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Chinese mainlanders will have to turn to piracy to watch the latest American blockbusters

China is blocking the import of American films, said MPAA CEO and Chairman Dan Glickman in an official statement released last week.

“Although we have not received official confirmation of such a ban from the Chinese Government or China Film, the indicators are strong that our information is correct,” read the statement. “If such action has been taken … it would represent an enormous step backwards in terms of China’s efforts to develop a strong … and legitimate film exhibition and distribution market.”

In a move that some suspect is retaliation for a recent U.S.-filed WTO complaint over China’s alarmingly high piracy rate, the Chinese government appears to have stopped granting import requests to American filmmakers -- of which it normally allows for about 20 movies per year. According to one anonymous Hollywood executive speaking to The New York Times, the Chinese government became suddenly uncooperative; filmmakers’ movie import requests for early next year have thus far been ignored, delayed, or come back denied.

“We are working with top officials in the US government, including the Treasury Secretary, as well as the Trade Representative and Secretary of Commerce, both of whom are in China at the moment,” said Glickman. “If these reports are true, it is unacceptable that China has taken this action and we will bring all our resources and leverage to bear to address this situation.”

A spokeswoman from the Chinese State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television, declined to comment on the so-called ban, noting that if such a ban was in place it would have been officially announced on the Administration’s web site.

American filmmakers, many of whom are betting heavily on the growing the Chinese market, say China’s restrictive stance on American movies is a direct contributor to the country’s high piracy rate. The previous 20-movie limit is “a very low number to begin with,” said U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, “and we believe the low number contributes to the problems [we] have in intellectual property rights protection.”

A Chinese ban on American movies “would be very serious indeed,” said Schwab, who at the time was at a Strategic Economic Dialogue meeting outside Beijing. “We have spoken forcefully to our Chinese hosts.”



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China
By Chadder007 on 12/19/2007 4:20:06 PM , Rating: 4
We need to block more of China's crap here in the U.S.




RE: China
By five40 on 12/19/2007 4:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah like all their script kiddies who uselessly attack our websites over and over


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
He meant actual goods. Not the internet.


RE: China
By Souka on 12/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 6:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
And that has what to do with America blocking Chinese products as the original post calls for and I was talking about?


RE: China
By erikejw on 12/20/2007 1:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
Sue the bastards, we are the mighty MPAA.
Oh wait we can't do that since it is not a 13 years old pimple faced kid we can threat with M$ and a destroyed future.


RE: China
By XtAzY on 12/19/2007 6:24:27 PM , Rating: 2
Do you even know what communism is?


RE: China
By audiomaniaca on 12/19/2007 9:01:57 PM , Rating: 1
Some of its characteristics are spying your own citzens, lying, hiding facts, monitoring civilian communication, manipulating media, making propaganda in the form of nice, well-done movies, brain-washing your own people, and so on...

By the way, with very few exceptions, today's hollywood movies are as crappy as those bad chinese products sold for a few dollars. They're making their people a big favor in blocking some crap. As far as they don't ban Woody Allen, George Lucas or David Lynch, I won't miss anything.


RE: China
By kilj on 12/19/2007 9:26:41 PM , Rating: 5
Hey, that's kinda like what the US is doing to its citizens right now...


RE: China
By shabby on 12/19/2007 10:45:20 PM , Rating: 1
LOL!


RE: China
By Gul Westfale on 12/19/2007 10:45:46 PM , Rating: 4
beat me to it, kilj... i'd give you a 6 if i could :)


RE: China
By Ryanman on 12/20/2007 4:04:04 AM , Rating: 4
siiiiiiiiiiiiiix


RE: China
By mrteddyears on 12/20/2007 4:34:25 AM , Rating: 2
I find this very interesting to read as the treasury and trade big wigs are over in China and all of a sudden this ban comes out. Sounds to me like China are squeezing the USA’s peas a little to ensure that Chinese production output is not targeted.

I work for a Chinese company and they really don’t like being told what to do and how to do it especially by the USA.

So don’t read to much into it its just political nonsense that will not effect us in anyway.


RE: China
By spepper on 12/20/2007 8:58:42 AM , Rating: 3
good insight, mrteddyears-- I'm sure that China is as unenthusiastic about being beaten over the head with the rolled-up paper version of the WTO treaty as a lot of folks are right here in the USA-- so it's not surprising they would use that manuver of just shutting down the U.S. imports of certain products-- which in that case, American made movie DVD's, would certainly provoke more piracy in the Asian region-- China is like a consumer, the BIGGEST in the world, that's held hostage by its own government, like a family in a bad neighborhood that's being forced by a gang to pay "protection"-- the "gang" simply tells them what they can and cannot buy or sell, for their "own good" of course--


RE: China
By joust on 12/22/2007 11:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
What the Chinese don't realize is we can play their game too. I wonder how they'd behave if we required their goods be held at port for a couple months due to "safety" inspections?

We also could rattle the saber loud enough to make foreign direct investors in China very, very scared. Scared enough to yank their money out ASAP. Two words: "naval blockade".


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 9:19:55 AM , Rating: 2
And every other government out there regardless of the type so what exactly is your point?


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 9:24:20 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Some of its characteristics are spying your own citzens, lying, hiding facts, monitoring civilian communication, manipulating media, making propaganda in the form of nice, well-done movies, brain-washing your own people, and so on...


That has nothing to do with communism. Those things can happen regardless of the form of government.

If you look at something like Star Trek, thats communism in its pure form. Everyone gets what they need. No one desires more.


RE: China
By JustTom on 12/20/2007 11:04:02 AM , Rating: 1
I can not comment on anything other than the original Star Trek, but at least in the original show the economy was not communist. There were several shows with greed, poverty, and cash trading.


RE: China
By CrimsonFrost on 12/20/2007 2:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Meh, I think only the Borg were Communism in it's truest form. A lot of people here seem to really not know squat about what communism actually is.


RE: China
By clnee55 on 12/25/2007 3:23:51 AM , Rating: 2
I know. I lived with them for 10 years. People often say that in communist country, there is no freedom of speech. They are very wrong. I can swear that they have freedom before speech.

quote:
Do you even know what communism is?


RE: China
By Kyanzes on 12/27/2007 2:40:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's a political response so it's basically irrelevant that it concerns movies. It could have been milk, wheat or something else.


RE: China
By RW on 12/20/07, Rating: -1
RE: China
By JasonMick (blog) on 12/19/2007 4:24:59 PM , Rating: 3
But they make such safe and well regulated leukemia drugs. *Checks the news*

Oh wait nvm....

(But besides, realistically if we start blocking there crap, who will take our trash? I mean you think we want to keep all this tech trash ourselves??? Really now.)


RE: China
By Mitch101 on 12/19/2007 4:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
If you think Drywall and road paint can cure lukemia. Scary thought that a lot of pills made it into top chain pharmacies.


RE: China
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: China
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 12/19/2007 6:11:50 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
As vitamin C is in many food products, almost all 'energy' drinks, 'fruit' drinks, vitamin pills themselves, etc., China could wipe out 75% of the US population this way.

That sounds like a very bad James Bond movie.

quote:
Or that matter, they can easily kill many pets in American through spiking the ingredients they sell that are in virtually every brand of pet food. Oh wait, they already did the test run on that one. And it worked.

Didn't that only kill a few pets before someone found out?

quote:
How about the death of oak trees in the US and other countries -- traced to a Chinese fungus that US intelligence believes was distributed throughout the US by Chinese agents.

I'd love to see links on that

quote:
Or Chinese fish introduced into US water systems that have decimated US fish populations. Same as above.

Yes, but they got there as ballast from U.S. tankers

I'm all for putting blame where blame is due. But I think some of your points are a pretty big stretch.
quote:
As vitamin C is in many food products, almost all 'energy' drinks, 'fruit' drinks, vitamin pills themselves, etc., China could wipe out 75% of the US population this way.


RE: China
By tophat on 12/19/2007 6:14:44 PM , Rating: 2
xenophobe


RE: China
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/19/2007 6:35:20 PM , Rating: 5
Looking at the facts and being aware of risk is not being xenophobic.

Do you need to look at the FDA website and see the endless list of pet food recalled because it was poisonous due to Chinese ingredients?

Are you denying that this happened?

Or are you just trying to deny me the right to life? Oh yeah, I forgot. That basic rights, such as the right to life, *do not exist in China*.


RE: China
By tophat on 12/19/2007 6:56:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
China is a true menace. 1B+ strong, smart, and totally dedicated to the pursuit of money above all other things. In other words, 100% evil.


I take it that the above should be taken as fact? Sounds more like xenophobic opinion to me.


RE: China
By Darkskypoet on 12/20/2007 2:57:57 PM , Rating: 4
Come come now... Seriously... Malice doesn't enter into it, and doesn't even have to explain it.

It's called unrestricted free market capitalism at it finest.

Do you honestly think for one minute if U.S Corps could use cheap, unsafe ingredients in their products w/o being shut down or annihilated in court, that they wouldn't? BS!!

It's profit baby! Plain and simple, no malice intended, just profit.

Look at the lobbying, and continued denial of harm by cigarette manufacturers in the U.S, and abroad. Look at their behavior (amongst others) 30 years ago. CIGARETTES WERE GOOD FOR YOU!

Cigs are the tip of the iceberg, American corporate entities are no better then any other capitalist sociopathic entities whether they be in China, Laos, Korea, etc. The only difference, is that we've had our industrial revolution, and have been living in an era for the past while where by and large regulation and enforcement bodies hav ebeen up to the task of monitoring and inspecting our production / products.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE yet in China. They simply don't have the officials, programs, or bureaucracies in place yet to monitor the massive explosion of production facilities. This economy is massive, and getting larger every day. Consider the present running tally of those migrating from country side to urban workforces is larger then the total workforce in the United States.

Also realize that the numbers start to change when you realize unofficially the Chinese Population is probably well over 1.6 billion, not 1.2....

So you have a workforce about the size of the workforce in Western Europe, U.S, Australia, and Canada combined. And they aren't all in productive jobs yet. Corporate entities that until a short term ago didn't exist, and a very inexperienced regulating sector for the sudden appearance of massive private interests. (not to mention a somewhat corrupt regulating sector to boot.)

Nope, no malice needed, just capitalists seeking the lowest cost production, and no fully developed protection mechanisms to regulate such a massive market.

P.S: Greedy, lowest bidder consumers don't help either. Utility maximization w/o perfect knowledge sucks sometimes.


RE: China
By arazok on 12/19/2007 9:11:54 PM , Rating: 5
Can I buy some weed from you?


RE: China
By Samus on 12/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By christojojo on 12/19/2007 6:19:09 PM , Rating: 5
I really makes me angry that people would get upset about a movie blockage but not rally Washington to stop the poisoning of children.

How about levying tariffs that "fine" companies that produce bad products. The money could be used for testing incoming goods. Companies that are "clean" for a period of time can come in tax free.

(Now wait for people to complain that prices will go up. It's sad to say but most people would rather save a buck than save the innocent.)


RE: China
By Alexstarfire on 12/19/2007 4:32:08 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps, but not movies. I've watched a fair amount of Chinese movies and would hate to see them disappear. Lots of Jackie Chans stuff is from China. Most of the them are just dubbed. Anyways, it would suck because a lot of the good martial arts movies would be gone.

We do need to stop importing stuff from them. Especially food related items. They are very bad about that. I've heard so much nasty stuff that I'm afraid to eat anything from China.


RE: China
By bryanW1995 on 12/19/2007 5:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
except kum-POW chicken...man, that stuff is the best...


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
That ain't chicken buddy...


RE: China
By DerwenArtos12 on 12/20/2007 8:29:44 AM , Rating: 3
kum-pow kitty! yum yum!


RE: China
By afkrotch on 12/20/2007 8:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
Lots (if not all) of Jackie Chan films come from Hong Kong. Hong Kong is now part of China, but operates outside of Chinese laws, until at least 2047.

Hong Kong has it's own legal system, police force, monetary system, customs policy, and immigration system. Mainland China does defend Hong Kong and is in charge of Hong Kong's foreign affairs. So even if China bans movies, Hong Kong will go about it's business. China can completey stop all imporation/exportation of goods, but Hong Kong won't.


RE: China
By Crank the Planet on 12/20/2007 7:03:22 PM , Rating: 3
I am going to invent a term- "Communapitalist" which is "Capitalism under Communist control." That's what China is becomming. They saw communism fail in Russia and that's why they are so stridently adopting western capitalist philosophy- only governed by strict communistic ideals. Now that they are making money- quite literally if you get my meaning :) - they will do whatever they wish. No one will tell them what to do. They will not stop stealing- anything they can. They have become a desperate country bent on doing anything they have to, to get their way (money and power.) China is becoming a world power- nay already is- because of their cheap labor force. They are becomming economically superior to every other country.
If you come out with a product, they will reverse engineer it, come out with a similar product and, using cheap components/parts and a cheap labor force they will outsell you and take your markets from you.
Nobody listened when we gave China Most Favored Nation status. Economically speaking, history will show the United States as a country, made the most dangerous mistake that an enemy country can make.
We already made that mistake before we entered World War II by selling all our scrap steel to Japan.
Not our enemy you say? Just because we are not at a physical war war with China does not mean we are not at war. We are at an Economic War right now. Last I checked they are not our ally . Last I also checked they are still bent on World Domination - and that any way they can. And last I checked they still have their nuclear missiles pointed at U.S. targets . No they didn't point them somewhere else just because Bill Clinton went over there to appease U.S. fears. They are still pointed at us.
Let's see:
1. They have stolen Top Secret Nuclear technology from several places including Lawrence Livermore Labs and Sandia National Laboratories- nothing was done to them.
2. They bought our politicians so that Top Secret technology from the Loral Space and Communications Co. could be purchased. This allows pinpoint accuracy of their missiles- nothing has been done to them.
3. Our Top Secret technology for Undetectable Silent Submarines was also sold to them. Hey they did it the American way- paid cash to purchase the whole company. The company they bought? Magnequench Inc. They can now park next to our ships undetected- nothing has been done to them.
They are stealing our top secret stuff right in front of our noses and we don't do anything about it. Are we not at war? You tell me.

Economic numbers in the above articles are wrong. If you look around you as others have mentioned, everything you see is made in China. The bulk of goods imported from China range from vitamins and pet products to electronics to household goods and appliances to clothes and furniture. The amount of goods you see around you is about 70% chinese made. Therefore to show only 13.4% on the books is grossly negligent. In actuality more than 50% of goods imported into this country today come from China. Wal-mart sells chinese products almost exclusively.
What to do to avert a real, physical war? We need to carefully shift the bulk of imported goods to come from other countries like India. As General Patton said, "We shouldn't have stopped at Germany. We should have pushed those Red B@st@rds back all the way through China."


RE: China
By TechLuster on 12/19/2007 4:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. China is waging an all out economic war on the United States. I think this is just part of their plan to further increase the trade deficit in their favor.


RE: China
By Flunk on 12/19/2007 6:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's too bad the economy would collapse if they did, everything is made in China.


RE: China
By amanojaku on 12/19/2007 6:45:53 PM , Rating: 4
Good luck with that. Americans, and the rest of the world, want goods that are inexpensive. Blocking Chinese items would probably cause other countries to raise prices in response to the higher demand. Most people aren't going to care that the Chinese can't see classic films like "The Fantastic Four" and "Titanic" (hold on, I have to stop laughing... ow, my sides!!!) but people will complain when things go up 10 bucks.


RE: China
By jonrem on 12/19/2007 8:05:30 PM , Rating: 3
Then it's time U.S. Corporations started looking for ways to manufacture outside of China in places like India with immense pools of labor. Oh wait, the whole democracy thing kinda gets in the way there.


RE: China
By bangmal on 12/20/2007 5:48:27 AM , Rating: 1
Can the US sustain that long? Little rise in the interest left millions unable to pay the mortgage.

The day that the enemy could not touch your mainland is gone, and the day waiting for the enemy to crumble and dissolve by himself is now just a fantasy.

American has almost used up its luck. It is a different world now.


RE: China
By mdogs444 on 12/20/2007 6:51:42 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Can the US sustain that long? Little rise in the interest left millions unable to pay the mortgage.

I hope you realize thats not true at all.

In fact the bottom line reason that many people cannot pay their mortgage is Greed & Stupidity. With the last 10 years of homes going up in value at such a fast pace, lenders started giving out home loans to people with poor credit who should not be getting home loans. The thought was that if you give them "zero down" and "no interest" loans, that even if they defaulted on the homes 3 years down the road, the house would have appreciated to the point that they would still profit on it, as well as getting a few years of interest paid to them as more profit.

Lenders made stupid loans to people, and people were greedy buying larger & more expensive homes than they could afford with the thought that they could turn around and sell it for profit before the interest rate changes, and they have to start paying off the principal.

What pisses me off is that the Govt is stepping in and helping out these people and lenders, with our tax money, for being greedy and making stupid investment moves.

So while the honest and smart people out there still pay rent and save up to buy a home with a smart loan that they can afford, others bought homes out of their range and the person saving up has to help bail out the greedy ones.

What happened to free market? You make choices - sometimes you win sometimes you lose. These people lost and should be forced to deal with their consequences, as well as the business.


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 10:51:35 AM , Rating: 3
Extremely well said. The housing situation is entirely the lenders fault. They made up new types of loans as they went to do whatever they could to get people to buy homes.

I'm actually kind of glad this happened because its deflated the cost of homes back to a somewhat reasonable level.

And yes I'm also pissed my tax dollars are going to bail out these companies and people affected by it. All doing that teaches people is "Hey, if I screw up, the government will fix it for me". That in turn breeds reliance on the government. Just like social welfare programs that, while people used to feel ashamed to be on them, now people act like it is their god given right to get handouts from the government.


RE: China
By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 5:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Good comments-
I want to put in my 2 cents on this. I understand that our tax dollars are not going towards this. What the lenders have agreed to do is keep rates the same for the next 5 years instead of hiking them up like they were planning to. This will allow those who cannot afford to get out from under the debt and still allows the lenders to make money that they would otherwise loose if the rate hike occurred.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I whole heartedly agree that people need to get off their rumps and work. IMO the government should only focus and do 3 things. 1. Build roads, 2. Protect it's citizens (not from financial loss--but physically from harm) 3. Stay out of my life (taxes, Political Correctness, public institutions--all have to go... then freedom will truly ring.)


RE: China
By Spuke on 12/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By Tacoloft on 12/21/2007 5:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
Spuke,
Please define "less fortunate". the problem is that the federal government thinks that the definition applies to anyone and everyone.


RE: China
By eye smite on 12/19/2007 7:06:56 PM , Rating: 2
You all are playing with dynamite. China will do what they want when they want to who they want without anyone's consent. That's a historical fact repeated time and time again all the way up to the most public one in recent history, " Tianemen Square" where they killed hundreds of people after they blacked out the news media. We're lucky they trade with us at all.


RE: China
By TSS on 12/19/2007 7:18:01 PM , Rating: 3
*cough*

http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/Archive/2005/Mar/03-51...

"In terms of U.S. goods imports in 2004, China was second, at $196.7 billion, accounting for 13.4 percent of all U.S. imports. In terms of U.S. goods exports, China was fifth, at $34.7 billion, behind only Canada, Mexico, Japan and the United Kingdom and ahead of Germany."

it's pretty impossible to "block china's crap" since it's just about all the crap ya got around now.


RE: China
By damncrackmonkey on 12/20/2007 12:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
I never realized 13.4% was 'just about all'


RE: China
By Spuke on 12/20/2007 5:53:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's pretty impossible to "block china's crap" since it's just about all the crap ya got around now.
Math fails you. 100% - 13.4% = 86.6%. I would think 86.6% would be closer to "all" than 13.4%.


RE: China
By Surak on 12/21/2007 12:19:03 AM , Rating: 3
The USA has all kinds of crazy trade restrictions that unfairly block products from other countries. Why should the USA complain when China does the same? This is nothing more than the overly-powerful movie industry whining for their politician lapdogs to bark.

Look at how the USA screwed Canada for years over softwood lumber, salmon, beef, etc. Just last week the USA was found to be ignoring their obligations to cut subsidies on domestic cotton producers.

Look at the unfair import tariffs the USA has on many products that are supposed to help domestic production, but just make USA citizens pay more than they should ... take sugar for example, sugar costs way more in the USA than it does in Canada, and Canada's production is small compared to the USA!

Are you even aware of the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars the USA spends unfairly subsidizing crops to give domestic producers an advantage, effectively dumping product onto your market? American farmers don't grow food, they harvest taxpayer dollars!

Clean up your own house before you complain about someone else's


RE: China
By zhanwp on 12/21/2007 8:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly!!!!

I see many people still use colored eyes to see China and Chinese government.


RE: China
By mdogs444 on 12/21/2007 9:00:05 AM , Rating: 2
Geez, where do I even start. Your comments go to prove that you know absolutely nothing about the economy & job growth/maintaining.

quote:
The USA has all kinds of crazy trade restrictions that unfairly block products from other countries

They are not "unfair" restrictions, they are restrictions for a reason. Some are due to government sanctions against other governments.

quote:
Look at the unfair import tariffs the USA has on many products that are supposed to help domestic production, but just make USA citizens pay more than they should

Guess what man, I highly suggest you open your eyes and quit drinking the anti-american kool aid. Tarrifs are there for a reason to keep US production of goods up, exports up, pricing competitive, and maintain & promote job growth for the US industry. This is actually a good thing. If everything in the US started getting produced overseas and eliminated tariffs - sure, things would be cheaper, but you wouldnt be able to afford any of them anyway because our unemployment rate would be so high, taxes would increase dramatically for more social policies, other countries would control the price fixing, and the economy would be in shambles.

You need to really understand the history of some of this. Several decades back, the US used to give foreign aid to other countries with the stipulation that the money we give them could only be used to purchase US manufactured products. This was great because it promoted job growth, manufacturing, and boosted our economy. When that deal was nixed (Carter, I think, but not sure), the money that we give them now can go to whatever they want. They can use our cash to pay off their own national debt. How stupid is that?

quote:
take sugar for example, sugar costs way more in the USA than it does in Canada, and Canada's production is small compared to the USA!

Hello, McFly are you home? If sugar costs next to nothing, there would be less sugar farmers in the US due to the people not being able to profit enough to make a living and it would decrease the employment in that sector. Things produced in the US cost more because of the labor, health insurance, pensions/401k's, and environmental regulations!

quote:
Are you even aware of the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars the USA spends unfairly subsidizing crops to give domestic producers an advantage

Its not unfair to use United States taxpayer money to promote United States economic growth. Thats one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.

quote:
Clean up your own house before you complain about someone else's

Perhaps your house needs cleaned up a bit. You need to dust off those old text books to learn a few things, and stop sitting on your Lazy Boy recliner soaking in the anti-american liberal fud of the drive by media.


Goooo China!
By five40 on 12/19/2007 4:19:41 PM , Rating: 5
Anyone who pisses off the MPAA or RIAA is good in my book. I don't steal movies nor do I care to. It's awesome seeing the MPAA all up in arms...finally someone bigger than they are can just smack them around a little bit.




RE: Goooo China!
By psychotix11 on 12/19/2007 4:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, it's good to see someone give them a headache.


RE: Goooo China!
By RogueLegend on 12/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: Goooo China!
By Leirith on 12/19/2007 5:03:41 PM , Rating: 4
The rest of the world is backward RogueLegend? How narrow minded can you get?


RE: Goooo China!
By RogueLegend on 12/20/2007 11:48:17 AM , Rating: 2
Leirith, I don't personally believe the rest of the world is backwards- that was the sarcastic portion of the comment. I often come across the American point of view of other countries as being "backwards" and if it weren't for America there would be no development.

Personally, I believe America has stifled real economic development in other countries. Yes, there have been some contributions, but on the whole, I think our own development takes precedence and we prevent other countries from creating their own functioning economies without some sort of dependence on ours.

China, in my opinion, is a country that is attempting to shed that dependence and at the same time develop its own economy so that its citizens benefit equally from it. It's just difficult to spread the wealth among over a billion people. America is fortunate to have such a small population in historical and present comparison- easier for wealth to be made individually than in a country four times our size.

By the way, this isn't conspiracy theory, this is good economic sense (from an American standpoint)- if you go build a power generator in another country, are you just going get paid to only build it, just to leave it there and let the the people depending on that generator make the money off of providing the service and keep it running?


RE: Goooo China!
By TechLuster on 12/19/2007 6:04:36 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Hell, other countries shouldn't be dependant on American industries for their daily lives.

Rogue, are you blind? If anything, China's making America dependent on their economy.

Just go into any Wal-Mart and have a look around. Practically everything you see (except for food) is made in China. As I said above, China is waging an economic war on the United States, and this is just the latest Salvo. China realizes that the U.S.'s primary exports now and in the future are going to be intellectual property, and they aim to STEAL as much of it as they can.

And why the hell does hurting the American economy "make sense from an economic standpoint." If I had to choose which economy to help, I probably wouldn't pick the one being led by an authoritarian regime (and no, I'm not talking about Darth Cheney's empire--I mean China).


RE: Goooo China!
By gimmeagdlaugh on 12/19/2007 9:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
China realizes that the U.S.'s primary exports now and in the future are going to be intellectual property, and they aim to STEAL as much of it as they can.


i see some progress here, sounds like these brainwashed communist murderers are finally learning the trick from those founding fathers on how to acquire lands legally from native americans. ;)


RE: Goooo China!
By jonrem on 12/19/2007 10:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
Your comment is right on. Several friends of mine work for a company that manufactures industrial equipment which have many components that are manufactured using technology and processes which are precious IP. When this company expressed its interest in entering the Chinese market, the company was told by the PRC that they could either export the industrial machinery to China under the PRC's terms (5 year deal under which China retains rights to IP after 5 years. i.e. similar to a patent expiration) or wait 2-3 years until the PRC reverse engineers the machinery and lose out on everything. These are the snakes American companies are dealing with. Governments without the advantage of cheap or forced labor must do all they can to preserve the IP developed by their corporations. Thanks TechLuster for pointing this out!!! Everybody seems to think our dealings with China are purely for dog food and barbie dolls.


RE: Goooo China!
By RogueLegend on 12/20/2007 11:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And why the hell does hurting the American economy "make sense from an economic standpoint." If I had to choose which economy to help, I probably wouldn't pick the one being led by an authoritarian regime (and no, I'm not talking about Darth Cheney's empire--I mean China).


First of all, most creative production makes money from the sale of DVD's. But DVD's are simply the end result of American creative forces run under American production companies- *this is where the real money is made.*

You think Chinese companies make any money off of creating little action figures and assembling plastic parts to make a walkie talkie? All the real money is made on this side, marketing, sales, and distribution all take place here- and that's where the big money is. The production side is one small slice of the pie.

Secondly And China is helping its own economy in this move. Why would they want to help ours? You might chose differently, but I'm sure that China has its own interests at heart

Thirdly, (since I have to spell it out for you) the statement you quoted from me was a more general statement. Look in other countries where American companies run power, water, and other utilities and services which we consider necessary parts of our lives. It was only related to this article since China is utilizing our entertainment industry and depending on it for the entertainment needs of its citizens. My whole point isn't that China should stop producing toys and electronics, but stop depending on other countries for non-necessities like entertainment- and this is for its own good.


RE: Goooo China!
By Haltech on 12/19/2007 10:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
its called globalization/capitalism if you hadn't heard. It happens everywhere.


RE: Goooo China!
By Schadenfroh on 12/19/2007 4:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, good for China! Next they need to ban all RIAA labels.


RE: Goooo China!
By superunknown98 on 12/19/2007 4:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, the MPAA is used to bullying everyone else around, and now that the tables have turned, they run straight to big brother and cry.

Now if only we could get them to block the RIAA


RE: Goooo China!
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:59:34 PM , Rating: 1
Uh no this is one time where you don't want to see them loosing sales. If China blocks movie imports, whats next?


sick of china
By fuser197 on 12/19/2007 4:52:21 PM , Rating: 1
anyone else sick of the crap china pulls? ripping everything from movies, music, to even cars? it's unfortunate that china is so important economically for the future, it seems like everyone's willing to bend over backwards for that backwards country.




RE: sick of china
By Leirith on 12/19/2007 5:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I am sick of it. I thought the fake Ferrari was pretty funny though.


RE: sick of china
By InternetGeek on 12/19/2007 5:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'm letting my wallet cast the vote by buying as less as possible from them. But it seems stores know this and there's very scarce information about Country of Origin about certain products.


RE: sick of china
By feraltoad on 12/19/2007 5:35:27 PM , Rating: 2
I think every product should be required to have the country of origin's flag displayed on the corner of the FRONT of the product at a reasonable percentage of the package size, say 2%. I think it would really highlight how much we are buying from other countries, and it would make buying American easier. "Hmm destroy domestic manafacturing or save two dollars? What to do..."


RE: sick of china
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:43:41 PM , Rating: 3
The sad part is, most would rather save the two dollars.


RE: sick of china
By Polynikes on 12/19/2007 5:50:22 PM , Rating: 2
In many cases, yeah, that would likely be the case. But I bet a lot of products that were made in China would get a second thought, due to recent reports of dangerous or defective products being made there. Example: Toys.


RE: sick of china
By Malhavoc on 12/19/2007 8:51:15 PM , Rating: 3
I agree that products should be labelled with TRUE country of origin. There are products marked as Product of the USA, but not actually from the USA.

One thing that often happens is bulk produce is purchased from other countries and put it in a box and labelled as Product of USA/State. It is something easily verified during a crop's off-season, especially for some of the highly perishable fruit and vegetables. As far as I am concerned that is gross misrepresentation.


RE: sick of china
By Spivonious on 12/20/2007 8:44:08 AM , Rating: 2
What would you do for the products that have parts made in China, assembly in Mexico, and distribution in Canada, all by an American company?


RE: sick of china
By shurpajack on 12/21/2007 5:43:41 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly what is being done by most of the products people are labeling as "from China".

The global economy is no longer 'This Country against That Country'. The benefits of globalization far outweigh the negatives. One benefit: If your economy is tied up in the economy of another country (China and US) you aren't going to go around making hostile militant threats. Globalization leads to better political discourse and diplomacy.

The factors of production in the US are fluid enough that the manufacturing sector losing jobs has not affected the overall economy (look at the growth rate, the American economy is still growing). This is because the people who have lost their jobs due to the supposed outsourcing are finding better jobs somewhere else. We can't expect our economy to always be a manufacturing based one, especially if we are competing in the pharmaceutical and high-technology arenas.


By bigpow on 12/19/2007 5:27:46 PM , Rating: 5
Text above says it all.

We're NOT that all-mighty anymore today.
At the end of the day, they have large enough market to be self-sufficient, while we don't. Plus, they own a lot of US soils (read: mortgage), businesses, etc.

We all know, even when they were importing Movies and Music officially, there were a lot of piracy going on.

I think we pissed them off by impossing more tarrif (textile, etc) and this is how they try to show us that they can hurt us back. Simple as that.

Try to bully them, and they'll bite our fat asses even more.

I believe The key is through diplomatic negotiations. Once we present ourselves properly and politely (on the same level, not like before), they wouldn't have any reason to act Hostile. They will have to comply in return (even if they're only pretending).

I would hate to be the one who has to play this game of Chess.




By 195 on 12/19/2007 5:39:50 PM , Rating: 3
sorry man China isn't self sufficient. China rely's on the US for the majority of their income. And we rely on China for the majority of our goods. It's like each country is on each end of a chinese finger trap (no pun intended).

As much as I would like to see the MPAA and RIAA get pwned, China is much more shady in their business practices than the MPAA. I would like to see China get pwned with restrictions on China's exports worldwide until they stop pegging currency, ripping off innovative pantented products, and bootlegging. The entire reason for their substantial growth stems from their cheating. Their growth should have been much slower if they had an open market.


By Strunf on 12/20/2007 5:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
"I would like to see China get pwned with restrictions on China's exports worldwide"

The WTO has no enforcement power whatsoever... the US got pawned by the WTO more than once and nothing was/is done in US to comply with the WTO.


By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:47:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I believe The key is through diplomatic negotiations. Once we present ourselves properly and politely (on the same level, not like before), they wouldn't have any reason to act Hostile. They will have to comply in return (even if they're only pretending).


Yeah that's worked really well.......never.


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 12/19/2007 6:28:35 PM , Rating: 4
It worked pretty well for Nixon. It's regarded as one of the few things he got right actually.


By Sahrin on 12/19/2007 7:33:16 PM , Rating: 2
It worked pretty well for Nixon. It's regarded as one of the few things he got right actually.

Only by the incomparably ignorant. Nixon was one of the finest Presidents of this century in every sense of the word - the difference between Nixon and everyone else is that Nixon got caught, and publicly admitted his mistake. No other president to my knowledge has done so. (Consider his predecessors, Johnson and Kennedy who are considered moderate to great - Kennedy almost certainly was elected by massive fraud the ilk of which Nixon admitted to, and Johnson was guilty of fraud of another kind from the start).

Paranoid to the level of psychologically imbalanced? Probably. Mishandled most domestic issues? Clearly. The President who more than any other in the last fifty years solidifed American Hegemony? Without doubt.

People (especially those in the media) are so oft to decry him for reasons that escape me - the crimes of which he was guilty are very similar to those being committed by Bush, and Clinton; Reagan and Bush; Carter and Kennedy. The difference, of course, is that none of them tried to take the dastardly step of taking responsibility for the mistakes of his administration.

Decry Nixon for his crimes if you wish, but at least grant that he was one of the finest Diplomats America has had sitting in the Round Room.


Chinese Hypocrisy?
By Sahrin on 12/19/2007 4:25:22 PM , Rating: 5
A sense of Chinese superiority has been described by Western writers - this is usually attributed to a deeper "Chinese Pride" at being among the oldest still-surviving (and flourishing) civilizations in the world. At many points, particularly with their "social will-power," I have to agree with the Chinese self-perception.

At times like these, however, it's hard to see them as anything other than a nine-year-old throwing a candy tantrum.




RE: Chinese Hypocrisy?
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: Chinese Hypocrisy?
By kyp275 on 12/20/2007 3:37:19 AM , Rating: 3
*drowns in the sea of xenophobic hatred*

I don't know which planet you're living on, but China hardly existed throughout its history by stealing from others, I'm not gonna bother listing things out, but you should probably go take world history 101 again.

quote:
...a people that pride themselves in savagery, duplicity and greed...


quote:
...the cheap labor, lack of human rights, lack of environmental controls, lack of animal rights, etc. It is a place where the greedy go to do their dirty deeds...


congratulations, you just described... well, pretty much every single human civilization that has ever existed, so what's your point again?

I'm not defending China by any stretch of the imagination, but anyone with half a brain and some grasp of reality can see that every single civilization have had their share of dirty pasts, and that there will always be good and bad people both in any country, past present or future.

To say that China is full of inherently evil people who are all suffering from some sort of inferiority complex reek of ignorance, racism, stupidity, and marks you as nothing but a paranoid xenophobe.

This is all so very annoying tbh, everywhere board I go these days I always seems to see either anti-americanism, or anti-china etc. Whatever happened to cool heads and rationality?


RE: Chinese Hypocrisy?
By sviola on 12/20/2007 6:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whatever happened to cool heads and rationality?


Well, there isn't a simple answer for that, but they usually are ignored or despised at internet forums. Seems that flaming and posting obtuse arguments are the usual on internet fora (does forum plural follows the rule of bacterium/bacteria? not sure, but as it is a latin word, would make sense), although you can find some good stuff.


RE: Chinese Hypocrisy?
By sxr7171 on 12/20/2007 11:46:02 PM , Rating: 2
I see where you're coming from but understand that the US was pretty much in the same place about a hundred years ago. The textile mills of Lowell, MA for one, had the worst working conditions back then. Even today people are treated poorly in US manufacturing sectors, just read "Fast Food Nation" and you'll see that in some pockets we treat our people no better but everything's just sort of white washed here since our crooks wear business suits and work for big corporations.


RE: Chinese Hypocrisy?
By teckytech9 on 12/20/2007 12:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
I would characterize the "pride" as more of a people who have witnessed a longer history than any other nation. A will-power in the people to make a better life, and to take pride in the accomplishments of their county. But wait, doesn't the missing element of freedom coupled with human right abuses just throw a big monkey wrench in the whole system?

Indeed, the Chinese government does not need American films to sway the masses to our freedoms, consumerism, and way of life. They have a big enough task to controlling their billion plus population as it is with its own "government approved," media. Do they need to add fuel to the powder keg?

Besides, if any movie or other American product would sell in China, it would be priced out of reach for the average Chinese consumer. Hence, pirates flourish, as does reverse engineering, which attaches the made in China label to bring prices down to acceptable levels. I assume that these purchases add to their economy too.



Hell Yeah
By Bioniccrackmonk on 12/19/2007 5:04:38 PM , Rating: 5
China just moved up one notch in my book... which by my calculations puts them at notch one.

Side note: I wish I could have been there to shout boo-yeah in the MPAA's face when they received this news.




RE: Hell Yeah
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 6:03:52 PM , Rating: 1
The only notch you should have raised is the one on the scale that ends with WW3.


RE: Hell Yeah
By NoSoftwarePatents on 12/20/2007 12:43:59 AM , Rating: 2
The MPAA and RIAA can take their DMCA and fuck off and go to hell.

Seriously.


China the spoiled child needs a good thrashing
By androticus on 12/19/2007 5:34:22 PM , Rating: 1
China is the biggest spoiled child of countries. It is appalling that it is even allowed to block or so seriously restrict importation of American (or any) movies. I am amazed that is not a violation of WTO rules. We never should have allowed China to join WTO unless they were going to allow full commerce in all products. This is where you get into the contradiction of having trade relations with authoritarian dictatorships. We may not be able to demand they become democratic, but at least we should demand that the spoiled "little Eichmans" in Beijing stop being such fusspot authoritarians and let their people live their lives. Quite frankly, if Beijing loosened up a bit so that there wasn't censorship anymore, you might find a majority more inclined to continue supporting the existence of a known dicatatorship that was nevertheless relatively benign and predictable, vs. whatever mob rule might emerge under democracy. Ask any businessman in Venezuela how much he or she loves their government...




RE: China the spoiled child needs a good thrashing
By vonnie on 12/19/2007 6:20:32 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny co's within the next 10 years China will be the world’s biggest super power. That’s what you get for out sourcing everything to the Far East. Get used to being dictated to by china lol have any of you looked at the economic growth statistics for china? yes they have embraced capitalism in an attempt to boost the country’s economic standing at the expense of the lower classes, but if the west did not move so much home grown industry for cheap labour then the west wouldn’t be in the situation it's about to face.


RE: China the spoiled child needs a good thrashing
By vladio on 12/19/2007 8:16:34 PM , Rating: 1
101%


RE: China the spoiled child needs a good thrashing
By vonnie on 12/20/2007 7:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
damn right I'm 101% facts are hard to deal with when you a nieve american without a passport. Most of the heads here havent even been overseas ( oh they don't need a passport they have all the climates/culture they need ) and know nothing but what they are fed and listen/read about regarding the bull they all believe. I hope the west learns how to realy deal with issues and i am not just talking about moving industry for cheap labour. The fact is these once third world countries are going to be major players in the near future. Nvm reality is a hard pill to swallow. I could go more in depth but i fear the brains behind these posts are lagging a little


By shurpajack on 12/21/2007 5:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
I, for one, welcome more players in the global economy. It only helps the US when 2+ billion people (India and China) are added to the consumer pool. With American exports so attractive now, I expect the current account balance everyone is so worried about to continue to climb back up. The only thing I am truly worried about is the spending habits of our own government.

It does not harm us if China is able to produce more, it just makes our goods that we consume that much more cheaper.


I've had just about enough
By Growly on 12/19/2007 10:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
Why is it that more than half the posts I see on DailyTech are made my extremely pro-American nutjobs who believe that anything with "America" associated with it is inherently superior to every other entity in the entire universe? Do you believe this "America" of yours is God's gift, saviour, messiah - or something to that effect?

You're doing your country more harm than good with such myopia. America is a beautiful place, full of amazing people and history - just like the rest of the world. The Americans I know are wonderful people, I value them for their culture amidst other things.

Unfortunately, you're only human, so while China may have its own problems, so do you. Just please, please, keep this in mind.

On topic, while this may be a bastard thing of China to do, personally I'm all for it. 90% of all Hollywood productions I see are absolute crap. There are the gems, the arts, etc, but mostly crap. If I were Chinese, I'd be happy - but you can bet most of them are actually quite upset if this is in fact true. Nothing like mindless plots to pass the time anywhere in the world.

The American government isn't exactly a shining beacon of fair trade and altruistic economical charity, either. I also think publicly blaming the country of manufacture for an importer's lack of standards and quality control is shocking. Matel (Spelling? I think it was) is a prime example - and they ended up apologising for accusing the Chinese manufacturers eventually, albeit it quietly and without much press attention.

Ultimately though, this is a win for freedom everywhere. RIAA + MPAA are the real axis of evil, and we need a coalition of the willing to make them pay for their crimes.




RE: I've had just about enough
By jonrem on 12/19/2007 11:27:18 PM , Rating: 1
A. Because America rules and you obviously don't live here. try surfing for quality Japanese porn in China...
B. The United States is the single BIGGEST contributor of economic aid to other countries. Sure we are a bit protectionist, but when China won't allow its currency to value at market levels.....
C. Freedom is about people being able to live as they want to, not about being able to steal IP from the U.S. and other countries.
I dislike the RIAA and MPAA's stand on fair use, but respect trade organizations that are willing to protect what is rightfullly theirs.


RE: I've had just about enough
By cochy on 12/20/2007 12:16:25 AM , Rating: 2
You speak as though this issue is about morals when it fact it (and just about every issue) is about nothing else but cold hard cash.

If China bans American movies, that's their right to. The RIAA and MPAA think they can strong arm everyone out there. If Chinese pirate all their movies, good for them. There's no loss sales anyway.

I guess by banning American movies China would be saying something along the lines of

"Well you think that there's huge pirating going on here and you're losing all these sales, so how about we disallow you to sell here so there won't be a problem anymore?"

Not like the Chinese people would care as they are pirating anyway (according to the MPAA).

It's perfectly logical if you ask me.


RE: I've had just about enough
By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 5:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
This is just like prohibition of alcohol in Americas Roaring Twenties. The product still got distributed- mostly by gangs like Al Capone and Bugs Moran who made millions of dollars from selling it.
You cannot tell me with a straight face that thousands if not millions of dollars are being made off of the illegal sale and distribution of American made movies--not to mention the damaging effect if has on Americas economy when none of that money makes it back to the states. Justify it all you want, ethically it is wrong.
And being the communist government that China is- I would not put it past them to be interested and involved in making money off of creating this ban in the first place. (Comrade Chow says, "There is a shiz load of money to be made in entertainment! But most of the good entertainment comes from the states. If we make it legal to buy and sell American entertainment then money will leave China. Why allow those bastage Americans to make money off our citizens when we can simply "prohibit" the buying and selling of American Entertainment and divert money from going over to America to line the pockets of our Socialistic / Communistic government! Great idea Comrade!"


Smart move?
By xdrol on 12/19/2007 4:42:28 PM , Rating: 4
Nobody can sell US films there = noone can earn money for it = no loss for anyone pirating it = legal?




RE: Smart move?
By totallycool on 12/20/2007 10:38:22 AM , Rating: 2
No!!!

Ban on imports of films in china, means piracy turns into smuggling an even bigger crime ????


Times have changed like governments
By woodchuk on 12/19/2007 11:11:35 PM , Rating: 2
When I was a kid China was the bad guy, anybody remember the John Birch Society? The conservatives pounced on anyone showing an ounce of sympathy for China and you were labeled a pinko or commie. The same party now supports that Communist nation, and when I say support I mean this: American export cars:15 percent tax Chinese import cars:2 percent. America has been betrayed from within and without and people are angry, not xenophobic. Chinese government lovers can eat lead.




RE: Times have changed like governments
By imaheadcase on 12/20/2007 2:30:24 AM , Rating: 2
You know communism does have upsides to democracy. They get things done while the US takes years to do a simple job.


By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 5:20:27 PM , Rating: 2
America has saved the asses of so many countries without a single inch of land taken over and millions of lives lost- WWII, Iraq, Afghanistan, ect...
And the thanks America gets is a bunch of ungrateful citizens from within and from other countries hating on and hoping for the downfall of America.

Difference between Communism and Freedom in getting stuff done?
America gets the right stuff done.


foreigners movie
By vladio on 12/19/2007 5:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
How many foreigners movies did YOU see in the last 2 years?
Most american boys ... ZERO!
So, do you getting the picture?
No? Too bad.




RE: foreigners movie
By SirLucius on 12/19/2007 6:13:15 PM , Rating: 3
That were released last year? Two or three. I can't remember the release dates.

Older foreign films that I bought/saw? At least 7 or 8.

The ones that were released last year I saw in theaters while the others I bought/watched on DVD. So that's between 9-11 foreign flicks I saw last year alone. Most of them came from Asia (Hong Kong, Japan, or Korea). In the last two years I can't even count how many I've seen.

Just because the majority of Americans choose not to watch foreign films doesn't mean that we are being prohibited from doing so. There are plenty of opportunities to see foreign films, in theaters, and many films from the rest of the world win awards at American film festivals.

So I fail to see how your point is relevant. China is blocking American films from ever entering the country. Americans are choosing not to watch foreign films. There's a pretty big difference between the two.


New Update...
By andrewsdw on 12/19/2007 5:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
Next thing your going to see in the news is:

quote:
Update: Movie sales down in China. MPAA says major revenue loss resulting from lack of sales. Experts put the numbers at a loss of sales of 9 movies per month.


Honestly, something needs to be done about China. All this counter fitting (whether software, movies, or currency) and unscrupulous acts by their government should not allowed to be continued. I could care less about the RIAA and such but our economy is taking a big hit from all the counterfitting, corporate espionage stealing technology, and what have you.

A giant WTF to China. This trade setup is so one sided.




RE: New Update...
By vladio on 12/19/2007 5:29:25 PM , Rating: 1
Has Morgan Stanley hit rock bottom? On Wednesday, the investment firm announced a jaw-dropping $9.4 billion in write-downs for the fourth quarter. Despite the grave report, investors piled in, hoping that the troubled company had signed off on its last major write-downs -- http://www.forbes.com/markets/economy/2007/12/19/m...


RE: New Update...
By vladio on 12/19/2007 5:32:32 PM , Rating: 1
Morgan Stanley has received a $5 billion (£2.5 billion) cash injection from China Investment Corporation (CIC) after admitting to $9.4 billion in sub-prime mortgage write-offs that dragged its fourth-quarter financials into the red -- http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/ind...


I was just in China..
By wookie1 on 12/19/2007 6:44:17 PM , Rating: 2
I just returned from China a couple of weeks ago. The hotel had HBO and Cinemax. I was able to watch Firefox again! I forgot about this movie that I watched in 5th grade or so. I also watched some really early Kurt Russell movie. On regular channels, they had some 20+ year-old Tonight Show episodes. I forgot that the set and Jay Leno looked that way back then. Didn't seem like they had much for new movies anyway, although I did catch War of the Worlds one day.




RE: I was just in China..
By amanojaku on 12/19/2007 6:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
"War of the Worlds" (gag) was probably one of the 20 imported movies. Everyone loves Tom, even the Chinese.

Except Nicole...


Blowback !!!
By tjr508 on 12/19/2007 7:10:56 PM , Rating: 3
This is another example of why we should not be messing with the affairs of other nations.




RE: Blowback !!!
By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 4:42:08 PM , Rating: 1
Dude, do you even know how America even came to be?! If we never messed with the affairs of other countries we would be saying "Hail to the Queen!" right now. tard...


Dont care what you think
By Holytrinity on 12/19/2007 7:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
China > America




RE: Dont care what you think
By LumbergTech on 12/19/2007 8:48:13 PM , Rating: 2
america > china > mpaa


US Crap
By Arbee26 on 12/20/2007 7:01:24 AM , Rating: 2
As an Aussie, I wish we'd follow their example and block the shit coming from the US too! The crap coming from american TV isn't worth the toilet paper the scripts are written on.




RE: US Crap
By mdogs444 on 12/20/2007 7:07:22 AM , Rating: 2
Oh cmon, I'm sure you enjoyed Crocodile Dundee mate.


MPAA gets what it wants
By jasona111 on 12/20/2007 4:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm, Isn't this exactly what the MPAA wanted, if people can't buy hollywood cr@p legitimately then anything being sold is pirated, and the chinese authorities can shoot the perpitrator on sight...

Me thinks the MPAA are a little confoozed




RE: MPAA gets what it wants
By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 4:37:16 PM , Rating: 2
I say that we pirate, rip, burn, download any movies made from China as they are doing the same to our American made movies. And another thing-- why is it that we should pay a nickle to import any Chinese made movie when America is taking such a huge loss from the pirating of American movies within China? China is basically saying the US should pay them for thier movies they produce but thier government will not pay the US for any movies we produce. It looks like a fleece job on America to me.


Piracy
By BMFPitt on 12/19/2007 5:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Chinese mainlanders will have to turn to piracy to watch the latest American blockbusters
Yeah, turn to...




only 20 before?
By kattanna on 12/19/2007 5:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
of which it normally allows for about 20 movies per year


so before they were only allowing about 20 movies in per year?

still not much of a loss to the chinese people cause there isnt even 10 good movies released a year.

but seriously, only 20? thats not a whole lot to begin with.




By Suomynona on 12/19/2007 6:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
Both the MPAA and the Chinese government are pure evil entities. I hope they fight each other to the death and neither wins. There should be hard and long prison time for American corporate execs who outsource jobs to China where there are no worker or product safety regulations, and then harm consumers by selling the unsafe/defective products. Companies that outsource jobs to China should not be allowed to sell their Chinese-made goods in America.




Not good!!!
By amanojaku on 12/19/2007 6:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
Now that the MPAA lost 1.1 billion potential customers it'll step up its antipiracy policies!

Aw, who am I kidding? If everyone on the planet bought every movie that existed AND provided receipts the MPAA would still hint that we're crooks. ;-)




Trade War
By mcnabney on 12/19/2007 10:21:01 PM , Rating: 2
Why buy what you can just steal (I know, violate copyright)?

I have this creepy feeling that this is going to end badly.

/watch for the Draft. Then you know what is coming...




This is a good thing FTW
By Strunf on 12/20/2007 5:37:48 AM , Rating: 2
There's no reason to give bad ideas to the Chinese...
Just think what would be of the world if now all the Chinese drove any of the cars put forth on the "Transformers" movie...

low MPG cars = bad
weapons = bad
hot chicks in movies when there aren't enough chicks around = bad

The only movie that should ever enter China is "Teletubbies".




U guys are crazy
By vamsy on 12/20/2007 1:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand it, ur making such a hue and cry at such a petty issue. If I'm in ur position I would we alarmed about the stockpiles of weapons that China is adding up. Is it really a coincedence that MOST of them are long distance that lie somewhere in the vicinity of US.

-Vamsy




We fed the beast...
By sxr7171 on 12/20/2007 11:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
Now we need to learn to live with it. This was bound to happen some day. Our greed for more and more consumer goods at cheaper and cheaper prices led to this. Well, welcome to a bold new world of strange interdependence.




Tax..
By dllb on 12/21/2007 9:49:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I guess we should just tax the crap out of any films brought into the USA then.




China this China that.
By gochichi on 12/20/2007 2:36:59 AM , Rating: 1
"China" is a huge country as is the United States.

The basic thing we need to be watching out for is our selves, individually and those immediately surrounding us. If you own your "soil", there is really very little to worry about, same goes with Chinese individuals.

Where we have a real problem is in wanting our own demise. This anti-American sentiment within America is just terrible. How is it really possible that we are so conceited as individuals to think that we can ignore country of origin and worker conditions indefinitely. Do we really believe that empowering our rivals at the expense of our neighbors (I mean neighbors down the street, literally) can go on indefinitely and it will never catch up to us?

America maintaining leadership with property rights is important for several reasons, even if it means piracy. Part of the real problem is that we are no longer excited about our opportunities and the things available to us. Imagine if we collectively didn't waste money on gasoline and interest charges (on the car, on the mortgage, on the credit cards, on the student loans)... that alone would make a huge change.

In case you didn't realize globalization has already blurred the line when it comes to nations. Are you a renter, or a landlord? Because if you have a net worth of 10 million dollars or more, you have more in common with other people with the same net worth than you do along national lines.

What would you think matters more? Being an American Citizen or having a couple of million dollars to your name? People of high net worth are free to roam the world in a way that most of us can't even imagine.

If America is unique is that it's not elitist as mot other countries are. I mean that in the sense that we don't attach as much meaning into social classes as other countries. There are also more protections for the poor, and more means to jump social classes between generations. China is utterly different from that, there, masses of people are disposable while some are utterly rich and movers and shakers of this planet. Part of what historically made America different was the laws, but I fear that the older style of thinking (that of old nations) is an ideology that is infecting our identity.

So many of the American elite, feel no sense of national pride nor any responsibility towards regular folk. It makes sense, since America's regular folk live affluent lifestyles... but I tell you so few of us stand on solid ground and we continue to spit in the rules and laws that were fair enough to allow the non-elite to live as well as we have.

In terms of not buying from China, it is impossible. Making a bigger deal than necessary about the "dangerous" toys reaks of propaganda. There is nothing wrong with the quality of Chinese products, they vary widely and are based upon the individual companies. Apple makes some of the most sought after computers and they are all made in China, every single one. Same goes for the Nintendo Wii, the XBOX 360 etc.

The number one problem with America is one of our greatest strenghts: Individualism. It's such a bratty stance in so many ways, this anti-america stuff is going to byte each and every one of us sooner rather than later. This isn't about China at all, we need to huddle together and make sure we can compete and enjoy financial stability and independance if we can't.

We are so overdue for some humility. The elite are opening the hell out of everything, and when the gates open wide you and I need to be making sure that we can hold on to some essentials.

Intelectual rights are vastly important for the middle class. That means that those with the most chips won't win every single time. It's important that as regular corn eating folk, we can promote egalitarian values to other regular educated folks around the globe. What seems more likely to me now, is that America will become just another country where the rich get richer and everyone else is more and more marginalized.

This truly is not about China, it's about us and our inability to see the big picture as we carelessly cast our considerable votes (where dollars are the real votes of globalization). We seem more enthraled with wanting more right now, when all we're actually doing is guaranteeing that we have less in the future.




WTF Mate?
By Cincybeck on 12/21/07, Rating: 0
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders." -- Michael Dell, after being asked what to do with Apple Computer in 1997











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