and radar to track incoming weather.  It will also leverage the power of an IBM p575 supercomputer, which the city purchased last year.  The computer is capable of doing a modest 9.8 trillion floating point operations per second and has enough power to accurately model by the kilometer hourly reports for the entire 44,000 square kilometer (17,000 square mile) Beijing area.

Upon detection, the second phase will commence, starting with a barrage from 20 ground-based sites encircling the stadium.  Two aircraft will also be scrambled to spray dry ice and silver iodide into the clouds in an attempt to stop them from reaching the stadium.

If rain manages to break through these barriers, China will deploy its weapon of last resort:  liquid nitrogen.  Aircraft will pummel the clouds with liquid nitrogen.  This, according to officials, will increase the number of droplets in the cloud, but reduce their size, making them less likely to fall.  Officials hope this last ditch effort might hold off the clouds long enough for them to pass safely over the stadium before releasing rain.

There is a 50 percent chance of precipitation during any day that month, according to past trends.  The games will occur during Northeast Asia's rainy season.  Zhang Qian, head of Beijing's Weather Modification Office, warns that past results for weather modification during heavy rain haven't always been successful.  However, he optimistically mentions, "the results with light rain have been satisfactory."

The Chinese government is working very hard to try to make the games a demonstration in the countries newfound power and prosperity.  The government spent $40B USD bringing 120,000 migrant workers (at $130 per month) into Beijing for the massive construction projects planned, starting in 2001. In all, 1.5 million people will be displaced by the new construction projects. 

China, with a population of 1.32 billion, has a penchant for excess; featuring the world's largest dam, the world's highest railroad, and in 2009, the world's largest Ferris wheel.  China's weather modification program will also be the largest in the world, when fully deployed.  It will feature over 1,500 weather modification professionals who will coordinate 30 aircraft and their crews, and a ground force of 37,000 part-time workers, mostly peasant farmers.



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I need an AA gun too
By bfellow on 3/27/2008 11:57:22 AM , Rating: 5
What an awesome idea.

When I need a nice sunny day for outdoor basketball or game of baseball, then I'll fire my anti-aircraft gun at the rain clouds to make them go away!

Sandstorms in Beijing? Pshhh. Just nuke those sand dunes.




RE: I need an AA gun too
By Gnoad on 3/27/2008 12:03:11 PM , Rating: 5
Seems to be a little "overkill" to me. What exactly was wrong with a roof?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Micronite on 3/27/2008 12:11:31 PM , Rating: 5
This clearly isn't just about economics of keeping spectators dry. Though not inexpensive, I think a roof would cost much less than deploying and firing all of this stuff.
China just likes to flex its muscles now and then. Yes, China, you have big muscles.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By lagomorpha on 3/27/2008 1:20:13 PM , Rating: 5
Does anyone else get the impression that China always feels like it has to compensate for some kind of inadequacy?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By FingerMeElmo87 on 3/27/2008 1:33:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Does anyone else get the impression that China always feels like it has to compensate for some kind of inadequacy?


and we all know what that "inadequacy" is


RE: I need an AA gun too
By bplewis24 on 3/27/2008 1:49:43 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
President Hirohito: That is so sturange. [takes Lambtor from Red] I do not a-know how this could happen. But urest assured, I will make sure [glares sideways at Mr. Ose] it does not happong again!
Red: Well, now, come on, I don't think that that quite satisfies my-
President Hirohito: You are American?
Red: Yes.
President Hirohito: [begins to gesture] Ogh! You must have very big pee-anis!
Red: Excuse me? I was just asking you what you're up to with these toys!
President Hirohito: Nothing. We are very simple people. With very small penis. Mr. Ose penis is …especially small.
Mr. Ose: [fakes a sob] Uh, smuh, so small.
President Hirohito: We cannot achieve much with so small penis. But you! Americans. Wow! Penis so big! SOOO big penis!
Red: [flattered] Well uh, he-I guess it is a pretty good size.
Mr. Ose: Minata, kite kite! ["Everone, come come!" A group of Japanese women move in, chattering] This-a man has veh-ry big penis! [the women applaud, Red grins big]
Woman 1: Take takeru o da ne? ["It's rather large, isn't it?"]
Woman 2: Hai. ["Yes."]
Mr. Ose: Uh, hoh, what an-whoa immense penis-uh!
Red: Well, it certainly was nice meeting you folk, I just wanted to bring that little malfunction to your attention. Bye-bye now.
President Hirohito: Good-bye. Thank you for stopping by, with your gargantuan penis. [Red walks out humming happily.


Don't get caught up in the details ;)

Brandon


RE: I need an AA gun too
By bplewis24 on 3/27/2008 1:51:10 PM , Rating: 3
RE: I need an AA gun too
By TropicalJ on 3/27/2008 6:14:40 PM , Rating: 1
There's a reason why some caucasian males like to share their wives with african american males.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By UKnowWhat on 3/28/2008 11:50:21 AM , Rating: 1
That's because they think mostly different than us. They mistake certain lower part of their bodies as their brain. And that brain is extremely small if it ever happens to exist.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By theapparition on 3/28/2008 8:33:17 AM , Rating: 4
Did anyone else look at that pic and think that they Chinese army is pretty fat and out of shape?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Suomynona on 3/27/2008 1:52:19 PM , Rating: 5
To be fair, the US has a pretty strong history of compensation too. See: the Hoover Dam, Grand Coulee Dam, World Trade Center, Sears Tower, etc.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Polynikes on 3/27/2008 5:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
At least those serve a purpose. Who cares if it rains a bit?

Besides, those are not a measure of military "muscle."


RE: I need an AA gun too
By wayout41 on 3/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: I need an AA gun too
By RjBass on 3/27/2008 7:16:18 PM , Rating: 3
Lol, are you serious?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended a global war and as a result of their use we have never seen another nuclear weapon ever used again by any country.

We did shoot down a satellite, a satellite that was in a decaying orbit and could have possibly harmed people with it's toxic fuels. We shot it down in a low orbit that meant most of it burnt up in the atmosphere. While the Chinese shot down a high orbit satellite that was still fully functional. In the process they created who knows how much dangerous space junk. The U.S. shoot down served a purpose while the Chinese shoot down was to prove something.

Ohhh and I guess a global missile defense shield to protect your ass when somebody decides to launch a missile at you isn't good enough hunh? Fine, I guess we should just make it the US Missile Defense Shield, screw the rest of you.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By MadMaster on 3/27/2008 7:50:56 PM , Rating: 1
I have to ask a simple question...

What is the reason for spending 5x any other country on 'defense' spending? I mean seriously, who is dumb enough to invade the USA?

To me, this is the ultimate overcompensation! Us Americans have noooooo room to talk.

Btw, China really is poised to go head to head with the USA in the coming decades. They have a very good reason to show off their military...


RE: I need an AA gun too
By RjBass on 3/27/2008 8:08:55 PM , Rating: 4
Well the obvious answer to the 5x question now is Bush's stupid war in Iraq.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By cmdrdredd on 3/28/2008 12:01:20 AM , Rating: 1
Estimates put China's per capita military spending way, way above the US...


RE: I need an AA gun too
By MadMaster on 3/28/2008 2:54:03 AM , Rating: 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...

And according to their sources (they seem good...)

China spend 59 billion a year. But analysts think it's about 3 times that. Close to 150 - 200 billion.

The US spends 583 billion. We're still ahead of China by a healthy margin...


RE: I need an AA gun too
By theapparition on 3/28/2008 8:38:26 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
What is the reason for spending 5x any other country on 'defense' spending? I mean seriously, who is dumb enough to invade the USA?

quote:
Btw, China really is poised to go head to head with the USA in the coming decades. They have a very good reason to show off their military...

You answered your own question, thanks for playing.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Tsuwamono on 3/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: I need an AA gun too
By RjBass on 3/27/2008 8:54:30 PM , Rating: 2
It wasn't after the war. The temporary cease fire was only on the side of the US so that we could prepare for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. The Japanese were not firing at us because they had nothing left and were doing nothing but preparing for the invasion of their mainland. At that point the Japanese had no intention of surrendering.

With the invasion looming, and the thought of thousands of US soldiers lives being lost, and the thought of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of civilian lives being lost, the bombs were dropped.

The end result was catastrophic, a nightmare, a result that hopefully will never ever be repeated in history. But it ended the war, and it woke up the world to the horrific creation that was and still is nuclear weapons.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By MadMaster on 3/27/2008 9:07:18 PM , Rating: 2
Before we dropped the nukes, we were doing b-29 firebombing missions...wasn't exactly a cease fire...

We knew that if we invaded, it would have cost a heck of a lot. Also, fascism became so prevalent that just about every Japanese person was willing to fight to the death.

In fact, the Japanese people were surprised the emperor decided to surrender. There was almost a coup against the emperor because of his surrender decision...


RE: I need an AA gun too
By cmdrdredd on 3/28/2008 12:04:20 AM , Rating: 2
However, the atomic bomb drops in Japan killed less people than the firebombing of the Japanese cities (including Tokyo) which burned down hundreds of wood structures.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By pxavierperez on 3/28/2008 8:26:22 AM , Rating: 2
Also, to my understanding, Russia offered to take care half of Japan. Without the A-Bomb we would have a north and south Japan separated by a wall.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By FITCamaro on 3/28/2008 10:04:25 AM , Rating: 2
Uh...no.

Those bombs being dropped saved millions more lives than they cost. If we had invaded the mainland, we would have basically had to commit genocide to end the war. The Japanese were willing to fight to the death.

Casualty estimates for an invasion of the mainland were in the hundreds of thousands for our troops, hundreds of thousands for their troops, and in the millions for civilian deaths. The initial landing would have made Normandy look like a cake walk.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By FITCamaro on 3/28/2008 9:59:12 AM , Rating: 3
The Hoover and Grand Coulee Dam's which provide power to hundreds of thousands of people are compensating? They were public works projects in the 30s to put people to work so that they'd have both jobs, money, and power.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By mooncancook on 3/27/2008 1:36:35 PM , Rating: 2
Muscles? why the fat gunman?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By inighthawki on 3/27/2008 2:46:45 PM , Rating: 2
you have a good point, however i think one main advantage of this is having a classic sporting event while maintaining the "outdoor" conditions. Who wants to be inside at such an event?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By 4wardtristan on 3/30/2008 2:36:07 AM , Rating: 2
...people competing at the olympics????


RE: I need an AA gun too
By lompocus on 3/27/08, Rating: 0
RE: I need an AA gun too
By BladeVenom on 3/27/2008 12:48:52 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe having a roof was out of harmony according to Feng shui.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By AnnihilatorX on 3/27/2008 1:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
A Bird nest with roof probably would kill its image.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By MightyAA on 3/27/2008 1:03:57 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
What exactly was wrong with a roof?

It got in the way of the AA Guns :P


RE: I need an AA gun too
By rorrim on 3/27/2008 1:55:44 PM , Rating: 1
I once tried to screw in a light bulb with a hammer. Is that overkill?


RE: I need an AA gun too
By 16nm on 3/27/2008 2:00:07 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
What exactly was wrong with a roof?


A roof doesn't explode with lots of fire and noise. Cannons do.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Samus on 3/27/2008 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Pfft, roof? That's so 20th Century.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By snownpaint on 3/31/2008 4:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
Just blast the clouds away.. Unfortunately, the city is so covered with smog, it always looks cloudy. Now if we could only do something with that low hanging sun glare..



RE: I need an AA gun too
By Integral9 on 3/27/2008 3:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is a 50 percent chance of precipitation during any day that month, according to past trends. The games will occur during Northeast Asia's rainy season. Zhang Qian, head of Beijing's Weather Modification Office, warns that past results for weather modification during heavy rain haven't always been successful. However, he optimistically mentions, "the results with light rain have been satisfactory."


I'm going to laugh my ass off when it pours rain on opening day over a barrage of artillery so loud you can't hear the yourself think.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By Shawn5961 on 3/27/2008 5:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
At least I'm not the only one who thought about the possible noise pollution.

I predict a lot of false starts due to artillery fire.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By PWNettle on 3/28/2008 8:07:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure atheletes worldwide are excited about the idea of the chinese military surrounding the stadiums and shooting stuff regularly. Sounds like a really great way to promote peace thru the olympics.


RE: I need an AA gun too
By snownpaint on 3/31/2008 4:10:47 PM , Rating: 2
"That one looks like a teddy bear, mommy" Pointing to the cloud..

BOOM.. no more teddy bear.

China.. destroying the world's youthful imaginations one cloud at a time..


"Weather Engineering"
By DublinGunner on 3/27/2008 12:03:24 PM , Rating: 5
Here's an idea:-

Build a Stadium with a damn roof.

Morons.




RE: "Weather Engineering"
By chick0n on 3/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: "Weather Engineering"
By Grast on 3/27/2008 12:37:28 PM , Rating: 4
I have a better idea. Let not reward a communist regiem with our money.

BOYCOTT the Olympics.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By Major HooHaa on 3/27/2008 12:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
"Bring the Rain!!!.. Oh hang on, don't."
China proves once and for all, the general stupidity of the human race. Hurrahh!
But then again it's a hell of a way for an army to disarm. Just think of peace negotiations of a long-standing conflict. "On a count of 3, we will all fire are weapons at the clouds."
I think it could be the ultimate way of combating the spread of bird flu ;-)
Everyone will be far to interested in watching the pyrotechnic display to worry about watching the Olympics.
Go you craazzzy communists.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By Sundox on 3/27/2008 1:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
China is like Magneto, what doesn't match their ideals must be destroied, even GAYA; or your second child, or monks.... maybe even China.
anyway what salary is that of a $130?????
I don't like China anymore....


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By ADDAvenger on 3/27/2008 12:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
We tried that back in the day with the USSR, all it really accomplished was hacking off the atheletes that had been looking forward and training to it for years


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By 16nm on 3/27/2008 2:02:18 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Let not reward a communist regiem with our money.

BOYCOTT the Olympics.


Yeah, and Chinese imports, too!


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By FITCamaro on 3/28/2008 10:06:16 AM , Rating: 3
Cost is more important than ethics to shareholders and consumers. Sad isn't it.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By nofranchise on 4/4/2008 7:45:28 AM , Rating: 2
I am all for boycotting the olympics in Beijing - but lay off the McCarthyism would ya? It's just so last century.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By FingerMeElmo87 on 3/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: "Weather Engineering"
By SiliconAddict on 3/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: "Weather Engineering"
By eye smite on 3/27/2008 2:15:50 PM , Rating: 3
I have cited on previous articles Chinese history showing a consistently militant behavior, and recently videos of the riots in Tibet and Chinese military killing those people. My posting of those items was not in anyway an attempt to offend anyone, simply a way to show people that this sort of behavior should surprise no one.

This time, I don't care if I offend anyone. The people running China are the biggest retards on the face of the earth. Whatever contempt they earn on this one, they deserve it. Just morons


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By Suomynona on 3/27/2008 5:00:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The people running China are the biggest retards on the face of the earth.


They're not stupid, they're just ruthless assholes. They're actually very smart. They've managed to maintain control of the largest nation on earth for 60 years without facing any serious challenges to their power. The average Chinese person is apparently pretty happy with themselves, at least as long as their economy keeps growing. The only people that seem to be actively protesting the government are the minorities that are being oppressed. The people in charge seem to have done a pretty good job of hammering into people's heads the idea that they can just leave government to the elite, and not have to worry about it.

I think the true test of their intelligence will be when the Chinese economy starts to waver. Everyone's happy now because they're comfortable, but a big economic downturn could really throw a wrench into all that. But anyway, you don't have to be retarded to be power-hungry and amoral. Usually the opposite is true.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By eye smite on 3/27/2008 8:29:43 PM , Rating: 3
I have to disagree with you, so lets define a couple of things. Intelligence and being smart are 2 different things. You can be as intelligent as you want and still make very stupid decisions....look at AOL. How would you know if the average chinese person is happy with themselves, they're probably just like Americans living in their own little world not messing with anyone and don't want to be messed with. I'd say you're right though. The constant killing of protestors over the last 60 years keeps them to a minimum. And yes, if you call all of Tibet a minority, they are being oppressed. Now I won't presume to apply American standards to the way the world works over there, but this is a constant repeat of China just killing people in Tibet because they want their leader back and the Chinese out. The reason I call them retards is because they have the hubirous to try and control the weather whilst being the biggest polluters industrially speaking on the face of the earth. That being said, you tell me how that's smart?


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By Ringold on 3/28/2008 9:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The constant killing of protestors over the last 60 years keeps them to a minimum.


Except for, you know, the 60,000 protests in 2006 alone. Thats just the number the government admits; who knows how much higher the real one is. Unfortunately I don't have the number but for context it'd be interesting to see how many take place in the US during.. more quiet periods (ie, how many occured total across the US in 1999).

Difference with Tibet and your average protest complaining about the air or price controls (apparently, the people are capitalist enough to strongly dislike price controls -- unlike us they know it leads to shortages) is that those people in Tibet just didn't want to disperse.

I think the ruling class over there understands its sitting atop a powder keg, and they'll constantly improve things to keep themselves im power, but slowly. Prosperity solves many problems for them, and as long as the capitalism flows, so shall the prosperity.

Of course business cycles are inevitable; depressions are typically where communism/socialism grabs the imagination of the ignorant masses and becomes political reality. How does a 'communist' nation have a communist revolution? :P

Hopefully we never find out, as I imagine it wouldn't be pretty.


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By nofranchise on 4/4/2008 7:50:24 AM , Rating: 1
Sorry - the biggest retards in the world are the guys in the White House.

Chinas cabinet are all - except one if I remember correctly - engineers. They might not be empathic or nice, but they are not retards.

Idea: Go visit China before spewing nonsense.

Statement: China has serious problems that need to be adressed. Boycotting the Olympics would send a signal but risks irritating a sleeping giant (which in all likelyhood produces 80% of all the crap surrounding you right now.)


RE: "Weather Engineering"
By UsernameX on 3/27/2008 4:04:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Build a Stadium with a damn roof.


Here's another idea - If you don't want a roof, build a stadium with a roof that can open and close! *gasp*


Hello.. Gravity?
By HyperTension on 3/27/2008 12:08:24 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm Is China forgetful of a thing called "gravity". What goes up must come down. Where are these shells going to "Land"?

:::Chuckles::: As the Olympic Park gets bombarded by 40mm AA Shells.




RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/27/2008 12:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
I get the funny feeling someone thought of that.

China's been doing this for years. Japan launched a lawsuit against China actually for doing it, since it disrupts the weather over Japan as a result.


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By P4blo on 3/27/2008 1:57:39 PM , Rating: 5
Chinese are just bonkers. You read this thing about honey bees around the world suffering and dying out because of pesticides? Well apparently it's worst guess where? Yup China, because they have naff-all regulation and stick the most effective yet toxic shit on their crops. Bees gather nectar, bees eat nectar, bees die.

Well the bees have basically been WIPED OUT in China and they now have no way to insect pollinate their crops. But this is China right, noooooo problem! We just get an army of several thousand Chinese worker 'drones' to MANUALLY hand pollinate every - single - plant !

Now perhaps you know what you're dealing with here. Authorities that don’t care how it's done, they just want it done. They will destroy whatever gets in their way, rain clouds included.


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By P4blo on 3/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By elessar1 on 3/27/2008 4:37:27 PM , Rating: 2
Quoting Eddie:

"It's evolution baby!!!..."


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By P4blo on 3/28/2008 6:06:02 AM , Rating: 1
Lol, I love the rating system on DT :)


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By Darkskypoet on 3/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By Darkskypoet on 3/28/2008 3:44:39 AM , Rating: 2
Crap, myne replied to the wrong comment, even. Busy night.


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By Fireshade on 3/31/08, Rating: 0
RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By seekerofknowledge on 4/2/2008 11:33:59 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The bee's suck... So did some of our mistakes. Our chemicals mess with us too, we stop using them, because we can afford the alternative, and really only because eventually enough lawsuits are filed that it becomes more expensive for the private firm to use them, then to adapt an alternative


There’s one thing you’re leaving out: The First Amendment; along with freedom in general. People in China don’t have it. So there will never be any lawsuits on behalf of “labor laws, human rights, slaves, piss poor wage earners”, much less the environment. That said, I wouldn’t be defending China’s industrial revolution, or at least comparing it to that of the West.

quote:
Shareholders then, and now don't often vote with their environmental convictions. They tend to want to maximize ROI.


The purpose of any public company is maximization of shareholder wealth; don’t ever think that its purpose is anything other. While some may hold the belief that a few public companies have other, nobler causes that drive their desire to compete, it is nothing more than a marketing and public relations fallacy. Companies from all industries use marketing and public relations to build positive public images. In the end, companies from BP to Whole Foods Markets utilize the strategies necessary to maximize their shareholders wealth.


RE: Hello.. Gravity?
By DASQ on 3/27/2008 1:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
Well, they're probably using altitude detonation, so not much will be falling anywhere.


Does anyone see a problem?
By Proteusza on 3/27/2008 12:22:26 PM , Rating: 4
With flying aircraft above a site in which more than a thousand anti aircraft guns might suddenly open fire?




RE: Does anyone see a problem?
By 325hhee on 3/27/2008 12:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
There's a restriction in aviation called a "No Fly Zone" That means absolutely no aircraft, with the exception of military, or granted permitted aircrafts, would be allow to fly by, or hover in that zone. Failure to do so may lead to the offending flier to be shot down without provocation.

Why do you think the military is very quick to scramble and shoot down anything if it goes near the White House. It's a restricted area and that helicopter or plane would be shot down. So, no there's no problems, I'm sure the Govt would tell the FAA, or whatever agency where the cut offs are in the area, and chances it will be out of range of the AAs.


RE: Does anyone see a problem?
By JustTom on 3/27/2008 1:57:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why do you think the military is very quick to scramble and shoot down anything if it goes near the White House.


The military might be quick to scramble but they are hardly quick to shoot down. Dozens of planes have intruded on White House airspace and none has been shot down.


By otispunkmeyer on 3/27/2008 3:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
well i applaud there restraint... its a tricky situation, but the white house is still here and those dozens of planes and their occupants are still alive today instead of being dead because of small mistake or navigation error.

its better that way im sure, than to just shoot down everything without question the minute it sets foot in white house airspace.


RE: Does anyone see a problem?
By TimTheEnchanter25 on 3/27/2008 1:56:53 PM , Rating: 2
What about the goodyear blimp?


By Captain Orgazmo on 3/28/2008 12:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
Forget the blimp, what happens when they release the doves... (do they still do that at the olympics?)


By mendocinosummit on 3/27/2008 6:58:23 PM , Rating: 2
I hope nobody is racing when they go off.


I like this idea
By 325hhee on 3/27/2008 12:10:06 PM , Rating: 3
I rather be in an outdoor stadium with sunlight and air instead of a superdome with lights and a/c. Kudos for thinking outside the box.




RE: I like this idea
By lotharamious on 3/27/2008 12:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I rather be in an outdoor stadium with sunlight and air instead of a superdome with lights...

As much as I don't agree with some of the decisions the Chinese have made in the past, I have to agree that being outside is my preference.


RE: I like this idea
By Micronite on 3/27/2008 12:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'd rather be watching things comfortably in my living room than choking to death in a nice, sunlit, fresh-air, smog-infested stadium.


RE: I like this idea
By theapparition on 3/28/2008 8:45:41 AM , Rating: 2
Retractable roof???


RE: I like this idea
By glenn8 on 3/28/2008 12:27:35 PM , Rating: 2
A retractable roof only saves you from being rained on. It doesn't guarantee clear skies. :).
Anyways all these people people pointing to having a roof are forgetting the venues that are not stadium based like the marathons and such.


RE: I like this idea
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/29/2008 3:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you on that


significant military?
By lompocus on 3/27/2008 4:31:22 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry, but 10 million people armed to the teeth with sticks with around 4 planes in stock that are worse than an F-16 or F-14/15 does NOT equate to a significant military. They're a 3rd world country. period.

PERIOD.




RE: significant military?
By Rookierookie on 3/27/2008 6:19:36 PM , Rating: 3
You make Sukhoi cry.


RE: significant military?
By CottonRabbit on 3/27/2008 6:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
If by sticks you mean modern assault rifles and by 4 planes you mean 2,300 including 400 modern fighters, then yes, every military in the world besides the US is third world. PERIOD.

Anyways, this is nothing new for China, though I think they should be more worried about sandstorms than rain, as those would be much more inconvenient.


RE: significant military?
By TropicalJ on 3/27/2008 6:45:03 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the China air force was 3rd largest with 2400 planes and they were outfitted with SU-27, SU-30's. Also built some new J-10 fighter. I wouldn't put these up against the F-22 but they're hardly garbage.


RE: significant military?
By 325hhee on 3/28/2008 9:56:56 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm... Is that a modified F-16? This looks like one of the prototypes of the refitted F-16s 15 years ago with the carnard and delta wings. Interesting.


RE: significant military?
By nofranchise on 4/4/08, Rating: 0
Liquid nitrogen = dual purpose
By bfellow on 3/27/2008 11:59:18 AM , Rating: 5
Also, liquid nitrogen should be useful if any T-1000 attempt to assassinate any athletes or world leaders




By ElFenix on 3/27/2008 12:09:04 PM , Rating: 5
i can't wait until the report from an artillery piece causes several false starts on the 100 meter dash.




China has gone green
By Esquire on 3/27/2008 12:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
lol, no this can have no side effects what so ever....




RE: China has gone green
By root mean sq on 3/27/2008 8:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly what first crossed my mind.


And I thought that Flash Gordon was Sci Fi
By 3kliksphilip on 3/27/2008 1:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
Shooting clouds to make them disappear? I have to see this in action. Bit worrying that no previous attempts have been properly documented, though.

Maybe large fans would have been cheaper. My mind is out of control. I can't help but pictrue large fans directing bad weather away from China and towards America. Then retaliation, with America introducing larger fans. This continues, until Russia makes a fan SO LARGE THAT IT DESTROYS THE EARTH. Oh help. I am sooooo making this into a computer game.




By Gideonic on 3/27/2008 2:08:34 PM , Rating: 2
Actually stuff like that has been tested during the 60 year anniversary from WWII in Moscow (The time Bush was also there)

The weather was quite terrible around the city but a number of planes flew around and sprayed something into the clouds to let them rain down prematurely. It was still cloudy at times:

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9...

but it surely didn't rain at the Red Square. So this thing actually might work.


WRONG INFO
By Sneegrit on 3/27/2008 2:50:38 PM , Rating: 2
According to the Technology Review article linked to in the post, there aren't thousands of AA emplacements at the ready in Beijing... There are 20. The 7,113 anti-aircraft guns and 4,991 rocket launchers represent China's entire weather engineering arsenal.

quote:
Then, using their two aircraft and an array of twenty artillery and rocket-launch sites around Beijing, the city's weather engineers will shoot and spray silver iodide and dry ice into incoming clouds that are still far enough away that their rain can be flushed out before they reach the stadium.


The AA sites are outside the city, and the cloud seeding planes are the last line of defense for use over the city.




RE: WRONG INFO
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/27/2008 4:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks, this has been corrected.


Bad Idea
By KornVdd on 3/28/2008 8:10:55 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't think it's a good thing to start messing with the weather. While I'm all for scientific progress, I wish many things would be tested much more in safe environments before being released out into the world. But hey, someone's gotta pay research, so if they don't get results, ...

Plus I'm wondering how the combination of AA-guns and airplanes to combat weather is going to go.




RE: Bad Idea
By KornVdd on 3/28/2008 8:12:21 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry for double post, internet was doing weird.
Delete if you want.


By tmouse on 3/27/2008 12:27:18 PM , Rating: 3
The sounds of massive volleys of artillery and the smell of cordite. Smells of Ahhhhhhh VICTORY!

Oh and this just in China’s men’s relay team has just liberated Taiwan.




Smog
By v1001 on 3/27/2008 12:28:16 PM , Rating: 3
Nice they can make more sun so it can make more smog.

If I was a top form athlete China is the last place I'd want to be. I wonder if people will be walking around with masks and oxygen tanks at the games and in between competition. I'm not just trying to start trouble, I'd really be concerned about my lungs there. The air is shameful from what I've seen and read.




By pnyffeler on 3/27/2008 2:02:12 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps instead of spending money on guns and ammo, they might put a roof on the stadium and spend the excess cash on one serious air filtration system.

Besides, what's the point of having an open air stadium if you can't see the sun through the haze?




Take that cloud
By hduser on 3/27/2008 12:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
Let that be a lesson to all the other clouds in the world that China will no tolerate clouds violating it's airspace.




virtual war zone
By redeyedfly on 3/27/2008 1:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing like competing in your event with an virtual war zone going on outside the stadium. This will anger many athletes and probably affect their performance.




Distraction anyone?
By MrBlastman on 3/27/2008 1:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
One would think that the firing of these 7000 AA guns would be as distracting to the athletes as the rain itself.

I mean, storms usually are comprised of more than a puffy cloud - so these guns would have to be firing for quite some time.

The noise alone of them going off would probably disrupt the games...

Or... This is all part of some sinister communist plot. By secretly training their athletes to be immune to the noise of AAA fire, they can gain a competitive edge mid-even thus ensuring the great nation the coveted gold medal.

I think I've figured it out! (ok maybe not but it is good conspiracy theory)




By phattyboombatty on 3/27/2008 2:28:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Two aircraft will also be scrambled to spray dry ice and silver iodide into the clouds in an attempt to stop them from reaching the stadium.


Sounds kind of dangerous to be flying around in the clouds while thousands of AA guns are firing into the air.




By andrewsdw on 3/27/2008 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
This has Southpark episode written all over it.




April Fools!
By Ammohunt on 3/27/2008 3:08:24 PM , Rating: 2
Hey its not april 1st yet guys! Nice try!




3 Day Forecast
By Machinegear on 3/27/2008 3:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
China's weather modification program will also be the largest in the world, when fully deployed. It will feature over 1,500 weather modification professionals...


Our local news & weather team could use a few of those weather modification professionals.

They can't seem to ever get the damn forecast right.




C&C generals anyone?
By gonks on 3/27/2008 4:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
Now all that we need is the americans throwing the weather storm...




By marsbound2024 on 3/27/2008 6:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me, or are those rounds of "dry ice and silver iodide" looking strikingly similar to anti-aircraft bullets in the top picture?

I think the Chinese are getting bored and wanting a war...especially with Taiwan. During the Olympics, they'll have their own games with the AA gunners. "Whoever can shoot down the most birds gets promoted! Bonus promotion for whoever can shoot down the most birds over the stadium!"

They also may be replaying Baghdad's Shock and Awe without the Shock and Awe. A few AA gunners shooting into the sky...not really doing anything in particular.




I am
By Vim on 3/27/2008 11:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
I am hoping it pours on their asses, quite frankly.




Thye will get much use out of them.
By fifolo on 3/27/2008 11:42:33 PM , Rating: 2
These guns will come in handy when dealing with future student protesters. With the high cost of fuel, running them over with tanks is simply too expensive these days.




AA guns
By ira176 on 3/28/2008 4:37:06 AM , Rating: 2
I'm quite impressed by those AA guns, look like they could've shot an awful lot of Jap zero's and bombers down during WWII era!




Bad Idea
By KornVdd on 3/28/2008 8:08:25 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't think it's a good thing to start messing with the weather. While I'm all for scientific progress, I wish many things would be tested much more in safe environments before being released out into the world. But hey, someone's gotta pay research, so if they don't get results, ...

Plus I'm wondering how the combination of AA-guns and airplanes to combat weather is going to go.




By SiliconAddict on 3/28/2008 8:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yah that'll go over well with people visiting. Lets shoot off AA guns around the Olympics, because nothing goes better with a summer day like the distant boom of a set of AA guns going off. I can't wait!




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