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AMD memo leaked to DailyTech shows Phenom availability

AMD and Intel have historically traded the title of the best performing CPUs. Recently, however, the battle has been largely one-sided with Intel taking the volume and performance crown.

AMD hopes to change that with the release of its new Phenom processors. MSI was the first mainboard manufacturer to announce an RD790 mainboard, the K9A2 Platinum, for the quad-core and tri-core Phenom's. Mainboards from ASUS and Gigabyte based on RD790 were announced in October and also support Phenom quad-core processors.

More details of the AMD platform launch that included the Phenom, the RD790 chipset and the RV670 graphics processor surfaced early in November. DailyTech reported early in November 2007 on the pricing structure of the Phenom processors ranging from about $280 to $330 USD. 

An AMD internal memos hows the AMD Phenom 9700, 2.4 GHz processor is slated for mid-December availability. Allocation for the Phenom 9600 running at 2.3GHz has been pushed back to a Q1 2008 date.

The Tech Report, in an interview with AMD's desktop product marketing manager Michael Saucier, confirmed an erratum for all Phenom processors that will cause the system to hang due to an L3 cache miss.  The Tech Report claims this fix will degrade performance as much at 10%.

The mainboard favored by AMD, the MSI K9A2 Platinum is impossible to get currently since it is out of stock. MSI confirmed to DailyTech that this board will start shipping again next week, and that the board itself is not with any defect, but just in high demand and low availability.



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Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By MagnumMan on 12/4/2007 1:47:35 PM , Rating: 3
I've got 4 video cards, a Koolance rig, a Phenom 9500, memory, hard drives... basically everything except I can't find a darn MSI K9A2! Koolance will be shipping water blocks for the 3870, I want to set up a quad 3870 setup, water cooled, with SAS support. Only the K9A2 Platinum will get me there within budget! Come on MSI, don't fail me now!




RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By SeeManRun on 12/4/2007 1:51:53 PM , Rating: 5
What a ridiculously over powered system! What do you use that rig for? Heating your house? Maybe for crunching global warming data?


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By DM0407 on 12/4/2007 2:00:31 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
What a ridiculously over powered system! What do you use that rig for? Heating your house? Maybe for crunching global warming data?


lol, after months of number crunching this supercomputer shows that in just 10 years, no one will give a shit about global warming-the ice caps will still be there!

Man-Bear-Pig is the real danger.... I'm wicked cereal!


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By dgingeri on 12/4/2007 3:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What a ridiculously over powered system! What do you use that rig for? Heating your house? Maybe for crunching global warming data?


Sorry, that would not be an overpowered system. it would be too processor limited to do anything really powerful. The 2.4Ghz Phenom isn't enough to drive those 4 video cards. you'd have to get up to at least 3Ghz with a Phenom to get the best performance from those video cards, maybe higher.

My A64 6400+ would outperform that in most things.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By ImSpartacus on 12/4/2007 3:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. It's almost depressing that the chipset that allows the most graphical power (scaling problems aside) has a cpu that can't keep up.

I doubt that's too much of a problem though, because those quad 3870's won't be worth too much more than dual 3870's.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By MagnumMan on 12/4/2007 3:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
This is more of an experiment and desire to push the envelope more than anything else. I wanted to get into water cooling. Almost everything is there to do it. I'm certain that we'll see 3GHz Phenoms next year, and who knows how far I can push the one I got. If I am CPU bound on the rig, there are solutions on the horizon.

Once customers are using a solution the companies have to support them (or risk the consequences of not..). If everyone was too afraid to set up a rig like this then the companies would drop support for it. (Hopefully this doesn't end up like QuadFX). I'm simply curious what this combination of stuff can do, and I'm sure it will get better over time with driver support and whatnot.

It's also a "Far Cry" from my Athlon XP 3200+ with GeForce 7600GT... why not push the envelope a little when you upgrade?


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By MGSsancho on 12/4/2007 4:33:28 PM , Rating: 2
take pics and post them. and there are cases where you can use all that GPU power. like AA. again post pics and benchies :)


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/4/2007 9:54:01 PM , Rating: 3
I would also say that, without knowing what You are working on :), You'll have space for PowerUps!! when HOPEFULLY some GPU drivers with FPU like support, using all those shaders You plan for, a whopping 1280(!), will show up soon.

At least there's some buzzing about it once in a while around the net!
- Come on Nvidia and AMD/ATI!! It can't be THAT difficult to invoke some callable routines in the drivers that can be used outside a Graphics context. What's the problem?

Anyone?

--

So to conclude: If the Phenom/4x3870 can deliver, say, >1 TFlops using about 500 Watt wouldn't it be sweet enough to be considered usefull for some people (amateur scientists, 3DMax/Maya etc.) for around $2000-2500?

I know it's not for most people but evolution is mostly driven by stuff like this. The V8 Turbocharged Rocketfueled NitroChrome Bit-cruncher is ALWAYS welcome :)

At least to see where we're going.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Shoal07 on 12/5/2007 2:40:08 PM , Rating: 2
The fastest computer in my house right now is a Barton 2800+ OC'd to something like 2.4ghz, 1GB DDR and a 6800GT. I still can play whatever game I want, just not maxed. I still play at atleast med. settings. Of course, I haven't tried crysis, but I don't care much for it anyway. I do plan to upgrade in Jan, likely to a Quad intel chip and 8800GT, but I am in no rush. That $700 computer back in 2003 was the best computing investment I ever made, price/performance wise. I've only upgraded the vid card one time (from a 5900 something).

Seriously, I can play RTSs, MMOs, WOW, DAOC (yes, DAOC) and I don't have any issues.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By rogard on 12/4/2007 7:06:17 PM , Rating: 3
I cannot follow you there: you bought 4 gfx cards and all the other not exactly cheap stuff, and now all of a sudden you start worrying about your budget? Strange world...


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/4/2007 10:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Have it occurred to You (even though You could be right too) that he had gotten som amount of money besides the pay-roll check (which might be used for daily living with no space for upgrades?) and can finally buy his new dream sytem after some years,maybe...

This is not to take the words out of his mouth, but I am soon to be able to do just that too. The only thing I can say is that the CHOICE of ATI for graphics I'll agree in. I'm really concerned at the moment, if AMD can deliver Phenoms that are both ERRORFREE (well, the L3-thing anyway. ErrorFREE is as good as impossible in current PC-CPUs) and FASTER.

Until then Core2Duo is also getting my attention. (Not to mention SSD's and Fanless PSU etc. to FINALLY shot that mother-f#¤%&@ up!)


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/4/2007 11:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, spell correction:

"...to finally SHUT the ..."


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Anosh on 12/4/2007 7:16:00 PM , Rating: 2
They are available in Scandinavia and cost around 240 bucks.. would you like me to ship you one?

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=244872&ref=10...


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By JumpingJack on 12/4/2007 11:43:06 PM , Rating: 1
Ohhhh, man, I hope you don't end up buggered (literally), you do realize that most everyone is reporting lockup and stability problems, and this is with just one graphics card.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/5/2007 12:02:45 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously ???

Links?


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By JumpingJack on 12/5/2007 1:28:28 AM , Rating: 1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2226939...
quote:
Stability is an equally important axis in computer performance, and the story isn't particularly robust yet. Earlier, we noted the inability of the platform to run Adobe After Effects CS3. In our game testing, the Supreme Commander benchmark crashed several times, while Quake Wars: Enemy Territory locked up once. Thermal issues didn't seem to be the culprit here. It's very likely another BIOS update or two for the motherboard will be needed to fix these issues.


http://www.legitreviews.com/article/597/4/

quote:
The spider platform looks good overall if you ignore some bugs they have right now.
...
the processor we did have had a number of issues that added up.
...
AMD's Phenom Processor falls short of expectations and needs to have the bugs worked out with higher clock frequencies.


http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13633
quote:
AMD's plan to release an unlocked version of the Phenom 9600 may help tip the scales in the 9600's favor for some folks, but I suspect they won't find much overclocking headroom in those chips. In fact, our 2.6GHz engineering sample wasn't 100% stable, which is why you won't find any overclocking results in this review.
(of course this is an engineering sample)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/processor/477/12
quote:
Now the other part of the Spider project ... really impressive is the new AMD 790FX chipset we tested. Surely we had a number of bugs
(This guy was happy witht he platform, sorely disppointed in the CPU)

From the forums: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p...
quote:
I've been play with it for a couple days now, and not have gotten it completely stable


But the biggest one, the one that will eat their lunch... is here:
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13721

They had to stop shipping Barcelona because of it ... no tier 1 OEM has shipped one, not a single box, with a dual socket Barcey/Opteron quad.

quote:
AMD's quad-core "Barcelona" Opterons have been notably difficult to find since their introduction two months ago, and The Tech Report has learned that a chip-level problem has impacted the supply of these chips to both server OEMs and distribution channel customers.


OEM vendors are steering people away from this chip:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=7226
quote:
If you call an OEM today to get an AMD quad-core powered system, you’re
likely to get a pitch for an Intel system or an AMD dual-core chip. Why? Quad-core Opterons, those formerly known as Barcelona chips, are in short supply.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/5/2007 4:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"So overall I'm not at all disappointed by AMD Phenom at all. It's just that we were all expecting a little more." - guru3d.com


So, what he says is that a updated Phenom performs well, but the speed is behind, compared to Intel. But viewed by price/performance, Phenoms aren't that bad.

I'm confident that AMD will get the problems with Phenoms solved. Also needing motherboard BIOS updates incl. some new micro code. OK, the Phenoms gets slower (VERY bad indeed!) but at least it can run :-/

I referred to the DFI motherboard btw. regarding links, not the Phenom :)

But thanks for that comprehensive list anyway. Pretty much sums up the Phenoms 'phenomenon' :)


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/5/2007 4:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh, I reffered to the DFI AND HD3870. my bad..


By JumpingJack on 12/6/2007 1:24:32 AM , Rating: 1
Well, I thought you were challenging the assertion that I stated it is a bit buggy.

I have not doubt these will iron out, but it has been a while since a major product launch where I have seen such a large number of 'stability is a problem' statements, not that it never happened... in those cases, I also recommend people to wait if asked.


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Clauzii on 12/5/2007 12:14:46 AM , Rating: 2
Seems like most are ok when they use ATIs Driver Cleaner and THEN installs the cards, 2 at a time if You'd wish.

No big deal...


RE: Waiting for a K9A2 Platinum!
By Martimus on 12/5/2007 1:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
Really? I haven't had any issues yet, but then I have only had it for a week. I guess I should look up these issues to see if I can curb them. So far I have heard more about of issues with the 8800GT locking up or completely dying (http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/default.aspx#318), but they have been out longer, so of course I would hear more about those problems.


By JumpingJack on 12/7/2007 2:41:53 AM , Rating: 2
Consider yourself lucky then I suspect, I linked several sites above that reported problems from glitches to simply not being able to run some software.

Of course, not all the glitches are CPU related, far from it... but AMD is trying to sell the platform here, and the OP was looking to build this platform, he should be aware that it is still buggy ... most of which will likely get squashed with BIOS and driver updates as many are likely chipset and GPU related as well.


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