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San Diego resident rains on Microsoft's Halo 3 party

Halo 3 has been a huge success for Microsoft. The game launched in late September for the Xbox 360 and raked in $170 million USD on the first day alone. First week sales for the positively-rated game crossed the $300 million USD threshold.

The strong launch of Halo 3 even allowed Microsoft to brush past Nintendo's ever-dominant Wii for the month of September -- 527,000 Xbox 360s were sold during the month compared to 501,000 for the Wii. To add even ammunition for Microsoft's ego, the company announced that its record Q1 profits were due in part to the success of Halo 3.

It's now time, however, for Microsoft to come back down to earth. The company is being sued by a San Diego gamer who claims that Halo 3 is a defective product that causes his Xbox 360 to frequently crash.

Randy Nunez filed a lawsuit with the U.S. District Court in Southern California stating that the game "consistently causes the Xbox 360 to crash, freeze, or lock up while the game is being played."

The lawsuit goes on to add, "Many consumers have reported that the Halo 3 video game has caused their Xbox 360 to crash and remain totally inoperable after playing the Halo 3 video game. Manifold recent consumer complaints on industry Internet websites, weblogs and message boards reflect the existence of the design and/or manufacturing defect in the Defendant’s Halo 3 video game."

Nunez is hoping to achieve class action status for the lawsuit. The plaintiff is also seeking unspecified damages for his hardship.

Although there has been an air of positivity surrounding the Xbox 360 of late, it was just a few months ago that Microsoft took the drastic step to extend the warranty of its console due to excess heat problems and RRoDs. More recently, GameStop dropped its in-store warranty packages for the Xbox 360.



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What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/2007 10:17:17 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
The plaintiff is also seeking unspecified damages for his hardship.

Hardships? Because you couldn't continue your ways of being socially denied while locking yourself in yourbedroom? Its a freakin game.

What a loser.




RE: What the?
By Moishe on 11/28/2007 10:26:34 AM , Rating: 5
I like how we're defining hardship these days!
a few years ago hardship would be not being able to eat or to keep your job... now if we're very slightly inconvenienced it's a hardship.

I hate to break it to this Nunez guy (and his corrupt lawyers) but when true hardship hits this guy is going to instantly fall over and die.

People like this need to have a little hardship forced on them to provide some perspective. There are people being raped and pillaged for no fault of there own in a lot of places. Maybe we should just drop him off there and leave him for a week and see how he likes it. What a money-grubbing jerk.


RE: What the?
By Aarnando on 11/28/2007 10:53:23 AM , Rating: 4
In one way, I'm happy that the greatest hardship for many Americans is that they can't play Halo 3 because there xBox is crashing. In a thousand other ways, I'm sad that some people believe they deserve compensation for such hardship.



RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: What the?
By sweetsauce on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: What the?
By Bioniccrackmonk on 11/28/2007 11:57:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dont you find it interesting that the anti war, environmentalist, and left wingers are "anti-kill" everything from birds to whales.....except they want the right to kill unborn children. Your right, it does go both ways doesnt it?


You just lumped together three groups of people which have nothing to do with each other to try and make a point that is completely unrelated.

Based on your statement, it would appear that you lean so far to the right that you don't even have a left side of your body. You are probably right though, we should just go back to the dark ages where religion was the law of the land and anything that goes against the church was dealt with by burning the herectic/heathen at the stake. Geocentric universe here we come. GOD WILLS IT!!!!!!!


RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: What the?
By howtochooseausername on 11/28/2007 12:51:16 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think that environmentalists are about saving "a" animal or "a" tree. They are concerned about the global eco-system. They believe that the plants and animals that are threatened are usefull to our eco-system and thir "large-scale" disappearance will have a negative impact on us humans.

While some environmentalists are "pro-choice" many are "pro-life". Example, the current Pontif believes in Global Warming, and tells Christians to save the earth against environmental damage. Obviously he's against abortion.


RE: What the?
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 12:53:25 PM , Rating: 1
Thats because people are scum. Compare how much money is donated to humanitarian efforts like feeding the homeless compared to save the whales or trees or whatever. People don't care as much for other people because they believe they should take care of themselves, but "dumb" animals don't know any better.


RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 12:53:27 PM , Rating: 2
Lean to the right? Is that your attempt at humor? I personally think it's none of your business, or anybody else's business to tell anyone what to do with their body. After all you've said about avoiding gov't control, and people taking responsibility for their own actions, are you now telling me that you think there should be legislation allowing/controlling/limiting a woman's right to terminate their pregnancy?

Vanilla


RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 1:20:27 PM , Rating: 4
Well, there are alot less whales than babies....

V.


RE: What the?
By Moishe on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 2:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
You're right. I prefer my babies with bbq sauce.

Vanilla


RE: What the?
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 2:44:02 PM , Rating: 1
Whale meat doesn't really taste good anyways. The Japanese are using their old stock for dog food now. Instead of human babies, how about we eat baby polar bears? They'll just drown anyways once the ice melts, and size wise they are pretty close. Plus you get a really cool hat afterwards.


RE: What the?
By jhinoz on 11/29/2007 12:22:47 AM , Rating: 1
well it tastes good enough to serve up in a curry apparently

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/27/2102...


RE: What the?
By nikon133 on 11/29/2007 3:12:36 PM , Rating: 1
And without whales' song, Earth is doomed. Ask Captain Kirk.


RE: What the?
By Drexial on 11/29/2007 10:06:32 AM , Rating: 1
i do agree with you to an extent. the thing about hippies that are for animal rights is they put animals before people. abortions aside, what about workers rights or race relations. If people cant treat people like people, how do you expect them to care about treating animals like people?

its such a waste. but its a way for white upper class crackers to feel like they are doing something good without really having to get in anyones face. after all i've never seen a PETA prick get teargassed and beaten like i have people supporting workers rights. its cause people care so little about animals rights, they don't even care about putting effort fighting off the protesters.


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 2:30:34 PM , Rating: 2
Let me save us some time. The argument is really about when a baby becomes a person. People have different views on this, but there's no clear-cut answer. When a baby does become a person, it has certain unalienable rights which include the right to life.

The disagreement is over axioms - on both sides of the aisle.


RE: What the?
By Spivonious on 11/28/2007 12:53:51 PM , Rating: 1
Have you ever noticed that it's "Pro-Choice" and not "Pro-Abortion"? All these people want is the right to make the decision themselves. The government does not need to stick its hands in everything.

With that said, I'd never support anyone who accidentally got pregnant and now wants an abortion. You made the choice to get so drunk that you didn't realize you had sex, so now you live with the consequences.

It's time people learned about responsibility.


RE: What the?
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 1:12:16 PM , Rating: 2
"Why do you condone killing babies?"

"Uh, cause its easy?"

"Yes, so easy..."


RE: What the?
By NainoKami on 11/29/2007 7:48:08 AM , Rating: 2
Well in that little hypothetical situation you don't consider how much a child may suffer from being brought up by a mother who wasn't ready to have the child. The mother could for all we know be a 16 year-old girl who didn't know any better, but certainly isn't ready to be a mother.

I would say there's a good chance the child will get e lousy, confusing, and frustrating childhood, and may - just may - have been better off not having been born.

Mark me down now...

Aani


RE: What the?
By Spivonious on 11/29/2007 2:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh, but see that's what adoption is for.


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 12:18:52 PM , Rating: 3
No, it is related. Blanket statements may not be appropriate, but there is a correlation.


RE: What the?
By peter7921 on 11/28/2007 12:21:43 PM , Rating: 4
Don't you find it also interesting that pro-war, capital punishment loving, etc.. are aqainst killing an unborn fetus, that is essentially no different than killing a few cells. It goes both ways again!!

Yay this is fun!!!


RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 12:57:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Environmentalist would rather all humans die, and the earth would be perfect


I usually try to ready your posts with an open mind, but when you go and say ridiculous things like this, I can't help but want to call you an idiot. Think before you type.

Vanilla


RE: What the?
By borismkv on 11/28/2007 1:03:52 PM , Rating: 2
And yet, there are extremist groups that actually think that...
http://www.vhemt.org/


RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 1:10:01 PM , Rating: 3
There is a difference between Extremist Groups and Environmentalists . No doubt there are a select group of extremists that feel this way, but to make a blanket statement like that to include all environmentalist is not accurate.

Vanilla


RE: What the?
By xti on 11/28/2007 1:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
was funny imo


RE: What the?
By SilthDraeth on 11/28/2007 1:07:08 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is, capital punishment is about punishing someone that committed a crime, where as abortion, the fetus has committed no crime.

I don't think anyone is truly pro-war, but that we believe the alternative to fighting a war on foreign soil, would mean more attacks on home soil, and the men and women fighting the war, are volunteers. They voluntarily signed up for the military.


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 2:34:13 PM , Rating: 2
Again, blanket statements aren't appropriate, but there is a correlation. Many people regard a fetus as a person - after all, aren't you simple a bunch of cells?


RE: What the?
By Moishe on 11/28/2007 12:52:44 PM , Rating: 3
Let the ignorant religion and political bashing commence!

Huzzah!


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
It'd be nice if everybody could cool it.


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 12:16:13 PM , Rating: 4
I've gotta say I disagree. For all we know this guy spent X hours on the phone, bringing RMAs to the post office, etc and still has nothing to show for it. If that's the case, he should be paid for the time it took, because honestly, this never should have gotten so far. If that's the case. We don't know.


RE: What the?
By aos007 on 11/28/2007 12:40:59 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right, I didn't think of it that way. Imagine the guy was simply trying to get his defective disc replaced and was constantly stonewalled by Microsoft. He might have spent many hours simply trying to get someone to acknowledge a defective product and get his replacement. If that's true, it tells more about the quality of "customer service" than anything else and I think he'd be right to sue.

Personally I had to wait more than 2 months to receive my RROD Xbox360 replacement and I had to call Microsoft about 6-7 times and Purolator (shipping company) 2-3 times, sometimes being on hold for almost an hour. At least I got mine back in the end.

He should've taken them to small claims court though (if you have that in the States).


RE: What the?
By rudy on 11/28/2007 3:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
You can counter sue for court fees and it is possible to win.


RE: What the?
By zombiexl on 11/28/2007 10:38:52 AM , Rating: 2
Come on now, maybe he lost some online matches due to the crashes. Its hurting his gamer score. That should be worth at least 6 million USD, right?


RE: What the?
By imaheadcase on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By Oregonian2 on 11/28/2007 2:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
You know those DVD's with commercials built-in who's patent was in an article yesterday? Perhaps that could be the basis for a class action lawsuit for the anguish caused by having the movie interrupted and being forced to see a commercial. Likewise the broadcast networks could be sued for the same reason! Utter mental anguish, perhaps even marked for life!


RE: What the?
By Christopher1 on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By rcc on 11/28/2007 3:02:27 PM , Rating: 3
Fine, so you demand your $60 back.


RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/2007 3:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
Ok that may be the first thing that Vanilla Ice and I agree on today...


RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 3:54:35 PM , Rating: 3
Right or left, liberal or conservative, I don't think there's much room for debate in the area of pedophilia/child molestation. Too bad this had to be our common ground...lol.

Vanilla


RE: What the?
By mdogs444 on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What the?
By robinthakur on 11/29/2007 6:32:12 AM , Rating: 2
(I suspect you're just a teen troll but anyway...)

No, YOU are the US's version of Islamofascism, you're just unaware of it because you somehow think you're in the majority. Both you, those that form your extreme group and the Islamofascists display their homophobia as a seeming badge of honour, when it actually marks you out as the backward, sad, fiction-worshipping Savages that you are.

'Those people' as you condescendingly reference them in SF are some of the most American people in the US as I see it in the UK, because they are fighting for their own rights to liberty and freedom from oppression which, shockingly, is tacitly endorsed and sanctioned by your government and your president. A little empathy is all that's needed but you probably never bothered learning that word...As for them 'defying the american people', dont assume that a majority shares your narrow, neo-fascist world view when they see that the lives they either enrich or ruin are their children's, their parent's and their relatives'.

I'm not really sure how you relate gay people to paedophiles, and it makes you seem really ignorant, like you've never even left your state. One is legal behaviour between two consenting adults and the other is illegal sexual predation in most civilised countries in case you're unclear.


RE: What the?
By clovell on 11/29/2007 12:48:52 PM , Rating: 3
One extreme for another, eh?

mdogs is expressing an opinion, not declaring Jihad and training suicide bombers. Maybe in your disillusioned world of touchy-feely things they're comparable, but in reality, they're night and day.

Furthermore, he didn't say much of anything about homosexual people - I took it to mean that there are lots of protests and lawsuits against the government that come out of SF - some seemingly for the sole sake of dissention.

Call me a provincial neo-con, but I think you took it the wrong way. Even if I'm wrong on this, you crying foul when folks bash on homosexual people and, in the same breath, bashing on religious people, isn't the best way to get your point across.


RE: What the?
By Vanilla Thunder on 11/28/2007 3:52:43 PM , Rating: 3
It's sad to see that I got voted down for this. This guy is a self proclaimed pedophile. Look at some of his posts. Google his screen name. It's bonafide. Downmodding me is no different than shaking his hand and telling him what a great job he's doing. Fools.

Vanilla "I don't touch kids" Thunder


RE: What the?
By slickr on 11/29/2007 4:32:36 AM , Rating: 2
He is not a looser. He is actually a smart guy, do you know how much money will that guy take if he wins this thing?
Apart from him being socially denied thats another thing though and i agree with you.


LOL
By mfed3 on 11/28/2007 10:14:09 AM , Rating: 5
lol this is so false, theres nothing wrong with halo 3, its got to be his launch 360. just call up ms, they send you a pre paid shipping box, and it gets fixed in 2 weeks. stop whining.




RE: LOL
By omnicronx on 11/28/2007 10:18:45 AM , Rating: 2
He has to be a moron to sue about this, as you are probably right, his 360 is probably the issue, and will probably get thrown out as soon as it gets to court.

P.S Even if it was a defect, what gives him the right to sue. When 1-2 million copies of a product are released, you are sure to have some bad apples.


RE: LOL
By 16nm on 11/28/2007 10:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
Well, California is a place where they make free men out of murderers, so I'm not so sure a case like this can not succeed there. It certainly would not be shocking to see it move forward.


RE: LOL
By omnicronx on 11/28/2007 10:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
We are not talking about a class action suit here, It's one person suing Microsoft. Regardless of California's law's I will be very surprised if this goes anywhere, especially when Microsoft would probably rather pay to make the problem go away instead of dragging on in court.


RE: LOL
By Treckin on 11/28/2007 11:05:45 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, MS has a habit of doing the opposite -- dragging it out in court until the other parties law expenses are incredible... then settling for a minuscule amount.


RE: LOL
By Drexial on 11/29/2007 11:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nunez is hoping to achieve class action status for the lawsuit.


RE: LOL
By Mitch101 on 11/28/2007 10:30:20 AM , Rating: 5
You are so right. Wow Imagine if everyone could sue all the software companies because of a bad stick of ram.

All Microsoft has to do is buy a 360 off the shelf, set it up and take this kids disc and let it run for several hours.


RE: LOL
By NicePants42 on 11/28/2007 11:31:53 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
All Microsoft has to do is buy a 360 off the shelf, set it up and take this kids disc and let it run for several hours.


Defense: "Your honor, in order to prove that there is no fault with the game itself, we would like to run the disc in our own XBox360 for a few hours to show the court that the game is functional."

Judge: "You may proceed. Would the prosecution please give the disc in question to the defense."

Defense: "Thank you, your honor."
Inserts disc into Xbox360, joins a multiplayer game and begins playing.
...Shit!

Judge, observing game: "Ha ha ha, you just got lazored. Motion to let the judge play. Motion granted. Prosecution, please pass the controller.

Prosecution: "Objection, your honor, is this really appropriate?"

Judge: "STFU n00b. 90 minute recess."


RE: LOL
By StevoLincolnite on 11/28/2007 12:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
Or, it will just crash, happened to Microsoft a few years ago when they were showing off an Operating System. (Windows XP I think?)


RE: LOL
By borismkv on 11/28/2007 12:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
RE: LOL
By AmbroseAthan on 11/28/2007 12:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
Please give this man a 6, I laughed out loud at the ending of that skit.


RE: LOL
By Screwballl on 11/28/2007 12:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot the part about how the system goes to RRoD after an hour and the case got dismissed because of lack of evidence... meanwhile the exhibits are enjoyed by those in the lock storage room


RE: LOL
By zombiexl on 11/28/2007 10:36:19 AM , Rating: 2
2 weeks? You must have never had to use the coffin. It takes at least a month to get anything back from the date of the call.

MS still owes me a call from 2 months ago when i called to complain my DLC wont work on the refurb they sent me. They said they would reassign it to my new serial, 2 months later my wife still cant use the DLC i downloaded with my account before the repair.


RE: LOL
By Screwballl on 11/28/2007 11:08:49 AM , Rating: 2
It could be either or...
the game itself could be defective, he should be able to go to his local store and exchange it, if it does the same thing with the second disc then it is his system which he would need to send off for repair or replacement.
Everything should be fixable, no need for a lawsuit.


RE: LOL
By djcameron on 11/28/2007 11:10:54 AM , Rating: 3
The only thing worse than a used car salesman is a lawyer.

William Shakespeare had it right, "The first thing we do, kill all the lawyers."


RE: LOL
By tallcool1 on 11/28/2007 11:49:59 AM , Rating: 2
You could be onto something there. Most people I would hope are aware by now of the very poorly designed XBOX360 (33% failure rate), that the hardware is likely failing, and perhaps the software is ok.

I wouldn't rule out that Halo3 may need a software patch to fix some possible issues. It's not like somebody died or was financially ruined because their game crashed, just another frivolous lawsuit.


Sued for crashing?
By wordsworm on 11/28/2007 10:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
If he wins, does that mean I can get my money back for Windows ME? Or are the statutes of limitations up? Man, if they got sued for Xbox, that could really open a flood gate against them.




RE: Sued for crashing?
By mmntech on 11/28/2007 11:50:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. Making the assumption that the guy is in the right, and he wins, this could end up being a landmark case for the gaming industry. I've bought a few PC games over the years that were so buggy, they were unplayable. If the problem is in the programming and not the disc, you can't return or exchange it. Then you're forced to wait for a patch, and often, they don't fix the problem or end up causing more.
This would encourage better quality control at the programming and testing levels. I mean, when you're putting down $50 or $60 a game, you expect it to work if you meet or exceed the recommended requirements.


RE: Sued for crashing?
By Moishe on 11/28/2007 12:41:33 PM , Rating: 3
The entire world works on the basis that you can always do better but that there is a threshold where something is "good enough".

This isn't a bad thing at all. If a game were to be certified perfectly without bugs before release (on threat of lawsuit) it would cost a fortune to either make a bug free game, or you'd simply have to calculate the cost to defend/settle the lawsuit and include that in the price of the game.

Ta-da... just like a lot of other products in the world, a lawsuit happy society just forced prices to double or triple. All games become $200. because that's either the cost of a bug-free game or a cost of the game plus lawsuit costs.

We have too many people who feel entitled to have everything their way and the lawyers are just loving it. This is a classic case of a small number of idiots potentially ruining it for the rest of us. I'm annoyed at the companies doing a crappy job, but for Pete's sake, we should be voting with our dollars, not trying to change things by greedily suing everyone in sight.


RE: Sued for crashing?
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 1:03:35 PM , Rating: 2
So its too much to ask that a program you purchase work as intented? Good enough is fine, but releasing a game or program buggy beyond use is negligent. It shouldn't cost $200 just to ensure a playable game, right?


RE: Sued for crashing?
By Moishe on 11/28/2007 1:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
It does work as intended. They sold millions of them that work just fine, by far the vast majority.

I'm not saying Microsoft shouldn't fix the problem, *they should*, but a fluke or a small percentage of problem overall does not warrant a lawsuit.

If Microsoft made Halo3 and 90% of the games did not work and they refused to replace them? Hell yes, they'd be begging for a class-action. This is nothing like that. Scale matters.


RE: Sued for crashing?
By clovell on 11/28/2007 2:47:29 PM , Rating: 2
> I'm not saying Microsoft shouldn't fix the problem, *they should*, but a fluke or a small percentage of problem overall does not warrant a lawsuit.

If Microsoft refuses to make it right, it does warrant a lawsuit.


RE: Sued for crashing?
By Moishe on 11/29/2007 8:24:55 AM , Rating: 2
The only way a lawsuit is reasonable for a single situation is when there is a debate about who the fault lies with. That only happens if a failure falls outside of a normal warranty situation.

My personal opinion is that if Microsoft and a customer disagreed in a certain situation, it still does not warrant a large lawsuit. If the guy lost a disc, let MS give him a disc. If his 3609 is broken, let MS fix it. Add the cost of his attorney fees (ONLY IF HE WINS). Escalating this to the millions of dollars is ridiculous.

If the guy sues and the judge rules against him, he should have to pay a portion of Microsoft's legal fees. There should be consequences to frivolous lawsuits.


RE: Sued for crashing?
By McFatty on 11/28/2007 2:11:21 PM , Rating: 2
"Ta-da... just like a lot of other products in the world, a lawsuit happy society just forced prices to double or triple"

Maybe use your brain before you make a statement like that. I'm REALLY sick of people assuming because a company saves money they'll pass the savings on to the consumer. How often do you see that?

-Microsoft makes billions on Windows, and it costs a fortune and runs for crap.
-Oil companies are posting record profits, but fuel is at record prices.
-Insurance prices are skyrocketing, despite making huge profits.

Companies like money. They don't give it away because they have lots of it.


lol
By zinfamous on 11/28/2007 10:35:33 AM , Rating: 3
where is the violin emoticon?




RE: lol
By therealnickdanger on 11/28/2007 10:48:43 AM , Rating: 2
Forget that, where's the "insert shotgun in mouth and pull trigger" emoticon?


RE: lol
By FITCamaro on 11/28/2007 11:19:44 AM , Rating: 2
2nd that.


RE: lol
By clovell on 11/28/2007 3:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still looking for the know-wtf-is-really-going-on-before-making-a-knee-je rk-judgement icon.


Halo fanatics suck....
By wingless on 11/28/2007 12:18:01 PM , Rating: 1
Bitchassed Halo fans can't wait for a patch? Its probably that beta 360 he bought because he didn't have the sense to wait it out for a revision.

Seriously though, if you feel the need to be all litigious over a damned game then your life = fail. American video game culture is going down the drain and its taking our citizens with it.

He needs to STFU and go buy Mass Effect.




RE: Halo fanatics suck....
By BansheeX on 11/28/2007 6:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
No, he needs to stfu and buy a PS3. Honestly, when something breaks or frustrates you to the point that you want to sue, you don't sue, you just stop rewarding that company with more of your money and go to the other side. Christ, MS can probably pay to fix RRODs with netplay fee income, and you'll essentially have paid for the new console yourself.


RE: Halo fanatics suck....
By mdogs444 on 11/28/2007 6:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
Thats your take? Just buy a PS3 and all will be well?

I dont care for this guy, or his false frivolous lawsuit either. In fact, I think he should be liable in court for the same amount that he is trying to sue for.

But when your reply is "buy a PS3", thats kind of bunk. Its a nice piece of hardware, plays high def movies, has great graphics, etc. But one of the reasons people buy consoles is for the games that are available on them...as well as the price. So the answer isnt as easy as buy a PS3 - its more like, if you dont mind not playing the exclusive games and chunking about a few hundred more dollars, then buy a PS3.

Either way, theres nothing wrong w/ a PS3. But if someones Honda breaks down, you don't tell them to go buy a Lexus.


RE: Halo fanatics suck....
By mdogs444 on 11/28/2007 6:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
Thats your take? Just buy a PS3 and all will be well?

I dont care for this guy, or his false frivolous lawsuit either. In fact, I think he should be liable in court for the same amount that he is trying to sue for.

But when your reply is "buy a PS3", thats kind of bunk. Its a nice piece of hardware, plays high def movies, has great graphics, etc. But one of the reasons people buy consoles is for the games that are available on them...as well as the price. So the answer isnt as easy as buy a PS3 - its more like, if you dont mind not playing the exclusive games and chunking about a few hundred more dollars, then buy a PS3.

Either way, theres nothing wrong w/ a PS3. But if someones Honda breaks down, you don't tell them to go buy a Lexus.


RE: Halo fanatics suck....
By clovell on 11/29/2007 1:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
Let's add some perspective. For all we know, this guy waited until H3 came out to get a 360, and he bought the Halo Edition - but the game wouldn't work for some reason. He RMA'd the game twice, and the RMA'd the 360 and it's still not working. He's frazzled, calls MS and give him the finger - the man is out a dozen hours of his time and over $450 - and MS is done with him.

So he sues - because he has a life - which is now less >$450 and half a day. So, maybe you should STFU and think before you post.


Look at all the 360 fanboys on here...
By VIAN on 11/28/2007 11:21:07 AM , Rating: 1
I can't believe it. This guy is obviously not happy with his product.

And here you guys are, saying he's wrong!? He doesn't know what he's doing? He doesn't know what a hardship is?! Go cry about owning a 360 to someone else, you anti-consumerists.

It's a console! It's self-contained and self-programmable hardware. How is he unintentionally going to crash the system. And hardship, what a great way to take something out of context. Congratulations.




RE: Look at all the 360 fanboys on here...
By Moishe on 11/28/2007 12:51:36 PM , Rating: 2
Are you seriously going to consider this guy as having a real hardship? What did he lose, some gaming time? Did he lose much money (if any)? Ohh noo poor baby! This guy is basically a one year old in an adult body. What a pansy!

Your accusation of fanboyism is absurd. This guy stood up on his own and is making a fool of himself and we have the right to make fun of him... He's a greedy bastard who just wants to get rich quick. I hope something makes him grow up before he pollutes the gene pool.

Not being happy is NOT a valid reason to sue.I'm not happy with you... want me to find you and make you pay just for my own satisfaction? What ever happened to the almighty leftist god named "tolerance"? What ever happened to letting the little things go and getting on with life?

Microsoft has made provisions for broken hardware and certain cases of broken media. As far as I'm concerned they've "paid" for their mistakes by shelling out millions of dollars for the extra warranty. That free service ought to be good for anyone, especially this whiny imbecile.


By Christopher1 on 11/28/2007 2:14:09 PM , Rating: 1
$60 dollars is a lot of money today. Add that to the costs of XBox Live Gold...... and you realize where the amounts are coming from.

He is also doing this as a class action lawsuit, saying that many other people are having the same problem.


By clovell on 11/28/2007 2:43:08 PM , Rating: 2
Cut it out, Moishe - we don't know the particulars of the case. The guy may have lost a lot of time doing everything he could via normal channels to get the situation resolved. You don't know.


Scratched Disk?
By monitorjbl on 11/28/2007 10:31:22 AM , Rating: 2
The source article says that the game causes the XBox to consistently "crash, freeze, or lock up while the game is being played." I heard that the limited edition cases were scratching the game discs, I wonder if that's what's wrong with his.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9010




RE: Scratched Disk?
By putergeek00 on 11/28/2007 12:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
Even if that was the issue, Microsoft already issued a recall on the limited edition, so his lawsuit would be out the window.


Get Real
By clovell on 11/28/2007 11:45:57 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I know a guy who's had his Xbox 360 replaced and his disc replaced 3 times and H3 still doesn't work for him. He can get through the first level, and then things lock up for him.

I'm not so sure about class action status, although, like I said, I know people who have had similar problems. In all liklihood this isn't some guy who's out for blood - this is a guy who's been dealing with Microsoft for months on this and has gotten nowhere. Let's get real - any of us would be pretty pissed about that.

Microsoft should have kept their record of helping the customer when things go sour and settled this issue before it ever got to be a lawsuit. Throw some more money at the CS Dept. - not the Legal Dept.




Totally Inoperable
By Dactyl on 11/28/2007 11:17:46 AM , Rating: 2
The lawsuit goes on to add, "Many consumers have reported that the Halo 3 video game has caused their Xbox 360 to crash and remain totally inoperable after playing the Halo 3 video game.

You mean, if I run the Halo 3 disc in my XBox 360, it will brick my 360? (If I can reboot it, it's not "totally inoperable," now is it?)

I don't believe that's true, and I don't believe "many customers" have said anything like that online.

This lawsuit is a pack of lies. It looks like it was filed to embarrass MSFT, in order to extort a settlement. This suit should be laughed out of court.




people are stupid
By Randum on 11/28/2007 11:22:48 AM , Rating: 2
People just need something to whine about- call up MS , send it back. easy




Dude what?
By Locutus465 on 11/28/2007 1:27:00 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me? I've never heard of Halo 3 bricking an x-box in any way shape or form which is what I gather from statements like "many users have reported halo 3 locking up their x-box and the system never functioning again"... Perhaps "many users" still have older RROD prone x-box's? In which case these lockups are not the fault of the game at all, and the issues has already been addressed to microsoft (the final results of which have yet to be gauged).

I'm not saying Halo 3 is perfect. When my replacement x-box came in (got one red light after playing *Overlord*) I had to restart my legendary champain which was sad, but I got over it. I have seen the occational system freeze while getting levels to load, but restarting the game (thus clearing the cache) always fixes it... I just assumed this was a bug that would be addressed via a game patch. Nothing worth sueing over.

Perhaps what this really boils down to is the gamer thinks he see's easy money.




Gimme a break....
By troublesome08 on 11/28/2007 2:57:18 PM , Rating: 2
One day i bumped into my 360 hard when it was loading up a game of halo 3 and left a HUGE and deep scratch right in the center of the disk. I thought it was a right-off...but nope, still going strong, the game has never frozen or even had a disk read error...




Dude needs to get a life
By viperpa on 11/28/2007 4:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have heard of financial hardship but game hardship is a new one to add to the books. In took me only 2 days to finish COD4. Should I sue the gamemaker for hardship because the game was to short?

This dude needs to get a life. There are better things to cry over than a game you can't play.




If you made it this far...
By jtemplin on 11/28/2007 6:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
down the comments as I did, please do yourself a favor and flush everything you read out of your brain, then wipe the cache in your browser for good measure.

Its all a bunch of garbage really...basically this guy may have suffered hardship or he may not have. Maybe he is an idealogue trying to take one back for the customer from the big software giant due to him getting screwed over, or maybe he is exaggerating a minor problem for greedy selfish gain, or insert xyx myriad other possibilities here.

Yes the comments section is for opinions, but sometimes they just aren't worth reading...unless you like losing faith in your fellow men/DT posters...




And this is newsworthy?
By BSMonitor on 11/29/2007 9:42:17 AM , Rating: 2
What other 10s of thousands of lawsuits get filed every year, that are completely ridiculous.




Meet Randy Nunez
By BruceLeet on 11/29/2007 9:32:18 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft Responds. . .
By Crazyeyeskillah on 11/30/2007 11:30:56 AM , Rating: 2
By levying a lifetime LIVE account termination for anyone who takes part in the class action lawsuit. . .




my take
By inperfectdarkness on 11/28/2007 2:01:10 PM , Rating: 1
hardship? no.

but if you bought a new car, at least you have a lemon law there to protect you.

if you buy something, you expect it to work. even if it is only a pasttime, you've lost time that you wanted to spend using the equipment. time is money.

i hope this does thash the programming community. nintendo will shrug and keep going (they know what they're doing). and all of the crappy companies (the ones that made those 10,000 games for the ps1) will have to re-evaluate flooding the market with so many shitty games.

give the guy a no more than a thousand bucks & legal costs. it's chump change to microshit, but the precedent is what matters.




My blanket reply
By rushfan2006 on 11/28/2007 4:51:44 PM , Rating: 1
I have one reply for everything I've read here that I think is insane - I don't have time to make little replies to each comment in this thread...

1) I agree with the person or persons who state its ridiculous what people define as hardships today. People are so spoiled today with what we have that since most have it so good , a little disturbance or "ripple" in their fun comes along and they go ape-shit.

2) I believe this case will be thrown out of court -- but to the folks actually in support of this guys law suit. Have you guys any idea or concepts on how the legal system works and how we pay for it from our tax dollars? So you folks are saying, in essence, you support anyone with such frivilous cases as a game not working to tie up our court system, cost us in tax dollars (at lot more than the $60 of Halo 3 I can tell you that right now), etc. -- that logic is just extremely bizarre to me.

3) Lastly what bothers me about these cases , is the increasing number of people who support them and see nothing wrong with them. That's scary folks -- our society is getting more spoiled, more arrogant, and more "sissy-like" every year - trust me it will take a toll on the "American Way of Life" and the strength of the USA as a whole. It's already weakened us.




Genuine hardship
By robinthakur on 11/29/2007 6:40:05 AM , Rating: 1
I think the only genuine hardship would be that the game which he is so desperate to play is unabridled shite...

Funnily enough the few times when I've placed the halo 3 disc in my xbox360 it has crashed twice on boot up - funnily enough the first time I tried to play it!!
- with a single red light on the front and an E error to report to MS (this has never happened before or with other games). The other times I played it, I wasn't exactly wowed by the underwhelming graphics or dull gameplay, and didn't really care for it so I didn't really suffer hardship exactly because i just stuck it on a shelf and forgot about it completely when SM galaxy came out.




"Hardship"
By Homerboy on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
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