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Bitcoins are accepted by a growing number of merchants, even used to pay some employees

Bitcoin Magazine this week heralded some exciting news. The popular cryptocurrency that's free of regulation by any nation state has hit a new high of $32 USD/Bitcoin on Mt. Gox, the world's largest exchange.  The previous high had been $31.9099 on June 8, 2011.

Right after hitting that previous high, Bitcoin values began a freefall, which we covered in our piece "Digital Black Friday: First Bitcoin "Depression" Hits".  It was unclear whether the plunge was due merely to profit taking or other issues.  Shortly thereafter, the currency was further devalued when MtGox was hit with a database dump attack and users accounts were compromised due to the service's weak MD5 hashing of passwords.  It took the site months to rebuild trust, beef up security, and unwind the trail of fraudulent transfers.

The Bitcoin rollercoaster ride bottomed out at $2 USD/coin in November 2011.  And last fall BitFloor -- another major exchange -- was hacked, and $250,000 USD worth of Bitcoins were stolen.  But despite that, the currency continued to creep upwards.

Bitcoins on the rise
Bitcoins values have soared in the last six months. [Chart]

Inflation remains a serious concern for Bitcoins, as do scammers using classic techniques like Ponzi schemes.  And there's the issue of Bitcoin-mining malware that's afflicted PC and Mac users alike.  However, the currency's utility as an (relatively) untraceable and easy to use digital currency is keeping it sailing high.

Popular social media site Reddit recently gave Bitcoins a boost, by accepting the cryptocurrency as a means of paying for "Gold" premium memberships.  LaCie Group SA's (EPA:LAC) "Wuala" and Kim Dotcom's new "Mega" file sharing services both accept Bitcoins as a means of payment.

MtGox
Mt. Gox remains the most popular place to buy and sell Bitcoins.

Domain registrar Namecheap is also considering BitCoin.  And WordPress.com is currently accepting BitCoin payments for various services.

Source: BitCoin Magazine



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Not for me
By p05esto on 2/28/2013 4:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
I can't help but feel that at any point Bitcoins could instantly go to $0 in value. They seem really sketchy and mostly used by people doing illegal things. Could just be me, but this is how I feel and why I keep away with a 10' pole.




RE: Not for me
By kleinma on 2/28/13, Rating: 0
RE: Not for me
By Lord_Conrad on 2/28/2013 4:39:22 PM , Rating: 3
As I understand it, there is a set upper limit to the amount of Bitcoins. Mining slows down as the hashes get harder. However, once the cap is reached, no more Bitcoins will ever be produced.


RE: Not for me
By NullSubroutine on 2/28/2013 4:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, not that I'm advocating them, but the more bit-coins that are "mined", the more difficult they are to mine, exponentially.

Think of it as there is a set amount of...oil in the world, at first its easy to get at, makes it worth little. Then as time goes on it gets harder, machines make it easier to get more out of the bottom of the wells, but it gets harder and harder to squeeze every last drop out. Eventually, the well will run dry and no more oil will be found.


RE: Not for me
By Solandri on 2/28/2013 5:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually, not that I'm advocating them, but the more bit-coins that are "mined", the more difficult they are to mine, exponentially.

That's its fatal flaw IMHO. A currency needs to grow slightly faster than the economy. If it doesn't, it becomes more cost-effective for currency holders to stuff it under a mattress and wait for its value to go up, instead of using that currency to increase their productivity through economic activity.

That was the problem with gold - the amount of gold in circulation wasn't increasing as quickly as the economy was growing, meaning those who owned lots of it were getting richer for doing nothing. And here bitcoins grow exponentially slower, while the economy grows exponentially faster. That puts it into ponzi scheme territory IMHO. (I think the premise was that technology would improve thus keeping the difficulty of mining bitcoins relatively constant. From anecdotes I've been hearing from bitcoin miners, that hasn't turned out to be the case.)


RE: Not for me
By PontiusP on 2/28/2013 6:38:56 PM , Rating: 2
We traded gold, which was real, self regulating money, for a ponzi scheme. Bitcoin is not the ponzi, debt-based money is.

In our current system, debt-based money can only be paid off with more debt, leading to an eventual collapse. With gold, you do get the hoarding problem, but at least you don't get guaranteed collapse and rampant currency devaluation.

I'll take gold over fiat debt-based money any day of the week.


RE: Not for me
By Mint on 2/28/2013 8:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In our current system, debt-based money can only be paid off with more debt, leading to an eventual collapse.
You're forgetting debt default and debt erosion through inflation.

Interest rates exceeded inflation for almost the entire period before the recession. That means just as much debt - private and public - would have been created under a gold standard.
quote:
I'll take gold over fiat debt-based money any day of the week.
That's because you don't understand the ramifications.

If we switched to a gold back dollar today, whatever the astronomical value of gold would be to do that, the debt that the wealthy hold would be given a free 1-2% boost in real interest due to lack of inflation. There's ~$50T in public+private debt in the US, so that's a free $500B+ per year going to the wealthy for doing nothing.

That doesn't even take into account the hoarding that Solandri was talking about, which would make the wealth gap skyrocket even more. But does the productive value of gold go up? Of course not. So you're back to a virtual fiat currency anyway, only it's controlled by the wealthy, who profit massively from deflation.


RE: Not for me
By NellyFromMA on 3/1/2013 3:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, if you think our current currency system if flawed but bit coins ARENT, you are on another planet.

There is a LOT of overlap in the premise.

Both are failed IMO. As to a resolution, good luck with that.


RE: Not for me
By NellyFromMA on 3/1/2013 3:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
Except, gold makes no sense because WHO CARES how much gold someone has? That was great way back before people actually put any thought into the subject but truth is as ridiculous as our current debt-based currency is, gold is even more so. It means nothing, which is worse than debt because at least the valuation is derived from parameters that actually do have tangible use to all citizens involved.


RE: Not for me
By danielravennest on 2/28/2013 5:37:42 PM , Rating: 2
Bitcoins are like any commodity you can trade. The price is determined by supply and demand. What backs gold? Nothing, just the demand people have for it, and the scarcity.

The second part of your comment is incorrect. The software adjusts the difficulty of solving a block of transactions to maintain a near-constant generation rate.

What bitcoins actually are is a data entry in a history of transactions, associating a balance with an account number. They are just like checking account balances. How much is in the account now is just the sum of previous deposits and withdrawls.

New coins are created as a reward for solving a difficult cryptographic problem based on a set of new transactions (a block). Once solved, it is easy to check the solution is correct. The difficulty makes it hard to fake transactions, because if you change any part of a block, even by one bit, the resulting hash will be different. So it is a security measure to ensure the history of transactions has not been messed with.

There will never be more than 21 million bitcoins, no matter how fast future computers get, or how many people try to generate them.


RE: Not for me
By NellyFromMA on 3/1/2013 3:33:39 PM , Rating: 2
This is a bubble just waiting to burst. A worse ponzi scheme than even debt based currency.

Its a currency promoted as a commodity valued in debt based REAL currency.

Thanks, but I'll pass on that. I actually don't need to obfuscate debt-laden currency even further.


RE: Not for me
By deksman2 on 2/28/2013 5:49:00 PM , Rating: 3
Uhm, no.
Money today is not backed by anything.
Its generated out of nothing, or more accurately, out of debt.


RE: Not for me
By Ammohunt on 2/28/2013 5:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
I am positive 20 years from now when bitcoins are valued in the thousands we will all be kicking ourselves saying why didn't i buy them all up at $32. Hell $2 -> $32 is a hefty return it only matters how valuable others think they are in real currency not the actual value.


RE: Not for me
By Solandri on 2/28/2013 5:45:00 PM , Rating: 1
Heh, the same thing happened with a friend and Pokemon cards in the 1990s. I and most of my adult friends thought they were stupid and ignored them (parents were forced to buy them by their kids). But one of my friends (who thought they were stupid) realized their value wasn't what we thought it was worth, it was what its fans though it was worth. He made a small fortune importing them and selling them to retailers.


RE: Not for me
By Gondor on 2/28/2013 5:52:27 PM , Rating: 2
And you are - of course - correct. It is amazing that there are gullible idjits out there who would put a value on something as imaginary (and backed up by noone) as "bitcoins".

The thing with "bridge for sale" springs to my mind whenever somebody mentions this crap. The funny part about this particular bridge is that it is free (as in: everybody can create one at no cost). How daft must one be to invest real money in something like that ?


RE: Not for me
By PontiusP on 2/28/2013 6:41:13 PM , Rating: 3
Gondor,

There are imaginary digital things backed by nothing that people put faith in. We call them dollars (or any other electronic currency for that matter).

Wake up.


RE: Not for me
By Mint on 3/1/2013 3:47:31 AM , Rating: 2
It's not nothing. It's an entire country.

Faith in a country is not nothing. We put faith in a country's ability to protect our property/assets in a dispute, faith that it will do its best to enforce our laws & rights, etc. Faith that the Federal Reserve will target 2-3% inflation is no different.

If you have no faith in these basics then you have no faith in anything in society and may as well kill yourself. To have more faith in Bitcoins than major currencies when there is no way to enforce the value of the former is insanity.

Gold has virtually zero productive value. You simply have faith that others will keep wanting it because it's rare.


RE: Not for me
By danielravennest on 3/1/2013 6:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not nothing. It's an entire country.


Well, in that case, bitcoins are backed by the nation of Bitcoinica, otherwise known as the people who use it. They are a distributed nation rather than a territorial one, but they exist, as evidenced by the transaction history.


RE: Not for me
By deadrats on 3/1/2013 6:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Gold has virtually zero productive value. You simply have faith that others will keep wanting it because it's rare.


not true, gold is an excellent electrical conductor and is used extensively in all our electronic devices, just google it.


RE: Not for me
By theapparition on 3/4/2013 9:44:20 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I suggest you Google it.

Gold isn't a great electrical conductor, paling in comparison to Copper (the most common) and Silver (the best, but with issues). Gold is almost as bad as aluminum.

The problem with silver is it oxidizes (tarnishes) which reduces it's conductivity. Copper, is only slightly less conductive but costs much less and is easier to work with. Exposed copper still needs to be plated, with tin/lead being common.

What you are thinking is gold is commonly used is for gold plating contacts. While rather average electrically, in alloy form it's harder than copper or it's tin/lead plating for contacts. That makes connectors with gold plated contacts better for mating cycles. Gold also has an inherent lubricity which is desirable for contacts.

But make no mistake that gold is used for mechanical reasons in electronic circuits, not electrical ones.


RE: Not for me
By ShieTar on 3/1/2013 3:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
Creating it is by no means free. The electricity cost to generate a bitcoin with a modern GPU is several $, and rising fast due to its internal inflation rules.


RE: Not for me
By NellyFromMA on 3/1/2013 3:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
LOL at the thought of beig paid in bitcoins for work. EFF THAT NOISE.


I hate em
By TSS on 3/1/2013 5:02:56 AM , Rating: 4
I hate Bitcoins. There i said it. I have and always hate them and their concept. For a very simple reason.

Right now, we're paying with money that's made up out of thin air. The vast majority of money is virtual, made up by typing numbers into a screen. Now there are some problems with that.

But bitcoins are virtual money, paying with thin air, that you first have to burn a real world lump of coal for, before the numbers are typed into the computer. How else is that GPU getting the power in order to mine bitcoins? the biggest source of power in the world is coal. Wether we have a script add the numbers or a human doesn't matter, they are still digital bits floating around in cyberspace.

This is the madness that i hate. Rather then saying "right we just won't print any more money", we have to burn real world resources to limit the creation of virtual money. It's the ultimate form of decadence. Instead of paying for something with nothing, you pay for something by destroying another thing.

i HATE em. I'd rather return to gold, and i really dislike the gold standard for the same reason, turning a society that has learned to pay for something with nothing back into a medieval society which *has* to pay for something with something else or nothing gets done.

We could just, get this, put it in the constitution that the government is the only entity allowed to print money, and then, in that same constitution, tie the rate of inflation to the rate of growth of last year. 2% growth last year? 2% inflation this year. And then NOBODY gets to change that anymore. It can only possibly be changed by a 2/3rds majority in house, senate, president has to agree AND a referendum has to be held in which >60% of the population votes yes. It'll be a cold day in hell before all of that happens. And when the economy shrinks more or grows less then the numbers allow? TOUGH.

No need for bitcoins or massive lawbooks. The only problem that needs solving is people printing *more* money. Not people printing money.




RE: I hate em
By Mogounus on 3/1/2013 1:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you meant to say to tie the growth of money supply to the rate of growth? You cannot ties inflation of course! What are you going to do; lock up someone for raising their prices by more that 2%? And then how are you going to limit the rate of growth of the money supply? Which one, base money M1, M2, M3? Money is created when banks lend money because debt is money also. You can set reserve limits on banks but that will still not limit inflation because even though banks offer loans you need someone who wants to borrow. When conditions arise that everyone wants to borrow all of a sudden inflation will skyrocket without a change to base money or reserve limits. Maybe your simple solution isn't so simple after all.


RE: I hate em
By NellyFromMA on 3/1/2013 3:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
STOP! You're bursting the bubble for them! lol jk, very valid points.


Incredible
By BTCM on 3/1/2013 10:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
It's been an amazing evolution during the last few months. If you had invested all your money on Bitcoin when it was worth $13 you'd have doubled your money in less than two months. What will 2013 bring to Bitcoin? At the moment it's increasing its at a rate of 10% each week! If you still don't use this virtual currency, start here now! Don't miss the boat! - http://thebitcoinmaster.blogspot.com




RE: Incredible
By ppardee on 3/1/2013 11:51:05 AM , Rating: 2
So you're saying that we should get bitcoins at their inflated price as a way to invest? Buy high, sell low... great advice.


RE: Incredible
By Johnathon Galt on 3/1/2013 4:40:08 PM , Rating: 2
Ben Bernanke is currently creating 85 billion Federal Reserve Notes every month and God only knows when he's going to stop. Probably not until the US Dollar has the same purchasing power as the Zimbabwe Dollar. There will eventually be a total of 21 million bitcoins. That's a ratio of over 4,000 Federal Reserve Notes being created EVERY MONTH for each and every Bitcoin that will ever exist ($85B / 21M BTC = $4047.62). Considering that, I'd say Bitcoins are still pretty cheap. Benny Bucks do have one advantage over Bitcoins. At least you'll be able to use them in your fireplace to keep warm. That's about the only thing they'll be good for in a few years.


RE: Incredible
By schmandel on 3/1/2013 12:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
I have never regretted selling a Bitcoin nor have I ever held any for very long at all.

It was evident more than a year ago that Bitcoin would never be a significant system for legitimate transactions. The ultimately fixed supply of Bitcoins, a built-in increasing cost of producing them, and hoarding makes it very, very late to arrive at this party.

You missed it. Bitcoin is an experiment that has run its course, one than apparently cannot be enhanced or refined to make it widely useful.


Bitcoins are still news?
By kmmatney on 2/28/13, Rating: 0
RE: Bitcoins are still news?
By danielravennest on 2/28/2013 5:43:25 PM , Rating: 1
You don't have to take them seriously, you can stick to serious money like the Dollar, which is now 40% backed by bad mortgages.

If you were an accountant, you would not think verifying past transactions was a waste of time and electricity. Instead of a spreadsheet, bitcoin does it with cryptography and a P2P network. Still the same job, though, making sure all the transactions are correct.


RE: Bitcoins are still news?
By Gondor on 2/28/2013 5:56:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You don't have to take them seriously, you can stick to serious money like the Dollar, which is now 40% backed by bad mortgages.


So you'e saying they (US$) are backed up by something solid for 60% of their value ? Whoa, that's 60% more than what "bitcoins" have for abcking, even if the figure is a tad too optimistic (it's well under 10%, which is still way above 0.00000000000000000000000000% backing of "bitcoins").


By danielravennest on 3/1/2013 6:21:29 PM , Rating: 2
The other 60% are Treasury bonds, issued by a near bankrupt government. Not too encouraging.


RE: Bitcoins are still news?
By schmandel on 2/28/2013 9:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
It's safe to say that Bitcoin would not be around were it not for its use for black market transactions, primarily the Silk Road web site on Tor. There was some early interest in money laundering, but it's just another tool with limitations in this regard and really too small to handle laundering placement volumes for work of consequence. Bitcoin is way too much of a PITA for any legitimate payment system use unless you are some sort of True Believer ;-)

The limited number of Bitcoins is a feature that is a tribute to the idea of money that doesn't inflate due to fixed supply ( e.g. gold ) and all the magical ideological thinking that comes with it.

It is all working out as the creators mush have intended, the coins they mined two years ago for pennies are now worth dollars, a few parties hold nearly all the bitcoins in existence and are the central bankers of this not-so-decentralized currency.

Outside of the transaction engine itself, the Bitcoin infrastructure is remarkably amateurish and crappy, leaving it rife with hacking issues and fraud.

If small time black marketing and wing nut economic theories turn you on, Bitcoin just may be the place for you. However, if Silk Road is broken by law enforcement, I would expect Bitcoin to be gone, gone, gone.


For me!
By petrosy on 2/28/2013 5:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
Bitcoins are great.... Consider it banking for the people by the people.

There is no credit and its easily moved around with out borders and no oone controls it/ The reason it works so well is that there is a limit as in everything. Every time you spend a $ on your CC or bank transfer your data is recorded. The data banks and gov. keep on you make Google look like a baby.

Bitcoins = Freedom .... Global Banking System = Oppression

The fact that the world goverments keep printing cash is the equivilant of sticking ones head up ones ass!




RE: For me!
By schmandel on 3/2/2013 3:15:43 AM , Rating: 2
Truly lame. Slogans aren't ideas, and life is not an editorial cartoon. It is this mentality that insures that Bitcoin will be just another internet sideshow.


By Shadowmaster625 on 3/1/2013 8:40:23 AM , Rating: 2
Only a fool would use as a store of value a currency that went from being worth $2 to $32 in a year. Imagine if the dollar went from being worth 2 to 32 euros in a frickin year. It would kiss its reserve currency status goodbye. (Assuming it was the dollar and not the euro that was so volatile!)




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