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Dell joins Apple, Sony and Gateway with a Core 2 Duo-based all-in-one design

All-in-one computers have been quite popular with Mac users since the introduction of the original iMac back in 1998. Apple continues to sell its iMac computers which now feature Core 2 Duo processor and 20” or 24” LCD screens. On the PC side of things, however, all-in-one designs haven't fared so well.

That hasn't stopped companies such as Sony with its VAIO LT and Gateway with its "One" from trying to test the waters Intel Core 2 Duo based machines -- with 22" and 19" LCD displays respectively.

Dell too is looking to throw its support behind all-in-one PC designs with the XPS ONE. The machine features a 20" WSXGA display and Intel Core 2 Duo power -- base machines come with an E4500 processor while higher-end units get the E6550.

Standard features across the board include 2GB of DDR2 memory, a slot-loading 16X dual-layer DVD burner, hybrid analog/digital TV tuner with remote, 8-in-1 media reader and Windows Vista Premium. Base systems come with integrated Intel graphics and a 250GB hard drive, while the range-topping machine features an ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro and a 500GB hard drive.

Those interested in the XPS ONE can purchase a system direct from Dell's website today, but systems aren't expected to ship until November 27. Dell provides four XPS ONEs to suit your needs: The Essential One, The Music One, The Performance One and The Entertainment One. Pricing for the machines begin at $1,499, $1,748, $1,999 and $2,399 respectively.



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Maybe better than the iMac
By dcalfine on 11/16/2007 11:13:23 AM , Rating: 1
2GB is more than an iMac comes with
Yet the price of the XPS ONE is greater than the iMac (and comparable to the Gateway)
I think this can make a dent in iMac sales, but maybe not truly compete




RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By ElFenix on 11/16/2007 11:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
assuming you need the adobe suite that it comes with, it'd be cheaper than a similar imac, though with lesser hardware.

i've tried to config an imac as close as possible, including wireless keyboard and mouse (though you can get them cheaper elsewhere)
imac:
2.4 ghz c2d
radeon 2600 pro
3 year warranty
iwork
no adobe essentials
$1947

dell:
2.33 ghz c2d
radeon 2400 pro
analog/digital tuner
2 year warranty
ms office home+student
adobe essentials suite
$1999


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By ElFenix on 11/16/2007 11:29:59 AM , Rating: 3
edit: dell is $2100 with 3 year warranty


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By mcnabney on 11/16/2007 11:53:43 AM , Rating: 5
Another way to look at this is that it is a $800 computer and a $200 monitor with a $1000 bundling fee.


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By darkpaw on 11/16/2007 1:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
That pretty much sums it up.


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By Hare on 11/16/2007 3:04:44 PM , Rating: 2
And without upgrade possibilities :)

... But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Some people want to spend a bit extra to get a stylish and compact computer. That's one reason why the iMac has been succesfull. Not all people are engineers who constantly tweak their ugly server towers and don't care how noisy/ugly it is.

I think that's a pretty nice looking computer. I'm getting a bit tired of the brushed aluminum look. This sort of reminds me of Samsung's LCD TVs.


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By jtemplin on 11/16/2007 3:39:26 PM , Rating: 2
I second that notion lol


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By MonkeyPaw on 11/18/2007 10:01:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Another way to look at this is that it is a $800 computer and a $200 monitor with a $1000 bundling fee.


Yeah, and to think OEMs wonder why these types of products don't sell. I think all-in-ones are really a good idea and suitable for many people, but the pricing is just so ridiculous that there's no hope of success. Most people who spend $2000 on a PC are either getting a really nice laptop or a very powerful desktop.


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By Quiescent on 11/18/2007 6:35:44 PM , Rating: 2
You must take into the account that the smaller you go, the pricier you get. This computer would only be great for simple usage such as browsing and what not. I see overheating issues and onboard graphics/sound being an issue here for these all-in-one PCs. I see this as just an LCD screen with laptop parts inside.

Unless they make this LCD screen resistant to heat, I think that it might not have such a long lifetime. I know that when teachers at my school stack laptops on top of each other while they're on, the laptop on the bottom will no longer have a working screen due to overheating issues.


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By dcalfine on 11/16/2007 11:56:36 AM , Rating: 2
I think adobe essentials is in response to iLife, which is an excellent suite of tools


RE: Maybe better than the iMac
By nitrous9200 on 11/16/2007 3:42:54 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention the Dell comes with a desktop processor and the iMac comes with a mobile processor. I'd assume the desktop variants would be faster.


Pricing is ridiculous
By Suomynona on 11/16/2007 12:00:22 PM , Rating: 3
I know these are supposed to be some sort of style over substance thing, but what's up with the pricing? $1500 for the most basic version? That's ludicrous, and doubly so being a Dell. I think Dell makes some pretty decent hardware (I have a Dell LCD monitor that's great), but they're not quite at the point where they can charge a premium based on design only.

The market being as small as it is for all-in-one computers, I think they would have been much better served coming up with something along the lines of the Mac Mini. A nice small form-factor computer with a reasonable price would be a better entry into the market for Dell. I think it would get a lot more interest and fit in a lot better with what the typical Dell customer is looking for.




RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By sj420 on 11/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By TomZ on 11/16/2007 12:24:27 PM , Rating: 5
Hogwash, Dell LCD monitors are consistently rated by expert reviewers and consumers alike as some of the best in the industry.


RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By AlphaVirus on 11/16/2007 12:32:29 PM , Rating: 2
I can agree with this. Dell is by far at the top of the rankings for their LCD monitors. I own one and its been much better than the rest I bought at same price.


RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By Bloodlust on 11/16/2007 2:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
I concur. I've owned 3 Dell LCD monitors, in addition to dozens that were part of custom systems I built for friends/family, ranging from 19"-30". I've never had a problem and consider them to be amonst the best.


RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By Hare on 11/16/2007 3:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
To be accurate. Dell uses some of the best panels in the industry. The covers are different but the display panel itself is the same used by Apple and many others (at least in their high end models) and has nothing to do with Dell itself.

But yeah. The pricier Dell monitors are quite nice.


RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By Souka on 11/18/2007 2:20:44 AM , Rating: 2
Try using an apple Cinema display, especially when dealing with color matching task for print jobs. . . Color control is much better than Dell setups, and stay in calibration much longer than any other maker.

But for games, movies...sure, the blaring colors of the Dell LCD do look nice...abeit, not as they were originally recorded... :)

My $.02


RE: Pricing is ridiculous
By MrTeal on 11/16/2007 12:27:05 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Actually I don't think a monitor is considered "hardware" Its just a monitor.


I think most people would disagree with you.


XPS?
By MADAOO7 on 11/16/2007 2:32:02 PM , Rating: 3
Why is this designated an XPS computer? XPS was supposed to be Dell's gaming performance brand. How is a ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro as your nicest gpu going to be a gaming rig? This should really be a Dimension One or something along those lines.... This kind of reminds me of the Acura RSX, a 20k Civic Si hatchback in a luxury brand......total product misplacement.




RE: XPS?
By darkpaw on 11/16/2007 5:37:09 PM , Rating: 2
Dell has been using XPS for anything in their high end for a while now, not just gaming systems.

Xtremely Over Priced.

The XPS M2010 was already pretty muchan all-in-one that could be folded up.


RE: XPS?
By awer26 on 11/17/2007 11:02:22 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Xtremely Over Priced.


I think you mean Xtremely-over Priced System, otherwise, it's just an XOP ;)


No offense to anyone
By sj420 on 11/16/2007 12:07:20 PM , Rating: 1
But I see an all-in-one as something that someone would get that either

1. Desperately needed the space on their desk, which you can always get a REALLY nice desk for $2k with plenty of room.

2. Don't care about the fact that you can't touch or see any of the components that make your computer function, you can't try repairs, upgrades, or anything. Can't even look at it. basically in my opinion this is for the VERY basic user, a user that doesn't even want to see the computer components because they don't "like how they look" or "don't know what they do" or "they look too complicated" etc.

3. Or finally, don't care that its from apple, that its a mac, don't care about overheating issues, or anything concerning the computer hardware world. They just want to get on their mac and sit at the whatever you call it and do nothing. Blue screen and hard reboot, whatever you do on an overheating no tower mac.

To me it looks like another one of those things someone should buy just to smash with a sledgehammer for video for one of those bash websites.




RE: No offense to anyone
By rudy on 11/16/2007 2:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
2 is probably most customers of any major OEM.

When they want to fix it they take it to where they bought it.


Another branch of the market
By djc208 on 11/16/2007 12:25:26 PM , Rating: 2
I like the form factor, it would be perfect for certain situations, though I agree the price needs to come down a little, it's not worth the premium just for the design.

However I think these guys need to look into another facet of this. How about a similar setup in a more tranditional HDTV? A 19, 27, & 32" LCD with similar hardware options would be great. The lower resolution TV LCDs would keep the costs down but I could see this being great for bedrooms, kitchens, dens. You could watch TV, play movies, perform PVR functions, look up weather, photos, music or be a media extender for Windows or Sage setups. With a wireless keyboard and mouse it would let you do everything a normal computer does, a few extra inputs will let you hook up game systems or similar.

You'd just need to make sure it could be wall mounted. I could see one of these hanging on my bedroom wall running a Sage client, toss in a wireless adaptor and I wouldn't even need the tuner card, cable, or ethernet connection, just a power wire coming out of the unit.




Why all in one works for Apple.
By CU on 11/16/2007 12:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
It works for Apple because in the iMac price and performance range there is no other Mac. So you have no choice like most things Apple. For PC's there are all kinds of price, performance and form factors to choose from.




sweet
By WileCoyote on 11/16/2007 4:11:44 PM , Rating: 2
It's about time Dell came out with this. Most of my customers will only buy Dell and then complain about all the cables. And Dell even included 802.11 g/n and bluetooth. I would never buy this for myself but it will definitely make my customers happy.




Cool.
By iFX on 11/16/2007 4:34:13 PM , Rating: 2
I would love to replace my wife's PC with one of these. She hates the loud, bulkty tower she has at the moment.




All-in-one definition?
By johnbuk on 11/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: All-in-one definition?
By GoodBytes on 11/16/2007 11:16:18 AM , Rating: 2
They mean that the computer it self is included within the screen, same for the speakers and webcam.

This setup, prevent you from doing system upgrades, but you save a lot of space, and you have a clean desk, with little wires.

So now the only cables you will see, is the power cable of the system. As your Ethernet connection won't be needed as you can use the wireless, and you can have a wireless keyboard and mouse.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 11/16/2007 11:16:22 AM , Rating: 2
Err, all of the components (processor, HDD, video, memory, optical drive, etc.) are build into the monitor housing...

Meaning there is no standalone tower.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By ElFenix on 11/16/2007 11:16:31 AM , Rating: 2
the PC is built into the same housing as the monitor. like an imac.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By munim on 11/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: All-in-one definition?
By 16nm on 11/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: All-in-one definition?
By spluurfg on 11/16/2007 11:34:46 AM , Rating: 2
I guess it's testament to Dell's design (..or the photographer) that he wasn't able to tell that the entire PC was built into the monitor housing.

It'd be great if they could sell an ultra small pedestal style desktop pc with a matching monitor that would sit on top or slot in. Then you could replace the pc every once in a while and keep that nice monitor, then unify power/vga. But I suppose that just means that all-in-ones are just not for me.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By ElFenix on 11/16/2007 11:44:06 AM , Rating: 2
some of dell's corporate designs have been like that in the past. the monitor stand had a shelf built in for the small computer to lock into. not sure if they still make it (which is the big problem with that plan, if the OEM decides to start a whole new industrial design you have to buy all new stuff anyway).


RE: All-in-one definition?
By mcnabney on 11/16/2007 11:51:30 AM , Rating: 2
Why would they do that? They would prefer to sell you another monitor at upgrade time.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By Martin Blank on 11/16/2007 2:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
Corporate systems are upgraded, often as a whole, every 3-5 years. There is no upgrading for most corporate systems, except for maybe a larger hard drive.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By MGSsancho on 11/16/2007 11:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
HP and sun does that as well. Thin clients. most flat screen monitors have mounts on the back for a bracket or wall mount. thin client attach on that. really nifty

advantage is you can use what ever monitor you want for what ever thinclient. most thinclients are passively cooled anyways, just add on an intustrial touchscreen, great for a shop or a warehouse (ive done this before)


RE: All-in-one definition?
By johnbuk on 11/16/2007 12:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the answers. Not sure why I was rated poorly for asking what I thought was a legitimate question. Anyway, I guess I can see a niche market for this kind of thing, but it's not for me. For space reasons I like the all-in-one concept but not the cost as my PCs always start out as barebones and I cannibalize whatever I can from my older system.


RE: All-in-one definition?
By spluurfg on 11/16/2007 10:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
IE the thin clients mount on a VESA style wallmount? That is very nifty -- I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the info.


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