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And prices to rise

Over the last several months, a number of top tier companies have been asking customers to return batteries for replacement due to safety concerns. If you have been following the news on DailyTech, a total of roughly 8 million batteries have been recalled worldwide, all of which are manufactured by Sony.

However, there is good news and now there is bad news. The good news is that consumers are being protected from hazards that could cause severe damages or even life threatening situations. Some batteries were found to set laptops on fire. Fortunately, companies were quick to take action and batteries were swapped rather quickly. The bad news is that so many batteries were recalled and not enough were replaced, causing a global shortage of batteries.

Analysts are saying that battery supply is currently at critically low levels on a global scale. Despite being the world's largest lithium cell manufacturer, Sanyo does not have the capacity to supply replacement orders. Samsung SDI Co. also manufactures lithium cells but it too is running low on supply. Nexcell Battery, a Taiwan-based battery manufacturer that produces batteries from cells supplied by Sanyo and Sony said that cells are now very difficult to come by. Eric Lai, manager at Nexcell Battery said "if we ask for small amounts, we might be able to get supply, but if we order large amounts of more than 2000 cells then you can forget about it."

Because of the global shortage, battery prices are also on the rise. According to analysts, prices have jumped as much as 15 percent. IBM, Apple, Lenovo, Hitachi, Toshiba, Dell, Fujitsu, Sharp and many other companies worldwide announced recalls over the last several months. In fact, it's reported that Sony is in the process of destroying over 43 million cells as part of the overall recall. This is as much as 10.8 million batteries said Eric Yu, manager at ETI Pack in Taiwan.

Sony itself has not revealed publicly how many companies in total have recalled batteries that used its cells, and the company is also tight lipped about how much money this recall is costing. So far however, Sony has budgeted at least $251 million for the recall project. Sony now faces stiffer competition from rivals. LG Chem Ltd., South Korea's largest battery manufacturer gained several new customers that were previously ordering from Sony. Celxpert Energy Corp., a supplier for Acer and HP said "we originally bought 30 percent of our battery cells from Sony but have lowered that to almost zero because of quality concerns."



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South Korea's largest battery...
By PrinceGaz on 10/16/2006 4:23:15 PM , Rating: 2
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LG Chem Ltd., South Korea's largest battery gained several new customers that were previously ordering from Sony.


I think that sentence in the last paragraph should read "largest battery manufacturer gained..."




RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Brainonska511 on 10/16/2006 4:41:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:

I think DailyTech news reporters should have a mandatory "preview" option like we have now on the comment section (well..have sometimes..I don't know why but sometimes I can post without having to click preview before).


Maybe you should try using the preview more.


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By The Cheeba on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By PunaProgrammer chris on 10/16/2006 7:39:56 PM , Rating: 3
Does anyone else find these rants extremley entertaining? Unless you are joking, you have some real issues (both nationalist and anti-french). I think the reason you got rated down for your first post is because you corrected the grammar error in an impolite way (with a couple of errors in your own sentence), and the reason the rest of your posts got rated down is because you were being an asshole about being rated down (but very funny).


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By rmaharaj on 10/16/2006 9:32:56 PM , Rating: 4
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Not to finish this, I never in my first post corrected is grammer, I just said is was a funny mistake and that they should have a preview button like we do.

I suggest a simple rule for all would-be grammar police officers:

If you can't spell "grammar," don't try to correct it.


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/2006 9:47:36 PM , Rating: 1
It's a very wise suggestion.

But like you quoted yourself from me, I never did try to correct anyone grammar and would never try to do so (at least not in english) since I for myself do grammar mistake every sentences(even if I do read my preview to find them).


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By bobsmith1492 on 10/16/2006 9:53:19 PM , Rating: 1
It's hilarious... every post you've made is voted down to 1 or less. :P


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/2006 9:59:35 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah just saw it and that does it, who ever is responsible for this will pay as I'm sending a e-mail to Dailytech admins.



RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By Le Québécois on 10/16/2006 10:27:55 PM , Rating: 1
Because in case you weren't talking about that, click on my name, it's happening to about every post I have made this month so far. Until 1h ago I didn't have any post with rating lower than 2(the normal). Now look at it.


RE: South Korea's largest battery...
By UserDoesNotExist on 10/17/2006 9:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
You rudely insult the OP's grammar, while making several grammatical mistakes of your own. You are then downvoted for this reason. One person insults your nationality, and you claim everyone that downvotes you is a racist.

Question, if there were so many racists running around DailyTech, why wouldn't your posts have been downvoted before now? I'm tempted to downvote you just for your puerile (lol, the American used a big word) behavior. But I'm not going to.

Welcome to the Internet.


By Le Québécois on 10/17/2006 5:54:21 PM , Rating: 2
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Sometimes those errors are really fun to read.

I think DailyTech news reporters should a mendatory "preview" option like we have now on the comment section (well..have sometimes..I don't know why but sometimes I can post without having to click preview before).


Now my understanding of the english language is not perfect because like I said it is my second language.

If saying "Sometimes those errors are really fun to read." is being rude I'm sorry for what I said because being rude was far from my idea when I made this post.

Now if you look closely I said those errors and the OP of this news only did one so I was talking here about some of the many errors we daily see on Dailytech, not this one
in particular. As for the second paragraph it was meant as a joke. Here again I fail to see how this was being rude.

Now if I made a general statement on people being racist on anand/daily tech is because of all the post I read every day on those site that are racist, be it agains the French, the Chiness or the arabic comunity in general. Now on the same topic I only began to talk about racist when I was said to be an "elitist french" and that suddently after that post(the one that tagged me as en elitist french)all my previous comments droped down. It's only after seeing that that I made the racist statement. Again I'm sorry as it was not directed at the entire dailytech comunity but at those are in fact racist. You may not be aware of this but many people have no idea of the meaning of my nickname so most of the time unless I'm tagged as a French-Canadian or a French people just don't know it.

As for you last comment I'm surfing the net since 14 years when it was just plain .txt files with sometimes 1 little picture, but sometimes I'm still suprise of how can some people be that immature. Exemple: the one who voted down almost every post I made this month, yesterday around 8h30 east time. Another exemple: the fact that all my post are voted down on this same topic while many of them are simply explanation or answer(like my aproval of not correcting grammar when you can even spell grammar correctly) to other person that at least dare to talk to me and not just put on a negative rating. I understand voting down some post that you didn't like but voting down all the posts made by the op of the post you didn't like because he wrote it, excuse me but it's just plain childish.

Now I keep posting to explain or respond to people for what I posted before even if I know people will just for the fun of it give me again and again negative rating. Why, because I just don't care about my rating, but I care about what people think of me and try my best with every post to explain what and why I did.


$251 mil a little low?
By Knish on 10/16/2006 4:41:43 PM , Rating: 5
Doesn't $251 million seem a little low? If there's 8 million recalled that's something like $31.50 per battery, including cross shipping, disposal, etc. This is going to hurt a lot more than that




RE: $251 mil a little low?
By shadowzz on 10/16/2006 4:58:16 PM , Rating: 1
True, but I read a study when I was in college that less than 10% of stuff that gets recalled actually ends up "recalled." This just covers Sony's ass in case someone gets hurt, but effectively very few people will actually turn their batteries in. Another loss for the consumer I guess.

But anyway, if you figure even 20% of people turn in their batterires, thats like $150 per unit


RE: $251 mil a little low?
By The Cheeba on 10/16/06, Rating: 0
RE: $251 mil a little low?
By Kuroyama on 10/16/2006 5:45:07 PM , Rating: 3
The 10% rate probably applies to a typical recall, but the battery recall has been so highly publicized that the return rate will be much higher. Just like the Firestone tire recall for the Ford Explorer almost certainly had far above 10% return rate.

It probably also doesn't hurt that a battery and tires are fairly high cost items that wear out over time, so we're always glad to jump at the chance of a free replacement for something that would have to be bought soon. If the clock on my microwave were to occasionally reset then I wouldn't bother with a recall fixing it, even if it were annoying, because the microwave will probably work just fine for a long time more.


What is the big deal?
By tlreaves on 10/16/2006 6:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
Does it not bother anybody that you have a better chance of being hit by lightning than having your battery blow-up, catch on fire, smoke, or otherwise? You're more than six times more likely to get struck by lightning than have you battery blow up, and when was the last time your heard a complaint about the number of lightning strikes?

Thats 1:700,000 vs 1:4,300,000.

Give me a break with the crying about batteries. Sony decided to be nice and correct for a statistical anomaly and are getting crucified. What I don't hear about in these melting laptop articles is how well taken care of the computers were when they melted (exhaust clogged, dusty inside, ambient temp, etc...)

P.S. I'm not a Sony fanboy, just tired of media hype.




RE: What is the big deal?
By lemonadesoda on 10/16/2006 7:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
Relax. Don't worry about the numbers. They are irrelevant. It's a political thing. Net-net who wins? Who loses? Nice correlation with international political situation.


RE: What is the big deal?
By MikeO on 10/17/2006 4:38:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What is the big deal?


When Dell made the initial recall of ~4 million units...

quote:
At the moment, this looks like the largest battery recall in the history of the electronics industry, said Roger Kay, an analyst with Endpoint Technologies Associates. "The scale of it is phenomenal."


...and the number is now doubled. I'd say that's a big deal.


RE: What is the big deal?
By Zurtex on 10/17/2006 5:23:26 AM , Rating: 2
How do you work those numbers?

Are you talking about the total number of laptop owners / by the total number of explosions.

Because that's just skewed, you seem to be saying out of the total number of recalls there have only have been 2 "batter[ies] blow-up, catch on fire, smoke, or otherwise"

Yet there have been more photos / videos on the web of individual incidents. I'm not saying all of those actually happened, they may well not have, but where are you getting this number from?

Furthermore, most of the battery recalls aren't due to hazards, just that the batteries occasionally randomly cut out when they are not supposed to, or otherwise behave in an odd manner.


Recall compensation
By crystal clear on 10/17/2006 12:10:32 AM , Rating: 3
Very good this subject is given a boost -resulting from Brandon Hill s article on Sony batteries to which I commented & brought this story to everybody to think about.See below

RE: Think ahead
By crystal clear on 10/16/06, Rating: 2
By crystal clear on 10/16/2006 5:57:04 AM , Rating: 2

also this-
"Toshiba, Fujitsu May Ask Sony for Recall Compensation (Update1)"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&si...

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You should have tackled the Recall Compensation element.
It will Hit Sony VERY HARD where it really hurts,as all laptop manufacturers will sue for compensation in addition to recall/replacement expenses.
In $ terms it will be huge-not only the compensations plus the losses in share prices/stock exchange/investor confidence/etc etc.
A chain reaction of losses in the short/medium terms.




RE: Recall compensation
By Optimizer on 10/17/2006 2:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
Toshiba wants compensation from Sony over batteries? You know, I hope they do get compensated... to the same extent they compensated Satellite Pro 6100 owners... Now that would be some fine karma!


RE: Recall compensation
By crystal clear on 10/17/2006 11:50:09 AM , Rating: 3
"Sony battles for credibility after recall warning"

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4e3720e0-531c-11db-99c5-00...


sony screws the world
By Lazarus Dark on 10/17/2006 4:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
As if prices weren't high enough! They were just starting to come down to reasonable levels. That one company (t-something) was gonna make a car using liion batterys after they got that supercar rolling. now how long will it take for prices to come back down. And other mobile energy solutions like hydrogen fuel cell, there was already concern enough, now how long till we can trust a potentially more flamable mobile power type.

sony has infact screwed the whole world with this debacle. (well at least a little rootkit doesn't seem as bad now *rolleyes*)




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